Thanks to the silliness of the mainstream media, we’ve had to suffer through talk show hosts asking whether Barack Obama is “black” enough (so they ask white people?), whether Edwards is too handsome (yes, so?), whether Kucinich is big enough (it appears only an “every way big guy” can satisfy the embarrassing Chris Matthews), whether Biden can be brief enough when appropriate (”yes”), and whether Hillary Clinton is “warm” or “soft” enough (!!!), or alternatively “tough” enough to be Commander in Chief (sure, but it’s a question whose presumed relevance is disproved every day in the age of Bush).
You’ll note that not one of these questions that continue to preoccupy our irresponsible media has any bearing on the wisdom, intelligence, competence, courage, or leadership capabilities of these people to be President of the United States. With the country now suffering through the seventh year of perhaps the worst, most corrupt, incompetent, reckless, lawless, and dishonest administrations in our history, you would think that the media would be probing every Presidential candidate to determine how different they might be from the flawed individuals who now occupy the White House and hold the national government and its Constitution by the throat. We might even ask whether the candidate could actually lead the party by stiffening the spines of the 16 Senators and 41 Representatives who betrayed that Constitution last week by mindlessly handing unchecked spying authority to Alberto Gonzales and Dick Cheney.
Despite the media, rather than because of it, we are getting at least part of a national debate on the important question of how a President should respond to the hypothetical opportunity to invade another country in order to kill a prominent member of al Qaeda. So far, that debate is incomplete, because it is being waged by two factions on the same side — the side that assumes without question that the correct US policy is to make every effort to kill the terrorists even if it means violating the sovereignty of another nation, undermining its government, and likely killing innocent civilians. The main difference between the two factions is whether we should be honest or disingenuous about the same policy that both factions support. The Pakistanis are not confused by this subtle distinction, even if Americans are.
Senator Obama, having committed a Beltway sin (I think the diplomatic term is “unhelpful”) of saying out loud what he thinks (or what he wants us to believe he thinks because he’s unwilling to admit it was a mistake), asserts it’s in the public interest to discuss openly that he would violate Pakistan’s sovereignty if necessary to kill OBL. Senator Clinton contends that Presidents sometimes have to keep to themselves their willingness to violate international law, while being oh so discrete in not ruling out nuking another nation. Of course, given the fear that Hillary Clinton may be only a notch or two less belligerent than the neocons she seeks to replace, such a statement only increases those suspicions.
What’s missing, of course, is any of the front runners standing for the principle that U.S. policy (and prospects for justice and stability in the region) might actually be better off if we categorically renounce aggressive war (which we once declared to be a war crime), respected the sovereignty of other nations and figured out how to confront the murderers of 9/11 and the threat they’ve spawned without unilateral military invasions. That missing side of the debate might note, for example, that killing even al Qaeda’s top officials is not likely to eliminate the threat posed by radical extremists who, spurred in part by US interventions in the Middle East, are springing up everywhere — a whole new generation of peoples convinced that killing the occupying Americans is fully justified. The reasons for the extremists’ resurgence in recent years are many, but even our own intelligence community concedes unilateral US militarism that seeks to impose American hegemony in that region is a significant factor.
The search for the 9/11 murderers can be justified as a matter of criminal justice. But it does not follow that a rise in radical anti-American extremism is dependent on whether OBL is dead or alive. It is time our foreign policy debate grappled with that fact and starting thinking more clearly about cause and effect. There is little or no evidence that increasing anti-American extremism is spawned by US efforts focused on capturing the perpetrators of 9/11; rather, it is more likely spawned in large part by our military interventions in Islamic lands under the false claim that they are connected to 9/11. People in Islamic lands are not as easily fooled as the gullible viewers of Fox News
A broader debate might consider the proposition that it is no more acceptable to drop a bomb on a Pakistani or Afghani school hoping to kill an al Qaeda leader but knowing it would result in the deaths of innocent civilians than it would be to drop a bomb on a Chicago or NYC school under the same circumstances. If it were Chicago or New York City, police and rescue forces would presumably take every conceivable precaution to protect the lives of innocents — that’s what security forces are for — notwithstanding the heinousness of the intended targets inside. I’d like to hear the candidates explain why the policy, announced or otherwise, should be any different in Pakistan, Iraq or Afghanistan, but so far, no one seems to be addressing that question.
