A while back I wrote a post saying Rudy would never suffer because of his position on choice, that there were many other ways to show you were an authoritarian prick and Rudy was pretty well versed in all of them. The GOP is definitely a place where treating your wife like shit and having your kids hate you can work in your favor when it comes to pushing the “angry dad” archetype that wingnuts so love to grovel before. I also didn’t believe Bernie Kerick would cause him too much harm because everyone expects Republicans to be crooks, and that the ones most likely to land a stunning blow would be the firefighters.
I now think that’s wrong. I think Rudy’s going to be done in by Rudy, because I really don’t see how he walks this one back:
Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani said Friday that he misspoke when he said he spent as much time, if not more, at ground zero exposed to the same health risks as workers combing the site after the Sept. 11 attacks.
“I think I could have said it better,” he told nationally syndicated radio host Mike Gallagher. “You know, what I was saying was, ‘I’m there with you.’” The former New York mayor upset some firefighters and police officers when he said Thursday in Cincinnati that he was at ground zero “as often, if not more, than most of the workers.”
“I was there working with them. I was exposed to exactly the same things they were exposed to. So in that sense, I’m one of them,” he told reporters at a Los Angeles Dodgers-Cincinnati Reds baseball game.
Fire and police officials responded angrily, saying Giuliani did not do the same work as those involved in the rescue, recovery and cleanup from the 2001 terrorist attacks, which left many workers sick and injured.
I figured that with so much at stake, Rudy — or someone close to him — would have had the political instincts to at the very least come up with some kind of PR strategy to deal with the firefighters. And the firefighters, being a rather conservative bunch, would eventually find it in their best interest to get with the plan. It never occured to me that Rudy’s unbridled narcissism was so very unbridled that he had actually embroidered that whole “hero of 9/11″ crap to the point where he thought he was right there in the trenches the whole time with the firefighters himself, and moreover that he’d be stupid enough to say so publicly.
But amazingly, this is Rudy’s memory of the event now. And finding himself in a ditch of his own devising, he just cannot stop digging:
“There were people there less than me, people on my staff, who already have had serious health consequences, and they weren’t there as often as I was,” Giuliani said, “but I wasn’t trying to suggest a competition of any kind, which is the way it come across.”
Right. Only sissies get sick. Real Men don’t get sick, Rudy didn’t get sick, so stop your bellyaching.
Giuliani’s explanation further angered his ground zero critics, prompting several to issue a statement demanding an apology.
“He is such a liar, because the only time he was down there was for photo ops with celebrities, with politicians, with diplomats,” said deputy fire chief Jimmy Riches, who spent months digging for his firefighter son.
Rudy just can not stop antagonizing the firefighters. If 9/11 is the temple upon with all GOP fearmongering is based, the firefighters are the statue of Moroni on the top. You cannot write yourself into that particular myth as a hero if they are running around loudly calling you a candyass at every turn. I know the authoritarian cargo cultists have a seemingly inexhaustable talent for revisionist history to show their would-be iron men in a flattering aspect, but Rudy is asking them to chuck a key tenet, a primary article of wingnut canon as he orders the faithful to scoff at the firefighters as just a bunch of bellyaching grandmas.
You can’t have both, and I really don’t see how Rudy and his brobdingnagian ego wriggle out of this one.




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hmmmmm…
I let’em know downstairs, Jane!
If he succeeds it will because he is better at fear mongering than his rivals. Since he’s pretty scary already, that should not be a high bar.
Just got back from work, any word on Iowa?
What I’d really like is a clear audit of Rudy’s finances and business dealings. And what are the origins of political donations given him?
The FIX is in.
DIEBOLD!!
I can’t believe he’s as popular as he is. I don’t get it.
I can understand why he’s so UNpopular.
petedownunder @ 5
Romney won but Howie says by less than he was expected to. He thinks Tommy Thompson will drop out but other than that it’s pretty meaningless.
