Mine owner Robert Murray didn’t even wait until the six men in the collapsed Crandall Canyon coal mine had been found before he started deflecting blame for the disaster and denying any role his mine practices played in the collapse (in between yelling at circling news helicopters and insisting there is no emergency).
As six miners remain buried, beneath 1,500 feet of nearly solid rock near Huntington, Utah, Murray went on a rant at a press conference, yelling at circling news helicopters and insisting there was no emergency and attacking by name leaders of the Mine Workers (UMWA) union. But wait—the Crandall Canyon Mine isn’t unionized. And what about rescuing the trapped miners, whose chances for survival are narrowing every hour?
UMWA President Cecil Roberts, whom Murray attacked by name yesterday, said:
It is very unfortunate that at a time when six miners remain trapped underground and rescuers, including members of the UMWA, are risking their lives to find them, Mr. Murray has chosen to take time away from his urgent responsibilities to conduct himself in this manner.
Maybe Murray hoped that by flinging mud, he could avoid scrutiny of a few inconvenient facts. Like the 325 citations his mine has been issued by federal mine inspectors since January 2004, according to federal Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA) online records. Of those, 116 were what the government considered “significant and substantial,” meaning they are likely to cause injury.
Workers’ safety is not something Murray has publicly supported. During an interview with Fox News in May, Murray responded to a comment from presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton who asked a crowd whether they were ready for a president who is “pro-labor and will appoint people who actually care about workers’ rights and workers’ safety.”
The Salt Lake Tribune reports this exchange between Murray and Fox News’ Neil Cavuto:
“Bob, do you view this rhetoric as pro-labor, anti-business, what?” Cavuto asked Murray.
Absolutely not,” Murray responded. “I view it as anti-American. These people should—are misleading the American worker then they talk about jobs. These are the people advocating draconian global warming conditions that are going to drive American jobs to foreign countries and raise electric rates for everybody on fixed incomes.”
Murray is chairman of Murray Energy Co., an owner of the Crandall Canyon Mine, whose PAC has donated to the worst of the worst politicians: Sens. George Allen of Virginia, Sam Brownback of Kansas and former Rep. Katherine Harris of Florida. It also gave to Ohio Republican Reps. Deborah Pryce and Patrick Tiberi, and California Rep. Richard Pombo. The committee did not give to any Democrats during the same period, Federal Election Commission (FEC) records show.
In 2004, Murray gave $15,000 of his own money to the National Republican Senatorial Committee, and he gave $10,000 in 2006. Among other donations in the last election cycle, he gave $2,000 to Ohio Republican Sen. Mike DeWine’s unsuccessful re-election campaign. (CampaignMoney lists the donations here.)
Murray embodies the failed ideology of Bush & Co., one which operates as follows: Reject government solutions to problems like workplace safety and health that private corporations refuse to address. When disaster happens, throw around baseless attacks. And never, ever, take the blame.
Murray is blaming the mine cave-in on an earthquake, a claim scientists at the National Earthquake Information Center say is not supported by the available evidence.
The Sago explosion, which killed 12 coal miners in January 2006, marked the start of the deadliest year in the nation’s coal mines since 1996. Forty-seven coal miners died, an increase of 210 percent over 2005. The rise in deaths sparked Congress—under the Democrats—to pass the first significant improvement in mine safety laws in decades. Congress promises to further strengthen safety—and lawmakers need to do so, fast. Already, 10 miners have been killed this year. Nearly all of the 57 miners killed in the past year and half were in nonunion mines.
It’s no coincidence U.S. mine deaths skyrocketed so horrifically during the Bush administration. Bush’s MSHA allowed its mine inspection force to drop from 634 inspectors in 1997 to 584 in 2005.
Bush response to last year’s mine deaths by nominating Richard Sticker, a former Massey Coal Co. executive, to head MSHA. The injury rates at coal mines managed by Stickler from 1989 to 1996 were double the national average, according to statistics assembled by the Mine Workers before Stickler’s appointment to head the Pennsylvania Bureau of Deep Mine Safety. When the Senate refused to confirm Stickler’s nomination, Bush used a recess appointment to put him in charge of MSHA.
