3?

2?

boing – reverse one and a half somersaults with three and a half twists, in the free position, no splash

g’evening all

Teddy, I remember being taught in grade school that the phrase from our Founding Fathers that all men are created equal meant exactly that. Equal. No differences. The same.

You’re too humble, Steve. Ya got it.

Damn, I missed the coveted 3.

Evening, all.

Hey LL, are you going to any of the Mets-Nats games this coming weekend?

Suzanne @ 3

boing – reverse one and a half somersaults with three and a half twists, in the free position, no splash

g’evening all

Teddy, I remember being taught in grade school that the phrase from our Founding Fathers that all men are created equal meant exactly that. Equal. No differences. The same.

And women too, just in case the generic use of the masculine is too erudite for somebody out there….

Suzanne @ 3

boing – reverse one and a half somersaults with three and a half twists, in the free position, no splash

g’evening all

Teddy, I remember being taught in grade school that the phrase from our Founding Fathers that all men are created equal meant exactly that. Equal. No differences. The same.

The Bulgarian Judge (still in his wet suit and face mask) attempt to fire a tranquilizer dart from his pen but is brought down by a timely twack to the head from a drifting ectoplasm.

Evening, all!

hi burns — there’s been some talk about going to one of the games, maybe Saturday’s game.

That’s my dear old dress I wore so much in the sixties and seventies. Even the hair style is the same. Wouldn’t be seen in it today. You know the old adage – retro is great as long as you don’t look like the original owner.

From the Put-On-A-Happy-Face Department:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ar…..ector.html

Smile, you’re on Guantanamo Camera!

Ha ha ha ha…

That phrase really needs to be fixed to say

“What do you non-whitehetmale people want??”

Bah.

Well can’t dive but I do a mean 4 point roll.

Wow! This is some real bad law. I was unaware of just how bad. I could go on about ‘traditional roles’ and how fucked up that is but in the face of this blatantly unfair legal situation I will not.

Everyone should be equal before the law.

Period.

Hello, everyone!

I thought it was important to review the fact that marriage equality is not the last frontier. Lots more work needs doing.

There’s lots of folks out there without rights, including a bunch in states that disenfranchised them from their Constitutions after Mayor Gavin Newsom had his little wedding show almost four years ago. Thanks, Gavin, for goading the redstates into ensuring that our brothers and sisters were forever second-class. Nice going.

QuakerGirl @ 10

That’s my dear old dress I wore so much in the sixties and seventies. Even the hair style is the same. Wouldn’t be seen in it today. You know the old adage – retro is great as long as you don’t look like the original owner.

Oh, that’s funny. Now I have to do a major edit in my closet.

TeddySanFran @ 15

Hello, everyone!

I thought it was important to review the fact that marriage equality is not the last frontier. Lots more work needs doing.

There’s lots of folks out there without rights, including a bunch in states that disenfranchised them from their Constitutions after Mayor Gavin Newsom had his little wedding show almost four years ago. Thanks, Gavin, for goading the redstates into ensuring that our brothers and sisters were forever second-class. Nice going.

Isn’t he the one that had a rather messy and public affair with his chief of staff’s wife? Not as many cans in that six pack as i’d like for a leader on LGBT issues…

Teddy, really excellent post tonight. I didn’t see it addressed after a couple of re-reads, but what about medical directives between partners? It’s bad enough that parents can’t make medical decisions for a child if one parent becomes incapacitated, but I’ve read stories about partners who have been prohibited from that as well.

TeddySanFran @ 16

QuakerGirl @ 10

That’s my dear old dress I wore so much in the sixties and seventies. Even the hair style is the same. Wouldn’t be seen in it today. You know the old adage – retro is great as long as you don’t look like the original owner.

Oh, that’s funny. Now I have to do a major edit in my closet.

Boy, does paisley date you. It is not allowed in my wardrobe. Goodwill got them all.

Thank you, Teddy. You have no idea how much I appreciate this post.

The next time the phrase “the gay agenda” crosses my father’s lips, I’m going to paste this over them and ask him why he thinks his neighbors whose company he enjoys so much can’t have the very things you’ve outlined.

These are things that are already enshrined in the Constitution, or established by precedent — like the freedom to enter contracts. What is marriage in the eyes of the law but a contract?

I’m trying to decide whether to roll the dice on Friday night and head down to one of the local music clubs (the Coach House, in San Juan Capistrano).

It’s sooooo tempting.

Richie Furay and Chris Hillman.

Two voices that have been part of my life since I was younger than my kid is now. Both have delivered really good records in the last couple of years.

But … if you’ve heard any of the “Christian rock” that Furay has been inflicting on the world for the last 20 years or so, you know why I’m hesitating.

To go, or not to go …

oh burns, you should go — what the hell. Chances are they’ll play a bunch of stuff from the back catalogue, and you can just tune out the rest.

Anyway, snark aside, these are very important points to be made. (I’m very proud to say in this case that I live in California.)

The gay marriage stuff is all well and good but honestly these things are much more important, in my opinion. I’d let civil unions become established, because you know at some point courts will find them to be equivalent to marriage (I offer you a recent case in the UK which found a woman — married to a man and in a civil union with a woman — to be guilty of bigamy. Now you suddenly have a court precedence equating the two. So, “gay marriage”? Eh.

But as you so astutely lay out, eliminating blatant discrimination in employment, housing, and family structures are crucial…

Okay, let’s assume that a dem is prez and we have a dem majority in both houses and somehow have put the fear of ghod into the quisling scotus folk.

short of a constitutional amendment, how do we provide blanket protection and access to all the above rights which TSF has so accurately and eloquently reminded us the LGBT community lacks? Is there an available bill to do this? if not, can one be crafted?

alfred — need you to look at something and give me a professional assessment. I think it’s important, will try to send it via Facebook.

Until we throw a wrench in gears of the evangelical movement, very little progress can be made.

Rayne @ 25

alfred — need you to look at something and give me a professional assessment. I think it’s important, will try to send it via Facebook.

wilco, standing by…

LoudounLib @ 18

Teddy, really excellent post tonight. I didn’t see it addressed after a couple of re-reads, but what about medical directives between partners? It’s bad enough that parents can’t make medical decisions for a child if one parent becomes incapacitated, but I’ve read stories about partners who have been prohibited from that as well.

These need to be kept up-to-date almost annually as case law changes the need for specificity. Being gay in America is an expensive proposition, if you want to keep your paperwork current. Here’s a source for Marylanders.

Of course, in Virginia, even Baby Cheney is a stranger to his non-biological mother, Heather Poe. There is no directive or joint adoption that’s legally possible in the Commonwealth.

Freaky, your page is hanging for some reason, alfred. Weird, like not a good sign.

Teddy – great post and great point that so much could be done right now.

Ahhh mariage. My daughter is getting a divorce after ten years of marriage. Because all parties are Catholic they are getting an annulment. Huh? Just how does that work? Are the two children from that marriage bastards, now? The priestly class are reviewing the paper work at this very moment. Horrors of horrors, she is marrying a good Jewish lad. OMG. Another one bits the dust.

Back in a while. Have to go to the store. Spouse and kid are complaining that there is no food.

Anyone need anything? Sorry, I don’t think I can get a Congress with a spine at Ralph’s.

PB @ 23

Anyway, snark aside, these are very important points to be made. (I’m very proud to say in this case that I live in California.)

The gay marriage stuff is all well and good but honestly these things are much more important, in my opinion. I’d let civil unions become established, because you know at some point courts will find them to be equivalent to marriage (I offer you a recent case in the UK which found a woman — married to a man and in a civil union with a woman — to be guilty of bigamy. Now you suddenly have a court precedence equating the two. So, “gay marriage”? Eh.

But as you so astutely lay out, eliminating blatant discrimination in employment, housing, and family structures are crucial…

I disagree – civil union are just a fancy term used nowadays to get away from the old separate yet equal – that was what those old “whites only” signs in the South were all about.

burns, I’ll take that pint of Ben and Jerry’s ;-)

Rayne @ 29

Freaky, your page is hanging for some reason, alfred. Weird, like not a good sign.

Rayne, I just got in. it’s been flakey all day. try me again. please. if nec i’ll give you my googlymoogly.

The following was in the Seattle Times over the weekend. I present Charlene Strong, the partner of Kate Fleming. Kate did the voiceovers for hundreds of audiobooks during her career, and was professionally known as Anna Fields. Kate died in a flash flood of their home during the hurricane oops, windstorm Western Washington endured in December of ‘06.

I think about the last few hours of Ms. Fleming’s life, and Ms. Strong’s attempts to simply be with her partner, and it makes me so angry. Who are these people to deny some else the comfort of the one they love the most during what could be their dying moments, anyway?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.c…..ong09.html

-S

LoudounLib @ 34

burns, I’ll take that pint of Ben and Jerry’s ;-)

You may have to fight my kid to get it …

TeddySanFran! This is so important to keep in front of people. Marriage is an important symbol, but not at the expense of family, children, life, death, inheritance, etc.

Suzanne @ 3

boing – reverse one and a half somersaults with three and a half twists, in the free position, no splash

g’evening all

Teddy, I remember being taught in grade school that the phrase from our Founding Fathers that all men are created equal meant exactly that. Equal. No differences. The same.

Evening, Ma Cheri! Nice Dive! One teensy little problem, our founding fathers actually weren’t as benevolent as you entail! Two reasons; 1) They really did mean Men, White Men specifically, and 2) Slavery was written into the Const. Black Men were 3/5ths of a Man!!!

Rayne @ 20

Thank you, Teddy. You have no idea how much I appreciate this post.

The next time the phrase “the gay agenda” crosses my father’s lips, I’m going to paste this over them and ask him why he thinks his neighbors whose company he enjoys so much can’t have the very things you’ve outlined.

These are things that are already enshrined in the Constitution, or established by precedent — like the freedom to enter contracts. What is marriage in the eyes of the law but a contract?

There really is no gay agenda. We’d just be happy with the exact same rights everyone else has. This “special rights” argument is crazy. But it’s working very effectively.

Tell your Dad “hey-girl” for me!

CTuttle @ 39

Suzanne @ 3

boing – reverse one and a half somersaults with three and a half twists, in the free position, no splash

g’evening all

Teddy, I remember being taught in grade school that the phrase from our Founding Fathers that all men are created equal meant exactly that. Equal. No differences. The same.

Evening, Ma Cheri! Nice Dive! One teensy little problem, our founding fathers actually weren’t as benevolent as you entail! Two reasons; 1) They really did mean Men, White Men specifically, and 2) Slavery was written into the Const. Black Men were 3/5ths of a Man!!!

But only for representatives in congress calculations, IIRC. Otherwise they were non-people, like women at the time. Of course, if you review the various writings about the Constitution, many decried the inclusion of slavery and said it was setting us up for disaster later. Nobody mentioned women in the same light though. Amazing the blind spots in even the most enlightened men.

It’s away, alfred. You can reach me by return FaceB or through my blog at my login/signature in upper left corner of comment.

There’s another parallel story that I wish I could share, but I’ll wait for your assessment.

Off to bed, need to hit the hay before my first full week on the new job!!

g’night Rayne

It’s not that marriage doesn’t matter. It’s that it’s still legal to discriminate against individuals. That’s got to stop before spousal recognition will matter.

It’s sort of like the ERA. Who could believe that American women are still not entitled to equality under the law 35 years later? Or that reproductive choice is not settled law?

Marriage is not insignificant. The problem is that there’s about a 30-40 year backlog of normative jurisprudence on gender and sexuality issues. Democratic politicians need to say how they will deal with the backlog so they can get to equal marriage.

Don’t anyone ever let them off the hook. If they cave on marriage equality, the will cave on other forms of equality and on a cascade of choice issues.

For those who yap to me about “States rights,” i throw this type of thing back at them. A State’s rights should not trump an individual’s right to just and equal treatment under law. Regardless of gender, orientation, color, ethnicity, religion, etc.

PB @ 23

Anyway, snark aside, these are very important points to be made. (I’m very proud to say in this case that I live in California.)

The gay marriage stuff is all well and good but honestly these things are much more important, in my opinion. I’d let civil unions become established, because you know at some point courts will find them to be equivalent to marriage (I offer you a recent case in the UK which found a woman — married to a man and in a civil union with a woman — to be guilty of bigamy. Now you suddenly have a court precedence equating the two. So, “gay marriage”? Eh.

But as you so astutely lay out, eliminating blatant discrimination in employment, housing, and family structures are crucial…

Thanks. Your first comment was, um, cryptic.

And I’m hoping the Divorced and Alimony-Paying Mens Movement will get on board and recognize that registered domestic partnership is not marriage, because it hurts them too:

Alimony still required after ex-wife enters domestic partnership
July 24, 2007

LOS ANGELES – A judge has ordered a man to continue paying alimony to his ex-wife – even though she is in a registered domestic partnership with another woman and uses the other woman’s last name.

California marriage laws state alimony ends when a former spouse remarries, and Ron Garber thought that meant he was off the hook when he learned his ex-wife had registered her new relationship under the state’s domestic partnership law.

An Orange County judge didn’t see it that way.

The judge ruled that a registered partnership is cohabitation, not marriage, and Garber must keep writing the checks, $1,250 a month, to his ex-wife, Melinda Kirkwood. Garber plans to appeal.

heh

equal rights for all americans guaranteed under the constitution. it is about time we trash the folks that say it isn’t so. how can anyone justify parents not really being parents? not having the right to help their partner?
any candidate that doesn’t recognize rights for each and every one isn’t going to recognize health care for each and every one either, so forget them. it is time to make folks pay their taxes. remember, they can’t sell their crap in america if they don’t pay the taxes, so their complaints are noise.
time to exercise some collective bargaining, if we get the chance

Nobody wants special rights, just the rights everybody else has: the rights we don’t have. Is that really too much to ask in the twenty-first century?