Let’s start playing the Firefighter comments. FDNY call his bluff.
Jane Hamsher @ 9
Many thanks for the update. To have known Tommy Thompson was ever in would make you a champion at GOP trivial pursuit.
He is the neocon pick from hell.
What a buffoon.
Now I have to go look up “brobdingnagian”.
TeddySanFran says:
August 11th, 2007 at 6:21 pm
Results coming in now:
14,302 ballots cast
11th place: John Cox (41 votes)
10th place: John McCain (101 votes)
9th place: Duncan Hunter
8th place: Rudy Giuliani
7th place: Fred Thompson
6th place: Tommy Thompson
5th place: Ron Paul (1305 votes, 9.1%)
4th place: Tom Tancredo (1961 votes, 13.7%)
3rd place: Sam Brownback
2nd place: Mike Huckabee
1st place: Mitt Romney
Gov Mitt Romney won the 2007 Ames straw poll, receiving 4516 votes, or 31%.
In a surprise, Gov. Mike Huckabee finished second with 2587 votes at 18.1%
wangdangdoodle @ 14
Let us know.
It’s from Gulliver’s Travels, I think…
Loo Hoo. @ 16
Swift’s Gullivers’ Travels is a hint
The one percenters will ignore this infected wound just like they do all the rest. As long as power is maintained, rational thought and a clean conscience is unnecessary, rather those are detrimental to the cause.
And if they don’t hear it from Rushycontin, the loofalafel man or inShannity, it doesn’t exist.
{{{{{Jane!}}}}}
I was living in upstate NY and CT during most of Rudy’s time in office and spent most of Y2K working in Manhattan while officially living outside Hartford.
I think most anyone who has not swallowed Rudy’s kool-aid and was in the area during his years in office would be willing to wager that Rudy would find some unique way of imploding.
Oh, well, yeah…
Brobdingnagian brob-ding-NAG-ee-uhn, adjective:
Of extraordinary size; gigantic; enormous.
wangdangdoodle @ 21
kinda like the size of Rudy’s ego,
oh yeah.
I’ve never heard of John Cox, and I cannot believe Tancredo was 4th. What a racist he is. Considering Romney had “enlisted” his entire family (and the saints), it’s surprising he won by so little.
petedownunder @ 11
One of the little pieces of political trivia is that Rudy hired a number of folks from Tommy Thompson’s administration to help him do “Welfare to work” in NYC.
wangdangdoodle @ 21
Learn something new everyday, if you’re not careful…!!! ;-)
I don’t talk politics with my relatives too much, but I think I’ll ask my bro-in-law, the firefighter, what the general consensus is around the firehouse.
But amazingly, this is Rudy’s memory of the event now.
Which reminds me – Gawd I’m glad I’m divorced.
(( waves to petedownunder ))
Hey Rudy — do not mess around with the IAFF!
I’ve been playing with a couple of “candidate selectors”–supposed to tell you which candidates match up best with you on the issues.
They yielded pretty different results for me, but the instruments themselves cover different territory, asking different questions.
Here’s one.
And here’s the other.
Taken with a grain of salt, of course.
Loo Hoo. @ 23
The same percentage that Shrub had in the ‘00 straw poll!
So once again a chickenhawk chirps about bravery. A subject they know less about than governance, the rule of law, or just plain common decency.
I think it is correct that among the wingnuts, and the corporate media, the almost erotic desire for an authoritarian figure will innoculate Guiliani from all these gaffes. Problem is that he is such a touchy prima donna megalomaniac that what is now a trickle will become a steady stream, and perhaps, given the length of this next presidential campaing, a flood.
And most non-wingnuts will eventually, and correctly, conclude there is something a little batshit insane about Guiliani. And Guiliani will make it worse by going batshit over the growing number of observations that he is batshit. And that will probably doom his chances.