Stickler has promised to enforce safety rules and MSHA now is adding more inspectors, but union safety advocates are taking a wait-and-see attitude on MSHA’s vows to crack down on safety violators.
The Pump Handle, a safety blog, offers some questions reporters can ask Murray, including what type of post-accident communication system was installed as required by federal law?
Workers at union mines generally have much better safety and health protections, and they want to join the UMWA. But coal companies continue to be among the most brutal in rejecting workers’ attempts to form unions. Peabody, the nation’s largest private coal company, systematically closed its union mines and replaced them with nonunion mines over the past 15 years, according to the UMWA. Yet Peabody made $426 million on sales of $3.8 billion between January and September 2006, according to USA Today, compared with the $260 million in sales it earned in 2005. Peabody is vigorously fighting a drive by its nonunion miners who have launched a Justice at Peabody campaign to win a voice at work with UMWA and the strong safety rights a UMWA contract requires.
After Peabody’s systematic de-unionization campaign, only about 30 percent of its operations are unionized. Says nonunion Peabody miner Donna Green:
This job is hard on your body. We’ve got 26 year-olds that are hurting bad. What are they going to be like in another 30 years….They’re going to kick you out and say you can’t earn a paycheck, you’re gone. They can afford to give us a pension. They can afford to give us health care. Their union mines have that. There’s no reason we can’t have what the other coal miners have.
As coal miner John Cox puts it:
It’s not right what Peabody has done.
The same can be said for any coal mine owner that rejects the workplace safety needed to keeping miners safe—and alive.
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EPU’d and OT to this post, but I thought it worth your perusal:
Mad Dogs @ 161
It’s really hard to see what to say here. We’ve fought this same war with miners’ rights to decent and safe working conditions for what, 200 years across different countries?
I hope they get to those guys, soon.
As for this asswipe Murray, I hope he gets the shaft.
One more reason to get BushCo the fuck out of office, they aren’t healthy to be around, or work around.
Good! You wrote about it. I think this is incredibly important and EVEN MORE SO after watching the AFL-CIO Prez Forum last night.
I knew you’d get much more coverage here at firedoglake than at my teeny-tiny blog amongst my blogmates.
On Lou Dobbs now, clip of Murray, insisting it was a seismic event.
Right!
IIRC, and I probaly should not do things from memory:
Didn’t the Sago mine also have a whole pile of outstanding safety violations?
How many tickets do you have to get before they shut you down?
If you can’t trust the greedy corporations who can you trust?
It’s always always always a sleazy republican.
When will America connect the dots?
Heard first recess appt Flunky rejected twice to head mine saftey
Thanks, Tula. Great post.
Tula:
People are dying because there are too many foxes in the henhouse under the Bush Administration.
OT but I had to work and missed the other thread – what does everyone think of this idea?
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/co…..o_stand_up
@ 7
It’s great that you are covering it.
I am so glad to see this post. I have been fixated on this all day.
I just can’t BELIEVE that everyone in this country is not screaming bloody murder at the spectacle of this aasshole shaking his fist at UMW and bellowing that it’s not his fault, while those guys are possibly dying down there. FUCK him, the bloody fucking pig.
There were several seismic events.
I would imagine that the National Earthquake Information spokesman is told what to say if it is anything like the National Weather Services spinners. Perhaps not…but with these guys in control…I don’t trust anything I read anymore. The data is clearly on the quake maps that there has been seismic activity – more than once in the last couple of days.
On MSNBC, Tucker Carlson is showing that he is a racist piece of garbage. His neo-con question of the day is: “Is Obama black enough?” I am thinking the “B” word here, BOYCOTT CARLSON!
Well, to be fair, seismic activity could have Helped. If the mine had a multitude of violations, if it was unsafe in it’s structure, a coupla toddlers jumping up and down might help cause a collapse. But, would they then arrest the toddlers?
It’s not bad enought that the miners are down they’re down underground breathing that stuff, but adding insult to injury with their blatant disregard for workers’ safety is, well, what’s the word?
