Rep. Hilda Solis (D-CA) on the floor of the House talking about the SCHIP legislation. You can help Rep. Solis advance a progressive agenda by contributing to her via Blue America.
Chris Bowers at OpenLeft and Simon Rosenberg at NDN both have some critical peeks at the electoral numbers from the last election cycle. And while the numbers and analysis may prove shocking to the David Broders of the punditocracy, they back up what we've been talking about across the broad spectrum of progressive blogs: the victory that brought Democrats into the majority in both houses of Congress in 2006 was a progressive victory, not a centrist one.
And the Democratic leadership and consultant classes ignore that vital piece of information at their own peril.
Let's take a single issue as a case study on why progressive politics matter to all of us -- and as an example of how Democrats, adhering to progressive values in legislating, can not only do some good but can also reach out to a vital piece of the base that has been shoved to the side for far too long -- the working poor. As Ruth Marcus points out in a WaPo op-ed today, the SCHIP legislation recently passed by Congress has gotten a lot of GOP heat -- factually inaccurate, trumped up, false heat, but heat nonetheless:
...Bashing Democrats on immigration -- accusing them of doing everything but carrying illegals' luggage across the border -- is a GOP mainstay. But the accusations that Republicans started to peddle last week reached a new low in dishonest nativism.
The first salvo involved the House version of the measure to extend the children's health insurance plan, SCHIP....
Paid, fed and sheltered? Federal law already prohibits this. But this debate isn't really about making good use of federal funds. It's about using immigration as a weapon against at-risk Democrats -- and assuming voters won't bother to learn the truth.
As Jane has already pointed out, the GOP keeps on trumping up their spew on immigration at a price -- and the numbers show that the hispanic vote, in particular, does not favor the Republican party as a result of their constant racially-tinged malignancy. SCHIP as an "illegal" immigrant bonanza? It's just so much bullshit, and Rush Limbaugh has been at the forefront of the wingnut Wurlitzer's factually inaccurate malarky peddling:
First here is an editorial from yesterday's Washington Times. "Unsatisfied with thwarting a Republican effort to authorize $3 billion for a border fence, congressional Democrats are trying to enhance the incentive for illegal aliens to enter the United States by removing the citizenship requirement from the popular State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)."...So this is the sneaky way that the left is attempting to get universal health care without taking it in one big bite. They do it in a stealth fashion, and they put it under the guise, (sniveling voice) "It's for the little children. We cannot deny the children health care. There's so many of them without insurance." So it's a sneaky little thing, and now to expand it even further; remember this is about the redistribution of wealth. This is about controlling people. This is about eliminating or putting as many obstacles in the way to acquiring wealth, by the way, on the part of wage earners as possible.
Here is the truth. Having worked with at-risk kids for years in my legal practice, both in my own firm often as a guardian ad litem representing the kids or as a prosecutor representing the state's interests against abusive parents, the problem of uninsured children living in poverty, and of the working poor, is enormous. Most especially because these children have health care issues that desperately need to be addressed, but cannot be because the only recourse uninsured or underinsured parents have in this situation is to continually take their children to the emergency room where care is costly and far too often comes with little to no follow-up. Which can be disastrous. (via the Children's Defense Fund)
Deamonte Driver, died at the age of 12, Prince George's County, Maryland: Deamonte Driver, a seventh grader in Prince George’s County, Maryland, just outside of Washington, D.C., died because he couldn’t find a dentist who would accept Medicaid and his mother couldn’t afford an $80 tooth extraction. The inexcusable loss of this 12-year-old’s life started when he complained of a toothache. His mother, Alyce, who works at low-paying jobs, had been focused on finding a dentist to see Deamonte’s brother, who had six rotting teeth, when Deamonte began complaining of pain.
After an unsuccessful search for a dentist who would accept Medicaid, Alyce took Deamonte to a hospital emergency room where he was given medicine for a headache, sinusitis and dental abscess and then sent home. But his condition soon took a turn for the worse, and he was back at the hospital being rushed to surgery where it was discovered that the bacteria from his abscessed tooth had spread to his brain. Heroic efforts were made to save him, including two operations and eight weeks of additional care and therapy, totaling about $250,000. Unfortunately, it was all too late. He died on February 25....