NOT asking too much at all. We need to wake up the sleeper cells on this. The debate was a good thing. I cannot imagine major candidates of either party showing up for this debate in 2000. Progress has been made, but not for the parents or children that have lost out. Did you all see Rachel Maddow (Dr. Maddow) at C&L on this subject?

althespook @ 41

CTuttle @ 39

Evening, Ma Cheri! Nice Dive! One teensy little problem, our founding fathers actually weren’t as benevolent as you entail! Two reasons; 1) They really did mean Men, White Men specifically, and 2) Slavery was written into the Const. Black Men were 3/5ths of a Man!!!

But only for representatives in congress calculations, IIRC. Otherwise they were non-people, like women at the time. Of course, if you review the various writings about the Constitution, many decried the inclusion of slavery and said it was setting us up for disaster later. Nobody mentioned women in the same light though. Amazing the blind spots in even the most enlightened men.

Exactly, 70 years later they tragically worked it out, and, it was another 70 years for Women’s Suffrage!!!

Rayne @ 42

It’s away, alfred. You can reach me by return FaceB or through my blog at my login/signature in upper left corner of comment.

There’s another parallel story that I wish I could share, but I’ll wait for your assessment.

Off to bed, need to hit the hay before my first full week on the new job!!

I have it Rayne and have sent reply. Please send the other link as soon as you can. I want to do a major Ravings piece on this.

For those keeping score at home, Rayne say something I did earlier but could not find a link to, he’s provided that link. Bottom line, we’re not getting any troops out of Iraq except in body bags if the implications of this news report are correct. Steve Gillard (sp)’s worst nightmares may be about to come true.

And give Lute’s recent comments about a draft, the sudden willingness to use nuclear weapons against battlefield targets, and the eagerness to foment a new massive war in the entire region, I have a horrible suspicion it is no accident.

Why is it, one wonders, that clergy performing marriage ceremonies say the line, “By the power invested in me by the state of X, I now pronounce you man and wife”? Or how captains on ships can marry people? Most importantly, why must a marriage license be obtained from a government official at the court house before the marriage is considered legitimate?

Marriage in this country is not, nor has ever been as far as I can tell, a religious thing. Religion has a duplicate ceremonial concept they also call “marriage”, but marriage is the providence of government. I wish politicians would have the courage to make these points, but apparently pandering to the most superstitious in our society is necessary.

TeddySanFran @ 40

There really is no gay agenda. We’d just be happy with the exact same rights everyone else has. This “special rights” argument is crazy. But it’s working very effectively.

Tell your Dad “hey-girl” for me!

Heh. Yeah. Like the geeky near-Asperger’s engineer that my dad is would get “hey-girl”. Too funny.

Reminds me of the time the family was watching a goofy sitcom together; Dad turned and asked us what “Spee-Doh” meant in French; the characters had been using a mock French accent and talking about another character wearing a too small bathing suit. Yeesh. Love him, but he is completely clueless.

And I disagree, there is a “gay agenda”. It’s the same one the founding fathers had, that “American Colonists’ Agenda”, the one outlined initially in the Declaration of Independence and detailed in the Constitution. It’s the same agenda that the Native Americans and the occupied nation of Hawaii would have liked, and African-Americans and other persons of color still have to fight for. Oh, and women, women had to fight for it, too; they weren’t allowed to own property in their own names, or vote, and they still have to remind journalists they’re out here in the blogosphere. Yeah, that agenda. ;-)

Strategerie @ 36

The following was in the Seattle Times over the weekend. I present Charlene Strong, the partner of Kate Fleming. Kate did the voiceovers for hundreds of audiobooks during her career, and was professionally known as Anna Fields. Kate died in a flash flood of their home during the hurricane oops, windstorm Western Washington endured in December of ‘06.

I think about the last few hours of Ms. Fleming’s life, and Ms. Strong’s attempts to simply be with her partner, and it makes me so angry. Who are these people to deny some else the comfort of the one they love the most during what could be their dying moments, anyway?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.c…..ong09.html

-S

wow

Quakergirl, what do you mean by another one bites the dust?

TSF – Tex had a link she found a couple days ago about that church in Dallas who refused to hold the funeral service for a gay man when they found out he was gay.

Another one to add to that way too long list- they will even discriminate against the gay when dead.

Suzanne @ 55

TSF – Tex had a link she found a couple days ago about that church in Dallas who refused to hold the funeral service for a gay man when they found out he was gay.

Another one to add to that way too long list- they will even discriminate against the gay when dead.

And they had the unmitigated gall to end their press release with “but of course we still love the family.” Yeah right.

I keep thinking of my mom, going to grade school in the early 1900s, learning about all these “rights” and finally getting the right to vote—in 1920.
No wonder she loved Barbara Jordan so much.

Hey, that’s my video I put on You Tube. I converted it from a VCR tape I had of the 1993 MTV Clinton/Gore Inaugural ball. Thanks!

althespook @ 56

Suzanne @ 55

TSF – Tex had a link she found a couple days ago about that church in Dallas who refused to hold the funeral service for a gay man when they found out he was gay.

Another one to add to that way too long list- they will even discriminate against the gay when dead.

And they had the unmitigated gall to end their press release with “but of course we still love the family.” Yeah right.

The family deserved some space for rebuttal. About two words would have been enough if it were me.

burns, you should see hillman and furay. maybe souther will show up.

loudon, the mets game today was great. by all means see em against the nats, though the nats are tough at home.

teddysf, gotta say thanks for the video. i don’t think i have ever seen natalie quite so…what’s the word…lemme think…oh, yeah, HAPPY on stage. skipping and dancing and making merry. i knew she had it in her.

and now i do too. much obliged.

Rachel Maddow

tsf,
“Can you imagine going to work tomorrow and being told you’re fired because you are gay — or because someone thinks you are gay?“

no.
i can not imagine it.
it makes no sense.
in the same way it would make no sense to be able to be fired from your job just because you’re not gay.

Hey – TalkLeft in da’house! Hi Jeralyn!

EvilDrPuma @ 59

althespook @ 56

And they had the unmitigated gall to end their press release with “but of course we still love the family.” Yeah right.

The family deserved some space for rebuttal. About two words would have been enough if it were me.

It is important to remember this is Dallas, Texas. I grew up there, and when I left to live in Denver, Colorado I felt like I had been let out of prison. My dad and mom felt the same way when they retired here to san antonio.

Member, good ol’ girl Harriet Miers was from Dall-Ass, Highland Park to be specific. Where they used to arrest ANY black person (driver or passenger) who entered their little city-in-a-city for being “drunk in a car”. never mind that it wasn’t even an actual law.

Folks, meet Flossie!

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/ha2.html

Jeralyn Merritt @ 58

Hey, that’s my video I put on You Tube. I converted it from a VCR tape I had of the 1993 MTV Clinton/Gore Inaugural ball. Thanks!

ut oh – is this lawyer speak for teddy’s in trouble?

CTuttle @ 65

Folks, meet Flossie!

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/ha2.html

Is that sucker gonna get hawaii?

althespook @ 64

EvilDrPuma @ 59

The family deserved some space for rebuttal. About two words would have been enough if it were me.

It is important to remember this is Dallas, Texas. I grew up there, and when I left to live in Denver, Colorado I felt like I had been let out of prison. My dad and mom felt the same way when they retired here to san antonio.

Member, good ol’ girl Harriet Miers was from Dall-Ass, Highland Park to be specific. Where they used to arrest ANY black person (driver or passenger) who entered their little city-in-a-city for being “drunk in a car”. never mind that it wasn’t even an actual law.

Yeah, my brother lives in the Dallas area. I can’t imagine what a father of three sees in it…nothing I’d want my kids to learn, that’s for damned sure.

CTuttle @ 65

Folks, meet Flossie!

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/ha2.html

That looks a BIG storm. Any warnings out yet?

Jeralyn Merritt @ 58

Hey, that’s my video I put on You Tube. I converted it from a VCR tape I had of the 1993 MTV Clinton/Gore Inaugural ball. Thanks!

Thanks, Jeralyn, I never even looked to see who it belonged to! What a coincidence. It seemed to fit the post so well, and so sad that it was seventeen years ago.

dmg, thanks for the shout-out for the Nats! You never can count them out at RFK.

CTuttle @ 65

Folks, meet Flossie!

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/ha2.html

And landfall is expected when?

EvilDrPuma @ 68

althespook @ 64

It is important to remember this is Dallas, Texas. I grew up there, and when I left to live in Denver, Colorado I felt like I had been let out of prison. My dad and mom felt the same way when they retired here to san antonio.

Member, good ol’ girl Harriet Miers was from Dall-Ass, Highland Park to be specific. Where they used to arrest ANY black person (driver or passenger) who entered their little city-in-a-city for being “drunk in a car”. never mind that it wasn’t even an actual law.

Yeah, my brother lives in the Dallas area. I can’t imagine what a father of three sees in it…nothing I’d want my kids to learn, that’s for damned sure.

There are an awful lot of good white collar, hi tech jobs there…if you can stand the intellectual, social, political, and spiritual stench. I couldn’t.

althespook @ 67

CTuttle @ 65

Folks, meet Flossie!

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/ha2.html

Is that sucker gonna get hawaii?

They’re saying it’ll skirt south of us, yet, they won’t rule it out! It is following the same track as Iniki! We’re battening down the hatches tho!!! (Cat. 4!)

CTuttle @ 74

althespook @ 67

Is that sucker gonna get hawaii?

They’re saying it’ll skirt south of us, yet, they won’t rule it out! It is following the same track as Iniki! We’re battening down the hatches tho!!! (Cat. 4!)

Okay, everyone! start dumping the mental “hurricane kibble” in the seas south of HI. Hurricanes are easily fooled as long as you don’t let them see you doing it. And they’ll do a U-turn for hurricane kibble.

CT, take care out there and we’ll be hoping that it does miss you all entirely!

althespook @ 50

Bottom line, we’re not getting any troops out of Iraq except in body bags if the implications of this news report are correct. Steve Gillard (sp)’s worst nightmares may be about to come true.

Um, links for the rest of us, eh? Thanks.

on a light note, an old high school friend of mine who is into polyamory likes to refer to marriage as a “state certified f**king license.”

Evening all. Good post, Teddy. It really is so very simple, but so hard for the rightards and Christofascists to grasp.

“There really is no gay agenda. We’d just be happy with the exact same rights everyone else has. This “special rights” argument is crazy. But it’s working very effectively.”

TSF,
This is what my fellow museum co-staffers want too. Just the same rights everyone else has… and I have to say that the art museum environment provides this, even though we live in a state that won’t legally protect LGBT. And we also have some level of domestic partner rights.

hi folks,

just doing a drive by. this here is one tired pup. glad to see everyone up and feisty.

alfred, glad to see you back! how are you? your dad? and what ominous thing is you’re speaking of?

DrDick @ 79

Evening all. Good post, Teddy. It really is so very simple, but so hard for the rightards and Christofascists to grasp.

They seem to have difficulty grasping many simple things…including the core teachings of their favorite religion.

oddmommy @ 78

on a light note, an old high school friend of mine who is into polyamory likes to refer to marriage as a “state certified f**king license.”

Gay Shame, an anti-commercial rather anarchist SanFran organization, rails against the heterodoxy that is marriage.

I really wasn’t all that excited about marriage (or I’d be like Liz Taylor by now!) but when Gavin started minting licenses, gosh did I want one suddenly.

LoudounLib @ 18

Teddy, really excellent post tonight. I didn’t see it addressed after a couple of re-reads, but what about medical directives between partners? It’s bad enough that parents can’t make medical decisions for a child if one parent becomes incapacitated, but I’ve read stories about partners who have been prohibited from that as well.

I have known cases where the partner could not even visit the patient in intensive care.

AK, if you have a minute. This creeps me out. I had an email from Panama with floor plan changes I had requested on a condo. I kept this email for many months, just as a back up in case of a problem when the place is built.

Three weeks ago, my email service provider said that my box was full and no more emails could enter, despite that I kept it down to 20% or less full. It was suddenly 100% and accepting nothing more. Once I deleted the email from Panama, no problems. Again, that email had been in my box for months with no problems. Any thoughts?

Good evening dear friends.

TeddySanFran @ 83

oddmommy @ 78

on a light note, an old high school friend of mine who is into polyamory likes to refer to marriage as a “state certified f**king license.”

Gay Shame, an anti-commercial rather anarchist SanFran organization, rails against the heterodoxy that is marriage.

I really wasn’t all that excited about marriage (or I’d be like Liz Taylor by now!) but when Gavin started minting licenses, gosh did I want one suddenly.

Was it the Ninth circuit or the State Supreme Court that ordered a stop and desist order to Gavin?

TexBetsy @ 86

Good evening dear friends.

Evening, Ma’am!!!

Loo Hoo. @ 85

AK, if you have a minute. This creeps me out. I had an email from Panama with floor plan changes I had requested on a condo. I kept this email for many months, just as a back up in case of a problem when the place is built.

Three weeks ago, my email service provider said that my box was full and no more emails could enter, despite that I kept it down to 20% or less full. It was suddenly 100% and accepting nothing more. Once I deleted the email from Panama, no problems. Again, that email had been in my box for months with no problems. Any thoughts?

your email there probably got used as a spam bot. there are several new attacks on that score that are hitting third world ISP’s hard right now. Panama is high tech though and should sort it out quickly. Did you get the plans out okay?

oddmommy @ 78

on a light note, an old high school friend of mine who is into polyamory likes to refer to marriage as a “state certified f**king license.”