If someone in the know started publishing where these fuckers live, it would quickly shut this shit up.
Richard Stickler,coal industry exec.twice rejected by congress first recess appointment.Thanks to Harry Reid’s broken promise of keeping senate in session
Jane Hamsher @ 16
Thank you, Jane. This is regional of course – but just the workplace safety issue is alarming and when I started looking Murray, I was absolutely appalled. Talk about hypernarcissitic!
As an aside, I went to college in Pepper Pike, Ohio. Granted it’s not as exclusive as Hunting Valley but it fairly close. The college was built years and years ago by the Ursuline nuns who had the property when it “was in the middle of nowhere.” Mr. Murray is the epitome of those capitalistic pigs my mother warned me about.
Frank33 @ 19
yo Tuckster: Are you dick enough?
“Answering Carlson’s racist question, Jonathon Alter: “The question makes me uncomfortable, and does not contribute to the debate.”
If anyone’s interested in a wonderful film depicting historic mining & labor issues, please put Matewan (John Sayles, writer/director) on your Netflix queue!
It’s so absurd that we as a society are forced to fight the same battles again.
demi @ 20
Is there a way to tell if the seismic activity was from the mine collapse itself? I would think that something that big would register on sensitive equipment,but I am no expert.
And this Murray guy,ack,I won’t say what I’m thinking.
FYI – This will be good:
Markos says:
“This Sunday, I will debate Harold Ford on Meet the Press for 15 minutes on the future of the Democratic Party. For now, it is set for the top of the hour.”
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..34515/5425
BOYCOTT CARLSON!
Does that mean I’d have to start watching him, so that I could then stop?
No!!
(I just love quoting Ted Stevens)
Thanks, Tula, for the well-researched and referenced post. It was this bit from The Pump Handle post today that set my hair on fire:
anangryoldbroad @ 27
The government is claiming the seismic activity was caused by the collapse. There has been subsequent seismic activity.
Tucker Carlson: “Obama is black. Obama is black. Obama is black. Obama is black. Obama is black…”
Nola Sue @ 26
yes, I was thinking of that too. Powerful, horrifying film.
Also, there is a great French film with Gerard Depardieu on the subject; can’t remember the title right now.
And last but not least: http://lyrics2search.com/song137794.html
@ 7
Thanks, Tula, you’ve tied it all together (again). Since it’s pretty clear there was no earthquake, is Murray gonna blame aliens or Hillary’s black heliocopters? What a wonderful representative he is of W’s Ownership Society: Have you been assigned an Owner yet?
(Nice upside down flag waving you’ve got there, LeftMoon.)
Generations of my family mined coal first near the mouth of the Tyne out under the North Sea and later in Southern Illinois. I swore an oath to my self that I would never go underground to earn a living and have honored that promise for over sixty years now. Working underground is dangerous with the best of safety protocols in place and coal has the added ability to explode (the dust and the methane) as well as blacken the miner’s lungs.
It took FDR, the New Deal and WWII to clean up the mess the fat cats made of things the last time. Can we even survive, as a species, the current crop of criminal neo-cons and their insufferable greed?
Mod note: slight edit
Don’t you get it? If we protect miners — or any workers — then that means the terrorists have already won!
You don’t want the terrorists to win, do you? Well? Do you?
The lives of others is a very small price to pay for the well being of someone like Robert Murray. That’s what makes America great!
NPR covered Murray’s highly rambling and defensive presscon yesterday. They aired a passage of him ranting about how it was an earthquake that trapped the miners, then put on a seismologist who stated that the sesmic reading are not of the type associated with earthquakes — but are of the type associated with mining blasts and collapses and rock shifts.
Tula – Outstanding post!
Phoenix Woman @ 37
Somebody @ NPR will get a ass-chew about that…
anangryoldbroad @ 27
Yup. And the Utah expert NPR had on yesterday said that the seismic waves were consistent with those produced by mining operations — be they blasts, collapses, or rock shifts.
looseheadprop @ 9
Sago mine sure did have prior violations. Bush lets former mining exec’s run the regulatory agencies that are supposed to police that industry for safety. talk about fox in a hen house.
http://spewingforth.blogspot.c…..-head.html
It’s nice having friends in high places like this mine owner’s got.
