Fred Hiatt plays the role of penitent by proxy this morning, suddenly coming to Jesus in a revelation that Rove was a divisive source of bile within the Beltway with no real talent for the real work of governing — all front end flash and no strong finish. Color me shocked.
…Mr. Rove was very good at gathering, analyzing and exploiting information about the electorate. He cared about what actual voters actually thought — yes, including their “anger points.”…
But when polling data showed Mr. Rove that there was more to be gained, politically, by intensifying support among the conservative Republican base, Mr. Bush abandoned persuading the middle and focused on motivating the right. Thus were born a host of policies — on Social Security, Guantanamo, stem cell research, same-sex marriage and so on — that deepened the country’s polarization and helped alienate even old friends around the globe. The quality of American political discourse was not enhanced by the (successful) Republican attack on disabled Vietnam veteran Max Cleland, a Democratic senator from Georgia, as soft on defense. And, over the long term, Mr. Bush’s short-term exploitation of Rove-identified anger points left the president with less political capital than he might have had otherwise — capital he badly needed when the major initiative of his presidency, the war in Iraq, turned sour. On immigration, Mr. Bush pursued a moderate course, based in part on Mr. Rove’s perception that the Republicans could not afford to alienate the fast-growing Hispanic demographic. But, by then, the president had lost control even of his own party’s Senate caucus.
But, alas, Mr. Hiatt misses the important phase of penitence: admission of his own sins and a genuine desire to correct past errors and make amends. The man and his op-ed page at the WaPo make Harriet Miers’ cheerleading of the Bush Administration look positively skeptical. Is there an issue mentioned in the above excerpt for which Hiatt did not pick up the pompons? Does Hiatt take any responsibility for his own pimping of the Rovian tropes? Nope. Let’s take a stroll through a small excerpt of Fred’s pantheon, shall we?
– Leaking selective portions of the NIE for manipulative political purposes is good for America.
– Consistently supporting the plan of a hack.
– A great round-up of the myriad “Gee, your war smells terrific!” rah rahs, with bonus Alito propaganda. This one comes with blood pressure warnings. (H/T Armando at DKos.) And I think Jane really catches the essence of Hiatt with this one, as does Glenn here.
– What is this thing you call diplomacy?
– Scooter Libby, the last honest man in the Beltway. (And never mind the judge and jury.)
– Domestic spying without a warrant is a-okay, and anyone who says otherwise is unpatriotic.
– If the President says it’s okay, then you shouldn’t ask any questions.
– I don’t oversee our website, but I think we ought to hire a plagiarizing neonut to write for it because that would be swell.
And it keeps going, on and on and on. I meant it — I could keep posting links for days. Is there a GOP meme that Hiatt has ever met that he won’t use? Doubtful. And the fobbing off of all this ugliness on Rove with nary a mention of his role as chief pusher of the partisan hackery dimebags to the masses? Not passing without mention here, I can tell you that.
Here’s a thought, Freddy boy: next time you see a corrosive, vindictive, nasty, partisan hack directing political traffic — how about calling them out for their craptastic behavior while they are still in power, instead of waiting until they’ve already slunk out of town as a failure and already done their damage to the rest of the nation.
I suppose penitence on the back end ought to be welcome. But shouldn’t there actually be some actual self-examination and a commitment to be more cynical and honest about your own motivations — both privately and publicly — going forward? Jay Rosen may be correct — that this desire to appear savvy takes precedence over every other consideration including honesty, but that is an enormously egotistical way to run the Fourth Estate, isn’t it? Of course, with such a diligent accountability hound as Deborah Howell on the case for the public’s interest, I’m sure we’ll be seeing some real backpeddling and accountability from the WaPo editorial page any damn minute.
*big fat Novak and Norquist sized crickets*
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Christy!!!
Christy!
dos…
Awesome smackdown, Christy! Don’t mess with Redd! (Single digits.)
FFFH can F.O.
Shorter Hiatt:
“Mistakes were made.”
Excellent post Christy.
At least we still have Robinson and Froomkin.
Fred Hiatt subscribes to a certain ideology of American (pace Beltway) journalism. Jay Rosen says it best:
It’s amazing how brave these tiny-brained people have become now that big, bad Rove is going to be out of power. I notice that TRex’s good friend, Michelle, is going after Rove, too. They applauded when he was in the WH and now they continue to eat their young. Go for it.
Call Rove a Rove…
I’m amazed at how many reporters are not being forthright/candid about this dastardly fella.
Biodun @ 9
But .. what will we tell the children?
Of course any penitence that might have been evident in today’s editorial is totally offset by the Novakula and Norquist reach-arounds.
Eugene Robinson, OTOH, gets it correct.
They are slowly stepping away from the flaming turd that is the Bush presidency.
Let’s put it this way, if the bubble is not secure enough to keep Poppy Bush from realizing that his son is the political equivalent of General Custer, the media surely knows this by now.
They are all stepping back slowly and will begin to identify the new apostates and traitors who “snookered us all”.
Except there were some of us who were never snookered and who were telling everyone to open their eyes because their was a serial snookering in progress.
