Britney Spears’ Toxic — seemed like the perfect toxic combo with a discussion of Karl Rove…
Mr. ReddHedd and I were talking about the Rove resignation over coffee this morning. I was ticking down the list of all the scandals in which Rove has had an active hand — many of which are still under active investigation — and Mr. ReddHedd hit an Occam’s Razor point that is worth a mention: Rove is such a toxic figure that the GOP does not want him anywhere near them, publicly anyway, as they gear up for the 2008 election.
Note the “Bolten forcing his hand” subtext of this NYTimes piece, for example. And in this WaPo piece — all keying off assertions Rove himself made in the Gigot WSJ piece. Pushing that particular meme immediately raises my inner cynic. I think that his toxicity could be one plausible rationale for playing “hide the Turdblossom.” But only one part.
Especially if said investigations into wrongdoing have some serious bite to them, and the GOP hierarchy knows it is only a matter of a ticking time bomb that we all find out just how much bite. (And I do hear a rumor through the legal grapevine that Susan Ralston may be learning how to sing.) “Out of sight, out of mind” only goes so far, though, but the traditional August downtime is a good time to try it out, I suppose. But the fact that Rove gave multiple political briefings to the political types at the DOJ has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Justice Department officials attended at least a dozen political briefings at the White House since 2001, including some meetings led by Karl Rove, President Bush’s chief political adviser, and others that were focused on election trends prior to the 2006 midterm contest, according to documents released yesterday. (emphasis mine)
Nope. Uh uh. (Hello, Hatch Act hotline?) What’s a little voter suppression chatter between friends? Perhaps it was just a series of tutorials on “the math?”
As reader WB noted to me, Rove gave a scant 18 days notice on his resignation – something certainly seems hinky about this one, doesn’t it? Especially given all the outstanding questions surrounding Rove’s multiple grand jury appearances in the Fitzgerald investigation and his habitual end-run of the Presidential Records Act with his RNC-enabled Blackberry and e-mail account activity. That’s quite a paper trail for some enterprising reporter to eventually get their hands on and make public, isn’t it? Hmmmm…
Mahablog has several excerpts up from an Atlantic Monthly article about Rove’s influence in the Bush WH, and his ultimate failures because of a wholesale lack of political vision for doing the hard work of governing. The upcoming budget battles and veto threats, which are undoubtedly a by-product of Rove’s colossal ego piggy-backing on the egos of Bush and Cheney demanding their way or nothing is a perfect illustration of these short-sighted, politicially driven failure tactics.
Rove’s failures are the GOP writ large, frankly, and may explain why they see Rove as such a toxic figure — because he is the embodiment of the myriad of failures of the Republican party crashing down around them, all rolled into one toxic grubworm of a political operative. To wit:
Green writes that Rove has vanity and hubris on an oceanic scale. In Rove’s World, his knowledge is infallible, his ideas are the only true ideas, and he demands deference even from senior members of Congress….
Most of all, Rove never seems to have figured out that at some point the White House had to put aside campaigning and start governing.
…”I think the larger, deeper problem was that they never fully appreciated that long-term success depended on making sure your policies worked.”
And, of course …
Rove has no antecedent in modern American politics, because no president before Bush thought it wise to give a political adviser so much influence. Rove wouldn’t be Rove, in other words, were Bush not Bush. That Vice President Cheney also hit a historic high-water mark for influence says a lot about how the actual president sees fit to govern. All rhetoric about “leadership” aside, Bush will be viewed as a weak executive who ceded far too much authority. Rove’s failures are ultimately his. (emphasis mine)
Slink off to Texas, Karl. There is much more dirt to come…and my big question today: what is going to sneak out in the news cycle under cover of your ample shadow? One thing is certain, the WH is going to have to amend their all-purpose press release. (H/T to Maha — good one!)
As Will Bunch points out (H/T to Atrios for the link), Rover has been telegraphing his latest attempts at strategery to all and sundry the last few weeks. A little reputation rehab never hurts, I suppose, but it is telling that he feels like he needs it. Would that the folks inside the Beltway would have paid more attention in advance.
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Turdblossom down!
I don’t have good feelings about this.
single digits?
Steve-AR @ 2
Chertoff’s gut is telling me the same thing, and I don’t know why exactly. Just a feeling.
> Rove is such a toxic figure that the GOP does
> not want him anywhere near them as they gear
> up for the 2008 election.
Respectfully I have to disagree. Yes, if Rove is actually indicated for anything that would be a problem. But I don’t see any major Bush Administration figure being indicted between now and February 2009. That leaves the question of general toxicity – and here I would have to say that the Republicans have absorbed well Rove’s tactic of attacking the opponent’s strength. We as reality-based liberals would not want a toxic person around us, but the Republicans (and the Radical Right that controls the Republican Party) /love/ toxicity. They roll around in it. They thrive on it.
I suspect Rove is just taking a pause to figure out where he will end up next.
Cranky
Morning, Christy!
Steve-AR @ 2
makes you wonder what new stupidity is afoot.
Christy,
I think your point that keeping karl around would require the Republicans to deal with foul smelling messes he has been involved in and hurt the Rethugs at election time is a good one. The war is killing them so keeping Rove around does not help.