I want the old Republican party back. It is not comfortable to have a major party only allow goofs, totally empty suits and ideological toadies to run. I would like for the GOP to nominate some one like Hagel. I would work very hard for Hagel’s defeat, and would not want such an extreme conservative to be president, but at least I would consider him to be competent and sane, and have some ethical and common sense. Arnold is another example, but we need a constitutional amendment for him. I would work very hard against Arny too, but at least he is competent and sane. Not as conservative as Hagel, but would have to be watched like hawk, since he is vulnerable to Rove-like initiatives, recent examples of which was flushed down the toilet by CA voters. Those are the only two GOPers who I would feel safe to have run for president, which is kinda scary -makes every election a high stakes gamble, which is stressful and causes nervous tics and general angst among the population, I think.
I have no confidence at all in the current carny side show GOP candidates. Let’s hope that Rudy find the courage and lack of judgment to truly be the true Rudy.
Loo, Ell… where’s your little blue effies?
And hi to Lou too!
Rudy. My hero.
wangdangdoodle @ 33
where is my f?
I’ll have to log in to find it. I don’t recall logging out.
This comment relates to the Rick Noriega thread/talk below:
LOVED, loved the video on Rick’s website.
LOVED that the link at the top left is to “Register to Vote”. Says a LOT about his values.
Good luck to Rick and thanks to him and his wife for the visit!
That he personally required the city’s emergency command center bunker to be within walking distance of City Hall and then test-drove it many times with the then-hidden Judi won’t help much either. What’s a Mayor need soundproofing, bulletproofing and his own elevator in a walking-distance lovenest for except, well, love?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 34
I can sense the sarcasm dripping from this comment all the way out here in VA! ;-)
and hey back to you, wangdang!
If the RNC is willing to do everything Rove/Bush/Cheney wants…which we already know they are doing…they will decide who their nominee is…not the people…it may even be Cheney.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 34
I know you’re being facetious, OKK!!! :P
The person who wins the GOP nomination will be the person who says, “I am power. I wield power.”
There is an appeal to this message. It makes things simple. I don’t have to think.
Dems need to show why thinking is good.
TeddySanFran @ 37
the idea that he could be the R candidate is frightening.
Loo Hoo. @ 23
Mitt beat the #2 by 13%. In 2000, W beat Steve Forbes by only 10%. You will hear this often from Romney and his Five Sons.
EPU’D:
If I was going to go see Rudy speak, I would wear one of those disposable medical face masks. Everyone should.
Time for a new FDL float?
Rudy, what to say, a gas bag of galactic proportions, and sanctimonious self satire. As you can guess I’m his biggest fan, and I’ve never been to the northeast ( but you can’t help who runs for office in your part of the world).
The man who agrees to do Godfather Kissinger’s bidding will win the Repub nomination.
Giuliani considers the firefighters of NYC a backdrop to the Only Important Thing: Himself. After all, nobody’s suffered like Rudy has. His ex-wife (hell, ex-wives,) Didn’t Understand Him. His children? He’s a really nice guy, and they’re just ungrateful. The American public had better vote for him if they know what’s good for them.
It’s hard to believe that anyone else could have more hubris than Rudolph Giuliani, but then there’s George W. Bush, who seems to suffer from the same unbelievably inflated ego, and lack of acknowledgement of any repercussions to his actions.
-S
Lowermanhattanite over at The Group Blog has been on an absolute tear against Rudy. He’s not holding anything back. VERY entertaining reads.
http://www.groupnewsblog.net/2…..reach.html
http://www.groupnewsblog.net/2…..f-you.html
LS @ 46
I think you’re right.
he’s always back there.
The one good thing about long campaigns is it gives plenty of time for egotistical morons like Rudy to shoot himself in the foot. Several times, probably.
That’s what I’m hopin for, and so far, I’m not disappointed. ;)
Great post, Jane.
As ever, I treasure and revel in your use of language.
TheOtherWA @ 50
Foot? I want a head shot!!!