We are now going to be treated to the tales of woe, weeping grown men and the like, who wished that things had turned out differently, if only they had known.
-GSD
Christy! Brava!!!!!!! It’s so much better when we can identify the specific pro-GOP editorials and Op-eds instead of just ranting about our perceptions. It will take arms and legs to do that on a regular basis, but maybe FDL could be a catalyst? I’d contribute money and maybe a little time.
It’s called cowardice, pure and simple.
Oh, Christy, you’ve made my day. Thank you.
Clearly the coffee was appropriately snark-enhanced this morning.
The essence of FFFH…eeewwwwww! The hypocrisy of FFFH….now that’s something to which I can subscribe!
To GSD @ 14: Amen times 1000!
Another brilliant post!
MSNBC is reporting that Rove’s first planned activity post-retirement is…wait for it…dove hunting.
Metaphor, much?
I woke up to disturbing news the other day from NPR. Lieberman is in India pushing a nuke deal. From Reuters, Congress seen backing Iran Nuke deal:
He seems confident. So my question is, who commissioned LIeberman to go to India? Does he somehow have more juice than Nancy Pelosi who was criticized for the Syria trip?
OC Democrat @ 21
How telling that the first thing he wants to do is kill something !
OC Democrat @ 21
The quail are too small and too fast, besides, Darth still has a few dozen left from the last canned hunt.
I also think this speaks to the sense that Rove is in trouble, and taking a semi-back seat to political activism for a while. If he was going to start on the Thompson campaign on Sept 1, or continue to be a key operative in the Rethug political frame, they might be more circumspect. Also, without Rove, the underlings are bound to make mistakes and to become fearful of making more mistakes. In short, I think this really may be a critical juncture which is why Rove was so choked up yesterday.
When’s the last time the Chairman of the Homeland Security Committee made a trip to NOLA?
Excellent post Christy!
Sending serious vibes of gratitude. I remember when that type of dishonesty went unchallenged and I would go hoarse yelling at the tv/computer.
You’re changing the world (and keeping me somewhat sane), and I sure do appreciate your hard work.
So We’ll Go No More A-Roving
From the pen of George Gordon, Lord Byron:
dakine01 @ 13
yes….and if there is anyone out there besides me who still subscribes to the “dead tree” edition, what was particularly interesting…..and revolting…..was the placement of Norquist’s blathering idiocy in the very center of the op-ed page…..the piece de resistance, if you will, in the smorgasbord of “karl, we hardly knew ye’s.” No doubt the Fredster considered that a “fair and balanced” presentation. Bleeagh.
mui @ 22
This is neo-con (AIPEC) stuff. It is his way of continuing the attack of Islam (Pakistan)- and of course it benefits the armament companies. The DLC is probably supporting him on this.
Good MorningGood Afternoon,Thanks Christy
ps is that the right link for Norquist crickets?
Rove is the nastiest piece of work to come down the pike since Lee Atwater. I feel for the Lone Star State having to put up with the stink of this rogue. If course we have Inhofe, Coburn and others. One thing about Karl though, he’s a self made monster. His boss came by his evilness naturally. And Babs, nurtured his ugliness to perfection.
I wonder what was in those hot dogs and hamburgers at Poppy’s house?? I think he told W to fire him pronto, and I think W listened.
The press is perhaps breathing a sigh of relief..who knows by which method Rove had them cowering all these years…
Now, onto Gonzo and Cheney.
A slightly OT observation from the Writers Almanc –
In his journals, Emerson wrote:
“The God of Victory is said to be one handed, but Peace gives victory to both sides.”
======
A message to all of our elected Representatives and members of the 4th Estate:
End. This. War.
Walker, who heads the Congressional, nonpartisan Government Accountability Office has offered dire forecasts for the United States in the past. In interviews with 60 Minutes and NPR, he’s said that he believes the US cannot continue to live at such levels of prosperity indefinitely, since much of current prosperity is erected upon debt.
“Throughout history, many great nations have also failed to survive,” Walker told an audience in Chicago last week. “I should point out that the longest standing republic and the major superpower of its day no longer exists, and that’s the Roman Republic.”
He warned of “striking similarities” between the current crises facing America and the factors toppled Rome, including “declining moral values and political civility at home, an over-confident and over-extended military in foreign lands and fiscal irresponsibility by the central government.”
“In my view,” he added, “it’s time to learn from history and take steps to ensure the American Republic is the first to stand the test of time.”
America’s top government inspector didn’t stop there. He also bemoaned US fiscal policy, underfunded healthcare, poor public schools, lack of retirement benefits, a worsening environment, Iraq, aging infrastructure and immigration policy. His remark about “aging infrastructure” came just days before the Minneapolis bridge collapse.
“Simply stated, America is on a path toward an explosion of debt,” he added. “And that indebtedness threatens our country’s, our children’s, and our grandchildren’s futures.”
“Long range simulations from my agency are chilling,” he continued. “If we continue as we have, policy makers will eventually have to dramatically and/or slash government services the American people depend on and take for granted. Just pick a program — student loans, the interstate highway system, national parks, federal law enforcement, and even our armed forces.”