This child died due to a missed $80 tooth extraction. It was not his fault that his family could not afford it, nor was it is fault that the emergency room visit was inadequate -- you get the best care they can give you in the moment, but medical professionals will tell you that is no substitute for an ongoing preventive care relationship with a medical doctor who has up-to-date family history and who can do follow-up care.
Preventive medicine for families with no health insurance is spotty at best, and it is the children in these families who suffer the most for it, because they have an entire lifetime to live out the consequences of this medical neglect. Hard-working low-income parents have difficulties with this often because of costs that exceed the parents' ability to pay, but it is the children who must suffer the consequences for this in the end.
Rep. Steve Kagan (D-WI) sees this every day in his medical practice: (via Balt.Sun)
Dr. Kagen knows. Give him a few minutes and the allergy specialist will tell you one story after another about patients who were not following his prescriptions simply because they could not afford the medication. He ran for Congress, he says, so Americans would no longer have to choose between buying their next pill or their next meal.
Republicans are trying to block SCHIP, and President Bush has threatened to veto it, not because it isn't desperately needed -- because it is for a whole lot of families -- but because they want to make political use of it in the next election cycle by couching it in terms of "us versus them," trying to make a bogeyman out of all sorts of "brown folks" who are not supposed to be covered by SCHIP anyway if they come to this country illegally.
As LatinaLista recently noted, 96 percent of America's children are legal residents in this country. So, where's the scary bogeyman now?
Using class and color bait under the guise of the rule of law that the Republican party otherwise could care less about is unconscionable and extremely dishonest. The fact is that immigration issues are immensely complicated, and that a lot of families are entertwined with both legal and illegal issues -- so does that mean to the GOP that legal immigrant children should suffer simply because they might look like others who might be undocumented? I don't even know where to start with something that asinine and narrow minded, including the deliberate and willful feigned "ignorance" on the issue of accountability:
The House provision makes the documentation requirement optional for states, which, after all, have an interest in seeing that their Medicaid dollars are spent properly. Adults on Medicaid would still have to prove citizenship, swear that their children are citizens and provide their children's Social Security numbers. And states would have to conduct annual audits to ensure that no illegal immigrants are being covered.
Opponents point to Congressional Budget Office estimates that lifting the documentation requirement would raise costs $2 billion over 10 years. But, CBO Director Peter Orszag told me, that's almost entirely because it would increase enrollment of eligible children.
The Republican party is lying. Again. And they are using divisive, inaccurate rhetoric to advance their corporate welfare agenda. Again.
Which is why calling their bluff and voting SCHIP through Congress was so important. And why understanding that the vast majority of Americans value politicians taking a stand on issues that are important to progressives, rather than running away from them due to electoral worries. As Chris and Simon's number crunching shows, Democratic victories hinge on one important thing: acting like Democrats.
The whole "bipartisanship above all else" conventional Beltway wisdom is just so much crap. What people want is leadership -- and what can be better than leadership which lifts children in poverty up so that they can actually have a future, instead of losing it like Deamonte Driver did over an $80 tooth extraction that came too late for him to survive.
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Exactly so, Christy.
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Morning Christy!
Morning…
Just now getting to the Lake.
Morning all — this one took a while to pull together. Sorry for the length, but it needed saying this morning.
Wow! Solis is wonderful! Thanks for the clip;->
One thing I’ve not seen mentioned about medical care for imigrants is infectious diseases. I think we really don’t want en epidemic to start among that segment of the population. (Bird flu anyone? How quickly we forget.) But public health has gone the way of everything else that has public in its name.
I had a conversation with my fiancee this morning about the misdirection that the media and the current administration is pulling. All of the War on Terra and fear mongering has created a class of tin-foil hatters looking for the next Osama among their refugee neighbors, while the proto-fascists are gutting the last of what we knew as American ideals.
This posting exemplifies that perfectly. The chattering class is so busy creating fear of the other, we can’t see where our true problems and possible solutions lay. Bi-partisanship is a ruse to keep us in the dark and under their sway.
Stand up. Keep fighting! –Paul Wellstone
Pusillanimous prevaricators.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 7
Don’t make me come in there!
So help me, young lady, if you apologize for the length of your beautiful posts one more time, I’ll…, I’ll…,(!) *g*
Withholding medical care just makes no sense on any level.
