Sadly, it’s anti-climactic. The defense rested its case yesterday. The case against the three conspirators is basically at an end, save for rebuttal witnesses and closing arguments. The government has alleged and theorized about its vague and shadowy conspiracy charges involving terrorists somewhere on the planet and the defense has insisted proof being proven and contending no such documentation exists. None.
Truth be told, it all seems so weary now if it weren’t for the fact that the freedoms guaranteed by the Bill of Rights and some of the most critical Supreme Court decisions protecting those freedoms, hadn’t been grossly violated by this corrupt Bush-Gonzales regime. Can you find any non-ideologue in this nation who doesn’t believe the Attorney General is a liar, a perjurer?
As the trial comes to a close, it’s important to single out reporters from the often (and often deservedly) maligned Main Stream Media (MSM) who have been covering the Padilla trial from the very beginning and who, to their credit and to the credit of the profession of journalism, have not wearied in pointing out the gas in the government’s case.
I want to name names and then provide one sample of those who almost daily churn out responsible, fair stories about the trial.
Here’s my list and not in any particular order:
- Carol J. Williams – Los Angles Times Staff Writer.
- Laura Parker – USA Today
- Curt Anderson – Associated Press Writer
- Vanessa Blum – South Florida Sun-Sentinel
- Warren Richey -Staff writer for the Christian Science Monitor
There have been others who’ve dipped in and out of the story, not as regularly as the above but they too deserve mention:
- Deborah Sontag – The New York Times
- Carrie Weimar – Saint Petersburg Times
What separates the above mentioned from others in the MSM has been there absolute and total dedication to the truth of the trial. These men and women when writing about Padilla and the trial, never failed to mention that there had been “dirty bomb” charges – which the government dropped, and other charges, which the government dropped, and/or that Padilla was folded into this “conspiracy” case, late, after it had been filed against two other men.
I went to the trial in person, mainly to see Padilla, and his lawyer who’d been with him five long years, Federal Public Defender Andrew Patel. I also wanted to get a feel for the reporters covering the trial because I knew I had to rely on them for my information, putting it into a context almost never permitted in the MSM.
So, as things draw to a close, I want to parse one story, by Jay Weaver of the Miami Herald because it is an example of how, given the right conditions and the right reporter, it is still possible to get a fix on the truth of a story. Weaver’s story, focusing on a witness called by the defense team, was published last Friday, August 3rd. (I will keep my notations to a minimum)
With the end of the trial near, a defense team in the Jose Padilla terror case put on its strongest witness Thursday, when he testified that a suspected front for terrorists was actually a legitimate Islamic relief group.
Erol Bulur testified that he used his New Jersey warehouse to store tens of thousands of pounds of used clothes, canned foods and medicine donated by American Worldwide Relief, an organization run by a defendant in the Padilla trial.
Bulur said in Miami federal court that the relief group’s efforts accounted for as much as twothirds of all the supplies that he shipped from his warehouse through Turkey to Chechnya’s embattled Muslims in 1995 and 1996.
”A lot more than two or three boxes were sent by American Worldwide Relief,” said the Turkishborn Bulur, rebutting a prosecutor’s attempt to downplay the group’s significant humanitarian role in the Chechen conflict. Indeed, jurors were shown video of Bulur’s warehouse and 40foot cargo containers.
His testimony was powerful because it called into question a central theme in the U.S. government’s case: that defendant Kifah Wael Jayyousi, a leader of American Worldwide Relief, used the group as a front to provide money, equipment and other supplies to Islamic terrorists overseas.
(Weaver has, rightfully with his experience with the entire trial, offered his evaluation of the strength of Erol Bulur’s words, rather that the inadequate and so misleading “he said.” Weaver continues with a recitation of why this testimony is taking place in this courtroom.)
He [Jayyousi] is accused of conspiring with former Sunrise computer programmer Adham Amin Hassoun and Padilla, also formerly of Broward County, to support terrorists such as al Qaeda between 1993 and 2001.
The highprofile trial, which began in early May, is expected to wrap up with closing arguments and jury deliberations in midAugust. If convicted, each of the defendants faces up to life in prison.
Prosecutors claim Jayyousi collaborated with Hassoun, a onetime vocal member of a Fort Lauderdale mosque, who in turn recruited Padilla and others to join ”violent jihad” abroad.
They accused the trio of conspiring to murder, kidnap and maim people in Chechnya and other theaters where ethnic Muslims were under siege.