(Raw Story)
Better late than never.
Roves shtick; his “success”, was in knowing how to appeal to ignorance, testosterone-excess, jingoism, and just the worst that’s in americans.
Which is why I get so pissed, when some progressives speak of him as if were some kind of obscene cross between Machiavelli and Einstein.
He isn’t. He’s living proof of the old saying that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the american people.
Fortunately, they, too, can gag on koolaid. It just took them a while to figure that out.
Interesting observation re: media spin:
Elliott — oops — here’s the Norquist link. Will fix it in the post…no idea what happened there…
Richmond @ 30
I wonder that he doesn’t mention India’s other neighbors in the region besides iran. India/China have been on bad terms from time to time. I am sure we can run down a list of other countries as well, about how this is adding fuel to the fire. Yet Lieberman will present this as an “Iran” thing in typical myopic neocon manner.
Biodun @ 9
Oh no, Fred has it right. Male pimping doesn’t count. According to St. Peeder only women need be penitent. After all habits look a lot like burqas
Prairie Sunshine @ 26
Good question. I guess that’s Clyburn and Nancy Pelosi’s job. (In the world according to Neocon Homeland Security.)
As much, or more may be at stake in the coming elections as was the case in the Lincoln election. The GOP is going to pull out all the stops. Which means fund raising. We have to out do them.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 37
thanks!
Grover Norquist needs to go the way of his good friend Jack Abramoff. His prediction of Rove’s dream becoming an enduring success, has me chewing glass.
All one needs to do is lokk up the definition of “whore” and one then knows exactly what the hiatts and the novaks and the rest of them are. They are simply looking for their financial asses and they are willing to take any side of any position. Just watch the whores at work on the msm. Then you will know.
The tragedy is that less folks out there have the time to do the searching for the real news! Thus the door is openned for the whores to pedal their corrupt wares.
LS @ 44
Grover seems ready for the men in the white coats to me. He gets sillier all the time.
-ck- @ 34
Oh, no we can’t end this war, it will create
such a mess… Fucking McCain, is he a low-talker, said this today.
Speak up McCain you idiot! It’s a sunk cost…
We would still be in Nam with your attitude.
We have lost the war….
Move on
mui @ 22
I have read that GE Energy will be a big winner from the India nuke deal. Is Joe in their pocket?
Steve-AR @ 49
And what television station does GE own? Hmmm.
Behind NYT firewall; oped by David Frum, …and “Rove rarely practiced wedge politics, but he did cleave his own party.”
Doucebaggery at its finest trying to clean-up after the Rovester. Frum is the cleaning service for the fetid Rove/Rethuglican brothel.
I love how Hiatt calls Iraq “the major initiative of his presidency”. The pseudo-technocratic euphemisms and middle-management cliches(”capital”, “initiative”) they slather on their barbarities is nauseating.
Frum rhymes with scum.
-GSD
petwrecker @ 51
Wet work for W.
LS @ 44
Norquist is getting ever closer to the bathtub himself, imo
Hi Pups, Ya know, I’m still holding some hope for, wait for it…Geraldo Rivera!
Willowbrook
OT – RIP Phil Rizzuto
From Ron Suskind in 2003:
The entry on Rove from my scandals list. Probably need to include something in there about the Rovian appeal to fear.
Typical Bush family/Norquist crap:
H.D.S. GREENWAY’S “The Old Lion of Maine” (Op-ed, Aug. 7) is a distressingly one-sided assessment of George Herbert Walker Bush. Beyond Greenway’s list of things that our 41st president happily did not do, let me add another. For all the years during which Bush’s sole residence was his Kennebunkport estate, he listed it as a mere summer residence, thereby vastly reducing the taxes he should rightly have paid to the state of Maine. His alleged main residence in Texas was a Houston hotel room, not a condo, much less a house. Only after Bush left the White House and had a mansion built for him in Houston did he list Texas as his principal residence.
One can safely bet that the morally superior former president would have condemned any waiter or waitress who did not list all of his or her tips.
from the Boston Globe
September approaches. Congress is out of town. The White House has near total control of the news cycle. We’re already seeing the escalation of lies about how great the surge is doin. If someone doesn’t counteract this flood of bullshit, by the time congress ends it’s recess, this fucker will be all over and we will be nicely funded for another year of war.
There is already a 10% increase in the number of americans who think that the surge is working….
Who is paying any attention to this? Not congress apparently.
Righteous post Christy!
It’s gonna be fun watching these fools do the big CYA. I think this quick jumping of the Rovian ship might mean that he’s been discredited, rather than that he’s moving over to help out Rethug candidates.
Possible good news?
Steve-AR @ 49
It’s possible. Open secrets.General Electric.
Giuliani, 1995 Address to U.N.:
“and also on the issue of immigration.
Some people are frightened of differences. They do not understand how differences can challenge and energize society.
Our nation owes its existence to the hard work, determination and vision of immigrants…and in the end I am confident that support for immigration will prevail over this latest advent of suspicion.