Oh, that is very similar to what the esteemed philosopher Immanuel Kant said: an agreement for the mutual use of sexual equipment. In Germany, this is a very well known statement.

I have a great bumper sticker to share with you. Anyone know how to enlarge and keep the resolution halfway decent?

Christine Edmonson @ 80

“There really is no gay agenda. We’d just be happy with the exact same rights everyone else has. This “special rights” argument is crazy. But it’s working very effectively.”

TSF,
This is what my fellow museum co-staffers want too. Just the same rights everyone else has… and I have to say that the art museum environment provides this, even though we live in a state that won’t legally protect LGBT. And we also have some level of domestic partner rights.

What we’ve recently learned, though, is that many corporations will go to great lengths to preserve their bottom line, even when states pass civil unions. In New Jersey, employees of UPS had to sue to get their sig-others covered, since the benefits policies specifically say “spouse.” ERISA federal benefits law allows the employer to define “spouse.”

It’s likely we’ll be fighting these battles state-by-state, case-by-case, on every level for every benefit. It seems so backwards to me. Perhaps marriage will solve some of the contradictions in the law, but there’s still the person somewhere in a workplace who feels unsafe:

5th Annual Out & Equal Workplace Survey Finds
LGBT Employees More Accepted

SAN FRANCISCO, May 22 (UPI) — The fifth annual Out & Equal Workplace Survey, a Harris Interactive/Witeck-Combs Communcations survey, reveals that 61 percent of U.S. adults think that companies should be free to offer partnership benefits to gay and lesbian employees.

The Survey also found that 72 percent of those questioned favor company non-discrimination policies that include sexual orientation, up from 63 percent in 2002.

Gays and lesbians included in the survey had a growing comfort level with being open about their orientation. Half said they would be comfortable displaying a same-sex partner’s photograph in the office, and 62 percent said they would be comfortable introducing same-sex partners to supervisors and other management.

In 2002, only 34 percent were comfortable with photographs and 41 percent with introductions.

Great post Teddy. Thanks for laying things out so clearly.

I got it all okay, Al. I guess I was just wondering if this was a sign of wire-net-tapping. Thanks.

TexBetsy @ 91

I have a great bumper sticker to share with you. Anyone know how to enlarge and keep the resolution halfway decent?

You’re right, that’s very to the point. Sad to say, I can’t help you with the enlargement.

Tex, get in touch with Millineryman via FB. He most likely can help.

EvilDrPuma @ 82

DrDick @ 79

Evening all. Good post, Teddy. It really is so very simple, but so hard for the rightards and Christofascists to grasp.

They seem to have difficulty grasping many simple things…including the core teachings of their favorite religion.

I would say, especially the core teachings of their favorite religion.

TexBetsy @ 91

I have a great bumper sticker to share with you. Anyone know how to enlarge and keep the resolution halfway decent?

That’s great.

‘No one has rights, unless we all have rights.’

I’m not violent by nature, but more and more often I must stifle the urge to scrawl that pithy epigram on some faith pimp or fascist’s forehead with a sharp object.

Respect for my gay brothers and sisters is not negotiable.

greenwarrior @ 81

hi folks,

just doing a drive by. this here is one tired pup. glad to see everyone up and feisty.

alfred, glad to see you back! how are you? your dad? and what ominous thing is you’re speaking of?

we are all surviving for the moment but a bit under seige medically and “spiritually”. things are looking hopeful tho. thanks so much for the kind thoughts, we all appreciate it very very much.

Rayne has provided a link i saw earlier from the non-us press about a major non-us iraqi arms deal going sour. if the ratio normally used in arms trafficking is still good, there have been about 14 other arms deals of similar size that have gone through undetected, probably for much deadlier stuff (MANPADS, teflon bullets, grenades, C4, name it.). If the iraqi army is secretly stocking up, they in all likelihood intend to use it on us when the time is right. Steve G is probably yelling at God right now about it.

Here is linky: http://www.live-pr.com/en/ital…..r17686.htm

DrDick @ 97

EvilDrPuma @ 82

They seem to have difficulty grasping many simple things…including the core teachings of their favorite religion.

I would say, especially the core teachings of their favorite religion.

Point well taken.

Strategerie at 36,

Kate Flemming was a good friend of a friend. My friend Jeff was absolutely torn up by her death and just worried sick for Charlene.

montag @ 77

althespook @ 50

Bottom line, we’re not getting any troops out of Iraq except in body bags if the implications of this news report are correct. Steve Gillard (sp)’s worst nightmares may be about to come true.

Um, links for the rest of us, eh? Thanks.

see my 100.

hey db

darkblack @ 99

‘No one has rights, unless we all have rights.’

I’m not violent by nature, but more and more often I must stifle the urge to scrawl that pithy epigram on some faith pimp or fascist’s forehead with a sharp object.

Respect for my gay brothers and sisters is not negotiable.

My sentiments exactly, DB!!! 8-)

LoudounLib @ 71

dmg, thanks for the shout-out for the Nats! You never can count them out at RFK.

manny acta should get some consideration for manager of the year. i do not know how they do it, but they are competitive. they had a major win against the dbacks today.

althespook @ 100

You know what, I cannot even blame them for wanting to throw us out. (This is just an emotional first response).

dmg @ 106

LoudounLib @ 71

dmg, thanks for the shout-out for the Nats! You never can count them out at RFK.

manny acta should get some consideration for manager of the year. i do not know how they do it, but they are competitive. they had a major win against the dbacks today.

I read a quote from Albert Pujols today where he said the same thing about Acta, and I agree. He’s a great motivator, and has been able to do so much despite injuries, etc. And that was a great win today :-)

TSF,
I’m going to look more into the Out & Equal Survey. In our “house” when we have parties and celebrate holidays, ALL partners are invited and accepted. I’ve met most of our same sex couples (many) and they are all “part of the family”, no matter what level, security or curatorial.

TSF@92
I am proud to say that, despite a lack of statutory protections for GLBT people in the state, the Montana University system (and state government as a whole) extends benefits to all domestic partners (straight or gay) and has done so for more than 10 years.

ON topic.
The Homosexual Agenda

Many of you have heard Dr. Laura, Pat Robertson, and others speak of the “Homosexual Agenda,” but no one has ever seen a copy of it. Since they are all so concerned about the “Homosexual Agenda”, I thought it might be helpful to have a copy so I asked a friend of mine, (who recently obtained a copy of the Homosexual Agenda directly from the Head Homosexual) if he would send me a copy. He did and now I am sharing it with all of you. I certainly hope it will assist you so that you will be prepared…..

The Homosexual Agenda

6:00 am Gym

8:00 am Breakfast (oatmeal, egg whites and mimosas)

9:00 am Hair appointment

10:00 am Shopping (preferably at Nordstrom’s or Saks)

12:00 pm Brunch

2:00 pm
1) Assume complete control of the U.S. Federal, state, and local governments, as well as all other forms of world government;
2) Destroy all healthy marriages;
3) Replace all school counselors in grades K-12 with agents from Colombian and Jamaican drug cartels;
4) Bulldoze all houses of worship;
5) secure total control of the INTERNET and all mass media;
6) be fabulous;

2:30 pm Mud mask and forty winks of beauty rest to prevent facial wrinkles from the stress of world conquest

4:00 pm Cocktails

6:00 pm Light Dinner (soup, salad with romaine, radicchio, arugula, and balsamic vinaigrette dressing, and Pouilly Fuisse)

8:00 pm Theater

10:30 pm “Do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight!”

**So now you know.

CT — it was the California Supremes who stopped Gavin’s wedding party. The case is still pending, of course, but the licenses have all been invalidated. Gavin’s popularity is 70% (we’re told) in San Francisco, and he has twelve opponents for his job this fall.

One is formerly jailed blogger Josh Wolf, there’s also Chicken John and some others, including one who got naked shortly after filing his papers Friday and a homeless taxi driver named Grasshopper.

mulligatawny @ 107

althespook @ 100

You know what, I cannot even blame them for wanting to throw us out. (This is just an emotional first response).

My concern is that this is the start of the “forced maintenance of the republican gains” that Rove and co are so smug about. Remember how sweetly Rove said, “The Iraq war won’t be a factor in 2008? Smarmy b*st*rd…

I was at a bar mitzvah yesterday where one of the honors was given to the (gay) uncle and his partner. Matter of course.

Evenin’, all.

This is family values at work.

TexB – go here to get the bumper sticker on Cafepress.

i looked into the legal basis for marriage while i was in college in the early seventies.
one thing i discovered was that for all the talk about the Marriage Contract, there was a lot of confusion that this was a contract between the people to be married.

FALSE.

the Marriage Contract is a contract the couple makes with the State
OR
should the State deem it necessary, the State may unilaterally bind the couple to the contract.

for instance, in Texas, should a couple hold themselves out to be husband and wife, then the State may insist that they are married.

Meanwhile, no one ever tells the happy couples this.
no one ever tells them what the Contract demands, what it’s provisions are.

and back then anyway there were bits and pieces of the Contract scattered through the law.

for instance, back then, in the criminal code, rape was a crime against a person, other than your wife. (!)
and this atrocity was expanded to include co-habitating couples too.
(so, you could legally rape your roommate)

this has since been repealed.

there was also the notion with it’s own precedents that a husband could KILL his rival if he found him with his wife in the sex act.
But he couldn’t kill his wife then.

even when all the provisions of the Contract are revealed, we see that the State operates marriage as its private franchise, with its claim in the interests of widows and children, and their family property.

Marriage has been and still is a contract the State imposes on the married, for the state’s benefit, presumably to protect spouses and children so they do not become a burden on the State.

(i am a married man)

we in my house believe same sex parents need very much all the protections and empowerment that marriage can afford them.

TeddySanFran @ 112

CT — it was the California Supremes who stopped Gavin’s wedding party. The case is still pending, of course, but the licenses have all been invalidated. Gavin’s popularity is 70% (we’re told) in San Francisco, and he has twelve opponents for his job this fall.

One is formerly jailed blogger Josh Wolf, there’s also Chicken John and some others, including one who got naked shortly after filing his papers Friday and a homeless taxi driver named Grasshopper.

ah for the days when jello biafra was running for mayor — and doing well.
that’s it, that’s all i got. am turning in early — waving my wings.
be good to each other.
night, all.

darkblack @ 99

‘No one has rights, unless we all have rights.’

I’m not violent by nature, but more and more often I must stifle the urge to scrawl that pithy epigram on some faith pimp or fascist’s forehead with a sharp object.

Respect for my gay brothers and sisters is not negotiable.

excuse me, db, but this is the ’sharp object’ you had in mind, right?

Hi, S. and CT.

Hard to believe we live in the 21st century sometimes, isn’t it?
Just so some poorly fired piece of clay, afraid of life and their own desires could pretend to own some high moral ground and inflict their occluded agenda on us all.

Mine enemies, now and forevermore.

dmg @ 117

TeddySanFran @ 112

CT — it was the California Supremes who stopped Gavin’s wedding party. The case is still pending, of course, but the licenses have all been invalidated. Gavin’s popularity is 70% (we’re told) in San Francisco, and he has twelve opponents for his job this fall.

One is formerly jailed blogger Josh Wolf, there’s also Chicken John and some others, including one who got naked shortly after filing his papers Friday and a homeless taxi driver named Grasshopper.

ah for the days when jello biafra was running for mayor — and doing well.
that’s it, that’s all i got. am turning in early — waving my wings.
be good to each other.
night, all.

night dmg

althespook @ 100

greenwarrior @ 81

hi folks,

just doing a drive by. this here is one tired pup. glad to see everyone up and feisty.

alfred, glad to see you back! how are you? your dad? and what ominous thing is you’re speaking of?

we are all surviving for the moment but a bit under seige medically and “spiritually”. things are looking hopeful tho. thanks so much for the kind thoughts, we all appreciate it very very much.

Rayne has provided a link i saw earlier from the non-us press about a major non-us iraqi arms deal going sour. if the ratio normally used in arms trafficking is still good, there have been about 14 other arms deals of similar size that have gone through undetected, probably for much deadlier stuff (MANPADS, teflon bullets, grenades, C4, name it.). If the iraqi army is secretly stocking up, they in all likelihood intend to use it on us when the time is right. Steve G is probably yelling at God right now about it.

Here is linky: http://www.live-pr.com/en/ital…..r17686.htm

The manpads would probably be the SA-7’s not Stingers, tho! It seems to be mostly soviet era armaments not American, per se! Not that that is any consolation yet it does facilitate ease and masks our participation in those arms deals!!!

DrDick @ 110

TSF@92
I am proud to say that, despite a lack of statutory protections for GLBT people in the state, the Montana University system (and state government as a whole) extends benefits to all domestic partners (straight or gay) and has done so for more than 10 years.

Isn’t it Michigan where the new state Family Marriage Amendment is being used to take down the university’s funding of these arrangements for straight and gay unmarried couples? As Dan Savage says, “you heterosexuals are next, you know! They won’t stop at just us.” Everyone is in their gunsights, really.

TexBetsy @ 111

ON topic.
The Homosexual Agenda

Many of you have heard Dr. Laura, Pat Robertson, and others speak of the “Homosexual Agenda,” but no one has ever seen a copy of it. Since they are all so concerned about the “Homosexual Agenda”, I thought it might be helpful to have a copy so I asked a friend of mine, (who recently obtained a copy of the Homosexual Agenda directly from the Head Homosexual) if he would send me a copy. He did and now I am sharing it with all of you. I certainly hope it will assist you so that you will be prepared…..