Kristol likes Hillary? There can be only one conclusion. Run away! Billy K wants more of the same. It’s time, however, for real change, like Obama. Hillary was pro the war. She then showed bad judgment again by trying to downplay it and by not admitting she was wrong. Guess who is owned by, ooops I mean taking contributions from lobbyists and who isn’t?
FDR was right: the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Change is needed. Let’s be courageous.
“Hillary Clinton, Neocon? The blogosphere is atwitter today with the quote in the Washington Post from Bill Kristol, the editor of the Weekly Standard, that “Hillary Clinton is becoming the responsible Democrat who could become commander in chief in a post-9/11 world.”
(snip)
Back in the real world, Bartlett’s compatriot Matthew Iglesias, sees this as being less about political gamesmanship than ideology: “One can try to speculate that Kristol is playing some odd angles here, but I think the record indicates that he’s genuinely more committed to war — criticized Republican critics of the Kosovo War, criticized Bill Clinton for not killing enough people during the Kosovo War, backed John McCain in the 2000 primaries — and based on the evidence thinks Clinton will be more sympathetic to his agenda than the alternatives.”
Further to the left, however, the approval of the Weekly Standard isn’t considered a mark of distinction. Arthur Silber at Once Upon a Time feels a Democrat will be considered “responsible” only “if you think the United States should still have troops in Iraq at the end of your second term as president, which is to say, at least through the end of 2016 — which is, of course, the view of the entrenched foreign policy establishment that believes in a foreign policy of aggressive, neverending global interventionism maintained by an empire of military bases around the world, all to guarantee American hegemony.””
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/?hp
What damned elections? There aren’t going to be anymore elections in this country. The King has a little surprise for us all between now and 08. We already live in a police state. What Constitution? What laws. The king has already paid Blackwater to build and staff concentration camps. Do you think they’re doing that for nothing.
Democrats must stand for Confrontation and Not Cowardice!
The only way to fight this Repug scourge, is to stand up and call them out. Not once, not twice, but every single feckin’ time!
If they lie, call them Liars!
If they steal, call them Thieves!
If they kill our soldiers, our parents, our children, our friends, call them Murderers!
Do.Not.Give.Them.One.Inch! EVER!
eCAHN at 9 — That’s a really good point, and one that I simply ran out of time and space to hit in this piece. But it isn’t just potential flu epidemics, it is also all sorts of epidemiological issues including TB which put everyone at risk. There are very good reasons to keep an eye on all of this and to provide preventive care for the public’s well-being. And that gets shoved to the side entirely in the “scary, scary” us versus them rhetoric. It really ought to be “what’s best for all of us.”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 7
Yes, you should be ashamed. When I get distracted by reading these marvelously constructed tomes, all hope of snatching the zed vanish utterly.
cynic at 15 — I think you are wrong. There will be an election, and fearmongering on our side of the aisle is just as bad as coming at it from the other side. But maybe that’s just me…
Just sent a few bucks to Hilda Solis ( 10% tip). Thanks CHS.
PB @ 18
excuses… excuses… heh, me too *g*
I think this is all a part of Rove’s strategery. Immigration is his latest version of the divide and conquer road tour. (Last time the issue was gay marriage). Is immigration a top priority for most Americans, not that I’m aware of, but neither was gay marriage but Rove made it a top election year issue…with the aide and assistance of the beltway punditry world. I just think the math on this issue won’t be there for him.
emal @ 22
MSNBC cooperating just dandy by giving Pat Buchanan bully pulpit to spew his bile. Unfair and imbalanced. Last word. Shout-overs. Solo time.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 19
I also think there will be an election, but I have grave doubts that it will be an honest one, unless people vote so overwhelmingly Democratic that it can’t be covered up…
this is OT….but is anyone else disturbed about what’s going on at that Utah mine? In particular, that the guy in charge seems to be more interested in covering his ass than getting those guys out of there?
“Rescue them dead or alive”??
What IS this bullshit, and why is it not getting more attention? (I don’t mean here)
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/.....index.html
Prairie Sunshine @ 23
CNN with Lou Dobbs.
Christy - you guys do the hard work to put this stuff together into a way to help the rest of us boneheads understand the implications. Never ever apologize for that. The educational process is necessary to combat the “junk food edu-tainment” out there.