EPU’s from last thread:
Biodun @ 173
Bill (Black-jack addict) Bennet was on CNN telling Heidi that Rove was a genius….and a great man…blah, blah cr*p!
Well, there’s a mega-concept. The only governing to date has been via signing statements (almost wrote singing statements — lalalalalala), executive privilege, commander in chief uber alles and cashing paychecks funded by the little people. (And I don’t mean leprechauns!)
Rove really does show his arrogance in his comments about how many things are attributed to him.
But that also indicates how many people have bought into his myth.
As the Bush administration comes crashing down around everyone’s heads and the Republics have taken to crowing about a 34% approval rating(Soft bigotry of low expectations) people are still thinking that Rove is pulling off some great Machiavellian feat.
Please, just like in the pre-2006 election period. Rove is tapped out. His one trick pony has been sent off to the glue factory. He’s not magic.
-GSD
re: the Will Bunch through Atrios link:
“Mr. Rove also said he expects the president’s approval rating to rise again, and that conditions in Iraq will improve as the U.S. military surge continues. He said he expects Democrats to be divided this fall in the battle over warrantless wiretapping, while the budget battle — and a series of presidential vetoes — should help Republicans gain an edge on spending restraint and taxes.”
Democrats divided on warrentless wiretapping: that’s us. What to do? Christy? EW? Trex? Anyone?
Slightly off topic, but the WaPo reported that before Bush leaves for Texas he “is scheduled to stop in Washington today to pay a visit to the Veterans Affairs Medical Center.” Change of meds, perhaps, before he hits Texas?
From the EPU section last thread:
mc@185
I don’t know if this has been noted but the de-mythification of Rove has begun in some quarters (subscription required):
“Lessons of a Failed Presidency: Why Karl Rove Couldn’t Deliver”
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc…../karl-rove
The article, by Joshua Green, ends with this line: “In the end, the verdict on George W. Bush may be as simple as this: He never questioned the big, booming voice of Oz, so he never saw the little man behind the curtain.”
Also EPU’d from last thread:
Biodun @ 183
Rove say Chimpys ratings will go up???
Must be “THE MATH”…that only Rover is privy too…LMAO!
barbara @ 4
The GF was on her way to run and heard the news..woke me up..and the first things that came to mind were Cheney and Iran..I can’t follow the dots..but Rove is evil but not a psychopath; and I think the two psychopaths are planning something that even Rove didn’t have the stomach for.
Remember that Rasputin wasn’t killed easily (literally), and neither will Rove be (metaphorically).
He’s far from gone.
One hour to go!
My lady advises me that Rove did not leave of his own volition. And that Mr. Rove is going to face criminal action. And she says this is a partcularly glorious Oklahoma morning. I agree with her.
Karl Rove is resigning effective 8/31/07. Former Sen. Fred Thompson is announcing for President on Labour Day. Coincidences in politics are rare.
Karen Hughes spinning Rovers departure on CNN…what a piece of work!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 21
I agree with both of you.
Franco @ 22
That woman turns my stomach.
-GSD
CNN deserves at least a smidgeon of credit for mentioning the following in the latest Rove article:
Rove, who has held a top position in the White House since Bush took office in January 2001, is to stand down on August 31.
Both Rove and Scott Jennings, who is a special assistant to the president and deputy political director, were subpoenaed by the Senate Judiciary Committee, which is investigating the fired attorneys case.
Rove did not testify as ordered by the subpoena earlier this month, which angered panel Chairman Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont. White House Counsel Fred Fielding informed the committee that Rove, “as an immediate adviser to the president,” can’t be ordered to testify and was told by the White House not to attend.
Rove did testify before a federal grand jury about the leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame’s identity after Plame’s husband, former ambassador Joe Wilson, became a critic of the war in Iraq.
I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, who was Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, was later convicted of lying and obstructing justice. Bush commuted Libby’s sentence.
Libby’s attorneys contended that Libby was the victim of a White House conspiracy to protect Rove but never presented any evidence to support that claim.
Journalist Robert Novak, who identified Plame in a 2003 column, testified that Rove was one of two officials who leaked Plame’s identity to him, but Rove was never charged with a crime.
Steve-AR @ 18
Okay, that is truly chilling. And nothing calls me to dispute it. I. Want. To. Be. Wrong.
GSD @ 24
Isn’t she in charge of propaganda?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 21
Remember that Rummy was given a long, slow trip out the door. A month or two.
Rover’s 18 days sticks to high heavens.
Maybe the Dems do have some smoking guns that will come in the form of a mushroom cloud.
-GSD
Good point Christy what other news will the Bushies try and bury under Karl’s shadow? Given the darkness of the dark lord they could release Katrina responsibilty or Minesotta Bridge news and we might not notice!
Okay, now I see the Atlantic article is getting out there. (Note to self: always read post first.)
Now, to connect the dots.
JF @ 27
Under tutelage of Rove and Frank Luntz. Bring in George Lakoff to unravel what’s being spun.
Rove on his own future plans:
BlueStateRedHead @ 13
Well I’m not afraid to vote third party, but as livid as I am about Joe Donnelly’s vote on the FISA bill — a sentiment I expressed to him to his face Saturday morning — I’ll still vote for him in 2008. He’s a blue dog, but he’s so much better than Count Chocula, whom he replaced, I can’t imagine what he’ll end up running against will be any better.