This happened in Utah the reddest of red states. I don’t know for sure, but I imagine being a union member in Utah is equated with being in a terrorist organization.
Nola Sue @ 26
Ohmigawd! I watched that about 3 weeks ago! I’d seen it in documentaries on Netflix. It was terrific!
The first workplace film I remember was about Karen Silkwood – ‘Silkwood’ – and fucking Kerr-McGee.
Great post Tula!
“Murray embodies the failed ideology of Bush & Co., one which operates as follows: Reject government solutions to problems like workplace safety and health that private corporations refuse to address. When disaster happens, throw around baseless attacks. And never, ever, take the blame.”
And with Orrin Hatch (Repug Utah) as his protector, who wants to bet that Murray won’t skate once again. Repugs taking care of their own:
“Don’t worry Bobby, there’s always gonna be plenty of slop in our trough. We ain’t gonna let nobody turn us into bacon. And I sure like that shade of lipstick you’re wearing.”
theExile @ 35
I’ve said this b4, but it seems the proof never stops coming, from all directions: these criminals are marching us BACKWARDS through time. They defy even the laws of physics.
shuttle taking off in about a minute
On the b thread here, here’s an excellent Earl Ofari Hutchson post and it has nothing to do with skin color or his creepy-preachy verbal style.
Murray is so full of shit!
“The first motions of the Utah disturbance indicated a downward movement consistent with a collapse, scientists said. If it was a natural quake, it would have produced up and down motions on the seismograms. The quake occurred anywhere from 2,000 to 8,500 feet underground.”
OT/ A F2 tornado hit Brooklyn, subways flooded. England and Wales worst flooding since 1700’s. Damn, the abc news just said ‘global warming.’ It’s all Al Gore’s fault
Frank33 @ 19
Write to them here:
viewerservices@msnbc.com,
feedback@msnbc.com,
dabrams@msnbc.com,
letters@msnbc.com,
Mine:
Were there any mining cave-ins under Clinton? I don’t remember any.
This is the second one under Bushco. Bushco lets mining companies pay to play (play with workers’ lives).
Republican’s are firm believers in free markets (assisted by corporate welfare) and self regulation.
I just put on my tinfoil hat, and I may get out my tinfoil body armor, too: I regularly get blog hits from the Pentagon and the Army (occ the Navy and AF), but today, I got hit after hit from the Pentagon, followed by the Office of the SecDef, and then immediately after, by Sandia National Laboratories, which searched the archives about the tag, “nursing”, and which I didn’t recognize, so looked them up. Am I about to be disappeared? (only half laughing)
Here’s the NPR broadcast with synopsis:
Arabasz goes on to say that later, weaker sesmic events are likely just rocks shifting around the collapse site.
TeddySanFran @ 49
Tucker did something similar recently when Romney went after Obama in SC, saying he wanted to promote sex education among kindergarteners. And Tucker said, “talk about playing into racial stereotypes.” My head nearly snapped around. It was like, “I’m not even sure what you mean by that, but the only thing I can think of is really, really ugly.”
He’s such a sniping little weasel. Low point of my day is when I have to choose between him and Lou Dobbs.
Right on, good separation for Endeavor!!!
Thanks Tula! As a Kentucky native, I have followed this all my life.
But it also gives me an opportunity since we are speaking of Mr Peabody’s Coal Company (John Prine’s Paradise)
PW @ 52
I’m thinking that a collapse large enough to register more than 3 on the Richter scale isn’t going to leave much of that part of that mine left. That’s a lot of rock shifting.
Here, we watch Judge Marilyn during that hour.
Jane Hamsher @ 53
Replays of M*A*S*H are also on at the same time and are a good alternative to Tuckery or dobbs either one.
Blaming a mine collapse on a 4.0 earthquake is like blaming a construction crane collapse on 60 MPH winds. The real problem in both of these scenarios is that structures ought to be more stable than a castle made of cards.