Another thing the GOP uses besides fear is the whole “someone else (who doesn’t look like you) is going to get xxx (some perceived advantage) that you (or your kids or your wife or your brother or your parents) won’t get.” It is that whole classism/racism/money-ism thing in disguise. This is a stick that has been used for years and years. Shoot, it’s a stick that has been used in the 19th Century. When people feel vulnerable, it’s the easy and effective stick to use. It’s an emotional tool, so using logic and reason may not be the most effective tool against it. I think we need to appeal to everyone — because everyone has relatives or friends who are hurting, or has heard of someone at work whose spouse has gotten laid off and they’ve lost their health insurance, or whatever. This is hitting everyone…except for those smug self-satisfied people who already “have theirs” or have enough money that the issue is a non-issue for them. so the appeal has to be to the heart as well as to the head.
So….the proposed SCHIP law will not provide benefits to the illegals? I’m ok with that. Why not just insert a sentence or two in the language of the law: i.e., “this law (SCHIP) does not apply to illegals”. Seems like that would quiet down the R team.
Ghostman
Powerful piece Christy. Thanks. I have been doing research of late (for my work) on the power of political symbols. The Dems need A LOT of remedial work on this. The Rethugs are pros. Pups might want to take a look at John Fraim’s insightful and often funny “Battle of Symbols: Global Dynamics of Advertising, Entertainment and the Media.” It deals in part with 9/11’s aftermath and the Repub party’s use of symbols thereof (remember the Oklahoma license plate with the twin towers now for sale promoting anti-terrorise). But this work is relevant here too. Also, for those with access to J-Stor and more of an academic interst, see Rebecca Klatch’s “Of Meanings and Masters: Political Symbolism and Political Action.” She runs through a broad sweep of theoretical views and their striking political complements-anti-war and others. Among various scholars she cites Eric Hoffer (The True Believer) on how the poor and alienated in society often hold on hardest to the symbols of power promoted by the rich and powerful (war, flags, security). I would note too in view of the issue of minority presence here now we have two now largely disempowered groups (American underclass and outsider migrant labor)both being further alienated from the benefits of the state (wages, decent housing, health care) suggesting they have an even greater need to believe in these symbols of power (being promoted by the Rethugs). On a more positive note, if we (Dems) can find a way to create new symbols -which in a liminal era are more open to accepance (via Victor Turner) we may be able to reach them. Alas, now the Madison avenue symbol fashioners are all largely working either for big business, or for big-business approved political candidates. In short, the creative energy, and both financial and media means to disseminate these symbols and make them at oncecompelling and viable are largely out of our reach.
Ghostman at 28 — They did. And the GOP is still mouthing off about it. Rinse. Lather. Repeat.
PB @ 24
I tend to agree, but I can’t help feeling that Rove has been conditioning the American people to accept, really accept, outrageous WH behavior.
Christy:
I hope you’re right. I pray you’re right. But I’m too old, and have seen to much to believe that you’re right. Explain, (upstairs) if you will, why we have all the “laws in place” to completely stifle civil dissent, and the people who supposedly represent us were incapable of playing hard enough ball to maintain the rule of law? You can disappear today, be held without trial, be economically ruined and transported to a concentration camp, and it’s all legal.
That’s not fear-mongering. It’s the truth of the situation. The power is there. It’s there for a reason. Historically, when power has been there, it has been used.
People ought to be personally talking to their representitives. The Dems are not the only game in town. They’re the same game as the Rethugs. What’s the point of voting. They don’t protect us anyway. Why not withold any money from them, and any support of any kind if they don’t fix some things in the next session. Yeah, maybe they’ll lose, but what’s the difference if they don’t vote to restore the Constitution? The results are the same. We now live in a police state, and they are only waiting to spring the trap.
We have the power, we just don’t know how to use it….and apparently, we’ll never learn.
And before everyone jumps on me about the voting, please remember that I fought for this country too, and I will vote, but I will write in my cat if the people running are as unresponsive to the people who put them there as this group seems to be. Hard ball is played in back rooms with people’s pet pork projects….or with defunding certain areas of government, quietly, but doing it until they have no money to run anything but the war…..and no one at the Pentagon to run it with. That’ll get their attention. It is not, for example, unconstitutional to cut the President’s salary to 30,000 a year. It’s a public service job. He should be willing to serve his country.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 30
Well then….in that case, the problem gets back to the lack of will of the D team to stand up and fight. Much, much has been written here on my beloved D team’s lack of fighting will. Sigh.