I helped out Joe’s primary opposition in 2006, but I got on board once the primary was over.
I don’t think Democrats are all THAT divided. Sure we’re pretty ticked off, but it’s not like we’re going to support Republicans in 2006, because we’re mad at our spineless Democrats.
I think the more legitimate concern is that Independents may have trouble voting for candidates they perceive to be “weak.” Which IMO is exactly what repeatedly caving to Bush, Inc. makes them appear to be.
Good morning, Redd. I, for one, will celebrate this blessed event. Friday, August 31, 2007, there’s gonna be a big pig roast at my house! I share the trepidations of many as to what this might mean – Rove slinking off hoping to avoid Congressional contempt, putting more power (if that’s possible) in Cheney’s hands, leaving Bush without a brain (how can that be bad, I ask?) to God knows what end. But I will celebrate.
jayt @ 19
how true. but at least we aren’t going to be paying him any more.
OT. I’m still really pissed at Harold Ford for his comments yesterday. Calling up the anti-Semitism card for war opponents, and then denigrating Cindy Sheehan makes it clear that the DLC has no interest at all in pulling out of Iraq, and nor does their candidate of choice, Hillary.
How does this link to Rove? A fractured Dem party will be far less strong going into the election. The will of the people of the party is on our side – as is the voice of a majority of Americans, but the DLC will try to subvert that – to the benefit of the Rethugs.
barbara @ 27
And was not Bush out of DC the last time?
> As the Bush administration comes crashing down
> around everyone’s heads and the Republics have
> taken to crowing about a 34% approval rating
Cheney, Norquist, and the big-dollar Texas gang have accomplished at least 80% of what they set out to do when their figurehead took office. That has to count as one of the most successful presidencies of all time. Evil, but successful.
Cranky
Now Rove is free to be a well-paid Republican speaker/cheerleader, getting rich while bearing no responsibility for the results of the 2008 election (unless it turns out well for the R’s, of course).
‘Course he could get bitch-slapped by reality – but Karma hasn’t done such a good job of settling the accounts payable lately.
barbara @ 27
Me too..It’s a sad day when wild, crazy speculation can in fact be “real”. ie..Arrest an American citizen in the US, torture, deny Habeas, and put on trial for fabricated crimes;.. never happen.
This is my Occam’s Razor analysis:
1] Another shoe is ready to drop,
2] It would force Rove to resign, and
3] This allows him to leave on his own terms with a bit of dignity.
In other words he is leaving to spend more time with his lawyers.
Wonder if rove is gonna go and rip little innocent animals heads off.
Also,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxcuVlCuX9Y
“Hide the Turdblossom.” That’s fantastic. Definately feel that is part of this Kabuki Dance.
Maybe more than one of the various theories floating around here are accurate. Perhaps one or some of the scandals are closing in on the Turd. In the meantime though, 2008 is fast approaching and better get the AARRGHH-itect out there to rig some key elections under the radar.
Either way, the Dem that becomes Prez should use their power to spy and follow any American at will on Rover. Few people are greater threats to the Constitution and America than this treasoner. He said an undercover CIA operative, working specifically on Middle East WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION (BOO!), is “fair game” for the press.
Get some dirt on him, then change the laws back and restore the Constitution once Turd is behind bars.
MSNBC calling it the “Karl Rove ERA”…yuck!
John Fund on spinning now…geeezzz they are all out with the same talking points…….
he said that Chimpy numbers are coming up!
LibertyLee @ 22
ding ding ding
The truth is that Karl Rove is exhausted.
Brought to you by John Fund, WSJ
OT
At least someone has the
ballsovaries to tell Bush, “fuck you.”http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..nvitation/
Boston1775 @ 46
LMAO…he is one of the MOST pathetic of the bunch of losers!
Re: “and my big question today: what is going to sneak out in the news cycle under cover of your ample shadow?”
Apart from what gathering legal clouds could be about to sweep Rove under, this is the second question that came to mind. It will be interesting to see if any spell is broken. It will be particularly interesting to see if the spell includes Republicans in Congress having finally issued a definitive fuck you to Rove in revolt.
Boston1775 @ 47
Two guys I really cannot deal with are Ron Christie and John Fund.
Franco @ 10
Anybody who loses a million dollars gambling has no authority on anything whats next giving an oxycontin addict his own show.
Rove and the myth of realignment:
By the “family,” Rover means the Corleone’s. Either that or Jeff Gannon/Fuckert. Not signing the secret service logs was getting tiresome.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 51
Eeewww….They make Karen Hughes look charming.
-GSD
why does the latest interview with Poppi Bush sayin’ he’s hanging out in the WH and chatting it up with KKKarl stick out in my head?
it was odd the first time I heard it… seems like strange timing.
Rove isn’t leaving because he was a failure. If that was the criterion, the White House would be empty and the first three or four tiers of most agencies and departments would be too. Remember loyalty not competence is the hallmark of the Bush Administration.