Involvement in the world, and openness to new peoples, cultures, and ideas ensure a growing and dynamic society.
Let’s join together in our common objective to promote progress and growth.
You can’t be a New Yorker — you can’t be part of this city — and deny the contributions of immigrants.
New York City was built by immigrants…and it will remain the greatest city in the world so long as we continue to renew ourselves with and benefit from the energizing spirit from new people coming here to create a better future for themselves and their families.”
Asking Rove or expecting Rove to be penitent is like going to the post office to buy a quart of milk and being disappointed because they don’t have it.
What’s left – punishment. We have to bring it to the guy. Does that mean doing time? Well, there’s more than one way to accomplish that – say, village justice. Someone out there has a long memory and hasn’t forgotten what Karl has done to them. And so the world turns….
This whole administration is a la Bernardo Bertolucci’s Novecento (1900).
Open Secrets Profile on GE:
Richmond @ 50
NBC. But what’s the connection? (Not able to connect dots today.)
Not just funny, but really funny.
And an excellent sampling of Fred!
LS @ 63:
Giuliani in August 2007:
EPU’d from last thread:
Biodun @ 60
Elliott @ 54
thank you….I was trying to think of a way to bring in the bathtub without getting in trouble with the mods. :)
Oh just great. This is way off topic but was posted by the Mpls. StarTribune this morning:
“The federal highway official responsible for the rebuilding of the collapsed Interstate 35W bridge was dismissed in 2002 as chief executive of the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority after his leadership of Boston’s controversial “Big Dig” tunnel project came under fire.”
http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1360930.html
QuakerGirl — I don’t expect any penitence from Rove at all. What I’d like, though, is some honesty from Hiatt about his lack thereof instead of him trying to hide behind this faux mockeray of all things Rove while he still clings to the rock of wingnut talking points salvation.
Tom Delay thinks that what he thinks still means something: Delay on Rove
mui @ 67
NBC (read GE) has a major financial interest in promoting the Surge (more armaments), and its supporters in the DLC-Lieberman-AIPEC branch of the Democratic party, just as they have supported the Rethugs on the war to date. This clearly impacts on how they frame the “news” and how they select and question talk-show people Sunday morning, etc. etc. In short this is the critical center point of the military-industrial complex. The control of the media through NBC (and others) makes them part of the pro forma 4th branch of government, doing the bidding of those who support them, and filling their pockets at the same time.
You have to understand that the people who make up the Washington Press Corp — with single digit exceptions — have a predilection to wanting to be savvy, wanting to be on the inside and if that means drinking the Kool Aid while your peers watch — so be it. Personally, I believe it is the blogs who have prevented the entire nation from nodding at what they read in the papers and watch tv news as Divine Revelation. The blogs do something the MSM hates: it embarasses them. The blogs are the children who point and giggle that the Emperor-MSM has no clothes to cover their ignorance.
David Horsey cartoon on Rove/Bush – Very FUNNY!!!!
mui @ 67
NBC-Nuclear Biological Chemical-covering all your WMD needs in one full-service company
I’d love to know what power wingnut advertisers have on the editorial policies of our nation’s newspapers.
Many newspapers depend on auto and real estate advertising for much of their revenue..the boards of realty are wing nuts at their finest. Auto dealers are probably not progressive bastions either.
I have watched the LA Times slither into the sewer- afraid to open it’s mouth on national politics as it fights to hold Orange County advertisers…
Watch the money.
LS @ 64
This is a good quote. I also remember Giuliani once responding to someone a few years back — a British diplomat, I think — who had complained how New York is full of, I paraphrase, short ugly Puerto Ricans. Giuliani had a fine and moving response to the effect that New Yorkers were not the kind of people to let such hate-filled talk divide them.
Giuliani is such a dangerous candidate because he is an impassioned yet calm and articulate speaker, and a very good politician in the way he can give the impression of sincerely believing in diametrically opposed positions (as yours and other comments demonstrate). He is also gifted at the more-in-sorrow-than-anger pose, such as in his 2004 RNC speech.
The vindictiveness, the cruelty and the corruption aren’t what America will see unless Democratic campaigns make them see it, and I don’t have a lot of faith in Democratic campaigns.
QuakerGirl @ 65:
That’s one of my favorite films: Bob De Nero, Burt Lancaster, Dominique Sanda…
rwcole @ 61
We need to be pushing back on this as much as possible. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid instead of hiding out after their FISA scam should be grabbing mikes and speaking out on this selling of the surge. Where are the Democrats? Waiting to get rolled again.
Glenn Greenwald has a piece up today.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html
It’s about Democratic foreign policy wonks defending their own (i.e. Will Marshall of the DLC) who got Iraq so wrong. This relates to an exchange at Atrios yesterday.
http://atrios.blogspot.com/200…..2435738364
Most of the creepy hypocrisy embodied by Marshall can be found here:
As Greenwald points out, politicians like to cite the “experts” in defending their views. The problem for the Democrats is that a lot of their experts are cheerleaders of the war. This is great if you are Hillary Clinton. Indeed the above quote could have been written for her.