The Homosexual Agenda

6:00 am Gym

8:00 am Breakfast (oatmeal, egg whites and mimosas)

9:00 am Hair appointment

10:00 am Shopping (preferably at Nordstrom’s or Saks)

12:00 pm Brunch

2:00 pm
1) Assume complete control of the U.S. Federal, state, and local governments, as well as all other forms of world government;
2) Destroy all healthy marriages;
3) Replace all school counselors in grades K-12 with agents from Colombian and Jamaican drug cartels;
4) Bulldoze all houses of worship;
5) secure total control of the INTERNET and all mass media;
6) be fabulous;

2:30 pm Mud mask and forty winks of beauty rest to prevent facial wrinkles from the stress of world conquest

4:00 pm Cocktails

6:00 pm Light Dinner (soup, salad with romaine, radicchio, arugula, and balsamic vinaigrette dressing, and Pouilly Fuisse)

8:00 pm Theater

10:30 pm “Do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight!”

**So now you know.

Does the Head Homosexual have a name and email address or perhaps a web site? I mean, Libberacce (sp) has been gone for quite a while…

althespook @ 113

mulligatawny @ 107

althespook @ 100

You know what, I cannot even blame them for wanting to throw us out. (This is just an emotional first response).

My concern is that this is the start of the “forced maintenance of the republican gains” that Rove and co are so smug about. Remember how sweetly Rove said, “The Iraq war won’t be a factor in 2008? Smarmy b*st*rd…

What do you mean by forced maintenance of rep. gains? Sorry if I am dense here…

The Lurking Mod @ 118

excuse me, db, but this is the ’sharp object’ you had in mind, right?

That’ll do…Is it a permanent marker?

CTuttle @ 121

althespook @ 100

we are all surviving for the moment but a bit under seige medically and “spiritually”. things are looking hopeful tho. thanks so much for the kind thoughts, we all appreciate it very very much.

Rayne has provided a link i saw earlier from the non-us press about a major non-us iraqi arms deal going sour. if the ratio normally used in arms trafficking is still good, there have been about 14 other arms deals of similar size that have gone through undetected, probably for much deadlier stuff (MANPADS, teflon bullets, grenades, C4, name it.). If the iraqi army is secretly stocking up, they in all likelihood intend to use it on us when the time is right. Steve G is probably yelling at God right now about it.

Here is linky: http://www.live-pr.com/en/ital…..r17686.htm

The manpads would probably be the SA-7’s not Stingers, tho! It seems to be mostly soviet era armaments not American, per se! Not that that is any consolation yet it does facilitate ease and masks our participation in those arms deals!!!

I don’t think we’re participating. If we are that’s great, but it worries me.

althespook @ 123

TexBetsy @ 111

ON topic.
The Homosexual Agenda

Many of you have heard Dr. Laura, Pat Robertson, and others speak of the “Homosexual Agenda,” but no one has ever seen a copy of it. Since they are all so concerned about the “Homosexual Agenda”, I thought it might be helpful to have a copy so I asked a friend of mine, (who recently obtained a copy of the Homosexual Agenda directly from the Head Homosexual) if he would send me a copy. He did and now I am sharing it with all of you. I certainly hope it will assist you so that you will be prepared…..

The Homosexual Agenda

6:00 am Gym

8:00 am Breakfast (oatmeal, egg whites and mimosas)

9:00 am Hair appointment

10:00 am Shopping (preferably at Nordstrom’s or Saks)

12:00 pm Brunch

2:00 pm
1) Assume complete control of the U.S. Federal, state, and local governments, as well as all other forms of world government;
2) Destroy all healthy marriages;
3) Replace all school counselors in grades K-12 with agents from Colombian and Jamaican drug cartels;
4) Bulldoze all houses of worship;
5) secure total control of the INTERNET and all mass media;
6) be fabulous;

2:30 pm Mud mask and forty winks of beauty rest to prevent facial wrinkles from the stress of world conquest

4:00 pm Cocktails

6:00 pm Light Dinner (soup, salad with romaine, radicchio, arugula, and balsamic vinaigrette dressing, and Pouilly Fuisse)

8:00 pm Theater

10:30 pm “Do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight!”

**So now you know.

Does the Head Homosexual have a name and email address or perhaps a web site? I mean, Libberacce (sp) has been gone for quite a while…

Let’s put Teddy in charge. That should be fun.

As Dan Savage says, “you heterosexuals are next, you know! They won’t stop at just us.” Everyone is in their gunsights, really.

Boy, is that ever the truth. We have a “Little Italy” here that won’t rent to unmarried couples. Sheesh.

althespook @ 100

greenwarrior @ 81

hi folks,

just doing a drive by. this here is one tired pup. glad to see everyone up and feisty.

alfred, glad to see you back! how are you? your dad? and what ominous thing is you’re speaking of?

we are all surviving for the moment but a bit under seige medically and “spiritually”. things are looking hopeful tho. thanks so much for the kind thoughts, we all appreciate it very very much.

Rayne has provided a link i saw earlier from the non-us press about a major non-us iraqi arms deal going sour. if the ratio normally used in arms trafficking is still good, there have been about 14 other arms deals of similar size that have gone through undetected, probably for much deadlier stuff (MANPADS, teflon bullets, grenades, C4, name it.). If the iraqi army is secretly stocking up, they in all likelihood intend to use it on us when the time is right. Steve G is probably yelling at God right now about it.

Here is linky: http://www.live-pr.com/en/ital…..r17686.htm

thanks for the link. it’s not pretty.

and i’m glad to hear you’re holding up. i’d been worried.

TeddySanFran @ 112

CT — it was the California Supremes who stopped Gavin’s wedding party. The case is still pending, of course, but the licenses have all been invalidated. Gavin’s popularity is 70% (we’re told) in San Francisco, and he has twelve opponents for his job this fall.

One is formerly jailed blogger Josh Wolf, there’s also Chicken John and some others, including one who got naked shortly after filing his papers Friday and a homeless taxi driver named Grasshopper.

Hah! Sounds like a typical SF Mayoral race to me!!! *g*

Christine Edmonson @ 128

As Dan Savage says, “you heterosexuals are next, you know! They won’t stop at just us.” Everyone is in their gunsights, really.

Boy, is that ever the truth. We have a “Little Italy” here that won’t rent to unmarried couples. Sheesh.

And what the hell would they think of my family?

I think the position of Head Homosexual was only recently vacated.

As if Nancy Reagan hasn’t been through enough!

RIP Merv…

DrDick @ 110

TSF@92
I am proud to say that, despite a lack of statutory protections for GLBT people in the state, the Montana University system (and state government as a whole) extends benefits to all domestic partners (straight or gay) and has done so for more than 10 years.

there is a substantial gay community in Montana, isn’t there?
Another old friend of mine grew up in the state — somewhere near Missoula, I believe — with her mom and her mom’s then longtime partner. Her mom was a forester…..in later years, reluctantly moved to Oregon because there weren’t any more jobs in Montana.

TexBetsy @ 131

Christine Edmonson @ 128

As Dan Savage says, “you heterosexuals are next, you know! They won’t stop at just us.” Everyone is in their gunsights, really.

Boy, is that ever the truth. We have a “Little Italy” here that won’t rent to unmarried couples. Sheesh.

And what the hell would they think of my family?

I don’t know Aunt Betsy, but I know that your cooking would win anyone over…
how are you, dear?

TeddySanFran @ 122

DrDick @ 110

TSF@92
I am proud to say that, despite a lack of statutory protections for GLBT people in the state, the Montana University system (and state government as a whole) extends benefits to all domestic partners (straight or gay) and has done so for more than 10 years.

Isn’t it Michigan where the new state Family Marriage Amendment is being used to take down the university’s funding of these arrangements for straight and gay unmarried couples? As Dan Savage says, “you heterosexuals are next, you know! They won’t stop at just us.” Everyone is in their gunsights, really.

I can’t remember the state, but I saw that as well. Montana is pretty conservative generally, but I don’t think that kind of move would gain any traction here. It goes against the generally libertarian spirit of the state. You are right though. These crazed zealots are out to regulate everyone’s sex lives.

althespook @ 103

montag @ 77

Um, links for the rest of us, eh? Thanks.

see my 100.

Got it. Ain’t good.

TeddySanFran @ 132

I think the position of Head Homosexual was only recently vacated.

Please G*d don’t let Richard Simmons be next in succession

;>)

Christine Edmonson @ 128

As Dan Savage says, “you heterosexuals are next, you know! They won’t stop at just us.” Everyone is in their gunsights, really.

Boy, is that ever the truth. We have a “Little Italy” here that won’t rent to unmarried couples. Sheesh.

You mean like a hotel?

Speaking of hotels, I was really taken aback by Midwestern Values when checking in to the Hyatt McCormick, to be asked by the youngster at the front desk, in a LOUD voice, “I have you down for a king size bed — you want TWO BEDS, right?” Wow.

darkblack @ 125

The Lurking Mod @ 118

excuse me, db, but this is the ’sharp object’ you had in mind, right?

That’ll do…Is it a permanent marker?

Personally, I think it should be tattooed in neo ink on their foreheads.

Christine Edmonson @ 135

TexBetsy @ 131

And what the hell would they think of my family?

I don’t know Aunt Betsy, but I know that your cooking would win anyone over…
how are you, dear?

Doing just fine but did not cook a single thing today!

Cooking much tomorrow. Last of the big family dinners. Then most of them leave.

TeddySanFran @ 139

Christine Edmonson @ 128

As Dan Savage says, “you heterosexuals are next, you know! They won’t stop at just us.” Everyone is in their gunsights, really.

Boy, is that ever the truth. We have a “Little Italy” here that won’t rent to unmarried couples. Sheesh.

You mean like a hotel?

Speaking of hotels, I was really taken aback by Midwestern Values when checking in to the Hyatt McCormick, to be asked by the youngster at the front desk, in a LOUD voice, “I have you down for a king size bed — you want TWO BEDS, right?” Wow.

No, no, I mean a small neighborhood, a horrid neighborhood near the University where many students live because the rents are low.
Boy, what an ass the “youngster” was …

oddmommy @ 134

DrDick @ 110

TSF@92
I am proud to say that, despite a lack of statutory protections for GLBT people in the state, the Montana University system (and state government as a whole) extends benefits to all domestic partners (straight or gay) and has done so for more than 10 years.

there is a substantial gay community in Montana, isn’t there?
Another old friend of mine grew up in the state — somewhere near Missoula, I believe — with her mom and her mom’s then longtime partner. Her mom was a forester…..in later years, reluctantly moved to Oregon because there weren’t any more jobs in Montana.

There is a significant GLBT community in Montana, but it tends to be concentrated in a few of the bigger cities (Billings, Missoula, Great Falls, Helena, Butte, Bozeman, and Kailspel). Missoula was recently named one of the most Gay friendly cities in the US by on og the GLBT publications.

LoudounLib @ 133

RIP Merv…

HE was in charge?

Does David Geffen know?

DrDick @ 140

Personally, I think it should be tattooed in neo ink on their foreheads.

Perhaps Samoan style. So the memory can linger, longer.

TeddySanFran @ 139

Christine Edmonson @ 128

As Dan Savage says, “you heterosexuals are next, you know! They won’t stop at just us.” Everyone is in their gunsights, really.

Boy, is that ever the truth. We have a “Little Italy” here that won’t rent to unmarried couples. Sheesh.

You mean like a hotel?

Speaking of hotels, I was really taken aback by Midwestern Values when checking in to the Hyatt McCormick, to be asked by the youngster at the front desk, in a LOUD voice, “I have you down for a king size bed — you want TWO BEDS, right?” Wow.

I was asked the same thing, but Loo Hoo and I DID want 2 beds.

mulligatawny @ 124

althespook @ 113

My concern is that this is the start of the “forced maintenance of the republican gains” that Rove and co are so smug about. Remember how sweetly Rove said, “The Iraq war won’t be a factor in 2008? Smarmy b*st*rd…

What do you mean by forced maintenance of rep. gains? Sorry if I am dense here…

Okay, here it goes:

Most of us have sensed that the rethugs don’t believe that they will lose what they have gained (loss of civil rights, control of the msm, loss of congressional oversight, control of SCOTUS) when chimpy goes bye bye. we have all wondered about a coup or fixed election or false flag op. I’ve never bought into it because all those scenarios end up wrecking the country, and anyone with brains enough to set such a strategy in motion knows it. So, what’s the deal?

We have heard that Bush intends to leave Iraq for the next dem president. He wants to clobber iran before he leaves as well. Pakistan at the moment seems out of reach. but just tossing a wrecked iran and wrecked iraq into the dem pres’s lap won’t be enough. so what else could be done?

suppose the us military in iraq is actually devastated. 40,000 dead, 50,000 gravely wounded. all heavy equipment lost. turkey invades and crushes the kurds, finally. iran is blamed for the disaster and hit with devastating cruise missile attacks against its infrastructure under the disguise of “attacking military targets”. Perhaps a tac nuke or even a city buster is dropped in iraq in revenge or whatever. spin this scenario as far as you like.

The DOMESTIC angle is what interests me. First, we’d have to have a draft. Lots of exemptions for “college students” like before to protect the upper and middle classes. Also, continue the war hysteria to restoration of civil liberties isn’t easily possible. And we’d have to rebuilt the military, lots of lovely war spending. But due to the credit crunch, we can’t keep borrowing. we also can’t reign in the chinese due to their threat to stop buying our bonds. so we have to cut social services and raise taxes (dems do that don’t they. evil evil evil) No universal healthcare, no election reform (Iranian terrorists are rigging our elections!), not even repeal of dadt if the military stonewalls it (and they will at present). And gas is terribly high (5$ a gallon when you can get it) so we have to drill in the ANWR and offshore and all the other places not currently available in the us.