Ghostman
The Democrats, as they continue to identify themselves, are not progressive. There needs to be a progressive party in which we have a different choice other than what we currently have.
OT
Apparently there was a tornado in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. Report on radio that roofs are ripped off of brownstones, which is simply amazing. Then the usual stuff about downed trees & smashed cars.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 30
I know “Mudcat” Saunders is not well liked around here. He did however, have a good suggestion. If the Republiscum want to use faith as a basis of their policies, why can’t the Democrats throw it back in their face. Case in point. The kids. For those that believe in Jesus, in the New Testament he says, “That what you do to the least of my brothers, that which you do unto me.” I think we all know what that means. So hammer the Republiscum with it. Ask them if they really believe in the bible, how can they let the children suffer. I guess what I am saying it, if we used every tool in the toolbox, we could send the Republiscum the way of the Whigs.
The really sad thing is, as bad as it is, kids and the elderly probably have the best potential for getting medical care. It is the group between 19 and 65 that really get screwed. Kids that I had operated on as newborns and usually several more times after that couldn’t get insurance as adults because of pre-existing conditions.
I don’t care where a kid comes from. If that child is in our country and is sick, I want that kid treated.
Ghostman @ 33
C-Span, last night, broadcast a roundtable moderated by Thom Hartmann that addressed just that, along with other issues. The roundtable took place on July 14th I believe. They all agreed, we need better Democratic leadership and that it is up to us to demand it.
Meanwhile, more raids coming:
But Republicans, it seems are too distracted by uh. . .other matters to deal seriously with immigration.
Unless the immigrants in question are well hung.
Steve-AR @ 37
Part of the reason is that old people vote. Young people don’t.
Steve-AR at 37 — That is a whole series of posts in and of itself. And it is maddening to see it unfold — especially in law enforcement terms just in the area of mental health preventive care. Beyond appalling that someone cannot get necessary medication to deal with a chemical imbalance that leads to violent behavior when not treated unless and until they are arrested and on probation.
And I could go on and on and on about the impact that this has on the entire system…
My party is failing to realize that the victory last November was propelled by common sense people; compassionate folks who know the definition of fairness.
The Hispanic vote is ours for at least a generation.
Illegal immigration will be the lead wedge issue for the GOP in 08-just as in 02,04 and 06 (gay marriage) there will be a passel of anti-immigration ballot measures to rally the wacky 25%.
It won’t work and will end up mobilizing more Latinos than whackjobs.
Anything the wingnuts can do to keep us all infighting with each other detracts from all the damage they’re doing. Without chaos and infighting,it’s kinda hard to steal and cheat because alot more people notice(see,for example,Occupation,Iraq).
Uniter not a Divider my ass.
This is REAL personal for me. My parents and siblings don’t speak to me or my kids because their religion and politics pretty much demands it. I’m going to hell,I’m evil,you know the drill. So yeah,I take it personally,maybe too much.
The list of their “real americans”is very,very small. This one thing has allowed more damage to occur than perhaps anything else. They could not have done all this without getting people to hate each other first.
Health care is something near and dear to whats left of my heart, no child should ever have to suffer such a fate as in the above. As an adult I have weather healthcare insults, to let children die in such a way, is beyond the pale. To reject this type of bill only underscores the absence of compassion and basic lack of humanity the has become the hallmark of this administration and its admirers.
’sfunny how immigration will bite the GOP in the ass. By whipping up a climate of anti-foreigner bile (especially against brown foreigners) they’ve encouraged plenty of permanent residents to file those N-400s that, USCIS processing permitting [rolls eyes] will bump up the voter rolls for 2008.
Of course, the obvious response will be voter intimidation, with pasty Young Republicans giving the stink-eye to people committing the crime of Voting While Brown.
Oh, and let’s not forget the limbic principle to oppose S-CHIP on the right: the perception that those swarthy folks are outbreeding the pasty majority, and that access to healthcare just encourages their rutting. In other news, Michelle Duggar just had baby #17.
Kevster @ 45
They are the largest group joining Pentecostal churches now. I fear that the whole right wing framing of abortion, birth control, marriage and similar issues will impact them as well. In short, I won’t count them eggs yet.
And then there’s this:
eCAHNomics @ 35
Might have been part of the same weather system that tore across us in n.e. OH last night. Looked and sounded horrible w/ non-stop lightening and rumbling, but we were lucky, because all the fury of it was up high.