Rove leaving because of his toxicity to Republicans, I don’t buy either. He’s been toxic for some time now. Besides the toxicity does not emanate from Rove. That’s all Bush. Politically, for the Republicans, it’s all Iraq, Iraq, Iraq, and that has more to do with Cheney and his cabal than Rove.
That leaves an undiagnosed illness or the sh*t about to hit the fan in one or several of the investigations into Rove’s politicization and corruption of government.
I suspect this as been in the works for a while. We are in the dog days of summer. Congress is in recess and the hope is probably that the nation is not paying attention. The short lead time may also be part of this. They don’t want him lingering as a lame duck or a target.
There is no question that Rove is sunk up to his porky jowls in multiple scandals. Any one scandal may burst soon and get mud all over Bushie, Dick and others (Presidential Hopefuls).
That would be it – the fear of unstoppable bad publicity for Rethugs. The scandals are so rotten (and widespread and far-reaching) that even the erstwhile complicity of the media would have to discontinue in order to circumvent total chaos.
They are not afraid of what the Democratic Congress will do to punish them (that would be nothing). They only fear the media and the voters turning on them.
OldCoastie @ 55
The Saudis are coming, the Saudis are coming!
mc @ 48
That video screen capture with Germany’s Merkel is probably the greatest summation of the Shrub anywhere. It’s so poetic.
I hope he’s made to surrender his passport!
Bush Appoints Rove to the Federal Bench!
Just kidding.
Couple of things.
William Bennett on CNN and Tweety on MSNBC both referred to him as the Democrat’s “Moby Dick”.
Also, why WSJ now, and why slip in onto page A-15.
LibertyLee @ 22
Thompson is supposedly Cheney’s prefered candidate. The plan appears to be to win/steal the 2008 election with Thompson, and to keep the war in the middle east going right through 2016.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 21
Some lyrics from Oklahoma!
“Oh, what a beautiful mornin’,
Oh, what a beautiful day…”
Why is Unka Karl leaving now? You don’t roll out a new product in August.
White House spin, 9/1/07: “Karl Rove? Never heard of him. And by the way — he can’t testify anywhere ever, executive priviledge and state secrets and math and stuff.”
The understatement of the day:
Using “thought” and “wise” in the same sentence with “Bush” is enough to make an oxymoron blush — if the oxymoron-in-chief had an ounce of shame in him.
Wait…. I think I know what happened. Everything is timing! Shrub left Rove for the young svelt French poodle president who came to Maine for a “picnic” – he came running to shrub without wife and kids. Rove was really pissed. This was the last straw…Bushie quitting him for the freedom fry guy.
Just a little more on Rove’s myth of realignment and how he tried to create his own “societal trauma,” and why it failed:
[Note to Mod: I’ll quote maybe one more time from The Atlantic, and then I’ll stop. I read the whole article yesterday, and I think it’s the first significant historical draft of an assessment of Rove’s “contribution’” if one can call it that, to history.]
I heard that he said he was going “hunting”. I doubt Rove is a hunter. I wonder if that was a subtle reference to Dick.
I get the feeling Cheney’s gonna try to get nominated without really running and maybe Dick said to get Rove out, because he’s an anvil around their neck. Just a feeling.
LS @ 63
Nice label. Both the dick part, and the fleshy white whale part, something which gobbles up smaller fish in the ocean waiting to destroy everything in its path when it comes up for air.
was there ever a connection between Rove and the forged Niger
letter? does the current arms deal/Italian Intellence have any
relevance to having him go??
EPU’d on previous thread.
Leap of faith? Kernels of possibilities?
……
Good Morning Dawgs!
You make it hard to stay in a frump around this house. Wonderful news, articles, & comments flying low & fast at the Lake, and I was clueless till a friend told me in an e-mail. Embarrassment X 100’s. I have always told her the news! *blush*
As mentioned upthread, maybe ignoring rover was the ticket LOL.
The reaction (NOT!) of the MSM is disgusting. Thank goddesses for the Lake and Marcy!
I sorta like(!) the combo of these 2 perceptive comments from previous thread. If trubble is looming large & comin’ fast, they may have had to leap over a step or 2 in a hurry, despite their best-laid plans. Ya’think?
Now. Back to lurk and try to catch up, egad!
Methinks it’s news from the Lake & Huffpo, Keith & Jon for this week, & ignoring the babble of the rabble on MSM. *g*
From the WaPo Lede: Marcy!!!
GSD @ 55
- uh – no. not by half! *blergh*
Rove-delusions of supremacy & omnipotence.
AZ Matt @ 73
Steady as she goes…
William Bennett (on CNN) pointed the finger at Rove (in a round about compliment) with regard to the 2004 voting in Ohio and “data mining”. The choice of words of “data mining” really stood out. I’m thinking of the destroyed ballots.
That was very strange.
BlueStateRedHead @ 13
We hold politicians accountable for their votes whether they are Democrats or Republicans. Never trust what Rove has to say about the Democrats. It is just concern trollery. The fact is that if we don’t keep the pressure on Democratic members of Congress they will be more likely to vote the Administration’s way.
There is nothing wrong with slamming Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. It lets them know that they can’t dink with us and expect to get away with it.
AZ Matt @ 73
I think that’s in the NYT. Same diff…
Every bit of exposure is good. We gotta get more and more people of the Conglomerate Media teat, and getting their “news” from people like FDL and Marcy.
Why announce this early on a Monday morning instead of the Turd’s usual, after-the-news-cycle on Friday afternoons? This is a distraction
from something else.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 65
How strange. My lady (Lahoma) and I were singing this tune early this AM out by the pool after hearing about Karl. ;0)!
LS @ 77
correction..”pointed the finger…” [Mod: fixed]
archie’s bunkbed @ 63
I concur. The Fatass Thompson Gunner is Cheeny’s Dream Puppet. Save money, avoid early unavoidable faux pas (You can’t let the public ask him questions – Must have a canned audience), then run him up the flagpole and see if they salute.
In Cheneyland, the war in Iraq is unfinished business. The last thing Dick wants is to watch Hillary Clinton slowly dismantle his middle east adventure. I think the scheme is to somehow hold on to the reins of power. Rove is an expert at stealing elections.
-ck- @ 66
Yes, and Cheney is the most powerful Vice President in history, which is also without precedent. So what was Bush doing all this time besides being mean, vindictive, and hollow?
Foz @ 80
This will certainly be an “interesting” week. I’m still cynical, but something is definitely going down, and it’s possible it could even be “good.”
I wonder what we’ll be talking about by Friday?
My first thought when I heard this morning that Rove was gone was that it was because he was an obstacle to Cheney’s plan to invade Iran. I have read several times recently that Rove was discouraging the incessant more war mantra. Really, who is going to make decisions for Bush with Karl gone? Rice? Nope, Cheney has been rolling over her for seven years and she is no threat to his plans.
I hope I am wrong, but as much as I hate Karl Rove because he is a crooked asshole, I am terrified of Cheney because he is just plain evil.
Maybe Rover’s planning on running Thompson’s campaign. Whatever he SAYS the reason for leaving is- is incorrect of course.
So is Karen Hughes going to take Rove’s job? I thought she wanted to spend more time with her family.
Another thought.
“I’ve got to do this for my family”….
Maybe Larry Flynt is going to release something damning about Rove…
If I were Rove I’d be keeping a mighty low profile. We’ll see what his ego allows him to do.
Please forgive my ignorance.
Would Rove have been in cheeeney’s way, impeding what he’s after? unduly influencing jr? whatever?
Could rover’s departure simply mean shooter won a behind the white-wall turf battle???
Did anyone catch what Rove said he’ll do when he resigns?
Go back to West Texas and go dove hunting.
As much as I despise the man, it was the first time I’ve heard a Republican pull off a good snarky comment in a long time.
Cranky Observer @ 5
I just gotta say, I’m with you. I think Rove still thinks he’s impervious to any legal pursuit, the GOP still thinks of Rove as a God, and Fred Thompson still hasn’t quite declared himself a candidate for President. Rove is a political operative extraordinaire, so he needed to be relieved of his prior commitment to go out and do what he and the party thinks he does best. By the way, the fact that Repugs are still having their way with the laws tells me that, although we Dems have a nominal majority, Karl may actually have “the math” after all.
Either that or we’re a lot closer to catching Karl in the current web of investigation than we realize. I hope this is the case!
SufiLizard @ 86
Boy-oh-boy! You guys own antacid stock or sumpin? *ooogh*
They’re running early…the press conf is about to start…
Reminder: Roughly 15 minutes to Bush/Rove press conference/announcement. Will they take questions?
Rove’s departure leaves a power vacuum at the WH and we’re not talking Electrolux here.
Bush is all alone at the top with He-who-cannot-be-named – oops, I mean Cheney, to guide him.
If I lived in Teheran, I’d be calling my travel agent…
cancer_cures @ 93
hunting with Cheney I hope!
NPR is still going to Kookie Roberts for political analysis. Of all the great writers and analysts on the Washington beat, she is the best they’ve got?
I can never hear or view Roberts without recalling that she turned down an interview in Cuba with Pope John Paul II in order to cover The Bl*wj*b for the next 1.5 years.
These MSM journalistic “standards” we rail aginst have been in place for a long, long time.
things come undone @ 99
dubble ‘er nuthin!!
Good riddance to a bad character.
Rove has been #1 on my list for years now.
The fact that he is leaving rather hastily says something is rotten in Denmark.
I heard about it coming in to work and they were saying Rove had been talking about
fleeing for his lifeleaving with Bush for over a year.Funny how the timing of a subpeona helps you make up your mind.
The Republican Party is literally fighting for its own life right now.
The entire Alaskan delegation is under investigation.
Reliably Red states like Montana and Colorado and even Kansas are bleeding bluer by the week.
The Maryland Republican Party is bankrupt.
In NH the R Party has to give a percentage of their donations to the Democratic Party because of a lost lawsuit..
Two California Congressman are under investigation.
Bob Ney’s staffer was wearing a wire.
The Iowa straw poll turn out was half of what was expected. After Oil Slick Mitt, the man who believes the savior is gonna come on a space ship from the planet Kolob, the next three winners in Iowa don’t believe in evolution.
The standard get out the vote issues are collapsing. The pro-business and libertarian wings are tired of the “dark-sided Christofascists” and the Jesus Campers feel they have been ignored…..