We’ve had six and half years of phony “tough men” in the Bush/Cheney regime, people who actually believe that the best way for America to gain it’s supposedly lost manhood was to beat the crap out of some hapless Middle East dictator just to prove we could — so they did. But these insecure juvenile morons have run the country into the ground while destroying the almost universal goodwill towards America that existed immediately after 9/11. Their reckless belligerence and indifference to human suffering have destroyed Iraq and created refugee conditions that usually accompany genocide. Being “tough” means they sponsored the CIA’s “black sites,” winked at Abu Ghraib and left us with Guantanamo. These same “tough” guys watched with indifference as New Orleans drowned, and they now want to impose a “misery strategy” against highly vulnerable undocumented immigrants.
I don’t think it’s enough to suggest, as the Times‘ Sheryl Gay Stolberg did last week, that George H.W. Bush’ disappointment with Bush 43’s regime stems from people being too harsh on his son, and it’s even sillier to portray this as a father feeling empathy for his Little League son striking out. The horrors of the Bush 43 Presidency are not a result of the father failing to teach his failed son not to swing at a pitch in the dirt or over his head but more likely the result of a mother failing to teach empathy to a son who liked to blow up frogs. There is no evidence that that child feels much more for the tens of thousands of humans whose lives he has destroyed.
Someone needs to stand up and say that being “tough” and “manly” the way the media and this regime define those terms has been a catastrophic failure and a human calamity. It has made us less safe and led to tens of thousands of deaths; it’s dragging the country’s reputation through the mud and made us hated as bullies and torturers. We’ve had enough of cruelty masquerading as policy and service-evading presidents in flight suits pretending to be warriors. We’re in desperate need of genuine adults who possess wisdom, understanding, respect for law, and courage based on humane principles.
Our next President will need a more mature grasp of adulthood than displayed by our adolescent President and his war-fear-mongering Vice President, a man so insane he can’t wait to start the next war. But our media need to stop asking whether these candidates are “tough” or “manly” enough; surely adult men possess more humane qualities than what the media obsesses over, and we could benefit greatly from more “feminine” and/or motherly sensibilities in the mix.
CNN’s Suzanne Malveau recently asked Hillary if she was “black enough” (to keep Bill’s support among Afro-American voters), but maybe we should start asking whether anyone has the courage to be “woman enough” to be our next President.
AP Photo via CBS news.
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In the day and age when we have things like Buying the War, you’d think the media would realize how badly they smell.
zed?
mmmmm this looks funnnn
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today’s web 2.0 marketing mission
– go to every rightwing blog and post the following:
i went to the gay street fair in chicago today and these sponsors were there, with rainbow flags: bud, volvo. british tourism …
watch the resulting firestorm
watch the sponsors say out loud in public that we support teh gays
mission accomplished
What to say so many things going on, and they all seem too have one origin point.
Bah, I can’t stop writing. The real problem with the media is the fact that it’s so focused on the horse-race issues – and so willing to forget history. They don’t ask the tough questions, because it either requires too much reporting or doesn’t get the same kind of ratings. Instead, we get obviously partisan figures with their even-more obvious favorites who swing back and forth in loud yelling matches that ultimately signify nothing.
It isn’t healthy and hasn’t changed, despite the fact that we’ve proved these guys wrong time after time again. The same old people just cannot be trusted to change their ways.
Madness, madness, madness.
Thanks, Scarecrow, for illustrating how wacked-out our media narrative is about PrezCandis, toughness, and gender. Manliness as defined by TradMed is not an attribute I seek in the next Preznit: “He tried to kill my dad” is not a foreign policy.
Didn’t Joe Biden make the point about the Pakistan-incursion argument that it is already American policy that we can go anywhere we want regardless of sovereignty to take out OBL?
Good afternoon everyone. Hope you’re having a great weekend.
Ryan — did you see the PBS ombudsman post on Moyer’s impeachment program. Then Moyers wrote a response.
Well, it will be interesting to see what happens…
Yes, he did, Teddy. That was at the AFL-CIO debate, when he talked about the “truth,” facts or whatever he called it. He corrected the impertinent Hill and vapid Dodd with what is the truth, especially given the war-hawk past and nature of Biden and his ilk.
I saw Bill Moyer’s program on impeachment, but I’m not sure if I saw the ombudsman program. I’m actually quite new to Bill Moyers, but he’s quickly becoming one of my favorites.
TeddySanFran @ 7
Something like that; Biden was on Charley Rose a couple nights back. Was only half listening.