If we do not counter the current propaganda campaign now, September could see perfunctory hemming and hawing and then a continuation of the Iraq surge disaster.
SeamusD @ 77
Nice, short, and to the point!
Bravo Christy!
Just love it when you pick up that mop & clean house. heh.
But please be careful in the corners. Don’t the pugs have “going forward” copyrighted?
From Broder:
And one has to question how seriously to take any of these comments from the Democratic hopefuls. As Bush reminded reporters, NAFTA was negotiated by his father, the first President Bush, but was pushed through a Democratic Congress in 1993 by President Bill Clinton. “NAFTA has made a difference in our hemisphere — a positive difference. … NAFTA has worked,” the president said. “What are they suggesting we fix?”
http://newsok.com/article/3104036/
Richmond @ 82
Ah sweet.
Ben Sargent on Rove/Bush!!!!
Hence, Meet the Press!
brendan @ 79:
Hillary’s campaign has robust oppositional research material on Giuliani that they’ll use if and when necessary.
RWCole: reality is counteracting the flood of bullshit.
The insurgents dropped another Baghdad bridge today, and our troop losses are about the same as the previous months, which were the four worst since bush pulled the trigger.
The Iraqi power grid is on the verge of collapse.
The Shiite militias are taking over Basra, as we speak, and the Brits have one foot on the highway to Kuwait.
Maliki’s “summit” round-pound is full of crap and sweet platitudes, as the factions smile at each other and oil their AK’s.
The Iraqi government has been buying arms from the Mafia, unbeknownst to the bush administration; almost certainly, using OUR money to do it. 3 guesses as to who winds up with the Russian assault rifles…
http://search.myway.com/search…..hfor=Iraqi government buying arms from the Mafia
And, 11 minutes ago the YahooNewsPage posted that “dozens of uniformed gunmen stormed into Oil Ministry compound in Baghdad, and captured the Iraqi Oil Minister and three other people.”
Just think, firehounds; if your posts are a few paragraphs long, you have a decent chance of putting up real-time accounts of how well the surge IS doing.
AZ Matt @ 76
Awesome – also, Tom DeLay? WTF? (Jail)birds of a feather…
Biodun @ 88
I hope so. I also think the media won’t be as adverse to “spreading memes” about Giuliani as much as they would with other Democratic candidates. Witness this rapprochement with Murdoch.
Stewart Challenges Kristol, Says O’Hanlon And Pollack ‘Are Very Hawkish Guys’
On the Daily Show last night, host Jon Stewart challenged Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol’s claim that Brookings’ analysts Michael O’Hanlon and Ken Pollack are “skeptics of the war.”
Stewart pressed Kristol on why actual skeptics of the war should trust war hawks such as him “to undo the terrible thing” they created by pushing for the invasion of Iraq and making failed predictions at every turn. “Don’t trust me,” responded Kristol. “Trust skeptics of the war like Mike O’Hanlon and Ken Pollack.”
“They weren’t really skeptics,” Stewart said. “Ken Pollack would like us to invade Iran, for God’s sake…those are very hawkish guys.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..ournalism/
Biodun@88: What’s she going to accuse Rudy of?
Supporting the war, and being tight with Joe Lieberman?
tanbark
Yeah- the facts on the ground counter the spin- but this month- the spin wins.
Continuing with the selling of the surge, this is something I remarked on last night.
John Burns has this bit of fellatio up at the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08…..us.html?hp
Burns makes his usual half-hearted gestures at balance but the real object here is to show how terribly fair and thoughtful Petraeus is.
and
Yeah, right. This tripe might have been more believable I suppose if Burns had not begun his article with the image of Petraeus flying over the amusement parks and soccer fields showing how things have improved (been there done that) or if Petraeus didn’t hang out so much with the likes of Hugh Hewitt and Fox News. John Burns acts like he is one of the last people on the planet who doesn’t know what Petraeus is going to say in September: difficult situation, some progress, need to stay longer, bad things will happen if we leave, etc. Of course Burns does know all this but then he works for the pro-war New York Times.
Hmmm. Bob Novak’s comment a little while ago about being frozen out of the White House leak-loop makes much more sense now. It’s not that Rove stopped talking; it’s that Rove got tossed overboard. Novak seems to be somewhere between sad and pissy. (Poor thing, and I do mean THING.) I still think another shoe is about to drop, and I don’t think it’s going to be Hatch Act violations. The fact that Karl blurred the line between politics and policy isn’t really a bombshell. Yes, it’s illegal, but John Q Public isn’t going to give a shit about it. Whatever’s coming is going to be big. I can only come up with three things: Sex scandal, bribery scandal, and indictment. Everyone understands sex and bribes. As for an indictment, he’s involved in so many scandals that it’s hard to predict which one could take him down.
Sheeeeut Freddy! Where ya been? Those blinders have suddenly come off now that T. Blossom has to leave his employ because…. well he probably won’t get the legal defense fund support that Scooter got.
Yeah, whew Fred it must be good to EXHALE now huh?