Low level Republicans are getting indicted and charged for dealing coke, giving out blowjobs to cops and sleeping staffers and rape.
Iraq and Afghanistan are hanging by a thread.
This is the condition of the modern day Republican Party after the 8 year long adherence to Rovism.
-GSD
Well, thinking that the Rove departure would be used as a “bright, shiny object”, I went surfing through Executive orders to see if there was anything new. There is: this Executive order amending the order of succession at Dept of Homeland Security. I don’t see any relevance to Rove, though, unless Bush is planning on appointing Karl head of DHS.
Hmmm. Must keep reading.
It is our duty to not let the Dems “forget”. All of the Roves and enablers that we don’t know, need to be indicted and prosecuted. Letting these cockroaches crawl back into the woodwork of American politics will be the end of this country. After 01/20/09, they need to be hounded by the Justice Dept.; never give them any respite from justice. The Lefty Blogs need to be the “Nazi” hunters of the 21st century.
Adie @ 92
6 1/2 years into the Administration? Unlikely. If there was going to be a turf battle between Dick and Karl, it would have happened a long time ago. No, if there is one over foreign policy it would be between Cheney and Rice.
Final The Atlantic installment on Rove’s myth of realignment:
Clusterfuck’s still got condi and karen and uncle dicky an gonzo ta hold his hand- kiss his cheek and tell him everything will be all right.
tpres2000 @ 98
in re my #92??? you sayin’?
Hey Biodun –
Great catch on the history of realignments, and Rove’s fascination with McKinley. I for one, am not convinced the McKinley era was a true realignment, so much as it was a masterful use of wedge issue politics to divide and conquer the the Progressives and Populists, with the spoils going to the Robber Baron super rich.
Rove used the Hanna/McKinley playbook to great advantage, but it was Teddy Roosevelt that ushered in the realignment — by uniting the Progressives in opposition to the kleptocrat Republicans. After the election of 1912, the Progressives moved to the Democratic Party — but it took the election of FDR in 1932 to counter balance the power of the reactionary Dixiecrats.
The process is still playing out today: what the cocktail weenie set laments as partisanship is the final stage of the Great Realignment — the Liberals, Progressives, and tolerant Populists finding their voice in the Democratic Party, while the GOP has become the concentrated dead enders of racists, haters, corporate kleptocrats, and reactionary populists.
And THAT — is a good thing . . .
It’s an enema, folks.
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tpres2000 @ 98
Rove will still be calling in the plays for Dubya on his I-Putz. Dubya can’t do nuttin without Rove.
Two things –
- The NPR story quoted Bush as calling him “the Architect.” Yeah, I screamed at the radio while switching stations, but first he called him TURDBLOSSOM. Mornings before coffee are ugly enough.
- Rove unleashed in the months before an election gives me the creeps. I’d pay top dollar to have the guy tagged with a GPS beacon, and a giant spotlight on him 24-7. Hopefully he’ll simply wind up in jail.
Link to presser?
Tweety on Rove’s resignation: “it’s boring at this point”
riiiight.
rwcole @ 107
Word! And it’s really all about Dicky, isn’t it?
Even this fly-by-night removal of the Turdblossom could be viewed as nothing more than a huge smokescreen for the real man behind the curtain.
There’s still an Iraq conflict, there’s still a neo-con agenda forcing issues like the recent FISA bill insanity; and, there’s still Dick Cheney helping his corporate buds like Haliburton to massive amounts of ill gotten gain.
Dick’s still the head dick!
ThinkProgress: Leahy vows to press forward with Rove investigation
Rather symbolic already.
The last time I remember a departure scripted in front of a helicopter was Richard M. Nixon.
The unscripted departure was the roof on the embassy in Vietnam.
-GSD
Would Freddy hire Karl? We may soon find out.
Foz @ 80
Or a mark of Rove’s sense of self-importance?
things come undone @ 29
That’s where we (the collective blogosphere) come in; we won’t let them bury it.
things come undone @ 99
Hunting doves, how a propos.
OK!!!! So where do I apply to get tickets to the Medal of Freedom ceremonies?
CSPAN 1 has it.
GSD @ 103
Each one of these points sounds interesting and deserves further scutiny but not today.
Karl claiming that he has been serving our country.
Adie @ 108
Sorry, missed your comment – it takes me way too long to put mine together, so I don’t see the 10 or 15 before me…
Short answer – yup.
ck @ 110
yeah, we wish.
Bush: dear friend, sacrifices he has made, yadda, yadda.
Rove: Witness to history, calls Bush man of integrity, decency. Little quavering in the voice
Yuck
AWWWWWWWWWW…Rover is all choked up…WHAT A LOSER!
Presser….Junyah says….he and kkKarl dear friend needs to spend more time with DArby and his kid. Longtime friends, hopes to remain friends and his family has made tremendous
KkkKarl speaking. Mr. President pleasure to serve him and the nation and being a witness..getting voice quavering and emotional…talking about the war…talking about terra ist attack, and how Junyah is wonderful he is. Getting choked up speakin about Junyah’s wonderful integrity decency…he’s asked a lot of his family…and their sacrifices. Lpooks to next chapter in his life and at months end, choking again, he’s asking for God’s strength and widsom . Hugss, Junyah getting teary… done..