Still, yesterday, there was flash-flooding all over the place in odd spots not used to such.
Agreed. Brooklyn?! egad.
hey norquist a la roverbooschtick! how’s that infrastructure-be-dam*ed gig goin’ for ya?
Medical care in an advanced society is essentially a human right. Doesn’t matter what color the skin, or what religion, etc. That’s how I’d like to see the Ds frame the debate.
On the bright side of the NYC storm it did flood the fox propaganda room.
I will say, however, that there’s a different wedge that the GOP might take w/r/t S-CHIP, and that’s divide-and-conquer across the generational gap. Seniors vote. Kids don’t. And parents of kids likely to benefit from S-CHIP don’t vote as much as seniors.
My guess was that Lap Dog Heath Shuler voted against S-CHIP because he doesn’t want to piss off the Bircher retirees in his district.
argosfalcon @ 53
whoot! gee, hope they didn’t lose any important data.
OT via TPMmuckraker, the much investigated Ted Stevens returns to Alaska
More proof that Republicans do have a sense of humor. They just don’t know it.
Kevster @ 45
That is the only “bright side” to this shameful mess. I think the Rove “Republican Majority for ever” was predicated on the Hispanic vote. By not being able to keep the lizard brains under control, that plan has gone into the shitter.
I’m gonna opine here a bit:
Christy, it’s the steady and trusting relationship a patient or a family has with a healthcare provider (not confined to solely physicians) that makes the critical difference. The history of community health nursing is my case in point. In the late 1890s and through the 1920s it was a cadre of trained nurses - first in NY - who climbed fire escaped and visited families in tenements - they formed the Visiting Nurse Service of NY, which is still going great guns. They taught families basic hygiene, disease prevention, contraception (Yes - it wasn’t abstinence only crap), well child care, nutrition - you name it - they taught families how to not only survive, but to thrive. These activist nurses became university professors of nursing as that occupation moved form an apprentice based training model to an independent, scholarly university-based model.
Dentists may serve as another primary healthcare provider who can teach many of the same skills and health principles.
We have a nursing shortage growing in true crisis proportions. Primary care physicians are also becoming more and more scarce.
We pay nursing faculty LESS than the greenest of green two year community college new graduate.
Children don’t vote. Nurses, physicians and dentists carry a professional obligation to advocate for all patients - especially those who don’t themselves have a voting voice. And now FDL readers can carry that message and advocate as well. Blog whoring - I write about patient advocacy ad nauseum, and you can search that term to read the archives.
But it’s critical that everyone become much more aware of professional nursing and the role it plays in the nation’s health. Nurses receive no press and no coverage for the research that they do, for the contributions to health that they make (RNs provide 95% of ALL healthcare services, didja know?), and the little reported fact that preventable deaths and morbidity (complications) are significantly lowered when patients are cared for by a baccalaureate-educated registered nurse.
Rove is the mastermind behind all this immigration fuss. This individual is one of the nastiest pieces of work to ever come down the pike. Him and Tom Delay.
Look Karl. Go after the employers of illegals. If you have the nerve. Of course you won’t. Because these employers and shareholders are your political base.
The Republicans are never short of sex-crime scandals..
Adie @ 55
Irrelevant. They make it up as they go along.
In a country where one part of the government feels that civil rights are an inconvenience and the other side often is to weak to resist there erosion, Human rights become invisible.
Thanks for this, Christy.
argosfalcon @ 53
Is that right? What a hoot.
Couple of thoughts…
Bush will whack schips…He has already said it “costs” the insurance co. too much{sweet flamin jesus ugg}
If they give even the perception that they are cracking down on immigration it will be as effective as concentetion camps and white trains….remember,when un-employment starts to hit BAD…about nov-dec…they will have to have something…
Reason I say it will go to hell soon is no money is being lent…the construction industry,of which I am part will have a lot of their current projects done…and with most new construction on hold….it is going to get ugly fast.
anangryoldbroad @ 46
Angryoldbroad.