I just finished reading the post. Excellent.
CTuttle @ 52
Give him time, Ctuttle, give him time.
Bless Jimmy Riches, for this bannerrific remark about Rudy:
“On 9/11 all he did was run. He got that soot on him, and I don’t think he’s taken a shower since.”
I hope I can help pile on Rudy. My greatest criticism is that he helped deceive New Yorkers that their air was safe to breath after the 9-11 attack. The air was full of toxic dust that was even pushed into ventilation systems.
As for the Emergency Command Center, Richard Scheirer abandoned it before the second tower was hit. In fact it was abandoned while WTC 2 employees were told to return to work. The evidence has yet to show that this fortified bunker had any damage. WTC 7 lasted til five in the afternoon when it was brought down by controlled demolition. Watch the video.
Of course Rudy’s children do not support him, and are alienated from him.
wangdangdoodle @ 33
I’m still on this blasted computer. I get mine tomorrow. At least I downloaded firefox so I don’t have to use safari. I can post links now, just in case music becomes an issue again. *G*!
Frank33 @ 56
Christie Todd Whitman is as guilty.
Kissinger was consulted but didn’t really go for Nixon as the candidate, because he thought Nixon would try to assume too much control in the position! It’s in a letter in the newly released Nixon papers…I just can’t find it right now, and all of my old bookmarks are gone…
argosfalcon @ 31
Exactly.
Renee in Ohio @ 29
Kucinich #1 on both.
No Hillary on #1.
Hillary 4th on #2?
Loo Hoo. @ 57
Good, you can be DJ tonight!
;)
Coals are ready, time for ribeyes.
Back later…
Jane has another post up!
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ody-cared/
LS @ 39
Am I complete Pollyanna in thinking there are Americans who will be giving up the emails the RNC ain’t giving up?
And if I’m right, isn’t the RNC dead?
TeddySanFran @ 43
Does he have any daughters? Have they been gagged?
Loo Hoo. @ 64
I sure hope so.
LS @ 59
If anyone is interested, it is in the Nixon archives…as Saperstein – Garment & Evans. Very interesting. He is still a factor to reckon with.
OKK – in response to a comment a few threads downstairs:
If elected President, I will honestly and publicly announce that Lahoma is smarter and more attractive, but that only the Kiddo can be trusted to fish a scorpion out of the pool.
Elliott @ 58
And Condi Rice gave the orders to Whitman.
I could “almost” understand the MSM’s looking the other way about Dubya in 2000 given his family background. However, Gail Sheehy’s feelings must still be hurt that no one either read or took seriously her pre-election “Vanity Fair” piece on Little Boots.
The Rudy focus/pass by the media just escapes me and begs all reason (and yes, I’m talking to you Tweety). I have watched Rudy since his nascent days in the US Attorney’s office…have never seen a bigger or more self-serving prick.
There is not enough newsprint, TV/radio frequencies and/or bandwidth to describe what a danger this guy would be in the WH. He could give lying/self-destruction lessons to the entire Dubya regime.
If by some total collective, elective brain fart of fear, this guy ends up as president with Ms. Judy in tow (”I’ll just finish the demo on poor Fido now”), then I’m leaving…..for somewhere else.
Strategerie @ 47
Rudy is a thug. Always has been. Always will be. Look who his friends are. Real low class guy he is.
wesgpc @ 32
Good to see you, wesgpc.
Belly-aching grandmas?
I resent that remark.