And it won’t go well, of course. so things are set up nicely for 2010 and 2012. “Incompetent democrats are losing the war for mideast peace and prolonging the energy crunch! Vote for 3$ gas like the good old days! vote rethuglican.

Any questions?

TexBetsy @ 131

Christine Edmonson @ 128

As Dan Savage says, “you heterosexuals are next, you know! They won’t stop at just us.” Everyone is in their gunsights, really.

Boy, is that ever the truth. We have a “Little Italy” here that won’t rent to unmarried couples. Sheesh.

And what the hell would they think of my family?

I think their heads would explode.

Suzanne @ #3:

“Teddy, I remember being taught in grade school that the phrase from our Founding Fathers that all men are created equal meant exactly that. Equal. No differences. The same.”

But We Are Not Men, Suzanne. (Cue Devo)

We’re fags and dykes.

And from childhood we are never made to forget that. And we never do. That’s why so many of us hate ourselves so much. That’s why so many of us are perfectly satisfied with the condescending “sympathy” of straight politicians like Hillary.

TeddySanFran @ 132

I think the position of Head Homosexual was only recently vacated.

As if Nancy Reagan hasn’t been through enough!

you are an EVIL EVIL person…

TexBetsy @ 141

Christine Edmonson @ 135

I don’t know Aunt Betsy, but I know that your cooking would win anyone over…
how are you, dear?

Doing just fine but did not cook a single thing today!

Cooking much tomorrow. Last of the big family dinners. Then most of them leave.

Aah, I cooked our family Sunday Meal; Glazed Ham w/Pineapple slices, with homemade mashed potatoes and corn on the cob, followed by Apple Pie(I cheated-store bought)!!!

CTuttle @ 130

TeddySanFran @ 112

CT — it was the California Supremes who stopped Gavin’s wedding party. The case is still pending, of course, but the licenses have all been invalidated. Gavin’s popularity is 70% (we’re told) in San Francisco, and he has twelve opponents for his job this fall.

One is formerly jailed blogger Josh Wolf, there’s also Chicken John and some others, including one who got naked shortly after filing his papers Friday and a homeless taxi driver named Grasshopper.

Hah! Sounds like a typical SF Mayoral race to me!!! *g*

If only Jello Biafra had defeated DiFi back then!!

The Hon. Jello Biafra has a nice ring to it.

darkblack @ 145

DrDick @ 140

Personally, I think it should be tattooed in neo ink on their foreheads.

Perhaps Samoan style. So the memory can linger, longer.

I must protest a tad, that’s not just Samoan, it’s Polynesian!!! :P

Jello Biafra and Jane Hamsher are good friends from back then.

My daughter has been the legal domestic partner of a fellow who is in the German diplomatic corps for 2 years. The German government pays for their holiday travel back to Germany once a year and includes the “spouse” in the arrangements. They just changed the rules. People who were married and same sex partners would still be covered, but those domestic partners who were heterosexual couples either needed to pay for the spouse’s airfare or get hitched. My daughter and her spouse got hitched on Friday. She was annoyed they had changed the rules, but admitted that they were probably eventually going to get transferred someplace that didn’t recognize the domestic partnership, (New Zealand does) and so knew that eventually they would end up married, so it wasn’t a big deal, just an unexpected expense. In spite of the slight inconvenience to her, she is a liberal girl. She said, “Well, at least they are still paying for the gay folks. You gotta love the Germans.”

CTuttle @ 151

TexBetsy @ 141

Doing just fine but did not cook a single thing today!

Cooking much tomorrow. Last of the big family dinners. Then most of them leave.

Aah, I cooked our family Sunday Meal; Glazed Ham w/Pineapple slices, with homemade mashed potatoes and corn on the cob, followed by Apple Pie(I cheated-store bought)!!!

Last night’s dinner party: lots of appetizers courtesy of Trader Joe’s; grilled salmon and mango salsa, peach pie still warm– that is what real friendship is really about (we were seven all told).

David Ehrenstein @ 149

Suzanne @ #3:

“Teddy, I remember being taught in grade school that the phrase from our Founding Fathers that all men are created equal meant exactly that. Equal. No differences. The same.”

But We Are Not Men, Suzanne. (Cue Devo)

We’re fags and dykes.

And from childhood we are never made to forget that. And we never do. That’s why so many of us hate ourselves so much. That’s why so many of us are perfectly satisfied with the condescending “sympathy” of straight politicians like Hillary.

I apologize if my statement sounded condescending. That was not my intent at all – my intent was that equal should mean equal – the same – no different.

Again, my apologies.

CTuttle @ 154

darkblack @ 145

Perhaps Samoan style. So the memory can linger, longer.

I must protest a tad, that’s not just Samoan, it’s Polynesian!!! :P

Actually many Native American groups employed similar technique. The Indians of the southeastern US practiced the same kind of full body tattooing as the Polynesians (different designs though). Indians of the Pacific Northwest also practiced extensive tattooing.

CTuttle @ 154

I must protest a tad, that’s not just Samoan, it’s Polynesian!!! :P

Even better…an inclusive style is best.

;>)

puppethead @ #21:

“Marriage in this country is not, nor has ever been as far as I can tell, a religious thing.”

Correct! I’ve done my best to explain this to everyone, over and over and over again

Nothing you can do about people’s THICK SKULLS!!!

althespook @ 75

CTuttle @ 74

They’re saying it’ll skirt south of us, yet, they won’t rule it out! It is following the same track as Iniki! We’re battening down the hatches tho!!! (Cat. 4!)

Okay, everyone! start dumping the mental “hurricane kibble” in the seas south of HI. Hurricanes are easily fooled as long as you don’t let them see you doing it. And they’ll do a U-turn for hurricane kibble.

I’d be really happy if it would stall about 300 miles off the coast of SoCal and dump rain on us for about a week.

althespook @ 147

This is much appreciated, thanks. Yes in a not very outspoken way I had wondered about an election coup.

burnspbesq @ 162

althespook @ 75

Okay, everyone! start dumping the mental “hurricane kibble” in the seas south of HI. Hurricanes are easily fooled as long as you don’t let them see you doing it. And they’ll do a U-turn for hurricane kibble.

I’d be really happy if it would stall about 300 miles off the coast of SoCal and dump rain on us for about a week.

That’s harder. they tend to break up after about two days scarfing the kibble. I’ll call R and D and start them working on a Hurricane Kibble 2.0. We’ll have it done Real Soon Now.

burns, we could use that too — and no Atlantic storms in sight.

Christine Edmonson @ 157

CTuttle @ 151

Aah, I cooked our family Sunday Meal; Glazed Ham w/Pineapple slices, with homemade mashed potatoes and corn on the cob, followed by Apple Pie(I cheated-store bought)!!!

Last night’s dinner party: lots of appetizers courtesy of Trader Joe’s; grilled salmon and mango salsa, peach pie still warm– that is what real friendship is really about (we were seven all told).

I only cheated on the pie! Now, that’s an interesting statement…!!! ;-)

mulligatawny @ 163

althespook @ 147

This is much appreciated, thanks. Yes in a not very outspoken way I had wondered about an election coup.

Wurmser, cheney’s “associate”, wanted one, based on a false flag nuke. Scowcroft handed him his cojones and told him to clean out his desk. he did. those of us in the spook biz all breathed a lot easier at that point.

Suzanne, your statement was just fine.

No apology required.

burnspbesq @ 162

althespook @ 75

Okay, everyone! start dumping the mental “hurricane kibble” in the seas south of HI. Hurricanes are easily fooled as long as you don’t let them see you doing it. And they’ll do a U-turn for hurricane kibble.

I’d be really happy if it would stall about 300 miles off the coast of SoCal and dump rain on us for about a week.

Can we have a little of that up here in Montana? Hasn’t rained in over a month. Idaho could use some too. They have been sending a ton of smoke our way today

Speaking of Iraq and gays. That nation has taken a decidedly bad turn against gays since He Who Destroys All decided to march into Baghdad.

I don’t think gays were very overt before, but hey also were not targets for death as they have become.

Another dual reason for the Bush faithful. They must believe that to be a good result.

-GSD

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burnspbesq @ 162

althespook @ 75

Okay, everyone! start dumping the mental “hurricane kibble” in the seas south of HI. Hurricanes are easily fooled as long as you don’t let them see you doing it. And they’ll do a U-turn for hurricane kibble.

I’d be really happy if it would stall about 300 miles off the coast of SoCal and dump rain on us for about a week.

We could definitely use the rain, just hold the wind and storm surge, thank you very much!!!

DrDick @ 169

burnspbesq @ 162

I’d be really happy if it would stall about 300 miles off the coast of SoCal and dump rain on us for about a week.

Can we have a little of that up here in Montana? Hasn’t rained in over a month. Idaho could use some too. They have been sending a ton of smoke our way today

Guys, Hurricanes are in OCEANS. You don’t live near one. Talk to the Crustal Plate people, my company only does hurricanes and dawdlecanes.

CTuttle @ 166

Christine Edmonson @ 157

Last night’s dinner party: lots of appetizers courtesy of Trader Joe’s; grilled salmon and mango salsa, peach pie still warm– that is what real friendship is really about (we were seven all told).

I only cheated on the pie! Now, that’s an interesting statement…!!! ;-)

Oh, CTuttle, please say it in French! We only cheated on the apps. The pie was fresh!

Christine Edmonson @ 174

CTuttle @ 166

I only cheated on the pie! Now, that’s an interesting statement…!!! ;-)

Oh, CTuttle, please say it in French! We only cheated on the apps. The pie was fresh!

Oh, ghod, not the french again…

David Ehrenstein @ 161

puppethead @ #21:

“Marriage in this country is not, nor has ever been as far as I can tell, a religious thing.”

Correct! I’ve done my best to explain this to everyone, over and over and over again

Nothing you can do about people’s THICK SKULLS!!!

Actually, as an anthropologist, I have to say (and do so routinely in my classes) that marriage is fundamentally a social and legal contract and that in most cultures in the world it is not a religious event (this is true of Islam). The families may seek a religious blessing for the couple, but that is incidental.

CTuttle @ 172

burnspbesq @ 162

I’d be really happy if it would stall about 300 miles off the coast of SoCal and dump rain on us for about a week.

We could definitely use the rain, just hold the wind and storm surge, thank you very much!!!

The R and D people hate you.

No need to apologize Suzanne. You don’t make the rules. They were made by the Heterosexual Dictatorship (Christopher Isherwood’s term) at the close of the 19th Century when “Homosexuality” was invented — thus bringing “Heterosexuality” into being (See
Jonathan “Ned” Katz’s The Invention of Heterosexuality )

DrDick @ 176

David Ehrenstein @ 161

puppethead @ #21:

Correct! I’ve done my best to explain this to everyone, over and over and over again

Nothing you can do about people’s THICK SKULLS!!!

Actually, as an anthropologist, I have to say (and do so routinely in my classes) that marriage is fundamentally a social and legal contract and that in most cultures in the world it is not a religious event (this is true of Islam). The families may seek a religious blessing for the couple, but that is incidental.

And IIRC, isn’t ownership of land, property, rights of guild membership and so on a big part of that in less “advanced” cultures?

Christine Edmonson @ 174

CTuttle @ 166

I only cheated on the pie! Now, that’s an interesting statement…!!! ;-)

Oh, CTuttle, please say it in French! We only cheated on the apps. The pie was fresh!

Hmmm… I already had plans for chicken cordon bleu, and, later au gratin potatoes w/ham!!!

DrDick @ 176

Actually, as an anthropologist, I have to say (and do so routinely in my classes) that marriage is fundamentally a social and legal contract and that in most cultures in the world it is not a religious event (this is true of Islam). The families may seek a religious blessing for the couple, but that is incidental.

Yet I think the real solution to the issue is to make marriage a religious contract and make the rights and benefits – regardless of orientation – a civil one. So you register your partnership – of whatever stripe you like – with the state to formalize the rights TSF talked about above, and marry – or not – in the church of your choice.

My church will marry gays – who cares about the ones that wouldn’t?

althespook @ 179

And IIRC, isn’t ownership of land, property, rights of guild membership and so on a big part of that in less “advanced” cultures?

The contract spells out reciprocal rights and privileges among the involved parties (which often include the whole families), but these vary widely. Much of it is about rights in children and children’s rights in their parents and the parents’ families.

David Ehrenstein @ 178

No need to apologize Suzanne. You don’t make the rules. They were made by the Heterosexual Dictatorship (Christopher Isherwood’s term) at the close of the 19th Century when “Homosexuality” was invented — thus bringing “Heterosexuality” into being (See
Jonathan “Ned” Katz’s The Invention of Heterosexuality )

Thanks for clarifying – I’ve had a previous case of foot (or font) in mouth disease this week and didn’t want a repeat performance.

More subhuman despicableness.The Rush Limbaugh’s frat-pranks behind the scenes.

-GSD

THe Gay Agenda is fairly simple:

1) Track lighting

2) Mandatory gym membership

3) Remedial Sondheim Classes

4) Kay Thompson’s head on Mount Rushmore

5) “Vicicous Word” as the New National Anthem

Thought that maybe we’d fall in love over the phone
Thought that maybe I’d really love being alone
Everybody but Heaven knows how I was wrong

Oh Lord, what have I done to myself?
What have I done to myself?

In this vicious world
Such a vicious world
There isn’t anything you can do
In this vicious world

Soaking on the ice, makin’ eyes all by myself
Didn’t realize you were so top of the shelf
Just you want and see when you turn, turn 23

Oh Lord, what have I done to myself?
What have I done to myself?