Karl meant that he’s been SERVICING our country.
-ck- @ 109:
Thanks. When I read the article, that historical realignment thread leapt at me. And the fact that Rove wanted to situate himself in that historical legacy is interesting because he tried to define his own “contribution” (if we can call it that) to history. One often thinks of “contribution to history” as a positive force.
“Gunna spend more time with–uh–eh-ummmmm–DARBY- that’s it..”
Booo Hooooo
Very emotional…he’s in some kind of trouble. This was not a confident decision. He choked up about his “family”…
Somethin’s up..somethin’s …up…
He gave his resignation today…..He’s all choked up and he’s not full of bluster.
The peasants are at the bottom of the hill and Rove is heading towards the windmill.
-GSD
Maybe he got caught offerin ta pay ta blow a gooper.
Hugh @ 105
Thanks for your comment. I always appreciate your perspective on things.
A man who can manufacture reasons for war can manufacture tears.
Karls dancing buddy David Gregory is just saying nothing significant about Rover and not bringing up ANY of the scandals that has Rover involved
Steve-AR @ 18
Same topic that kept me up late last night, long before the Rove announcement.
I’m worried, very worried.
OT: Consider this. They want to lower the drinking age to 18..If you can be forcibly sent to die for your country at 18, surely you can drink.
They must be getting ready for a Draft.
It’s a good thing I’m going in to work early this a.m. Can’t stomach watching this particular presser live. Maybe tearful Uncle Karl will get a dislocated shoulder from patting himself on the back. Even given that potential, I’ll watch it later…
-ck- @ 110
The McKinley era was also a period marked y vast failure in American attempts at colonialism (read the Philippines) -to say nothing of yellow journalism and falsehood to promote war – i.e. the sinking of the Maine.
LS @ 142
Jeebus, you’re right!
Chuck Todd now spinning for Rover…..call Rove a guardian…these idiots are so pathetic!
Headline I’d like to see:
President Calls Traitor “Dear Friend”!
Ann in AZ @ 94
Yeah. If toxicity were an issue, they’d have purged themselves of DeadEye Dick over a year ago.
Leahy’s statement from Thinkprogress:
Earlier this month, Karl Rove failed to comply with the Judiciary Committee’s subpoena to testify about the mass firings of United States Attorneys. Despite evidence that he played a central role in these firings, just as he did in the Libby case involving the outing of an undercover CIA agent and improper political briefings at over 20 government agencies, Mr. Rove acted as if he was above the law. That is wrong. Now that he is leaving the White House while under subpoena, I continue to ask what Mr. Rove and others at the White House are so desperate to hide. Mr. Rove’s apparent attempts to manipulate elections and push out prosecutors citing bogus claims of voter fraud shows corruption of federal law enforcement for partisan political purposes, and the Senate Judiciary Committee will continue its investigation into this serious issue.
The list of senior White House and Justice Department officials who have resigned during the course of these congressional investigations continues to grow, and today, Mr. Rove added his name to that list. There is a cloud over this White House, and a gathering storm. A similar cloud envelopes Mr. Rove, even as he leaves the White House.
Shiny thing alert!
What if Rove is resigning to work on some other presidential campaign. Bush, Cheney, Rove and the rest must know that when they lose control of the WH all their evil will come to light with a vengeance.
First thing Monday morning…very, very suspicious.
Chris Matthews: “Rove gets a very warm embrace from the President. You can’t ask for more than that.”
Refusing to testify to Congress… Revealing Valerie Plame… Managing the relief effort for New Orleans… Politicizing the entire government. Creating a phony war on terror…Vote caging of US soldiers in Iraq…Hacked Electronic Voting machines…Stated the Democrats supported terror..Trial tampering…Seduced Chris Matthews…
David Gregory and Chris Matthews are catapulting the propaganda. Give them the disrespect they deserve.
barbara @ 139
true enuf, but it’s harder to fake that momentary, slight quaver that was in his voice ONLY when he mentioned family. Very few sterling-quality professional actors, even, can do that.
?clue? either to:
1. thots folks here previously mentioned about the DCmadam thingie, or
2. simply choking up over the idiocy of having to say a blatant, embarrassing lie that wounds his precious ego, or
3. ???
And I like this bit:
Marie Roget @ 143
at least the presser was mercifully short…
Sorry for all the typo’s and errors in my presser comment above….I didn’t mean to submit it and then I got caught in cyberspace limbo and couldn’t get the site up here…sorry.
Anyway, I agree with others, somethings up here…and it doesn’t look good for kkKarl or the WH…unless they are just the most unbelievable good actors.
One comment from the English impaired speaking Junyah that struck me. Paraphrasing from memory but think it fairly accurate, “We are dear friends and I hope we (can) remain good friends.” I thought that odd. Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but Junyah usually says what he’s really thinking …Why would he hope they can remain good friends? What would stop him?
Betty @ 149
I must respectfully disagree, based on the Iran-Contra precedent. A Democratic President and Congress were complicit in helping to bury this scandal after Clinton was elected in ‘92, and there is reason to think they may do so again: A Democratic President would not, in all likelihood, have consolidated Executive power like Bush has, but now that it’s done, he/she will be very reluctant to relinquish it.