Thanks to the silliness of the mainstream media, we’ve had to suffer through talk show hosts asking whether Barack Obama is “black” enough (so they ask white people?), whether Edwards is too handsome (yes, so?), whether Kucinich is big enough (it appears only an “every way big guy” can satisfy the embarrassing Chris Matthews), whether Biden can be brief enough when appropriate (”yes”), and whether Hillary Clinton is “warm” or “soft” enough (!!!), or alternatively “tough” enough to be Commander in Chief (sure, but it’s a question whose presumed relevance is disproved every day in the age of Bush).
The fact that this is the best they’ve got makes me happy. It opens the door for serious conversations and debate about the serious issues raised in the rest of this excellent post.
Here’s the distorting factor, as I see it: oil. It’s turning otherwise reasonable nations into something altogether different. Even Carter, bless his otherwise gentle soul, indicated it was absolutely in the U.S.’s interest that access to middle east oil be maintained.
That said, don’t get me wrong. I can’t stand how this debate is framed in terms of this silly macho posturing that has been *especially* prevalent in the last (oh god) seven years, either. I just don’t know how avoidable it is.
Why bother with history recent or other, they create the memes they need to sell their positions. The are masters at using fear and intimidation, but the more the use those tools, the more they lose there effectiveness.
Ryan Adams @ 11
The ombudsman posted a response; not a program.
Here’s part of Moyer’s response:
If she gets the Dem nod (which I hope doesn’t happen) she will be labeled as too angry, too hard, too cold, too calculating, as well as femin-nazi, man-hating, libral-lezbo by Limpballs and the others. Basically there is nothing that any of the Dems can do (or be) right in the eyes of the Rethug jerks.
Although there was entirely too much focus on marriage, I thought the LOGO-TV debate format, where each candidate got fifteen minutes of uninterrupted questioning, really worked. I would have liked to see more about adoption rights, out and equal workplace rights, and personal journey discussions. I think the questioners were focused on being fair by covering the same ground with each candidate.
It would be great to see debates focus on one area, like the Middle East, or energy independence, or civil liberties. That might help us move away from these idiotic “enough” frames. More in-depth questioning on a single topic, for ninety minutes, maybe fifteen minutes per candidate as LOGO did.
Quoted by Argosfalcon @ 15
Oh, but that’s my point. Where else do you have get a newspaper who gets a second source as the government, when the government’s very source was the same as the newspapers? This is our recent history. It’s being ignored.
The media hasn’t taken the introspective look it needs to do as a result of its hand in the Bush administration. If it did, we’d be moving past that horrible era and moving toward a more responsible media – where toughness and masculinity wouldn’t exactly be the main topics of conversation on Chris Matthews.
Ryan Adams @ 11
Also, highly recommend going back in the Bill Moyer’s Journal of 30 years ago — his program on Watergate/Nixon is a classic.
I was going to post something about the switches used in domestic spying and how hackable they are but I’d have to make a new tinfoil hat.
Richmond @ 17
But any Democrat will be badly libelled by Roosh and his pals; some make the argument that Hillary is best prepared by past scars to take their heat. I think it’s part of Hillary’s own “electability” argument: I’m your girl.
Great post Scarecrow. The MSM agenda here is to marginalize each and every democratic candidate because the prevailing media narrative is that Democratic presidential candidates are vacillating tree-hugging terrorist-appeasing phonies.
The right wing kool aid flows unfettered through the veins of our pundit class and nothing short of electoral revolution will change that.
We have lots of work to do to help transform the media narrative. It starts, but does not end here.
But your work and that of the progressive blogosphere helps each and every day.
Any thoughts about the Kos-Ford debate coming up tomorrow on MTP?
Richmond @ 17
Rather than say these things, I suspect they will just imply them. As others have pointed out, using Hillary’s gender to attack her directly could easily backfire.
Why are there no charges brought against the most lawless and incompetent administration ever?
The debates for both parties’ candidates would be better served if the questions were framed around the Constitution and addressed specific principles and applications.
But methinks that both the pool of candidates and the people who get to ask the questions on behalf of the MSM aren’t very informed about Constitutional principles and application.
There is no “Media” or “Press” anymore. Just another way for world-spanning corporations to sell us SUV’s, erectile disfunction drugs, diet foods… and Wars!
Other than Blogs, Journalism doesn’t exist!
Bill @ 25
Why are there no charges brought against the most lawless and incompetent administration ever?
Department of Injustice?
(I love answering rhetorical questions)
Gore Vidal says that the Media is totally corrupt. I agree with him.
The Media is intentionally misleading the public. They are whores – bought and paid for by Rupert Murdoch, Jack Welch, big oil, big pharma, genetically engineered agri-business, multi-national corporations and all manner of rapers and pillagers of the New World Order/Global Marketplace.
That’s why its important that Hillary has breasts. Because they say so. Fox News is the number one news channel in the Neilson ratings.
Check http://www.tvnewser.com for the numbers if you don’t mind getting queasy.
The good news is that Tucker the lying f**ker is tanking!
While I’m musing, I would also address the latter part of your post, Scarecrow – about “values” as missing the most vital values of them all – the classic virtues: generosity, humility, compassion, integrity, love, etc.
I would also be asking how the candidates plan to uphold the separation of church and state, how they plan to provide for protections of privacy and of free speech, how they plan to provide worker protections, etc – all framed within the Bill of Rights.
N=1 @ 30
All good questions.
This week’s On Language column in the NYT is about the word, cleavage.
N=1 @ 30
Hillary and Barack are going to pray about that. The separation of Church and State, especially.
All I want in 2008 is a president who will tell us the truth. Among all the candidates, who might that be?
TeddySanFran @ 22
The Rethugs want her as the candidate because they know she will be the easiest to beat.
hackworth @ 33
Yes, exactly. That’s why using the classic virtues might be useful as a questioning framework. They are close to universally accepted as desirable traits in the Western world, and who is going to say they are anti-prudence for crying out loud? *g*
semi-OT:
The discussions here and elsewhere about Hillarys campaign looking like Chimpys (the agressive military posture, the refusal to admit gross error) give me great pause. I’m not a fan, and I think there are at least 4 better choices in (and hovering above) the Democratic field.
But if Hillary wants to avoid the typical Rovian tactic of attacking the opponents strength, what better way than to make them attack Chimpy at the same time? It’s cynical and awful and damned bad, but they’re assuming she gets the nod. Long-term planning.
Just sayin’.
Bob Novak to a student at the Young America’s Foundation National Conservative Student Conference held at George Washington University on July 31:
Oklahoma kiddo @ 34
Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul
Oklahoma kiddo @ 34
I’d say Kucinich is the truthiest of the bunch. One question that would initiate lots of kabuki dancing is this one: What is you view regarding gay adoption?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 34
I’m wondering if we have ever or will ever have an “honest” president. Except for the Lewinski scandal, he was on my list for honest president. He still is really, since Monica had nothing to do with his leadership, as far as I am concerned anyway.
But what I wonder about is the MSM. You know how they were the original gatekeepers and all…and since the blogosphere has crashed those gates, I wonder if they feel a Democratic President woulkd further harm their trade. I mean, deep down, they can’t still be for this administration, can they?
hackworth @ 40
Well, there’s no absolute truth, but there are those who present their informed views based on available evidence, logic and reason.
I would look for someone who can tolerate ambiguity and who uses reason, critical thinking and logic. And someone who lives consistently with his or her stated path toward the virtues. (The link is to a post I wrote to try to figure out my own personal frame for looking at the world and to acknowledge the filters that I intentionally use and the filters I can’t shake.)
green heron @ 24
Good point. It is like they did with Kerry and Edwards by suggesting they were “girlie” because of the hair and French business.
hackworth @ 40
Are we adopting gays now?
hackworth @ 40
I am less interested in someone telling the “truth” what ever that is, and rather someone who will be skilled at turning this country around so that it is more responsive to the needs of the population as a whole – now and for the near future. The two are not the same. I honestly don’t know who would be best at doing that.
archie’s bunkbed @ 39
Ron Paul is pro-life. That position is a lie. Otherwise, I agree that he seems to tell the truth as he sees it. He wants out of Iraq and out of all manner of International affairs. Including NATO and the UN. Paul’s ideas do have some appeal, but careful analysis finds many flys in the ointment. When Republican and Libertarian ideals mesh, the Republican majority turn it into a Clusterfuck that hurts people.
OT
(CNN) — Taliban militants attacked a coalition military base in southern Afghanistan for the second time Saturday and the third time this week, the U.S.-led coalition said.
It warned the ambushes could “possibly be a rehearsal for a much bigger attack, possibly an attempt to completely overrun the post.”
Afghan and coalition soldiers at Firebase Anaconda in Uruzgan province fought off the attackers Saturday. Several Taliban militants were killed, and two insurgents were wounded and taken into custody.
hackworth @ 46
Hey Hack, you still feel like FDL is being over run by Lieberman like dems?
I just read N=1’s post on the classic virtues. I think it is wonderful, and it speaks to Scarecrow’s ideas. To be reading Scarecrow and N=1 is a joy.
Richmond @ 35
They should be careful as it could be a case of getting what you asked for and then discovering it wasn’t what you wanted.
Rudy thought Hillary was going to be an easy mark in the NY Y2K senate race. His prostate cancer gave him an easy excuse to drop out of the race, otherwise he would have been badly beaten by Hillary.
Bottomline is, the Rs may hope for her to be the candidate thinking she will be an easy mark and if they do, they will be sadly mistaken (IMNSHO)
Gays adopting: I don’t see why not, so long as they go thru the same stringent process Hetero’s do. Friends of mine have been trying to adopt a 2nd child for 2 years now. Eventually They will probably succeed. At the moment they are having medical tests: for TB & AIDS, and so on. Seems excessive.
I’m gonna go root around in my blog archives. Look what I found (for anyone who needs something to transport you from this national/global nightmare for a few minutes)
Or, like what we have now:
Dishonest enough.
Corrupt enough.
Manipulative enough.
Controlling enough.
Stubborn enough.
Evasive enough.
Conniving enough.
Secretive enough.
Oh, Puleeezze…..gimme America a break.
Hey, who are you calling embarrasing???
No one seems to get it. Which candidate is most likely to cut taxes for corporations and the very rich? Which candidate is most likely to support the continued conglomeration of commercial media? Which candidate will do the most for the filthy rich? That is the candidate or candidates mainstream media will support. They won’t ask the right questions, because people who will not support a plan to increase the already huge income inequality in this country cannot be allowed to look intelligent, capable, courageous, etc. Their media bosses, who stand to make bucks with the repeal of estate and other taxes, have decreed that it must be so.
I mean, deep down, they can’t still be for this administration, can they?
I think it depends on whether you’re talking about the owners or the actual reporters.
And as a quick OT – did anyone else think that the fluff piece David Gregory did with/about Tony Snow, and his cancer treatments, was proper?
I’m not saying it shouldn’t be reported, but I *do* have a problem with it having been reported by NBC’s White House Correspondent.
At the current time, all of the major democratic nominees beat all of the Republican nominees and the differences are pretty minor. I don’t want to completely rule out “electability”, but honestly, I think they’re all electible – and all of them will be smeared. That’s a given.
Given that’s the case, I’d suggest going for whoever you think would make the best president. For me, in the big 3, at this point, that’s Edwards. He ain’t perfect, but at least he doesn’t want to expand the army. At least he doesn’t believe in the “war on terror”. At least he talks about the poor and middle class like he means it.
Clinton will rule as a conservative Democrat. My guess is so will Obama.
Edwards might, but at least he’s saying things that indicate he wouldn’t.
hackworth @ 46
He is an obstetrician, that is why he is pro-life. His profession was to help bring life into the world. He has never said he was anti-choice.
jayt @ 56
David Gregory’s been on the dark side since rapping with Rove, as far as I’m concerned. He’s all kabuki, alla time.
Since I consider there to have been a coup d’etat in this country already — the Constitution is not IN DANGER OF being trashed; it HAS been trashed — the principal question that I would like to see posed to every person thinking of running for President is:
What specific steps will you take to undo the absolutist powers that have been acumulated in the Executive Branch and to restore three co-equal Branches of Government?
While we’re at it, that would be a good question, IMHO, to put to EVERY candidate for Congress, too. Oh, and candidates for judgeships, too.
Through the genius of our system, it should be possible to undo the quiet usurpation of our government that has happened and to do that without violence, but it will require facing the problem just as surely and resolutely as the Germans faced the aftermath of WWII.
N=1 @ 51
Thanks, that was beautiful.
David Gregory’s been on the dark side since rapping with Rove, as far as I’m concerned.
Yeah, I think that, even at Jack Welch’s NBC, that little trick hurt Gregory. David Schuster’s become the go-to guy for credibility, and has been getting more face-time than Gregory.
JPL @ 60
Isn’t it? Did you notice who performed it? Some other “‘hos from Rutgers,” albeit not a lot of “nappy-headed” ones in this particular bunch.
This is why we must take back the airwaves, the national conversation and restore the principles and practices of enlightenment. The raw sewage of the national media has poisoned the well of civil discourse. It’s time to identify it, eradicate it and make sweet those waters again so that all may drink and quench their thirst for logic, reason, critical thinking and arguments made on foundations of verifiable evidence(to sound just a wee bit biblical *g*).