In this vicious world
Such a vicious world
There isn’t anything you can do
In this vicious world
Such a vicious world
There isn’t anything you can do
In this vicious world
There isn’t anything you can do
In this vicious world”

LoudounLib @ 165

burns, we could use that too — and no Atlantic storms in sight.

No NYSFC in sight at the market tonight — will you settle for Haagen-Dazs Chocolate Chocolate Chip?

DrDick @ 182

althespook @ 179

And IIRC, isn’t ownership of land, property, rights of guild membership and so on a big part of that in less “advanced” cultures?

The contract spells out reciprocal rights and privileges among the involved parties (which often include the whole families), but these vary widely. Much of it is about rights in children and children’s rights in their parents and the parents’ families.

Thanks. What I’m getting at is that with the advent of the de facto propertyless middle class of the industrial era, except for the commitment to work and earn money to care for children and spouse, marriage pretty much because outdated. I suspect that various social shaping forces and actors came together to recast is as “sex without marriage is EVIL” to reclaim it for both the state and organized religions of the time.

Happy to be shown where I went wrong tho…

burnspbesq @ 186

LoudounLib @ 165

burns, we could use that too — and no Atlantic storms in sight.

No NYSFC in sight at the market tonight — will you settle for Haagen-Dazs Chocolate Chocolate Chip?

absolutely — thanks!

OT (but hey, it’s Late Night) — you don’t have to be an Obama fan to find this from the WaPo magazine interesting reading.

Thank, TexB, for the Godbold. That’s enlightening.

Late C-Span One alert, 2 am edt, 11 pdt:

Political Issues and Current Events
YearlyKos Convention
Christy Hardin Smith , Firedoglake.com
Taylor Marsh , Taylormarsh.com
43 minutes

Here’s a reposted link: BushCo’s Communitarianism

Note that the article is from 2001 –
Yet still relevant wrt how the right is trying to organize our society.

If you say, “Country over Party” they will
agree with you. Thing is, their interpretation is much different –

Right: Communitarian v. Individual
Left: Constitution & Bill of Rights v. Politically enforced conformity

See also: Cartoon at DWT

newtonusr @ 191

Late C-Span One alert, 2 am edt, 11 pdt:

Political Issues and Current Events
YearlyKos Convention
Christy Hardin Smith , Firedoglake.com
Taylor Marsh , Taylormarsh.com
43 minutes

Cool.

Evening all.

Dessert is served.

TexBetsy @ 194

Dessert is served.

Is that white chocolate fondue (drool)?

WaPoO chatz tomorrow; questions accepted anytime!

Anne Kornblut at 11am eastern.

“One Bullet Away” author Nathaniel Fick on his time at the Afghanistan Counterinsurgency Academy at 11am eastern.

Liza Mundy on her Barack Obama profile in the Sunday magazine at Noon eastern

althespook @ 100

Rayne has provided a link i saw earlier from the non-us press about a major non-us iraqi arms deal going sour. if the ratio normally used in arms trafficking is still good, there have been about 14 other arms deals of similar size that have gone through undetected, probably for much deadlier stuff (MANPADS, teflon bullets, grenades, C4, name it.). If the iraqi army is secretly stocking up, they in all likelihood intend to use it on us when the time is right. Steve G is probably yelling at God right now about it.

Here is linky: http://www.live-pr.com/en/ital…..r17686.htm

Hmmm, personally, I think it’s more likely the Shia faction of the Iraqi government is trying to buy all the stuff we won’t sell them because we don’t trust them, so they can be sure they’ll win the civil war once we leave. From the beginning, the Bushies have claimed they expect the Iraqi Army to start defending their country and taking over security duties, but won’t supply them with a single tank or helicopter (unless there’s been a change that I haven’t heard about.)

That’s great for the late night sweet tooth…thanks Tex!

Well, I’m off to bed. Classes start in a couple of weeks and I have to get ready for them. Lots of work to do over the next couple of weeks. Take care and enjoy the snark.

Fondue party. Thanks TexB.

-GSD

P.S. Chimpanomics is in its last throes, if you will.

g’night DrD, sleep well.

notes that DrD mentions classes starting in a couple of weeks, and wonders where the summer has gone…

TexBetsy @ 194

Dessert is served.

hmmpfh hooo (swallowing) thank you

LoudounLib @ 202

notes that DrD mentions classes starting in a couple of weeks, and wondering where the summer has gone…

Summer has gone the way of our innocence.

Great post Teddy, thanks for laying it all out.

TexBetsy you have mail.

DrDick @ 199

Well, I’m off to bed. Classes start in a couple of weeks and I have to get ready for them. Lots of work to do over the next couple of weeks. Take care and enjoy the snark.

sleep well, dr. (pause) dick!

GSD @ 200

Fondue party. Thanks TexB.

-GSD

P.S. Chimpanomics is in its last throes, if you will.

Moving to Norway…

newtonusr @ 191

Late C-Span One alert, 2 am edt, 11 pdt:

Political Issues and Current Events
YearlyKos Convention
Christy Hardin Smith , Firedoglake.com
Taylor Marsh , Taylormarsh.com
43 minutes

Thanks, newtonusr. Wish I had Tivo in case I konk out…

G’nite, Dr. D.

I’m out as well. Be well, everybody.

Redshift @ 197

althespook @ 100

Rayne has provided a link i saw earlier from the non-us press about a major non-us iraqi arms deal going sour. if the ratio normally used in arms trafficking is still good, there have been about 14 other arms deals of similar size that have gone through undetected, probably for much deadlier stuff (MANPADS, teflon bullets, grenades, C4, name it.). If the iraqi army is secretly stocking up, they in all likelihood intend to use it on us when the time is right. Steve G is probably yelling at God right now about it.

Here is linky: http://www.live-pr.com/en/ital…..r17686.htm

Hmmm, personally, I think it’s more likely the Shia faction of the Iraqi government is trying to buy all the stuff we won’t sell them because we don’t trust them, so they can be sure they’ll win the civil war once we leave. From the beginning, the Bushies have claimed they expect the Iraqi Army to start defending their country and taking over security duties, but won’t supply them with a single tank or helicopter (unless there’s been a change that I haven’t heard about.)

And the scenario I’ve described is WHY we won’t sell them helos or tanks. but enough riflemen can still do the trick…I hope you’re right of course. I just worry.

LoudounLib @ 202

notes that DrD mentions classes starting in a couple of weeks, and wonders where the summer has gone…

baby girl starts college this wednesday (big sigh)

Mary, that’s deep.

And newton — I’ve been idly thinking of a haven for post-retirement….Norway?

Mutant Poodle @ 209

G’nite, Dr. D.

I’m out as well. Be well, everybody.

Night MP!

g’night MP, sleep well.

Suzanne @ 211

LoudounLib @ 202

notes that DrD mentions classes starting in a couple of weeks, and wonders where the summer has gone…

baby girl starts college this wednesday (big sigh)

It’s when HER kid starts college it really hits you…or so I’ve heard….

LoudounLib @ 212

Mary, that’s deep.

And newton — I’ve been idly thinking of a haven for post-retirement….Norway?

No Harper, no Howard, market up (a skosh).

althespook @ 215

Suzanne @ 211

baby girl starts college this wednesday (big sigh)

It’s when HER kid starts college it really hits you…or so I’ve heard….

Well I’m still a relative young’un, and that’s why the fact that my niece will be a sophomore in HS this year has really hit me ;-)

Nite Sleepers!!!

hmmmm newton, food for thought ;-)

Millineryman @ 205

Great post Teddy, thanks for laying it all out.

TexBetsy you have mail.

You are welcome. There’s lots more than what I laid out, folks have provided some great links in comments as well.

Thanks for this post. As a hetero type of person, I admit to sometimes feeling nervous when the issue of gay marriage comes up, since I have felt at times that it used as a litmus test, both by my politically opinionated liberal and conservative friends and family. And especially some of my Christian friends, and I am a Christian, or at least am considered to be one by at least a couple of my fellow congregation, I think. Few people I know seem to find my preferred solution acceptable, which is to dump the idea of a civil marriage legal status that has any religious hint or overtone at all whatsoever, which I find a little creepy from a separation of church or state point of view.

So, the gummint does civil unions, period, which is about legal rights and responsibilities required for maintaining social welfare and order, and respecting personal wishes about whom they wish to associate with and with whom to have certain legal powers and responsibilities. You want a civil union, there a list of qualifications and reasons for said qualifications. There is an official paper that explains the partners’ rights and responsibilities. You want some religious deal, go to a church of your choice and they’ll do a religious ceremony. I think if some churches are all worried about protecting the sanctity of their idea of marriage, they can have their definition of holy matrimony and defend it all by themselves just fine. You want get all romantic and drunkenly gushy and celebrate with your friends, go rent a hall and have a party.

I think my approach would simplify some legal problems involved in some archaic and vicious things that occur with hetero marriage in some churches.

I won’t be running for office any time soon.

The marriage thing is a real bugaboo with the conservatives. When I am challenged by social conservatives about these ‘special rights’ gays supposedly want, I always ask them to list in detail what these special rights are that gays are demanding. I don’t know what they really think, but about the only thing that comes up is the marriage business. Maybe they really think some one having the right not to be fired for what the boss thinks about your lifestyle, or thinks s/he knows about your lifestyle, or what s/he thinks about the way you walk and talk or don’t walk and talk, is a special right. But very few are willing to say such a mean and bigoted thing out loud. A few have bizarre fantasies that gays want the right to have sex out in the reception area at work, or take drugs all day, but most of them seem to be projecting, at least that is my sense.

I cannot figure out why white male heterosexuals are the ones in power. Was it simple because they put gun powder to a rotten use by inventing the gun?

marymccurnin @ 222

I cannot figure out why white male heterosexuals are the ones in power. Was it simple because they put gun powder to a rotten use by inventing the gun?

If you haven’t noticed, from Bill O’Reilly, to Rupert Murdoch to Poppy Bush, they have been falling down as of late.

-GSD

marymccurnin @ 222

I cannot figure out why white male heterosexuals are the ones in power. Was it simple because they put gun powder to a rotten use by inventing the gun?

They aren’t. King James, for example, (yes the one who did the KJV bible beloved of fundies) was clearly gay. There have been many other examples. What they WERE was white (anglo saxon or at least northern european) and male. The dominance of male over female goes all the way back to the invention of war in the fertile crescent, which prior to that was dominated by female-oriented societies focussed on gods of agricultural and herd fertility and prosperity. Then some “Nimrod” (who IIRC “invented hunting people” aka war according to the targums and the torah) found out how easy it is to kill people and that was that.

The reason “out” homosexuals have been demonized in most cases is that they don’t breed. if people don’t breed we don’t have any new soldiers to keep the partriarchial war machine going. therefore homosexuals bad. What the rulers and oligarchs do when the door is closed isn’t homosexuality, its none of the helots’ business.

Clear as blood-soaked mud?

Suzanne @ 211

LoudounLib @ 202

notes that DrD mentions classes starting in a couple of weeks, and wonders where the summer has gone…

baby girl starts college this wednesday (big sigh)

Ah Suz, a milestone for sure. But…a really good one!

marymccurnin @ 222

I cannot figure out why white male heterosexuals are the ones in power. Was it simple because they put gun powder to a rotten use by inventing the gun?

Better stories to tell in the cave if you were a hunter, rather than a gatherer?

After all, much of what happens in life is because of the stories we’re told and tell each other… look at what the world is like now because of the fairy tales the right-wing has been telling for decades….

althespook @ 210

And the scenario I’ve described is WHY we won’t sell them helos or tanks. but enough riflemen can still do the trick…I hope you’re right of course. I just worry.

I agree it is worth worrying about. I think the main reasons they want more advanced weapons are to have a real military once we leave, and to win the civil war, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t turn them against our forces if they thought it would be to their advantage. Right now, however, the elites are only surviving in power because our forces are supporting them, so I’m inclined to believe they won’t see it as being to their advantage to attack us.

In addition to not trusting them, it’s clear that the Bush Administration would rather have a puppet government that they can use as a prop for domestic politics than a government that can stand on its own but might disagree with them. Arguably, the real danger point for our troops may come when it’s clear that the next administration is going to pull the troops out, and the current puppet elites need to prove their nationalist credentials.

burns, are you still around?

LoudounLib @ 212

Mary, that’s deep.

And newton — I’ve been idly thinking of a haven for post-retirement….Norway?

You’d have to be very wealthy to retire in Norway LL, sorry to say… Think Central America and your retirement dollars will make you feel wealthy!

I’ve been giving serious thought to where I could go – should I need to. So far, all I’ve come up with is packing my backpack and heading to Canada.

althespook @ 224

marymccurnin @ 222

I cannot figure out why white male heterosexuals are the ones in power. Was it simple because they put gun powder to a rotten use by inventing the gun?

They aren’t. King James, for example, (yes the one who did the KJV bible beloved of fundies) was clearly gay. There have been many other examples. What they WERE was white (anglo saxon or at least northern european) and male. The dominance of male over female goes all the way back to the invention of war in the fertile crescent, which prior to that was dominated by female-oriented societies focussed on gods of agricultural and herd fertility and prosperity. Then some “Nimrod” (who IIRC “invented hunting people” aka war according to the targums and the torah) found out how easy it is to kill people and that was that.

The reason “out” homosexuals have been demonized in most cases is that they don’t breed. if people don’t breed we don’t have any new soldiers to keep the partriarchial war machine going. therefore homosexuals bad. What the rulers and oligarchs do when the door is closed isn’t homosexuality, its none of the helots’ business.

Clear as blood-soaked mud?

It’s rather amusing that we’ve glamorized the noble Hunter role, when in reality, we were never the hunter-gatherer, we were rather scavenger-gatherer!!!

