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		<title>By: marshen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/12/sunday-talking-head-thread-65/#comment-890937</link>
		<dc:creator>marshen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I watched all the stump speeches the GOP candidates gave that were at the Iowa straw poll rabid repub shindig last night on C-SPAN. George Bush was never mentioned except to say how he has kept us safe because there have been no attacks on US soil so fighting in Iraq is right because we’re fighting them there..la tee da tee da da. If this is such a great strategy why is it not working for Great Britain? Healthcare was not on the picnic table in Iowa. What we should do to end/win the war in Irag was missing in action which means they ALL would continue it indefinitely. No mention of the surge(s). Something about a flat tax, fihting porn our number one concern, and if we pray everywhere everyday everything will get better. There are’nt two america’s, there’s two different planets here. Romney and his son’s looked like wolves who had just robbed the chicken house. He was almost crying during his “acceptance” speech that he had (purchased) won the Iowa straw poll. Brownback was far and away the most frieghtening. What a religious fanatic. Man the religious right is alive and well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched all the stump speeches the GOP candidates gave that were at the Iowa straw poll rabid repub shindig last night on C-SPAN. George Bush was never mentioned except to say how he has kept us safe because there have been no attacks on US soil so fighting in Iraq is right because we’re fighting them there..la tee da tee da da. If this is such a great strategy why is it not working for Great Britain? Healthcare was not on the picnic table in Iowa. What we should do to end/win the war in Irag was missing in action which means they ALL would continue it indefinitely. No mention of the surge(s). Something about a flat tax, fihting porn our number one concern, and if we pray everywhere everyday everything will get better. There are’nt two america’s, there’s two different planets here. Romney and his son’s looked like wolves who had just robbed the chicken house. He was almost crying during his “acceptance” speech that he had (purchased) won the Iowa straw poll. Brownback was far and away the most frieghtening. What a religious fanatic. Man the religious right is alive and well.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/12/sunday-talking-head-thread-65/#comment-890931</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hey folks- Guess what? I am not in the least depressed. I am disgusted, fed up and angry as hell. Remember, this was a straw poll and they  screwwd with the machines! What the hell is wrong with a plain old paper ballot? So what if it takes a little more time to count. At least the bastards won’t have it as easy as they do now.&lt;br /&gt;
 Storm the congress? Nah. All that will cause is some arrests. Now, if we wait till after the kids go back to school and then organise the largest march in the history of this country and we urge all those who can to plan on staying for awhile- Well! maybe the idiots will get the message. They are raping us and we just simply can’t lay there and ask them if they need help!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey folks- Guess what? I am not in the least depressed. I am disgusted, fed up and angry as hell. Remember, this was a straw poll and they  screwwd with the machines! What the hell is wrong with a plain old paper ballot? So what if it takes a little more time to count. At least the bastards won’t have it as easy as they do now.<br />
 Storm the congress? Nah. All that will cause is some arrests. Now, if we wait till after the kids go back to school and then organise the largest march in the history of this country and we urge all those who can to plan on staying for awhile- Well! maybe the idiots will get the message. They are raping us and we just simply can’t lay there and ask them if they need help!</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/12/sunday-talking-head-thread-65/#comment-890449</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The DLC website was back up so I sent them this on their message form:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Move a little further to the right, please.  Then you too can be just another echo chamber for the AEI, Heritage Foundation, and The Weekly Standard.  Also, remember to start sucking up to Pat Robertson, Richard Land and the rest of the ultra right so-called Christians.  You’ll love it over there.  Like the DLC, the right absolutely worships wealth above all else.  Particularly wealth accumulated through the exploitation of workers and endless war, which is itself the exploitation of the disenfranchised and poor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;B’bye.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I know, “exploitation of the workers” is allegedly a far leftist phrase but if the foo shits, wear it.  And the whole thing is probably a bit trite, but I didn’t figure they deserved a lengthy, intelligent, balanced screed regarding their inadequacies.  Given three minutes at one of their meetings, however, I would only expand upon what I wrote.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The DLC website was back up so I sent them this on their message form:</p>
<p>“Move a little further to the right, please.  Then you too can be just another echo chamber for the AEI, Heritage Foundation, and The Weekly Standard.  Also, remember to start sucking up to Pat Robertson, Richard Land and the rest of the ultra right so-called Christians.  You’ll love it over there.  Like the DLC, the right absolutely worships wealth above all else.  Particularly wealth accumulated through the exploitation of workers and endless war, which is itself the exploitation of the disenfranchised and poor.</p>
<p>B’bye.”</p>
<p>Yeah, I know, “exploitation of the workers” is allegedly a far leftist phrase but if the foo shits, wear it.  And the whole thing is probably a bit trite, but I didn’t figure they deserved a lengthy, intelligent, balanced screed regarding their inadequacies.  Given three minutes at one of their meetings, however, I would only expand upon what I wrote.</p>
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		<title>By: doug r</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/12/sunday-talking-head-thread-65/#comment-890385</link>
		<dc:creator>doug r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-890155&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Christy Hardin Smith @ 49&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I’m afraid I’m going to have to catch MtP on TIVO anyway, because The Peanut is watching Aladdin at the moment.  *g*  I’ll catch up with it in a little while at nap time.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, if you picked up MSNBC to watch Keith Olbermann, (basically the only reason I did), you can catch MTP at 7pm AND 10pm PDT.(I think that’s 10pm and 1am Eastern).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-890155"><em>Christy Hardin Smith @ 49</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I’m afraid I’m going to have to catch MtP on TIVO anyway, because The Peanut is watching Aladdin at the moment.  *g*  I’ll catch up with it in a little while at nap time.</p>
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<p>Well, if you picked up MSNBC to watch Keith Olbermann, (basically the only reason I did), you can catch MTP at 7pm AND 10pm PDT.(I think that’s 10pm and 1am Eastern).</p>
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		<title>By: radiofreewill</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/12/sunday-talking-head-thread-65/#comment-890333</link>
		<dc:creator>radiofreewill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From a commentary on the Buddhist “Sutra of Eight Realizations of Great Beings”:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“When the Buddha says that sentient beings are ‘deluded,’ he means that they accept ‘false appearances’ as being wholly real. The Buddha described this state of delusion as being like a dream, but he did not mean that some absolute self or being (ego) is doing the dreaming. He meant that no self is dreaming, that the dream is dreaming itself, and that while the dream is dreaming itself, it has no ’stable essence.’ If we can awake from this dream, he said, then we will see that there exists an awareness that is far greater than anything we had imagined before.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;—&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The dream that is dreaming itself turns on the delusion (believed real without question) that manifestations (all manifestations) exist independently - including and especially the main character, ego. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Such narrowness of awareness ties expectations and intentions to the physical body, while clouding the mind with fears (of impermanence) and doubts (of permanance - what happens after ‘I’ die?)  and ‘disappears’ the connection to the Ocean of Consciousness.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a commentary on the Buddhist “Sutra of Eight Realizations of Great Beings”:</p>
<p>“When the Buddha says that sentient beings are ‘deluded,’ he means that they accept ‘false appearances’ as being wholly real. The Buddha described this state of delusion as being like a dream, but he did not mean that some absolute self or being (ego) is doing the dreaming. He meant that no self is dreaming, that the dream is dreaming itself, and that while the dream is dreaming itself, it has no ’stable essence.’ If we can awake from this dream, he said, then we will see that there exists an awareness that is far greater than anything we had imagined before.”</p>
<p>—</p>
<p>The dream that is dreaming itself turns on the delusion (believed real without question) that manifestations (all manifestations) exist independently &#8211; including and especially the main character, ego. </p>
<p>Such narrowness of awareness ties expectations and intentions to the physical body, while clouding the mind with fears (of impermanence) and doubts (of permanance &#8211; what happens after ‘I’ die?)  and ‘disappears’ the connection to the Ocean of Consciousness.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Klein&#8217;s conscience</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/12/sunday-talking-head-thread-65/#comment-890308</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Klein&#8217;s conscience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-890211&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 99&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It should be obvious by now that there is a struggle going on for the soul, heart and mind of the Democratic Party.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the DLC will not win that fight.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-890211"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 99</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>It should be obvious by now that there is a struggle going on for the soul, heart and mind of the Democratic Party.</p>
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<p>And the DLC will not win that fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Klein&#8217;s conscience</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/12/sunday-talking-head-thread-65/#comment-890306</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Klein&#8217;s conscience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-890243&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 123&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ford was very condescending toward Markos.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The DLC are nothing but condescending towards the Democratic base.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-890243"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 123</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Ford was very condescending toward Markos.</p>
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<p>The DLC are nothing but condescending towards the Democratic base.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Klein&#8217;s conscience</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/12/sunday-talking-head-thread-65/#comment-890301</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Klein&#8217;s conscience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-890137&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dakine01 @ 31&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ford says he will be at next years NetRoots Nation convention.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A bit of a smoosh fest now.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That should be fun.  I wonder what kind of reception he’ll get.  Hopefully just stone cold silence.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-890137"><em>dakine01 @ 31</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Ford says he will be at next years NetRoots Nation convention.</p>
<p>A bit of a smoosh fest now.</p>
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<p>That should be fun.  I wonder what kind of reception he’ll get.  Hopefully just stone cold silence.</p>
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		<title>By: hackworth</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/12/sunday-talking-head-thread-65/#comment-890283</link>
		<dc:creator>hackworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Third place winner in the computer-glitched (not mentioned)straw poll, Brownback looks like the devil himself. Scary coal black eyes. “No draft needed. Political solution on the ground. Push for political surge. Send Jim Baker.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What if Stephanop asked Brownback which Jim Bakker he would send? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Based on your conservative ideal of the melding of Church and State in order to form an American Taliban, I have to ask for clarity’s sake: Which Jim Baker you are referring to? Tammy Fay’s husband or Bush family attorney?”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Third place winner in the computer-glitched (not mentioned)straw poll, Brownback looks like the devil himself. Scary coal black eyes. “No draft needed. Political solution on the ground. Push for political surge. Send Jim Baker.” </p>
<p>What if Stephanop asked Brownback which Jim Bakker he would send? </p>
<p>“Based on your conservative ideal of the melding of Church and State in order to form an American Taliban, I have to ask for clarity’s sake: Which Jim Baker you are referring to? Tammy Fay’s husband or Bush family attorney?”</p>
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		<title>By: InfoNut</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/12/sunday-talking-head-thread-65/#comment-890280</link>
		<dc:creator>InfoNut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-890205&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Christy Hardin Smith @ 93&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But that’s just how things seem from the outside looking in.  If you are a Richardson supporter, why is that important to you?  If you are going to toss a question into the ring, folks are going to want to know your motivation in tossing it out — so you ought to go ahead and answer that up front now.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Long, boring story alert)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I spent 12 years living in New Mexico, where I was an extremely active advocate for children with disabilities. About 4 or 5 years ago, Richardson publicly announced a restructuring of disabilities services programs. We felt his decision was poorly thought out and could have a major negative impact on children in the state.&lt;br /&gt;
I was the Chair of the largest advocacy committee at the time, and proceeded to make a serious PITA of myself. I made so much noise that I eventually got to sit down with Richardson, and make the case for further study of the issue.&lt;br /&gt;
He then publicly retracted his decision (citing the need for more study) and put together a group to look at options and make recommendations surrounding the restructuring. I felt this showed that he was willing to listen, and wasn’t afraid to admit being hasty.&lt;br /&gt;
(/boring story)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When I heard he was running for president, I was rather bemused. After all, who is Richardson, right?&lt;br /&gt;
But the more I listen to him talk, and the more I know  about his stance on topics, the more I think he’s the best candidate.&lt;br /&gt;
That said, he does have his flaws. I’m not impressed with his stance on gay marriage, and I’m a bit concerned that perhaps he has too much ethnic bias. (After all, he first came out in support of AGAG simply because AG was hispanic.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He is a bit unpolished, and he can be his own worst enemy. I guess that actually works for me. He’s not your average talking head career politician.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;IN&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-890205"><em>Christy Hardin Smith @ 93</em></a></p>
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<p>But that’s just how things seem from the outside looking in.  If you are a Richardson supporter, why is that important to you?  If you are going to toss a question into the ring, folks are going to want to know your motivation in tossing it out — so you ought to go ahead and answer that up front now.</p>
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<p>(Long, boring story alert)</p>
<p>I spent 12 years living in New Mexico, where I was an extremely active advocate for children with disabilities. About 4 or 5 years ago, Richardson publicly announced a restructuring of disabilities services programs. We felt his decision was poorly thought out and could have a major negative impact on children in the state.<br />
I was the Chair of the largest advocacy committee at the time, and proceeded to make a serious PITA of myself. I made so much noise that I eventually got to sit down with Richardson, and make the case for further study of the issue.<br />
He then publicly retracted his decision (citing the need for more study) and put together a group to look at options and make recommendations surrounding the restructuring. I felt this showed that he was willing to listen, and wasn’t afraid to admit being hasty.<br />
(/boring story)</p>
<p>When I heard he was running for president, I was rather bemused. After all, who is Richardson, right?<br />
But the more I listen to him talk, and the more I know  about his stance on topics, the more I think he’s the best candidate.<br />
That said, he does have his flaws. I’m not impressed with his stance on gay marriage, and I’m a bit concerned that perhaps he has too much ethnic bias. (After all, he first came out in support of AGAG simply because AG was hispanic.)</p>
<p>He is a bit unpolished, and he can be his own worst enemy. I guess that actually works for me. He’s not your average talking head career politician.</p>
<p>IN</p>
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