For god’s sake FDL, get real. What do you expect a filthy whore to say?
From Raw Story on last Sunday’s This Week on ABC: Dennis slaps down the DLC
Hiatt and Novak sound like they think Rove got thrown under the bus.
Who is left with the arm strength to do any kind of tossing besides Cheney?
Just to get all tin-foil-hat on you as a follow up thought, if Cheney wants something that Rove thinks is a political liability, it must be pretty dreadful.
Something in Iran….
For a bit of perspective,
Coalition deaths in Iraq are now at 3991- or were earlier this morning- US deaths are a few hundred behind.
This month we’ll hit the 4,000 number for coalition deaths- US deaths will hit that number in the next few months..
We lost just over four thousand lives in our own revolutionary war.
By next year, we will have lost more lives in Iraq than we won with “the shot heard round the world”.
Iraq will move up to number six in deadliest wars in our history (just counting US casualties.)
Re: Giuliani:
Hillary’s campaign can be fierce and ruthless if and when necessary. Her machine is made up of significant portions of the Big Dawg’s old War Room.
Shiteth hitteth the fan in Iraq..Tanbark’s right.
GE Affiliate Breakdowns, There should be laws against corporations like these owning nuke power and media.
Mike Luckovich on KKKARL!
rwcole @ 78
I suspect there’s another profit motive at work: the return on investment in getting Republicans elected is enormous for big businesses like the major newspapers; much more so for a defense behemoth like GE. It may have nothing or little to do with the profitability of selling the newspapers themselves. This is certainly the way it works on tv, where notorious money losers seemingly inexplicably get slots.
Also, there’s a highly personal element to this. Go read Greenwald’s piece about his interview with O’Hanlon. If you weren’t already familiar with Haim Saban, Greenwald explains how this one extremist is essentially responsibily for bankrolling the content of Brookings Insitution foreign policy “analysis” that gets peddled in print and tv. Which, of course, begs the further question of what individuals make the editorial decisions to feature a stooge and nonentity like O’Hanlon on TV.
Hugh- thanks for the links. Allowing the media to make a God out of a general is dangerous- and feeds into the Clusterfuck plan:
“I’m jest doin what the generals in the field say to do”
Generals don’t decide when to start or end wars- only how to fight em while they’re goin on. Clusterfuck takes advantage once again of american stupidity and wishful thinking.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 84
It’s working so well that they want to build a fence along our Southern border to keep all those beneficiaries of NAFTA out of the country.
Tanbark @ 93
They’ll go after everything he did in his term as NYC mayor, everthing leading up to 9/11, and even after that. The material is aplenty. For starters, go to the Village Voice website.
Marcus at 96 — Well, I pretty much expect him to say exactly what he did — it is FFFH, after all. But that doesn’t mean I can’t point at him and laugh in his face, now does it?
albert fall @ 100
There’s a simpler explanation: Rove dodged an indictment by throwing Libby under the bus. In other words, Rove may have gone into Grand Jury Appearance #5 and said, “I just remembered where I heard about Valerie Plame. Scooter Libby told me!” That’s pretty much the only thing that could have saved his ass. He’d already claimed that a reporter told him, and Fitz knew that was pure bullshit. Blaming Scooter saves Karl, and it’s believable, because we know Scooter told Ari, too. That’s why Libby’s defense opened with a “blame Rove” defense, and they backed off after Libby was promised a commutation.
Darth Cheney, however, can really hold a grudge, and he’s had it in for Karl ever since Team Libby got it’s hands on Karl’s GJ testimony.
Just my theory.
rwcole @ 100
And,that is on top of the circa 100,000 deaths in the US through gun violence since 2001, many as the result of shifting federal, state and local police efforts away from related concerns with illegal guns, drugs, and crime in favor of “terra.” This coupled with strapped communities which can’t affort to beef up police because of “No Child Left” etc. Herbert’s op ed in today’s NYT is a must read.
This is probably OT, but I usually am too late to comment on any post before comments are closed. I would like some feedback on this and will continue to submit this question:
Will someone on this blog who is knowledgeable about Senate and or House rules tell me if the majority party (Dems) can avoid being voted down by Repubs (and turncoat Democrats) by just NOT allowing legislation to come up for a vote? Does the majority control what in Texas we call the Calendar?
17 months to go in a Bush administration are a prescription for more bad legislation. For example, the wiretapping law just passed has a sunset clause coming up for renewable ???? in February 08. Why can’t the Democratic leadership just refuse to bring it up for a vote, since it is obvious we would lose when a 60 vote for continuing this abominable law is required. There is no reason to hope that Repubs and wavering Dems would back changes or repeal objectionable provisions.
Likewise other pieces of legislation: anything Bush wants to push off on us – social security, making his tax cuts permanent, etc.
Downside: of course, charges of obstructionism… other nasty PR attacks.
We need to inform the leadership that we have their backs, that we want them to stand up to the fear tactics of this administration… instead of the constant barrage I read on all these liberal blogs about their spineless caving in to Bush. Occasionally I look at the wingnuts’ blogs and comments, but I see only attacks on Democrats, not on their own.