Redshift @ 227

althespook @ 210

And the scenario I’ve described is WHY we won’t sell them helos or tanks. but enough riflemen can still do the trick…I hope you’re right of course. I just worry.

I agree it is worth worrying about. I think the main reasons they want more advanced weapons are to have a real military once we leave, and to win the civil war, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t turn them against our forces if they thought it would be to their advantage. Right now, however, the elites are only surviving in power because our forces are supporting them, so I’m inclined to believe they won’t see it as being to their advantage to attack us.

In addition to not trusting them, it’s clear that the Bush Administration would rather have a puppet government that they can use as a prop for domestic politics than a government that can stand on its own but might disagree with them. Arguably, the real danger point for our troops may come when it’s clear that the next administration is going to pull the troops out, and the current puppet elites need to prove their nationalist credentials.

exactly. also, i just realized that in all likelihood the arms deal is for a militia or private army to set it up after the us withdrawal to be part of the scramble for power.

That, BTW, is why i think we CAN get out safely. The various factions don’t want to expend their people and firepower on US because when we’re gone they have to be able to survive against the militias who DIDN’T attack. Like the lion who lets the younger lions fight each other almost to death and then strolls in and kills both of them. Natural selection, political version.

Loo Hoo, thanks — wealthy I ain’t! But I don’t think I could take the heat of Central America; the cool temps of the north of England beckon, and I wouldn’t mind exploring even cooler climes than that.

CTuttle @ 231

althespook @ 224

They aren’t. King James, for example, (yes the one who did the KJV bible beloved of fundies) was clearly gay. There have been many other examples. What they WERE was white (anglo saxon or at least northern european) and male. The dominance of male over female goes all the way back to the invention of war in the fertile crescent, which prior to that was dominated by female-oriented societies focussed on gods of agricultural and herd fertility and prosperity. Then some “Nimrod” (who IIRC “invented hunting people” aka war according to the targums and the torah) found out how easy it is to kill people and that was that.

The reason “out” homosexuals have been demonized in most cases is that they don’t breed. if people don’t breed we don’t have any new soldiers to keep the partriarchial war machine going. therefore homosexuals bad. What the rulers and oligarchs do when the door is closed isn’t homosexuality, its none of the helots’ business.

Clear as blood-soaked mud?

It’s rather amusing that we’ve glamorized the noble Hunter role, when in reality, we were never the hunter-gatherer, we were rather scavenger-gatherer!!!

And what about this assumption that women don’t hunt. I hate assumptions.

LoudounLib @ 233

Loo Hoo, thanks — wealthy I ain’t! But I don’t think I could take the heat of Central America; the cool temps of the north of England beckon, and I wouldn’t mind exploring even cooler climes than that.

Exactly why I was thinking Canada.

Suzanne @ 235

LoudounLib @ 233

Loo Hoo, thanks — wealthy I ain’t! But I don’t think I could take the heat of Central America; the cool temps of the north of England beckon, and I wouldn’t mind exploring even cooler climes than that.

Exactly why I was thinking Canada.

I hear BC is lovely :-)

marymccurnin @ 234

CTuttle @ 231

It’s rather amusing that we’ve glamorized the noble Hunter role, when in reality, we were never the hunter-gatherer, we were rather scavenger-gatherer!!!

And what about this assumption that women don’t hunt. I hate assumptions.

The notion of family and clan grew out of the necessity of banding together to survive, one and all working together as a unit!

CTuttle @ 231

althespook @ 224

They aren’t. King James, for example, (yes the one who did the KJV bible beloved of fundies) was clearly gay. There have been many other examples. What they WERE was white (anglo saxon or at least northern european) and male. The dominance of male over female goes all the way back to the invention of war in the fertile crescent, which prior to that was dominated by female-oriented societies focussed on gods of agricultural and herd fertility and prosperity. Then some “Nimrod” (who IIRC “invented hunting people” aka war according to the targums and the torah) found out how easy it is to kill people and that was that.

The reason “out” homosexuals have been demonized in most cases is that they don’t breed. if people don’t breed we don’t have any new soldiers to keep the partriarchial war machine going. therefore homosexuals bad. What the rulers and oligarchs do when the door is closed isn’t homosexuality, its none of the helots’ business.

Clear as blood-soaked mud?

It’s rather amusing that we’ve glamorized the noble Hunter role, when in reality, we were never the hunter-gatherer, we were rather scavenger-gatherer!!!

And remember the monkey wrench the last ice age (8000 BC) threw into things. we have no idea if an advanced small society existed prior to the asteroid hits that cause that mini-iceage, although from the prevalence of flood myths around the world it is clear that some civilization existed. (To land dwellers with no science, a big comet or asteroid ocean hit near land would send a tsunami across the land, as tall as the tallest mountains (not really but it would sure LOOK that way) and the primitive term for big destructive mass of water is “flood”. and the crap thrown up by the impacts would cause massive rainfall, thus the “world ended by rain” myths, including the Judeo-Christian one. (They even have an odd refernce to “the wellsprings of the watery deep being broken open”. Maybe “Noah” happened to see one of the asteroids hit!))

We’re lucky any humans survived at all…

oh, and austrailia/nz weren’t affected, no idea why. explains all the weird mammals there; they didn’t drown like most of the rest of the world did in the aftermath.

LL, BC is on my list of places to visit – everything I’ve seen or heard about it sounds like it may just be my cup of tea.

This patriarchy thing is a passing fad, I hope. Social fads take a very long time to pass in certain cultures, but they do go. As the economic, cultural and religious forces that gave it an advantage fade away, people will lose interest. Look at the wingnuts, lead by old washed up white guys who are sceered of everything, and very resentful over exaclty what is hard to tell.

There have been matriarchies switched to patriarchies in recent history, often for social and economic reasons. If the US had honored their treaty commitments to the Cherokee, Choctaw and Chickasaw, etc. and they were allowed to stay where they had every right to stay, a large chunk of the US Southeast would be matriachy now. Serioius matriarchy. And if some Northeast Native Americans had been left alone on their land as recognized by treaty, matriarchies there too, some with polyandry, which I think would enrich the culture quite a bit.

I’ve read that early travelers to the Southeast wrote that you could tell when you entered Cherokee, Choctaw, etc, Native American areas because everything looked so much nicer, more developed and civiilized than the European areas. Neater cabins, more prosperous farms, etc. But we made them switch at gunpoint, or forcing legal systems on them they didn’t want with gunpoint not very far in the background.

Suz, my best friend has two sisters who live in Victoria, and from what she says it is a really nice locale.

althespook @ 238

CTuttle @ 231

It’s rather amusing that we’ve glamorized the noble Hunter role, when in reality, we were never the hunter-gatherer, we were rather scavenger-gatherer!!!

And remember the monkey wrench the last ice age (8000 BC) threw into things. we have no idea if an advanced small society existed prior to the asteroid hits that cause that mini-iceage, although from the prevalence of flood myths around the world it is clear that some civilization existed. (To land dwellers with no science, a big comet or asteroid ocean hit near land would send a tsunami across the land, as tall as the tallest mountains (not really but it would sure LOOK that way) and the primitive term for big destructive mass of water is “flood”. and the crap thrown up by the impacts would cause massive rainfall, thus the “world ended by rain” myths, including the Judeo-Christian one. (They even have an odd refernce to “the wellsprings of the watery deep being broken open”. Maybe “Noah” happened to see one of the asteroids hit!))

We’re lucky any humans survived at all…

oh, and austrailia/nz weren’t affected, no idea why. explains all the weird mammals there; they didn’t drown like most of the rest of the world did in the aftermath.

It was probably the one that struck near the Yucatan Peninsula, thereby shielding much of the Pacific Basin!

Redshift @ 227

althespook @ 210

And the scenario I’ve described is WHY we won’t sell them helos or tanks. but enough riflemen can still do the trick…I hope you’re right of course. I just worry.

I agree it is worth worrying about. I think the main reasons they want more advanced weapons are to have a real military once we leave, and to win the civil war, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t turn them against our forces if they thought it would be to their advantage.

Umm, anybody wanting to start a military from scratch these days would want air power. If you want a guided civilian uprising, you want small arms. That makes everyone actually dangerous, rather than potentially dangerous.

It’s possible that the Shia militias are just planning for the day when they can establish absolute control (not sure anyone in the current Ministry of the Interior actually likes the idea of power-sharing with the Sunnis), but it could also be for the express purpose of mounting very large-scale attacks on entrenched US bases (those permanent bases we say don’t exist and none of the Iraqis want us to have).

Even the Dems in this country are hedging on whether all or some of the troops leave. I doubt seriously that the Iraqis are unaware of that, and don’t like it a bit.

Either way, it’s gonna be a mess.

wesgpc @ 240

This patriarchy thing is a passing fad, I hope. Social fads take a very long time to pass in certain cultures, but they do go. As the economic, cultural and religious forces that gave it an advantage fade away, people will lose interest. Look at the wingnuts, lead by old washed up white guys who are sceered of everything, and very resentful over exaclty what is hard to tell.

There have been matriarchies switched to patriarchies in recent history, often for social and economic reasons. If the US had honored their treaty commitments to the Cherokee, Choctaw and Chickasaw, etc. and they were allowed to stay where they had every right to stay, a large chunk of the US Southeast would be matriachy now. Serioius matriarchy. And if some Northeast Native Americans had been left alone on their land as recognized by treaty, matriarchies there too, some with polyandry, which I think would enrich the culture quite a bit.

I’ve read that early travelers to the Southeast wrote that you could tell when you entered Cherokee, Choctaw, etc, Native American areas because everything looked so much nicer, more developed and civiilized than the European areas. Neater cabins, more prosperous farms, etc. But we made them switch at gunpoint, or forcing legal systems on them they didn’t want with gunpoint not very far in the background.

I once drove from Missouri into Arkansas. Not to dump on AR, but the change was instant and frightening. From neat, freshly painted houses with neat pretty gardens to masses of rusting wrecked cars and houses that looked like they were built in the early 1900’s and hadn’t had any work done on them since.

Your comment woke up that odd old memory.

CTuttle @ 242

althespook @ 238

And remember the monkey wrench the last ice age (8000 BC) threw into things. we have no idea if an advanced small society existed prior to the asteroid hits that cause that mini-iceage, although from the prevalence of flood myths around the world it is clear that some civilization existed. (To land dwellers with no science, a big comet or asteroid ocean hit near land would send a tsunami across the land, as tall as the tallest mountains (not really but it would sure LOOK that way) and the primitive term for big destructive mass of water is “flood”. and the crap thrown up by the impacts would cause massive rainfall, thus the “world ended by rain” myths, including the Judeo-Christian one. (They even have an odd refernce to “the wellsprings of the watery deep being broken open”. Maybe “Noah” happened to see one of the asteroids hit!))

We’re lucky any humans survived at all…

oh, and austrailia/nz weren’t affected, no idea why. explains all the weird mammals there; they didn’t drown like most of the rest of the world did in the aftermath.

It was probably the one that struck near the Yucatan Peninsula, thereby shielding much of the Pacific Basin!

No chixulub was much older, 65 million years. The last ice age was 10K years, because we have carbon dated walrus bones from boston harbor to back it up. (They were looking for MIT and were peeved it wasn’t there…)

Hmmmm.

The CIA recently updated its policies on Freedom of Information Act requests to allow bloggers to qualify for special treatment once reserved for old-school reporters. And last August, the NSA issued a directive to its employees to report leaks of classified information to the media — “including blogs,” the order said.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thebl…..-oks-.html

wigwam @ 246

Hmmmm.

The CIA recently updated its policies on Freedom of Information Act requests to allow bloggers to qualify for special treatment once reserved for old-school reporters. And last August, the NSA issued a directive to its employees to report leaks of classified information to the media — “including blogs,” the order said.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thebl…..-oks-.html

Holy Molies!

Are we legit at last?

althespook @ 247

wigwam @ 246

Hmmmm. http://blogs.abcnews.com/thebl…..-oks-.html

Holy Molies!

Are we legit at last?

God I hope not.

Breaking News:

Oscar the Death Cat spotted jumping on to Tommy Thomspons’ bed.

-GSD

montag @ 243

Redshift @ 227

I agree it is worth worrying about. I think the main reasons they want more advanced weapons are to have a real military once we leave, and to win the civil war, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t turn them against our forces if they thought it would be to their advantage.

Umm, anybody wanting to start a military from scratch these days would want air power. If you want a guided civilian uprising, you want small arms. That makes everyone actually dangerous, rather than potentially dangerous.

It’s possible that the Shia militias are just planning for the day when they can establish absolute control (not sure anyone in the current Ministry of the Interior actually likes the idea of power-sharing with the Sunnis), but it could also be for the express purpose of mounting very large-scale attacks on entrenched US bases (those permanent bases we say don’t exist and none of the Iraqis want us to have).

Even the Dems in this country are hedging on whether all or some of the troops leave. I doubt seriously that the Iraqis are unaware of that, and don’t like it a bit.

Either way, it’s gonna be a mess.

As I understand it, these bases will have very large kill zones around them, mined and all that, and there are helos and warthogs (army close support aircraft but i suspect you knew that) at them with instuctions to blow away any area nearby from which an attack comes. And they are designed to be supplied from the air.

mess, yes. how bad, remains to be seen.

GSD @ 249

Breaking News:

Oscar the Death Cat spotted jumping on to Tommy Thomspons’ bed.

-GSD

707!

wigwam @ 246

Hmmmm.