From reading between the lines, my guess would be that they are using undocumented workers and using high risk mining practices. Worker safety, lethal drugs, poisoned food supply..corporate murder needs to be prosecuted as a capital crime.
CTuttle @ 55
This is a beautiful launch, eh? Nasa TV on my desktop really turns my crank. It’s stunning.
dakine01 @ 56
I was at Ft. Campbell, and later at Ft. Knox.I worked for a time in the hospital in Mayfield, and in traveling we were appalled at the strip mining and what was done to the land.
unions save lives
jim oconnor @ 41
I’ll have to check with my wife’s relatives about the current state of things. I know there were family members involved in union organizing of miners decades ago (and got death threats for their trouble) but I don’t know about how things are now. It wouldn’t surprise me if the “red” there is social conservative but not necessarily anti-union, but I don’t have any specific knowledge.
@ 63
And mountaintop removal – another travesty….
The Space Shuttle program is a huge waste of money and should be ended immediately. Plans are in the works to replace it with a system not unlike the Apollo missions used (read rocket and capsule with parachute).
We can’t feed the working poor, pay them a fair wage, give them health care and birth control but we can spend billions on this crap (and wars).
Steve-AR @ 60
I haven’t seen this guy, but all the comments suggest how weird he’s acting. Is it possible there are more than six miners missing?
fdl reader @ 62
Always gets my heart pumping!
@ 62
I remember one time as a kid, we took a weekend trip to the other end of the state and my mother pointed out “The World’s Largest Shovel” as we passed it.
Listening to Thom Hartmann yesterday… he was saying that in Canada the mines are unionized. They ensure that each mine has a safe place with oxygen and food, in the event of a collapse. The miners have enough resources to endure until they are rescued. What is so FRICKIN difficult about that, Mr. It Was An Earthquake That Did It Murray?
N=1 @ 66
Yeah and clear cutting as well, saw that in Washington state. The Scott company was responsible for the areas we saw in WA.
Thanks TSF for the link. I just sent this note:
Hello MSNBC,
I’m offended by Mr. Carlson’s question about Obama being Black enough.
I was watching his show, but then turned it off. I can’t support a show, in particular, and a network, in general which allows this man’s ignorant attitude to be aired as News.
Mr. Carlson should know better than to focus on race, gender or anything other than a candidate’s experience and potental to lead our country.
Shame on you.
Thank you for taking the time to read my concern.
Deborah
N=1 @ 65
The incumbent corrupt R governor of Kentucky has been trying to call a special session of the legislature to give Mr Peabody a bunch of tax give-aways. The Dem controlled House met and immediately adjourned as they saw no need to waste tax-payer dollars to boost the gov’s re-election. The R controlled Senate passed all the bills like the sheep they are.
hackworth @ 66
Agree. The American people get today a much better return on investment from un-manned space exploration missions (pardon the gender reference).
hackworth @ 67
Soooo…I guess now isn’t the time to bring up that Barbara Morgan is an Idaho teacher?
Returning to my tinfoil hattery about Sandia Nat’l Labs: Look at today’s press release:
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. —The fields of cognition and neuroscience are poised for the same major unifying breakthroughs experienced by the physics and biology communities of the last century and a half, says John Wagner, manager of Sandia’s National Laboratories Cognitive and Exploratory Systems Department.
“In physics complex disparate observations were reconciled based on simple unifying fundamental principles. Examples include electricity and magnetism, thermodynamics and statistical mechanics, and Newtonian dynamics and relativity,” he says. “Similarly, the biological revolution started when the extreme complexity and variability of the biological world was unified based on the replication and application of simple rules embodied in the geometry of DNA.”
Today there is some understanding of the brain (neuroscience) and mind (cognitive psychology and behavior) at various levels, but there is no unifying basic understanding of them or the fundamental principles of structure and function that apply to them.
“Seeking this fundamental understanding from first principles, not just empirical observations, helps set the scientific direction for Sandia’s CS&T [cognitive Science and Technology] program,” Wagner says.