The symbol of a fire department and the badge of a fireman is, the Maltese Cross. The Maltese Cross is a symbol of protection and is worn as a badge of honor. Its story is hundreds of years old. When a courageous band of crusaders known as the Knights of St. John, fought the Saracens for possession of the holy land, they encountered a new weapon unknown to European warriors. It was a simple, but a horrible device of war, it wrought excruciating pain and agonizing death upon the brave fighters for the cross. The Saracen’s weapon was, fire. As the crusaders advanced on the walls of the city, they were struck by glass bombs containing naphtha. When they became saturated with the highly flammable liquid, the Saracens hurled a flaming torch into their midst. Hundreds of the knights were burned alive; others risked their lives to save their brothers-in-arms from dying painful, fiery deaths. Thus, these men became our first firemen and the first of a long list of courageous firefighters. Their heroic efforts were recognized by fellow crusaders who awarded each here a badge of honor – a cross similar to the one firemen wear today. Since the Knights of St. John lived for close to four centuries on a little island in the Mediterranean Sea named Malta, the cross came to be known as the Maltese Cross. The Maltese Cross is your symbol of protection. It means that the fireman who wears this cross is willing to lay down his life for you just as the crusaders sacrificed their lives for their fellow man so many years ago. The Maltese Cross is a fireman’s badge of honor, signifying that he works in courage – a ladder rung away from death. -anonymous
Jane Hamsher says: August 11th, 2007 at 7:37 pm:
FDL has become such a great site. I’ll always read it. I’m glad it is getting the attention it deserves. I still think you should have a person in charge of making sure the URL is shown everytime the blog is attacked. Isn’t there some IP angle you could use to force the media to show the URL?
I’ve had severe and multiple health problems with old folks in family, and had to balance that with, you know, day gig earning money. So have been lurking. But I am an FDL reader for life.
FDL was the first thing I showed to my mom when she was wondering about what that internet blog thingee was, recently, and that did the trick. She’s getting herself a PC now. See, FDL can work miracles!
I am hoping for an October surprise. A Donna Hanover/Judith Reagan tell-all about the mighty Rudy. That would be the nail in the coffin.
On another note, I am waiting to hear some consistency from the Catholic Church. A statement about voters casting ballots in line with their religious beliefs even if they are Republican is a must. Yeah Rudy, good idea, “let the priests decide if you are a Catholic in good standing.”
Cool use of cargo cultists Jane. I’d forgotten about them.
Jane, you rule totally. :-)
But Rudy is probably going to win the GOP nod, for the same reason Kerry did: Practicality.
I like the man enough personally, but he is my worst nightmare as POTUS.
Huckabee (and even Paul) get a bump. Interesting times, indeed.
I sincerely hope you are feeling and doing good. You are (one of) the lights of my blogoshperhic epiphany.
God bless all of you at FDL.
N.Y. Newsday columnist Jimmy Breslin on Rudy
“a small man in search of a balcony.”
I was appalled when the firefighters released their PSA ag Rudi which the MSM described as Rudi being swiftboated by the firefighters. The swiftboater were all liars and the firefighters are telling the truth about what happened after 9/11. Guiliani was the only Presidential candidate not asked to speak at the firefighters spring conference.
Jane, I am so totally a fanboy right now, I could cry. That was beyond brilliant.
Steve Gilliard called this one. He said that the citizens of New York would line up and kick Rudy one by one into the dirt. I wish he were around to see his prediction made true. The righteous LowerManhattanite at the Group News Blog is continuing that great tradition.
Luckily, I was involved in a traffic accident on 9/11 and never made it all the way into the city. Lucky too, I was self employed and was able to work from home until March of that year. I worked in the old Standard Oil building, that’s right in front of the bull, downtown Manhattan. Getting back to the office was so strange. Everything was still grimy, and seeing others in the building after all that time was strange. There was quite a bit of talk about the cough. It was especially persistent for those with respiratory problems. There was the sadness, everyone knew someone. The Wall Street area is very close.
One woman lost her young son. A new fireman recruit. He’d been with a prestigious auditing firm, but wanted to follow his Dad into the firehouse. I remember when his mother told us about his career change. I asked if she was nervous and she said no. Nothing had ever happened to her husband Dennis, so she felt the son, named for his father would be OK. They never found him. His father was down at the pile every day consumed with guilt. The young man had been married for a year, and well I remember his Mom telling us the plans for the wedding and about her dress. The most expensive thing she ever bought for herself. Well, he was a wonderful son, a good boy, a hard working all American kid anyone would be proud of. They adored him. He loved them too and he loved the extended Firefighting community/family. It showed in everything he did. The thing I will never forget is how trusting and decent these people were. How sure that what happened could not have been avoided. That is, until one weekend, they got to view some of the tapes. A group of firefighters had watched it together. When I saw my friend next, she said they didn’t have to die. It was the radios. They were all brave heroes, but they would have left the building if they had been able to hear the order to evacuate. The radios that were unable to share the police frequency, the radios that failed the firefighters. The same radios that the firefighters had continuously asked Rudy to do something about. After that weekend, I saw sadness harden into anger and then into rage. So many of the fireman died because of the damn radios. That of was the beginning. But of course Rudy’s arrogance antagonized these families even more as time passed. He betrayed them and they will not forget it. He’s never had the decency to express regret to the families for his negligence.
On a personal note, I wonder that Rudy could see the death of so many and yet not work hard to embrace his own precious children. What is wrong with him?
truth, and humility are not strong suits of a megalomaniac.
rudy the megalomaniac is just getting warmed up.
Welcome to New York’s world under the reign of rudy the megalomaniac.
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Read Michael Wolff’s article “Crazy for Rudy” in Vanity Fair (June 07).
Short version: Rudy is nuts. Period.
Worse: his insanity could be his biggest political asset.
Makes sense to me since nothing in the GOP appears to be reality-based.
After the way they attacked Clinton I never thought the GOP would nominate a draft-dodging drug user with a history of financial irregularities either.
What about the fact that it has been suggested that Rudy used his OEM office at the WTC as a love nest with the not ready for prime time, Judith Nathan, and that was the reason why he wanted the office placed at the WTC, within walking distance from his official office. I wonder how many “offices” Rudy had?
And then consider; the religious right hates him. This guy will never get the nod, much less the presidency. But he will spill blood in his quest, mostly republican blood. The Republican Primary is about to get ugly. Bread and Circus, anyone? I have a front row seat.
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myiq2xu @ 86
Why not?
It is very. very, very important for all rational people WITH integrity to STOP projecting those traits onto republicans – THEY DO NOT POSSESS THEM!!!!!!!
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Image projection is what any election is about, and I think you’re all being very unfair to poor Rudy. We should applaud his efforts. We should second them. We should make every other American understand how vital Rudy has been to the United States during his political career.
Why, when Katrina hit New Orleans, who was it that stood there against the breaking walls, and later drove around 5 rescue vehicles simultaneously through the maddening river, with no other crew available? Rudy. When Saddam sent a core of elite comic book assassins to kill Bush’s daddy (just as he said), who was it that took all their poisoned darts in one arm, and suffered severe arthritis as a result, for the rest of the day? Rudy.
Who offered to go to prison in place of Libby? Who stood 24/7 at the border between Mexico and the United States, shooting any man, woman, child or infant that dared to crawl a step northward, armed with a diabolical plan to prevent hardworking Americans from getting slave pay on farms?
Who has arranged every trade deal with a foreign nation since 2000? Who has offered to arm wrestle any FCC member that dares even breathe the words “Fairness Doctrine” in their sleep? Who has paid off every single former ENRON employee who lost their life savings from his petty cash fund?
Rudy. Shame on you for not seeing him for the hero he is, and instead presenting him as a disgusting, self-aggrandizing puke who will build on thousands of personal tragedies to feed his own insatiable political ambition.
EDIT: I really should do this kind of thing as a diary, I suppose.
Has anyone pointed out that the crazy guy from the movies, Steve Buscemi, who did dig around in the dirt for a week without a press rep and who hasn’t broadcast it to the world to show how awesome he is, more of a man than the serial philanderer?