The CIA recently updated its policies on Freedom of Information Act requests to allow bloggers to qualify for special treatment once reserved for old-school reporters. And last August, the NSA issued a directive to its employees to report leaks of classified information to the media — “including blogs,” the order said.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thebl…..-oks-.html

Hmmm… I’m sure Marcy would utilize it…!!!

marymccurnin @ 248

althespook @ 247

Holy Molies!

Are we legit at last?

God I hope not.

Amen sister.

GSD @ 249

Breaking News:

Oscar the Death Cat spotted jumping on to Tommy Thomspons’ bed.

-GSD

Heh, Howzabout McCain!!! ;-)

GSD @ 249

Breaking News:

Oscar the Death Cat spotted jumping on to Tommy Thomspons’ bed.

-GSD

He skulked away though, realizing he was too late.

althespook @ 247

Holy Molies!

Are we legit at last?

Not necessarily. Reporters were considered as working for commercial enterprises, and were often assessed the charges for extracting and copying information under FOIA. But, they couldn’t have their requests denied automatically because they were acting in the public interest.

What this does is give bloggers one additional advantage in that they’re treated as acting in the public interest or in the furtherance of scholarship, but, it’s likely they won’t have the fees waived as frequently as before. The
Bushies have been using the tactic of charging full fees to, particularly, frustrate the FOIA requests of environmental non-profits.

newtonusr @ 255

GSD @ 249

Breaking News:

Oscar the Death Cat spotted jumping on to Tommy Thomspons’ bed.

-GSD

He skulked away though, realizing he was too late.

Who’s next?

LL and Suz, give me warmth! Canada is so beautiful, and I want to explore, but live where you have to use heat??? Scares me in case of a fuel problem.

Sammy Brownbags is the next one up.

-GSD

P.S. The Muslim fundies are just as nuts as our fundies too.

Loo Hoo. @ 258

LL and Suz, give me warmth! Canada is so beautiful, and I want to explore, but live where you have to use heat??? Scares me in case of a fuel problem.

Plenty of trees up North!!!

Loo Hoo. @ 258

LL and Suz, give me warmth! Canada is so beautiful, and I want to explore, but live where you have to use heat??? Scares me in case of a fuel problem.

Global warming will turn Canada into Florida.

Look on the bright side.

-GSD

Loo Hoo. @ 258

LL and Suz, give me warmth! Canada is so beautiful, and I want to explore, but live where you have to use heat??? Scares me in case of a fuel problem.

LooHoo, I already carry around my own personal summer – why would I want to be hotter (fanning face)?

Night pups.

-GSD

Suzanne @ 239

LL, BC is on my list of places to visit – everything I’ve seen or heard about it sounds like it may just be my cup of tea.

BC is wonderful, but not inexpensive. Of course, the sun goes down at 4pm in the wintertime, so it’s not great for the SAD among us.

It’s much easier to keep warm than to cool down (also fanning face)

GSD @ 263

Night pups.

-GSD

Nite, GSD!!!

althespook @ 250

As I understand it, these bases will have very large kill zones around them, mined and all that, and there are helos and warthogs (army close support aircraft but i suspect you knew that) at them with instuctions to blow away any area nearby from which an attack comes. And they are designed to be supplied from the air.

All true. Now, you have a human wave coming at you of half a million irregulars, a significant number of whom are quite willing to die, to go running through those minefields pell-mell (hell, Iran used kids to do that in the Iran-Iraq war), and you’ve got 30,000 soldiers concentrated in one relatively small area.

You’ll get just the sort of losses you were describing….

nite gsd

(waving to all the sleepy pups leaving that I missed while walking Token, the cutest dog in the world – 8 lb category)

My turn, as I have hit the wall…good night everyone!

Loo Hoo. @ 258

LL and Suz, give me warmth! Canada is so beautiful, and I want to explore, but live where you have to use heat??? Scares me in case of a fuel problem.

Same reason, well the opposite I guess, that I’ve nixed Palm Springs. In the coming Long Emergency, I want to be where water and coolness are plentiful.

LoudounLib @ 265

It’s much easier to keep warm than to cool down (also fanning face)

That’s why you need balmy climes, such as here in Hawai’i! ‘Cept for the pesky hurricanes once in a blue moon!!! *g*

LoudounLib @ 270

My turn, as I have hit the wall…good night everyone!

Nite, Ma’am!!!

TSF, my mom lives in Palm Springs but is selling their place and they are going to move to Phoenix area. I think she is going in the wrong direction but they like the heat.

TeddySanFran @ 271

Loo Hoo. @ 258

LL and Suz, give me warmth! Canada is so beautiful, and I want to explore, but live where you have to use heat??? Scares me in case of a fuel problem.

Same reason, well the opposite I guess, that I’ve nixed Palm Springs. In the coming Long Emergency, I want to be where water and coolness are plentiful.

Yes, desert scares me for the same reason. Takes me back to Central America!

montag @ 267

althespook @ 250

As I understand it, these bases will have very large kill zones around them, mined and all that, and there are helos and warthogs (army close support aircraft but i suspect you knew that) at them with instuctions to blow away any area nearby from which an attack comes. And they are designed to be supplied from the air.

All true. Now, you have a human wave coming at you of half a million irregulars, a significant number of whom are quite willing to die, to go running through those minefields pell-mell (hell, Iran used kids to do that in the Iran-Iraq war), and you’ve got 30,000 soldiers concentrated in one relatively small area.

You’ll get just the sort of losses you were describing….

human waves have to be assembled in the surrounding area. with modern sat and predator and etc intel, the minute one starts to form it gets napalmed and gatling guned (spooky gunships) and cluster bombed. viable in the old wars but not so much in the new.

Unfortunately, i suspect we’ll see a few thousand iraqis die learning that…

(ectoplasmic wave to all sleepy pups heading off to bed…)

Al The Spook @ 277

(ectoplasmic wave to all sleepy pups heading off to bed…)

Likewise, I’m pretty sure.

Loo Hoo. @ 278

Al The Spook @ 277

(ectoplasmic wave to all sleepy pups heading off to bed…)

Likewise, I’m pretty sure.

I’m doing an all-nighter. will be here for a while…

Al The Spook @ 276

montag @ 267

All true. Now, you have a human wave coming at you of half a million irregulars, a significant number of whom are quite willing to die, to go running through those minefields pell-mell (hell, Iran used kids to do that in the Iran-Iraq war), and you’ve got 30,000 soldiers concentrated in one relatively small area.

You’ll get just the sort of losses you were describing….

human waves have to be assembled in the surrounding area. with modern sat and predator and etc intel, the minute one starts to form it gets napalmed and gatling guned (spooky gunships) and cluster bombed. viable in the old wars but not so much in the new.

Unfortunately, i suspect we’ll see a few thousand iraqis die learning that…

I agree, but, we’ve more in our intel arsenal than the predator and sat telemetry, we’ve colt and Q-systems at our disposal too!!!

Well then explicky ectoplasmic! Please.

Time for me to move towards sleep

CTuttle @ 280

I agree, but, we’ve more in our intel arsenal than the predator and sat telemetry, we’ve colt and Q-systems at our disposal too!!!

And, into the Valley of Death rode the 600….

AK – did you figure out how to get the spaces in your name and keep your f? i noticed your handle changed tonight.

Night, Betsy. Sleep the sleep of the angels!

pain free sleep wishes, tex

nite betsy

Loo Hoo. @ 281

Well then explicky ectoplasmic! Please.

ectoplasm is what ghosts (spooks) are made of. it glows and seems to have form but cannot be touched.

We actually have a photo of one from england. the military physics wonks are going apeshit. I told them thirty years ago it is tachyon matter phased onto our side of the einstein barrier. some of them are beginning to believe me.

TexBetsy @ 282

Time for me to move towards sleep

Sleep well, Ma’am!!!

TexBetsy @ 282

Time for me to move towards sleep

Sleep well, Ma’am!!!

dang, CT, stereo

Oops!!!

Suzanne @ 284

AK – did you figure out how to get the spaces in your name and keep your f? i noticed your handle changed tonight.

no, unfortunately, i just changed to my laptop. my dad wanted to sit up and read and so it’s my turn to sit up with him (he can’t be left unsupervised anymore, unfortunately…) anyway i’m not autologged in here, so i typed things in manually

thanks ak, cause you don’t have your f

Suzanne @ 294

thanks ak, cause you don’t have your f

so true. sic transit gloria “f”

(virtuously NOT making sexual innuendoes..)

Al The Spook @ 293

Suzanne @ 284

AK – did you figure out how to get the spaces in your name and keep your f? i noticed your handle changed tonight.

no, unfortunately, i just changed to my laptop. my dad wanted to sit up and read and so it’s my turn to sit up with him (he can’t be left unsupervised anymore, unfortunately…) anyway i’m not autologged in here, so i typed things in manually

Aah, that’s why you’re pulling the all-niter! Bless you!!! :-)

one last link before i go:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..y-debates/

In the wake of this week’s Human Rights Campaign/LOGO debates, Air America Radio talk show host, Rachel Maddow had a few words to say about it — but her commentary wasn’t directed at the politicians, it was the group sponsoring it and the people asking the questions. Dr. Maddow wonders why the group sponsoring the debate doesn’t have the word gay in it, and also why the ex-girlfriend of a soon-to-be GOP presidential candidate was part of the panel. Interesting…

CTuttle @ 292

Oops!!!

laughing – i think it is an occasional firefox glitch – when i discover i’m doing a synchronized dive (accidently) i’ve been able to solve it by closing firefox and then restarting it. haven’t had to reboot the entire system – just firefox.

CTuttle @ 296

Al The Spook @ 293

no, unfortunately, i just changed to my laptop. my dad wanted to sit up and read and so it’s my turn to sit up with him (he can’t be left unsupervised anymore, unfortunately…) anyway i’m not autologged in here, so i typed things in manually

Aah, that’s why you’re pulling the all-niter! Bless you!!! :-)

Thanks. He’s so sweet, but he forgets he can’t walk unaided anymore and falls down. Not having any of that thank you very much. so we use a webcam and if he’s awake at night one of us has to be with him until he falls asleep.

TeddySanFran @ 271

In the coming Long Emergency, I want to be where water and coolness are plentiful.

When I chose to leave Seattle to live in Alaska 35 years ago, those were among my considerations. Little did I know that the Long Emergency would keep deferring its onset. Turns out all I got for the deal was a helluva good place to raise my kids and a wonderful life. Oh, yeah – water and coolness ARE plentiful.

TexBetsy @ 297

one last link before i go:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..y-debates/

In the wake of this week’s Human Rights Campaign/LOGO debates, Air America Radio talk show host, Rachel Maddow had a few words to say about it — but her commentary wasn’t directed at the politicians, it was the group sponsoring it and the people asking the questions. Dr. Maddow wonders why the group sponsoring the debate doesn’t have the word gay in it, and also why the ex-girlfriend of a soon-to-be GOP presidential candidate was part of the panel. Interesting…

thought provoking as always TexB. Sleep wel.

Hello ET

hey ET – back home?

AK, you are a wonderful son. Even if your dad forgets to say so, you know that he loves you and appreciates all that you do.

hey ET got a lovely widescreen wallpaper of the area where you live you lucky dog. I didn’t envy you before but I do now…

new threadnitude

Ed*ard Teller @ 300

TeddySanFran @ 271

In the coming Long Emergency, I want to be where water and coolness are plentiful.

When I chose to leave Seattle to live in Alaska 35 years ago, those were among my considerations. Little did I know that the Long Emergency would keep deferring its onset. Turns out all I got for the deal was a helluva good place to raise my kids and a wonderful life. Oh, yeah – water and coolness ARE plentiful.

Hey, ET, I take it you’re back in Alaska?!!!

GOD HELP THE HOMOSEXUALS AND OTHER SO-CALLED “UNDESIRABLES”

Moreover, it’s not just the “outside world” that stands in peril of these new “Christian Warriors:” All those who dare to stand against the American New World Order System in the United States are in peril as well. What do I mean by that? Yurica points out that all members of the U.S. military take an oath to –

http://www.antipasministries.c…..000206.htm

And R. J. Rushdoony writes:

“In winning a nation to Christ, the sword as well as the pen must be used.”

Now stop and think about all this: the army and some of the most well-known leaders (and ministries) of today’s American church are actively engaged in inducing Christian men and women to become “Christian warriors” – and not the kind that go out into the jungles of the Third World or into the inner cities of the nation armed with the Bible to win souls for Christ, BUT “MISSIONARIES” PREPARED TO DON THE UNIFORM OF THE U.S. ARMY, PICK UP AN M-16 AND GO OUT AND KILL PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF THE “PRINCE OF PEACE.”

How absurdly incongruous all this is! But, then, what else would you expect from the LUCIFERIC Christianity of today’s church?

__Obviously, this means that Christians – once they have finished taking over the country – will get to choose who lives or who dies, or at the very least, who will get shipped off to a “concentration” or “re-education” camp and who won’t. Obviously, if a person is not deemed “worthy” to “occupy the house” that Franklin is talking about here, off he’ll go. Franklin continues:

RECRUITING “HOLY WARRIORS” FORTHE AMERICAN NEW WORLD ORDER SYSTEM

Marretta @ 102

Strategerie at 36,

Kate Flemming was a good friend of a friend. My friend Jeff was absolutely torn up by her death and just worried sick for Charlene.

Marretta, Charlene’s still fighting back. What happened to her partner was terrible, and the way they were treated when they arrived at the hospital was even worse.

Please tell Jeff how sorry I am for his loss.

-S

Talk about cruelty to (LGBT) American citizens.

http://www.immigrationequality.org/

Support the UAFA.

Only four states include gender identity — the protection transgender people rely on — in their housing laws: California, Minnesota, New Mexico, and Rhode Island.

Actually, it’s at least five: Vermont enacted protections this year.