Sandia is a multiprogram laboratory operated by Sandia Corporation, a Lockheed Martin company, for the U.S. Department of Energy’s National Nuclear Security Administration. With main facilities in Albuquerque, N.M., and Livermore, Calif., Sandia has major R&D responsibilities in national security, energy and environmental technologies, and economic competitiveness.
Sandia news media contact: Chris Burroughs, coburro@sandia.gov, (505) 844-0948
Isn’t that real handy for torturing people? Not sure if anyone follows neuroscience or neuro-ethics, but it looks at the core of free-will, the “G*d” particle, and the physiological basis of cognition, emotion and human behavior….
Steve-AR @ 61
somethin’ is going to come out specifically about Mr. Murray’s operation that will need to be deeply buried… I almost get the feeling that he doesn’t want those workers found…
tjb @ 22
Stickler received his recess appointment on October 19, 2006.
http://www.msha.gov/asinfo.htm
N=1 – I think Sandia also makes photovoltaic cells for solar power – perhaps we just have an interested reader.
Anyone know Olbermann’s address. I want to nominate that ChickenHawk, racist Tucker Carlson, as Worst Person of the Day.
bookwoman @ 70
Exactly. I mean, so what if it was an earthquake? (which it wasn’t but still….) Wouldn’t the air, water, and safety equipment provided to the miners still work in case of an earthquake?
TuKKKer Carlson.
Another thing, in a story from one of the Utah papers, it said that some family members didn’t speak English, and that three of the miners were “Mexican citizens.” Now I don’t care about the legality or illegality of their work status here. I just found it interesting that Murray has consistently mentioned the race of his miners. I don’t know what the hell it means.
OldCoastie @ 78
BINGO! See my last comment.
OldCoastie @ 77
Murray is a Motherf**er. His contributions to his favorite party attests to that.
@ 76
I like the idea of manned flight but I agree that the space shuttle is a boondoggle and that most of the good science has come from unmanned exploration. NASA has become a bureaucratic shell of what it was. Still it’s important to go out there because that is where our future is.
cancer_cures @ 60
I saw that big crane fall down right next to me on the freeway during a recent (Feb) trip to LA.
No wind, no warning. Just an omen.
Oh yeah, the market crashed on my way out.
Omen confirmed.
Mine info on CNN right now.
Steve-AR @61
Are you a physician? Just curious. I’m a tax lawyer.
Frank33 @ 80
kolbermann@msnbc.com
But Keith is not known to single out NBC or MSNBC folx for WPITW, fwiw.
Murray should be careful talking about who Mitch McConnell is sleeping with.
@ 83
He may actually believe that others will feel that the miners’ lives don’t matter if they are Mexicans. He’s a white Republican after all. Try not to give him too much credit as a human being.
new thread upstairs.
N=1:watch out for any too good to turn down job offers….
hackworth @ 66
The reason we’re not feeding the poor, paying a living wage, or providing healthcare isn’t because we have a manned space program. I’ve got no problem with disagreements on whether we ought to be doing it or not, but I’m not interested in insinuations that it’s a bad thing because there are higher priorities our government doesn’t have the political courage to deal with.
My email to Dan Abrams:
Murray seems to spend a lot of time speaking about people’s ethnic heritage…
LTV worker at the debates last night on Hardball.
OldCoastie @ 80
I don’t blog about renewable energy much, and the hit was for my nursing archives (I’m referring to visitors on my own blog, not FDL – sorry for the confusion).
For those who want to know a bit more on the seismic conditions in UT. Heres a little something from the USGS: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/reg…..nr_faults/
Now the data is a bit difficult to understand geologists love their jargon as much as lawyers, but I think you can see if this was an earthquake where are the aftershocks? A 4.0 does not just stop shaking, but its the bush USGS now so where is the data it should be visible. I’ll keep looking.
hackworth @ 93
I have also heard that he had pretty much told them and their families straight out not to talk to the media. So repeating it may be another implied threat.
N=1 @ 100
I don’t blog about anything – just saying, maybe it’s someone – an individual – who is interested in your writing… and yes, that same person seems to visit here.
ruffian @ 95
LOL – that would surely stand out since there haven’t been any….