Someone who knows the rules of introducing legislation in Congress, please reply.
Marilyn in San Antonio
RW; WADR, I don’t think so. I think it’s at the point that, collectively, we’ve seen so MUCH warpimp bullshit’n’koolaid, that most americans are skeptical of anything that has a whiff of that about it.
And, as some people are parseing very well on here, Patreaus’ “assessment” is dipped from the same outhouse pit.
Same casualties; same chaos-theory petrie-dish; same knowing-which-questions-not-to-ask.
Excuse me; brb: one of my “pickin’ buddies” on the bluegrass site posted this morning on how well the surge was working. I go now to apprise him of the semi-official visit that the uniformed gunmen (driving the SUV’s which we ALSO probably paid for) paid to the Iraqi Oil Ministry.
Marcus Aurelius @ 98
Hence the picture of Mary Magdalene above the post. Not that she or any literal whore necessarily deserve to be called “filthy”, but you get the point.
Jeebus. That bit by Norquist is an above-ground eulogy.
If Rove weren’t a beached white whale I’d say that was more of a prelude to a blowj*b than a eulogy.
I don’t expect the president from hell to push any of his legislation through congress- except for mom and apple pie stuff- ditto for dems.
The truth is- nothin much is gonna happen on the legislative front- good, bad, or indifferent.
The wheels of govt. are almost equally balanced against one another (FISA being a notable exception).
Biodun@102: Absolutely!
I’ll bet she calls Rudy out on being all Isreali-all the time. Hard-nosed campaigner that she is, I wouldn’t be surprised to see her hit him below the belt, about taking that A*PAC money. :o)
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Marilyn at 111 — It could be that you haven’t gotten an answer because no one has a good one for the questions you ask. I know I certainly don’t know the answers — but I’m not a parliamentary expert. Anyone here have sufficient legislative experience to weigh in on that?
Re Giuliani and oppositional research:
Go to amazon.com and type “Wayne Barrett” into the search. The first three results are three books on Giuliani that he and others have written. There’s plenty of material there that’s been available to Hillary’s campaign. And I mean plenty. There are also several other sources available. The campaign can’t wait for Giuliani to win the Repug nomination. Many New Yorkers also can’t wait. It will be ugly and nasty. And New Yorkers are just salivating.
ok ran over to a act blue and dropped a little change.
wish i could do more!
Christy keeps hittin’ home runs!!!
This sums up the dimebag hackery for all to see…
Congress must pursue Rove investigation: New York Times
(snippity snip snip)
I suppose that means the Post-itas are fuming about the death of their vaunted vision and the legacy of unctuous authoritarianism. Waaa, it would have worked if our credibility hadn’t be in tatters!!!
ReBushLickens are the party of death. They are Pro-Death. Those are the terms they should be judged on.
Norquist…Norquist…Norquist…
Isn’t he the guy who wanted to make the government so small that people drown in the Mississippi river? Or something like that? Maybe I’m confusing what he said with what actually happened.
ruffian at 118 — Every little bit helps. Most of our ActBlue donations come in $10 to $25 increments. And we raised a little over half a million bucks last election cycle for our candidates. Trust me, it adds up…
WaPo’s Matthew Mosk has a little blurb today “GOP Searching For Internet Dollars.”
It’s not pretty.
Tanbark @ 93
She’s got to go after his weaknesses (he’s mobbed up and is an unfit father and husband) but also has to be Rovian in going at his perceived strength: his 9-11 walk downtown. Josh Marshall and others have done plenty of work towards the dismantlement of that myth.
brendan at 113 — I was wondering when someone was going to catch that. *G*
Hi, Christy!
In fine form today, truly.
I know Fred already knows about FDL and LOVES US… but, wuldn’t this be a great piece to SPOTLIGHT to everyone over at the WaPo0 ??…hmmm.
rwcole @ 106
What I find so infuriating about this is how the Democrats are AWOL on all this and are making no effort to counter this propaganda barrage. I get so tired of waiting for them to get a clue. They don’t have to prejudge the Petraeus-Crocker report but they can talk about levels of violence, numbers of refugees, the deterioration in basic services, the tenuousness of the truce in Anbar, and the internecine Shia conflicts in the South. So far I have heard nothing.
I suspect that if the Congress does stand up to Bush it will not be because of the Democrats but rather because of Republicans running scared in 2008. Wouldn’t it be nice if the Democrats finally found something that was worth fighting for that was worth fighting for?
Fresh thread, up and running for everyone. And, may I say to all and sundry who ask for more on voting accountability issues, go to it…
Sparkles the Iguana,
385 bucks?? Shows how much core republican voters choose to get behind whoever the corporations decide will be their next president. Or senator. Or Representative. Or governor.
Oops, sorry about the Yahoo report. It was a DEPUTY oil minister that was just kidnapped…and three other officials.
Biodun; I don’t care WHAT she has on Rudy. Rudy’s gone. He’s history.