Well, I don’t know about you, but I’m not interested in infighting with anyone. As much as Christy and I seem to disagree about things (a long and unnecessary story), I’d probably vote for her if she were to run…..in my state, of course…..And no one is arguing that this country is one of the worst when it comes to insurance. We need national health. But what was Sister Frigidare (’scuse me, Hillary) able to do about it. She was unable, in spite of her talk tough stance, to get into the back rooms and crack heads. Yeah, she was only the first lady, but I’ll bet she had a lot to do with Big Dawgs strategy….with the excption of a certain…er…never mind. We need someone with a “take no prisoner’s” attitude on this side of the asile.
PW at 63 — You are most welcome. I’ve been stewing on this one for a while, I just couldn’t get time to hit it until now. Which is irritating…but there are only so many hours in my day. SIGH
It’s amazing that filthy rich omnivores like Rush Limbaugh are so short-sighted that they just do not realize the costs we pay later if we don’t take care of children’s welfare. Even if you drop the moral argument of a society’s need to take care of its children — which of course Limbaugh is completely impervious to — it’s fiscally short-sighted. But then again, the GOP is the party of drug-addled spend-thrifts, so I guess we shouldn’t be surprised. What they really want to do is make poor people suffer, no matter the cost.
Oh, bloody H… Headline in the Disgrace today:
Many states don’t vaccinate underinsured children
Terrific, hello pertussis, measles, chicken pox…
Jane Hamsher @ 68
;0)
Faux news story http://www.mediabistro.com/tvn......asp?c=rss
Whether it’s providing health care for undocumented workers or american citizens for that matter, welfare, food stamps, medicaid or any gov’t aided programs, the republicans never have an answer for the “what then” question. They don’t ask the question or propose solutions. I don’t think they give a rat’s a$$. They seem to believe all you have to do is abolish all that & the problems just disappear like magic. Poof. It’s a miracle-the undocumented workers, poor, people w/o health insurance simply vanish.
I have this peculiar idea that that’s not what God would be in favor of.
N=1 @ 58
I come from a family of nurses. Amen.
cynic @ 66
I’m not talking about liberals and dems infighting,I’m talking about my neighbors,who before 9/11 let their kids come over to play with my kid. Now they can’t because we aren’t christian republicans. I’m talking about my family being torn to shreds by this crap(my parents have been in Amway and gone to fundie churches and sent money to GOP causes for decades). If neighborhoods and families are strong,you can’t get in there and get people to vote against their own best interests.
Brisingamen @ 69
how do they get into school without vaccinations? parents have to present immunization records to register kids for kindergarten…
Jane Hamsher @ 68
What is missing is for any of these would-be healththieves to have actually been the ones to see the suffering and to be the ones to tell people needing healthcare, “NO SERVICE” The first time I had to discharge a homeless person to the street is when I converted from a child to an adult - real dayam fast. And do you know what the patient told me (she could see my distress) - “Honey, I’ll be all right. Don’t worry.”
Little things like that tend to stay with a body, if you know what I mean….
ironranger @ 72
I think god is the least of their worries
Brisingamen at 69 — Do you have a link for that?
Jane Hamsher @ 68
The super rich don’t plan on paying anything more in the future. They’re living in gated communities,riding around with bodyguards in armoured cars. Crime doesn’t matter to them, and they enjoy the cheap labor that the poor provide. I think it’s deliberate. U.S. going to Latin American style society.
Jane Hamsher @ 68
They have no intention of paying for it later, either. You know the drill. Blame the sick on not taking care of themselves. And, if there is any move toward universal care, as per Hillary, it will be at the most base (not basic) level, and to get real care you will have to pay for a separate insurance as well as a very high out-of-pocket. The point is that government (including a government supported health system) is NOT supposed to work, according to these people. Hence the drill against these plans as Socialism- bad for individual initiative.
The Republicans are today’s robber-barons. Imagine how things will be if the GOP captures the WH again in 2008.
anangryoldbroad @ 74
Angryoldbroad:
Yeah, you got a point. Wish I knew the answer. Maybe when those folks lose their jobs and can’t pay for their own or their kids health insurance, they’ll come around.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 59
I think Rove went as far as he could with the immigration bill to make it appear as pro-immigrant and guest worker friendly as possible, in-order to get the Hispanic vote for the GOP. The same strategy that has had the Cuban vote locked up for generations. The lizard brains bit him in the ass.
Ahh the upper poor asking for such things as a livable wage, shelter, food and adequate health care. Why don’t they know their place is to serve the needs of their betters and just suffer in silence (snark with a touch of outrage).
From the AFL-CIO Dem debate last night: