Alice B @ 113

I heard that there was no earthquake in Utah, and they quit rescue operations for a while because of seismic activity was BS. Operator just wanted a break so he wouldn’t have to pay overtime. One can never be too cynical with these types.

There definitely was seismic activity. It is clearly evident on the quake maps. At the time of the collapse, it was 3.9. There has also been additional activity or aftershocks. There were something like 19 events on the map of Utah, I think around that time. I believe it is entirely possible that it was caused by an earthquake. The spin back and forth has to do with who is responsible.

There are low magnitude earthquakes in these areas all the time. A 3.9 is extremely weak. Remeber that the Richter Scale is a logrthymic one. A 4.0 is 10 times stronger than a 3.9…and a 4.1 ten times stronger than the 4.0.

That means you have to go a long ways for an earthquake to occur that will actually shake something off a your dinner table. Much less cause a house to collapse.

If these mines are collapsing in NORMATIVE earthquakes of this size then standards to protect workers in them aren’t worth shite!

If that’s what’s diriving the destruction of the Constitution, then it is time for the people of the “Blue Dog” districts, to get in there and explain thing to the “Blue Dogs.” And to be prepared to follow through with no money and no vote. That’s hard ball.

A little research will introduce you to “B-1 Bomber Bob Dornan” — the rightwing warmonger scumbag who Sanchez defeated. TWELVE YEARS he held that district, with famous utterances such as:

In a 1986 U.S. House speech, he called Russian journalist Vladimir Posner a “disloyal, betraying little Jew who sits there on television claiming that he is somehow or other a newsman.”[4]
“Every lesbian spear chucker in this country is hoping I get defeated.” — to a Los Angeles television reporter in 1992.[5]
On a January 28, 1994 appearance on Politically Incorrect, Dornan declared it was “The Year of the Pen*s” due to recent events in the news. In reference to this comment, Representative Barney Frank noted “Bob Dornan isn’t even rational on the House floor. You can’t expect him to be rational on Politically Incorrect.”[6]
“You are a slimy coward. Go register in another party.” — to fellow Republican William Dougherty after he supported Dornan’s opponent in 1996.[7]
“Don’t use the word ‘gay’ unless it’s an acronym for ‘Got Aids Yet?’.”[1]
In 1994, a 120 page book of quotations of Dornan was compiled by Nathan Callahan and William Payton and published as Shut Up, Fag! The quotation that gives the book the title was actually shouted by Dornan’s wife, Sallie, at an AIDS activist during an Orange County town forum. — wikipedia

Without a sense of CONTEXT, would be purifiers of the political system simply ANNOUNCE that the Blue Dogs will be removed. Snap your fingers, and they just cease to exist! It’s beautiful.

And don’t forget to kick the Speaker for talking to them when they show up as elected officials.

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They’re building the C-17 at Boeing in Long Beach. It’s the only thing keeping that plant alive, and there’s enough jobs on the line that people really want the contract to keep going.]

You have to live around here to understand that most of the aerospace industry has moved to other states – like Texas and Alabama. SoCal got hit hard by Bush41’s cutbacks and his recession, so preventing more of the same is high on the list of a lot of politicians. (I know people who got laid off from aerospace in 1991/1992 and have had a hard time getting a decent-paying job ever since; the jobs left permanently. No one wants middle-aged programmers.)

I just moved from California. If that’s the kind of politics that go on in San Diego, then we should learnan to play hard ball the other way. If Boeing wont’ build it in Long Beach, then they should lose the money for the contract! Dont’ tell me it’ll never happen. Elected officials what to get re-elected

selise @ 58

don’t know if this is true… but when i was investigating what happened with fisa earlier this week, i was told there was a ton of pressure on pelosi from conservative freshmen.

make of it what you will…

My take is it seems like the pressure should have been going the other way. And if Pelosi was pressured why didn’t she just say so rather than engage in what was not only a deceitful but cowardly exercise. Of course, none of this gets to the orchestration between Reid and Pelosi to get this bill passed. What do freshmen Representatives have to do with Harry Reid anyway?

Shouldn’t Pelosi and Reid be able to take some pressure? They’re certainly getting some from us. So it isn’t like they avoided it. And what was it that Harry Truman said? If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

Finally, this seems like another trial balloon to deflect criticism away from where it belongs, squarely with Pelosi and Reid.

And from what we’ve read here and at Blue America, we can assume that the pressuring freshmen were Emanuel’s picks, right? Now, that’s the place to start pressuring right back. Perhaps Emanuel can drop them a hint, now that he’s witnessed the effectiveness of Netroots’ candidates over his own.

You have to live around here to understand that most of the aerospace industry has moved to other states – like Texas and Alabama. SoCal got hit hard by Bush41’s cutbacks and his recession, so preventing more of the same is high on the list of a lot of politicians. (I know people who got laid off from aerospace in 1991/1992 and have had a hard time getting a decent-paying job ever since; the jobs left permanently. No one wants middle-aged programmers.)