The politician who can, and will, damage the democratic cause the worst, is the one you’re bragging on. She simply cannot be elected; a LOAD of republicans who would otherwise sit this election out, will make it a point to get to the polls to vote against her…and while they’re there, they’ll lump in every democrat on the ballot, with her.
Check out the democratic candidates who are saying that they fear her “negatives” if they have to run with her. The list is growing.
Another one of Lieberman’s good ideas….
snip
India would like to expand its nuclear weapons program, and Joe Lieberman think it’s a terrific idea. Lieberman, during a three-day visit to India, endorsed the Bush Administration’s position on India’s nukes when he said:
“I will do everything I can to help see [the U.S.-India nuclear deal] through the United States Senate.”
OT: This by Marty Lederman is a must for anyone concerned about the Orwellian torture interrogations being conducted on GWoT detainees. But even more intersting is the Manichean world view that justifies such Orwellian behavior, e.g., http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i…..earl070307 :
Shorter: “We’re the good guys, so our shit can’t stink.”
Tanbark @ 132:
I am NOT a Hillary supporter. And if you’ve my comments on this blog in recent months you’ll know that. I’m simply stating what I know about her campaign.
And Rudy’s gone, he’s history? Nope. I don’t think so. At least not yet.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 72
Hiatt seems to suffer from a rightwing affliction – follow, join the band wagon, walk in lock step. I bet Hiatt thinks he is being honest.
Me @ 135:
And if you’ve read my comments…
Biodun @ 58
That book just gets better and better with age. One to hold.
Blog Mistresses — some housekeeping on the blogroll — Larry Johnson’s No Quarter link has changed to this:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/
Long Live Bloggers and Mods!
Biodun: Giuliani is roadkill. Well-aged
roadkill.
And since you’re not a Clinton supporter, you should have said that ANY of the democratic candidates would do the same well-deserved hammering of Giuliani that you so proudly avowed SHE would do.
Because, IF Giuliani could skin through to the nomination, you can bet your ass, Edwards, or Obama, or whomever, will go after him at least has hard as Hillary, especially since, as I pointed out (and as you ignored) they haven’t shared with Rudy the same views on some rather important issues as has Clinton.
Tanbank:
I’m an Edwards supporter. I was focusing on Hillary’s campaign machine, and not on her campaign issues, some of which I don’t support.
ccmask @ 133
In short, Lieberman thinks we’re all pretty stupid. Neglecting dynamics of the region, and making this all about “Iran.” Energy and Arms I suppose, are supposed to “secure” India’s “cooperation.”
Brendan (#115), the Catholic Chuch’s portrayal of Mary Magdalene as a whore/prostitute was recanted ages ago. According to historians (not theologians), she was from a wealthy family, she was much-respected, and her influence with Jesus rivaled that of his male apostles. There is speculation that Jesus married her.
A female with powerful influence in the Catholic Church?? Oh no, never, simply not possible!! The Catholic hierarchy rewrote history to make her a prostitute. The purported reason for the rewrite is that Church rulers were not sexist, they just wanted to demonstrate how Jesus could reform sinners. Yeah, riiiiight. Of 12 male apostles, only Judas was vilified, but the only woman who had a strong presence in Jesus’s life had to be recast as a sinner. Not just a run-of-the-mill sinner, but a sexual sinner.
This sordid tale of character assassination pretty much sums up why I am a FORMER Catholic. That and centuries of misogyny.
gbear @ 71
Oh man, can’t we catch a break from these guys anywhere anyhow?
“leadership” like that we can do without.
Hugh @ 81
Our success in Iraq, as you and I see it, is long lost. For now our only success will be to get completely out of there, so we can rest and rebuild our military.
After that we’ll reassess who our enemies are or might be and how to deal with them. Now Republicans should be in the room for that analysis and it’s not clear whether any DLCers should be either.
Sometimes leadership is knowing when to cut your losses or to change direction.
Biodun @ 102
That’s probably what Giuliani likes about her and it’s the first thing I’ve heard him say about her (and her campaign).
But, sometimes ya need less ‘fier’ and more ‘ruth’. Rudy has neither, but ALL the Democrats do.
Who doesn’t think Rudy is a one-act fear-monger? What do we do after that entertainment wears off? He’s not fit to be mayor of New York City.
Biodun; glad to hear you’re an Edwards supporter. :o)
I bet HIS campaign machine will go after Rudy with both barrels (when and if the need arises) too! :o)
In the wake of the resignation of Karl Rove, most media post-mortems of the architect of the Bush presidency describe his legacy as one of ultimate failure. That is, in the end Karl Rove fell short of his goal to secure a permanent Republican majority monopolizing all three branches of government for the next generation. Instead, he leaves behind a Democratic Congress and an unpopular, enfeebled President Bush.
But those accounts fail to capture the enduring dark cloud that Karl Rove has cast over the American political landscape. His grim legacy is certainly not about public policy (about which he cared little) or even about winning and losing (about which he cared a great deal). No, the indelible mark of Karl Rove is the permanent transformation and debasement of American politics itself.
For the details, see:
“The Base Politics of Karl Rove.”
yes i agree to that