Never saw so much tinfoil at the Lake at one time.
NEVER..
just sayin’… ymmv
emal @ 156
had to sacrifice a pig he liked?
Well you know what they say about turdblossoms —-Better out than in.
Tweety and Roves dancing partner are absolutely hideous…not ONE mention of ANY OF THE SCANDALS!
RonD @ 147
;->
On the Today Show this morning, Tweety said whatever one might think of Rove, he’s a brilliant man.
Tweety & Gregorioso are an utter waste of perfectly good airspace & bandwidth.
Adie,
had to sacrifice a pig he liked?
Sacrifice a pig he liked for what reason?
Count me with the others who are uneasy about this.
Explanations that he wants to spend time with his family, or that the GOP is sidelining him for toxicity don’t persuade me any more than the MSM narratives ever do.
With this gang, I figure there may be some strategic advantage to having Rove operate from outside the White House. I’m not sure what that advantage is yet, but I plan to keep reading everything I can find on the topic until I discover it.
The only news I could read about Rove that would reassure me would be an obituary.
On a trivial note, when the news reported that Rove was leaving DC to spend more time with his son, I couldn’t help but imagine how awful it would be to be the child of such a man.
Doesn’t “I hope we can remain friends” sound like an acknowlegement of the possibility that they may not? As well as, a little like a veiled threat?
BTW, in The Atlantic article aptly cover-titled “Lessons of a Failed Presidency: Why Karl Rove Couldn’t Deliver,” there’s much more on the striking parallels between the presidencies of George Bush and William McKinley. But I’ve promised the Mods that I will limit my citations.
I’m at work so missed the presser. Any more details?
Hey, Solai. Seems Karl wants to spend more time for his family. This is believed by exactly nobody. Void being filled with speculation.
Adie @ 158
707!
Resigning with two weeks’ notice while a target of multiple serious criminal investigations is not the way a self-appointed genius like Rove would choose to depart. Ergo, he had to, probably because an indictment is forthcoming. Otherwise, he’d brazen it out like Gonzo, riding Bush to the end of his term while declaiming their vast successes will only be recognized by History.
Speaking of Gonzo. Is he still in Iraq?
Saw the king and his court climbing the stairs to the ‘copter. My, my, Miz Laura has put on the pounds. Another reason to be happy.
Off on the business of the Queen. See everyone later-
This is truly a great day.
PS – I missed the Kos v DLC thing. Anybody got a link to decent summary i can read?
I’m coming to this discussion after the herd has already moved on, but this quote from Christy’s revealing post struck me:
Isn’t it ironic, then, that Bush’s administration will also be viewed as the one asserting far-reaching Unitary Executive privileges and authority?
There are a number of ways to read that. One is that “Unitary Executive” is actually a head fake, and really means “More power for Cheney and Rove,” Bush’s presidential surrogates.
Bob in HI
I find tragically amusing critics who think that KKKarl Rove failed when he did not “put aside campaigning and start governing.”
First, that’s what KKKarl does, so he made doing it every day of a presidency the president’s first priority and that of the entire federal bureaucracy. That’s an achievement, not a failure. That it has had devastating consequences is only relevant if KKKarl can be successfully blamed and suffer consequences for it. So far, not so much.
Second, if I were a top 1/10th of one percenter, if I were managing the Bush trust fund or a hedge fund, if I were running an energy company or defense contractor, if my business were affected at all significantly by government oversight, or laws that impose liability on my negiligence or wrongdoing or abuse of my employees, then I’d say George W. Bush hit the ground running and has been governing effectively since before he entered the White House.
Bush has been extraordinarily effective at what was important to him: lowering taxes on the trust fund set, reducing liability of all kinds on businesses, opening the cookie jar to Congress and his contributors, and making government too broke and dysfunctional to repair what he’s done to it.
That list may not be found in any civics book, it may not be found among the acknowledged aspirations of any president past or future, but it was Lil’ George’s list and he done pretty well. Everything else? Until George gets arrested, tried and convicted for any of it, he doesn’t much care. Never has, never will.
earlofhuntingdon @ 178
Earl, you get an “A” today.
me too
I suspect that when Rove says “dove” hunting, he’s not talking about birds.
Interesting take, that Rove would remove himself to deprive the Dems of their Great White Whale. But then again, that sounds like Rovespeak. It further builds the Myth of Karl while denigrating the Democrats for believing it AND for being unable to undercut his effectiveness.
KKKarl is not given to self-sacrifice. As George Patton was reputed to have said, no soldier wins by dying for his country; he wins by making some of other poor sombitch die for his. That’s what KKKarl does. So if he’s leaving the scene of his crimes, it’s not to protect the president or the GOP; it’s to protect himself, and presumably, to make a heckuva lot of money while he’s doing it.
The day started in such a rotten fashion for me, now one bright and shining thing has happened, I guess who don’t have to live in Kansas to worry about having the house (or the senate) fall on you. But now think of the flying monkeys what will they do?
Any possibility that Darby said “Resign by Labor Day, or I file for divorce”? Then the family line would be true.