We’d like to see a president who works against global warming, who supports privacy, wants to drastically improve on education, wants single payer health care, places diplomacy over war, will repair the Justice Department, believes in equal pay, supports minority and human rights, cares about, and will prioritize issues of abused children. Among other things. And above all we want a president who does not intenionally distort the truth.
Run Al Run!
I like the bumper sticker approach (non-exclusive, of course). slogans don’t need to be right or even make sense, if they make people *think*.
JESUS RUNS ON OIL, TOO !
BIG BROTHER IS OGLING YOUR BUTT
ELECTION IS FOR DEMOCRATS
SAVE THE FOREST, EAT A BEAVER
MY PARENTS GOT RAPTURED. WHERE’S MY T-SHIRT ?
I FEEL A DRAFT COMING
PROVE YOUR LOVE TO JESUS, SHAG A PRIEST
DON’T DO DRUGS, LOOK AT BUSH
etc…
TeddySanFran @ 59
Gregory comes across as one of the possible “objective” MSM reporters but after his “Sister Soulja” comment; of course referring to Hillary needing to dress down the YKos attendees, he’s one of the Kool Aid drinkers.
I’m with you Teddy- Martha’s Vineyard is just too cool a place and David loves the cocktail weenies there. He desperately wants to be one of the Kewl Kidz. He’s on the way to becoming another Chris Matthews. Too bad, because I’ve seen some potential for him being an Olbermann. It just doesn’t look like he will turn to the light.
There’s a new thread ready.
I wonder how congresspersons acquire their news. Do they just read the newspaper and try to find some time to sort through blogs.. Do they have staff that compiles news and verifies fact from propaganda.. If not, shouldn’t they have a few reliable folks compile the news in a truthy fashion for them…maybe post it on the web so everyone can have a look at the same source info from which to work on?
Two things bug me about the ‘Hillary issue’. When someone tells me they would vote for her “because” she’s a woman. And when someone suggests they would vote against her “because” she’s a woman.
Eureka Springs @ 69
Dangerous to have staffers make that decision too much. Personally I’d do both – have someone clipping – but also read the paper myself occasionally to see how I’m being spun by my own staff.
Ian, I agree, it’s one reason why I suggested posting it on the internet for ALL to see. If staffers and members of congress are simply reading and watching the MSM…almost anything would be an improvement.
I am still disturbed by a comment made by KagroX where someone told him after a recent meeting with Waxman…Waxman didn’t know what inherent contempt was.
Hearth Moon at 55,
You are right on the money! After the AFL-CIO Debate I sat through about an hour of post-debate talking heads and was amazed to hear the “heads,” award “winner” status to Hillary. This really floored me because my perception was that Obama, who was being attacked pretty hard from several sides on his Pakistan remark, not only held up well, but also made some damn good points. In fairness, Hillary did good with the “I’m your girl,” line, but that wasn’t enough to declare her the winner. Hell, Kucinich was the only one saying all the right things. If life were fair, they should have declared him the winner.
I see this all the time and it infuriates to see these corporate whores pimping their pre-selected candidate and ignoring everything that refutes their spin. I’m with you, the Democratic candidate least likely to sell themselves hook line and sinker to the corporate overllords is our best hope, and Hillary hasn’t given me any reason to believe that she hasn’t already sold us all out. I hate saying that, really I do, cause I voted for Bill twice because he was married to Hillary and I was hoping she could influence Bill the way Eleanor did FDR and I think she did her best. Sadly right now when I sniff her she has the odor of corporate toady. It breaks my heart.
I think Hillary’s toughness will impress a number of my sane republican friends. I know at least one who has already said she is the only candidate who has the strength to do what we need in the international sphere.
My personal concern is whether our candidate has the will to punish the republicans by saying out loud what we have been doing in the world, as revealed by Jane Mayer, the NSA spying, and so on, and also to get rid of the termites this miserable crowd of criminals have inserted into the government to rot it from the inside.
Kevster @ 67
Not Martha’s Vineyard. Anyone can get on the ferry and visit that island. Nantucket. Nothing public about it.
Scarecrow–When you wrote your July 13 (I think it was) piece did you know about Scully’s takedown of Gerson in the Atlantic? Hope this gets to you–I couldn’t help but wonder…
Richmond @ 45:
I will admit first off that I am an ardent Edwards supporter, but one of the things that got me there was that I think he really believes in the “we’re all in this together” meme: that we can’t “allow” some people to be hurt, without healthcare, out of work, not having access to good schools, etc., just because our own personal circumstances aren’t drastic.