OldCoastie @ 98
Perhaps he thinks the media attending to his mine errors will simply say, “Oh, Meskans? Never mind, we’re packing up and leaving. Sorry to bother you, Owner Sir.”
Method Reportedly Used At Utah Mine Has Deadly History”
Federal studies show the method of mining used at the Utah mine that collapsed on Monday has a history of being disproportionately deadly.
The collapse of the Crandall Canyon Mine occurred while miners were using a method called “retreat mining.”
In retreat mining, pillars of coal are used to hold up an area of the mine’s roof.
When that area is completely mined, the company pulls the pillar and grabs the useful coal, causing an intentional collapse.
A 2003 study by the National Institutes of Occupational Safety and Health shows that retreat mining is one of the biggest causes of mine roof collapse deaths.
http://www.wkrn.com/nashville/news/me…..111397.htm
I sure Murray’s attitude is “why not use retreat mining, they are only Mexicans”
Corporate murder needs to be prosecuted as a capital crime.
TeddySanFran @ 105
that would my guess… he’s a very strange man – his perspective on the world is quite skewed…
edit: Murray looks extra panicky to me… he’s worrying about something other than those workers lives.
Loo Hoo. @ 99
The same guy who asked the health question? Christ, I started crying when he was talking. When I was in Ohio a few years back, my boss’s husband worked at LTV in Cleveland, had for 27 years, and then one day, that was it!
n=1 at 52 says=”I just put on my tinfoil hat, and I may get out my tinfoil body armor, too: I regularly get blog hits from the Pentagon and the Army (occ the Navy and AF), but today, I got hit after hit from the Pentagon, followed by the Office of the SecDef, and then immediately after, by Sandia National Laboratories, which searched the archives about the tag, “nursing”, and which I didn’t recognize, so looked them up. Am I about to be disappeared? (only half laughing)”
not everyone there is a ‘baddie’…there are policy and research people who are career people that do care about what they are doing…….if they’re doing research, why not come to you for it? word gets around if something is reliable……i was going to say that to you the last time you posted that, but was in a hurry that day.
dmac @ 109
Thanks – important point, and I do realize that. But there’s no way of telling, and I sure don’t write anything on that complex or high a level where I could begin to imagine that someone doing research would find it of value. And I’ve been slammed with a lot of wing nut spammers, so I’m probably reacting to that, as well. I guess I should iron my shiny hat and store it for future use. *g*
Redshift @ 96
You got it. I’d much rather be watching Congress vote to end the war this minute. But I don’t have the power to make that happen or *even* to change the course of the American Space Program which is (to me) as much a part of our collective history and culture as the Constitution. And I’m not saying the Space Program is *more* important than the Constitution … hardly.
We should be able to do it all … or as much as we deem important to do. INCLUDING keeping miners safe. I followed the Sago aftermath and from what I’ve read today NONE of what was said would be done has been done, even in VA.
Oh, and I’d trade the whole current Space Program to fix NOLA but I don’t have that power either.
Thanks for your wonderful work, Tula.
I think that someone’s earlier comment “Unions Save Lives” is a great slogan. And it’s a fact.
N=1 @ 100
N=1: how do you know it isn’t someone surfing at work who’s got a personal interest in nursing or health policy or is considering changing careers or has a family issue that’s driving their own investigations?
Steve-AR @ 61
I can’t recall where I read this info, but of the miners involved only one’s name is verified, and there are reports that 2 or 3 others are Mexican nationals. It’s possible this company is using undocumented workers in mines that have repeatedly received citations for saftey violations. Has anyone else come across this story?
TeddySanFran @ 34
The thing I notice that most others on this blog wouldn’t is that it happened in Huntington, Utah and there was a mention of Collis P. Huntington here on fdl just a day or two ago.
I responded with a bit of background on him and mentioned that he was the kind of guy who would respect the use of violence. Now this in Utah. It makes me wonder what really happened there.
FYI,
Harris was never a Florida Senator, she got punked in 2006….thank the good Lord.
So many Republicans having so much blood of American citizens dripping from their Fagin-like fingertips.