I’ve met him, been @ fund-raisers, seen him even before he ran in 2004. I think he’s evolved a lot in terms of running for office, and I think he’s concluded that he’s just going to be who he is, raise the issues he believes in — the ones he believes are important for America — and hope that Americans will see that and agree.
To me that’s one of the reasons it’s so frustrating to me that he gets so little media coverage on substantive issues. He’s doing a lot to articulate positions on issues, but it’s not getting out there.
TeddySanFran @ 44
If we are, I want one. We’ve already adopted a little girl from China which raised the ire of some in my family. Hurdle crossed. Where do I sign up…..
I’ll keep this as simple as possible.
I think Obama said the right thing regarding AlQaedastan.
Every person deserving of being elected president thinks it. But while Republicans get a free pass – even praise – for airing batshit insane thoughts (”the bombing starts in 5 minutes”, “sure, let’s bomb Mecca”), the fact that
So… Would any President take out OBL given a good chance, and a plausible way of patching it up with Pakistan afterwards? Hell yeah. What, they’re gonna fucking nuke us? I don’t think so. Islamists engineer a coup and get the bomb? Still, what the fuck are they gonna do with it. And, it gives us additional leverage against the current regime if we have to prop them up.
But for a Democrat to be noted for striking “too tough” a stance makes him “more electable”. Never mind that the stance is by no means “too tough”. Just being seen as being criticized for that is enough.
And, of course, the extra double bonus is that it highlights the real subtext of his Iraq war position, one that is easily understanable to the general populace; we should be aggressive in getting OBL – and the front line in the GWOT is not in Iraq.
My view – this “controversy” reflects badly on Democrats in general, but benefits Obama. The other Democratic candidates fall into a trap when they try to criticize Obama for this. So do individual Democrats.
The only real line of attack against him is the “yeah, but you shouldn’t say it out loud” line, and that is very thin gruel.
Scarecrow’s take on the whole dicotemy of a candidates qualities of toughness and wise deliberation and “softness”, as opposed to weakness is valid. Men and women often have both toughness and “softness”. This year several candidates make that claim. Obama is learning as he goes. He has time to show the former. Edwards has both qualities, but is still getting traction. Hillary has proven to have mastered the formula and will carry it to Nov. 09 and beyond. We can be comfortable that she’ll know when to show those characteristics and keep us prosperous, lawbiding , respected and safe.
If you just woke up from a coma, what party would you think people were discussing when they said the two front-runners in a presidential primary were arguing whether to invade an ally with conventional or nuclear weapons?
Dennis Kucinich — the only candidate who does exactly that. I know he isn’t considered a frontrunner but at this stage the average voter is just using name recognition.
Can anybody say they watched the debates and didn’t come away thinking that DK has the right message?
Picture this – President Kucinich at the UN, or in peace talks with the middle east or Russia. Would you worry that he would not represent this country well, look out for our interests while not inspiring rage from abroad?
All I’m saying is it would be pleasant for a change to have a President we could really trust.
Let’s make the topic Republican flaws–not our candidates supposed shortcomings.
And, while i agree with the author’s points about the media narrative, that says nothing about Hillary Clinton’s qualifications for Preznt.
And what are those qualifications? Given her Senatorial track record, add it to the rest of her experience, and Hillary Clinton has zero qualifications for the nomination or Prznt.
That’s particularly true given the current state of, well, everything American: http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..133832/894
“I think Hillary’s toughness will impress a number of my sane republican friends”
Could be, but for every republican she impresses with how tough she WAS:
at staying the course…
at helping Joe Lieberman in the primary against Ned Lamont…
at supporting the escalation of the shitmire.
at recently blaming “the Iraqi government” for what’s going on in Iraq…
at taking quite a lot of money from AIPAC (which you may remember, has SOME interest in keeping us up to our nostrils, in Iraq…)
for refusing to state, once and for all, that her vote to authorize was a mistake…
For being “tough” on all of this, she has lost probably a thousand progressive democrats for every republican she has gained.
Masaccio, republicans are simply NOT going to support Hillary Clinton in any shape or way that will help her get elected.
Period. Exclamation point.
Forced into choosing, they would rather vote for Jane Fonda.
If the democratic party IS stupid enough and suidical enough to nominate her, we will have another cliff-hanger (if we’re lucky) for them to steal.
Please, deal with it.
What really pisses me off is that the MSM doesn’t seem to even ask the rudimentary questions that are REALLY involved in governing this country.
They ask candidates questions about their religious faith…even though we know this is not only an “UNConstitutional Issue” (”no religious test”) but that PROFESSED PUBLIC DEVOUTNESS is not only anathema to some religious faiths but a terrible measure of a persons actual moral and ethical standards. Look at all the scores of cases where those who were supposedly most “religious” actually were the most hypocritical.
This obsession by the MSM on candidates weight, “blackness”, attire, looks, hieght, etc. indicates to me that they are incompetant to any more “act in the public interest” by informaing the public on the critical policy issues of the day.
Maybe they’d rather have the public select the next President on their singing voices and presentation a la “American Idol”. These interviewers and debate emcees look like they think this is a vote for who stays in the “Big Brother” house…not President!
Do they really think the American people are all idiots? Is that why they avoid anything of substance in their comments…or ARE THEY THE IDIOTS?
Perhaps all these MSM “hosts” will be interviewing for jobs as gameshow and reality show hosts once their ratings plummet because no one listens to their “Romney’s cologne isn’t tangy enough…he needs to use a bit more of Barack Obamas…and Dodd’s is too musky…I caught Hillary’s and it has a pleasant smell of vanilla.”
Regarding all this talk about going after Al Qaeda in Pakistan…seems to me that there are a ton of ways to pressure Pakistan (even before the “actionable intelligence” comes in) to give the US the “green light” to get bin Laden or to do so themselves.
Or is Pakistan another Afghanistan under the Taliban?
I’d also think that any President who takes office should be pressuring Pakistan in just this manner, and providing every assistance to capturing for trial these criminals.
And if Pakistan refuses to do so then they should be told that they are behaving just as the Talibanic Afghan government was. And sanctions should be applied.
If the Pakistanis give the US a “green light” (and I suspect that such might already exist…but Musharraf can’t publicly announce it…every effort to avoid civilian and US casualties in any effort to capture bin Laden should occur. The biggest efforts should be made to allow cross-border surveillance…because onceyou can locate him, and track him, the opportunities dramatically increase…and the risks to personnel and non-combatants can be reduced dramatically.
This election process has become all about gender and race. We need to get beyond that. The clock is ticking and all we talk about is her gender and his race. We need to focus on the issues. It takes more than gender/race and money to actually lead. Mitt Romney is lurking and smiling!
mighty mouse @ 76
Uh, no. I wrote my July piece without ever having heard of Matt Scully. If you mean this piece in The Atlantic, it’s dated September 2007. Maybe I don’t understand the question.
Apparently, you have never been the target of a clique of middle school girls. A more vicious, psychologically violent and emotionally devastating entity does not exist. *shivver*
I still have scars decades later.
And those girls grow up and become suburbanites and form new cliques where they continue to rampage through the cul-de-sacs and ravage the hearts of unsuspecting women.
Oh, no, my friend, women are not the more peaceful sex. i guarantee you, if Clinton reaches the WH, she will be fearsome.
I wonder why no one is paying more attention to Bill Richardson?
He’s a proven diplomat, knows how to work with the UN, seems to have the most realistic energy plan….
Someone help me out here.
Why isn’t Richardson getting more play, do you think?
IN
deandra @ 87
How about a deft advert/campaign contrasting Mitt’s 5 sons–who didn’t serve–to the 5 Iowa Sullivan brothers?
All of which served in WWI–and all of whom died. Romney stood up there in front of God, the country and everybody and said “they’re serving by helping getting me elected.”
And nobody capitalized on that. One hard-hitting advertisement, constantly repeated, should sink his campaign. “Band of Brothers?” “In 1942, five brothers from Iowa, [show photos and name them] served their country. They made the ultimate sacrifice.” “Today, to Tagg Romney, Matt Romney, Josh Romney, Ben Romney, and Craig Romney refuse to serve their country. ” [Show their faces, quote their cavalier words.] “They cavort around the country in an RV while the rest of goes to work each morning. They make excuses while Pat Tillman, etc. {names & photos} serve and die in Iraq, yesterday, today, and tomorrow. “
“This is the kind of responsibility Mitt Romney taught his sons. This is why Mitt Romney is unfit to lead this country.”
I’m tired of milqutoast half-wit Democrats letting this shite slide. Hillary Clinton’s wardrobe adn cleavage is an issue because Democrats let it be an issue–and never make the issue the other guy. What about McCain’s support for torture? NO irony there?
portia.vz @ 89
So, since that is the case, as you ably point out, why would I vote for Hillary Clinton?