(Since Padilla’s name was the most prominent of the three, Weaver brings him into the story. Weaver neither shys away from the truth of Padilla’s violent youth nor his jail-house conversation.)
Padilla himself traveled in 1998 to Egypt, where the former gang member turned Muslim studied the Koran and Islamic culture.
(Now comes the most critical and most responsible part of Weaver’s story.)
At trial, prosecutors produced what they claim was Padilla’s Mujahedin application form, which he allegedly filled out before training with al Qaeda in Afghanistan in fall 2000.
(This, you may recall, is the only “hard” evidence of Padilla’s alleged intentions in the entire trial. Weaver puts it in context stressing how weak the case is.)
But the government’s case built largely on FBI wiretaps of phone conversations offered scant evidence of any of the defendants’ direct involvement in any jihad theaters. [Emphasis added]
During trial, prosecutors introduced evidence showing Jayyousi raised almost $50,000 to buy satellite phones for Chechen rebels fighting Russian soldiers. His defense lawyers, William Swor and Marshall Dore Louis, argue that the phones were used for coordinating relief efforts in Chechnya.
Padilla has shrunk to insignificance during this four month trial, Jayyousi became a relief worker for the Chechen rebels – the same ones the United States supported with cash and military arms.
Of course, the 12 jurors who will decided the fate of Padilla, Jayyousi and Hassoun do not have access to Weaver’s fine analysis of the evidence or lack thereof, but such reporting will at least help the public make sense of the verdict when it is delivered.
That is Main Stream Media at its best.
(With Christopher Austin)
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hi lew
Suggestion: you might want to edit the second sentence to say something like “The Padilla defense rested . . .” because currently, you have to read pretty far to figure out what case you’re talking about.
Great analysis Lew.
jayt at 1
Hi back
Quicksand at 2
Thanks for the suggestion
Another minor correction is the T at the end of this sentence: What separates the above mentioned from others in the MSM has been there absolute and total dedication to the truth of the trialt.
TexBetty at 5
I saw it and hope it can be corrected. Thanks
Thanks for this post.
It’s refreshing to read something,anything with a positive spin.
The Anti-Libby.
Padilla will be found innocent, and Bush will throw him back into Gitmo.
A pawn to make precedent and an example of. Shudder.
albert fall @ 8
Yup. For jaywalking while eating zucchini.
Was Padilla convicted of a felony(s) in his youth?
I thought you said he had been, Lew. If so, how could he travel to Egypt in 1998?
Has the defense laid a foundation for effective argument on the Chechen effort being the same effort the United States officially and unofficially supported; or alternatively, was there a sufficient foundation already present from the government’s case in chief?
albert fall at 8
Yes, I think Padilla will spend the next year and a half in custody — until the next administration. There are those torture tapes — what –87? –> Padilla has them and I don’t see what he couldn’t release them to the public — or hell, sell them to 60 Minutes. That would make for some interesting viewing.
Nice post. It is too bad the BushCo government cannot find real terrorists to prosecute. It is disturbing to think that they would knowing try to place a person away in prison for life with such flimsy “evidence.”
(OT, you may want to change in the first two sentences “its” to “it is” and “it’s case” to “its case”)
Loo Hoo at 12
Padilla was convicted of murder but he was 15 at the time. Further — I don’t remember the exact charges — but he was in the Broward County slammer for firing off a pistol at a driver who had “offended” him. I know absolute zero about who can and cannot get a passport.
Lew, great reporting on this trial as always.
Now that it is over, do you have any read on the outcome? It sounds like an acquittal.
Will there be a huge media presence at the verdict? Will there be any mea culpas from the media which convicted him in the press if they are acquitted?
This could get interesting if he is acquitted… no?
Right On, Lew! I just got back from an errand!!!
pdaly @ 14
Yes. I find “they” disturbing.
wow,
thanks Lew,
especially for the list of the reporters that actually reported.
Thanks for this, Lew. This is a perspective we are only getting right here, from you.
Lew Koch @ 15
I find that disturbing.
“Sadly,
itsit’s anti-climactic. The defense restedit’sits case yesterday.”bmaz at 12
As far as I know (and I have not studied it at all) U.S. support for Chechen rebels was an “off the books” operation by the CIA. Everybody “knew” about it as long as the assistance did not come with an American military uniform.
At trial, prosecutors produced what they claim was Padilla’s Mujahedin application form, which he allegedly filled out before training with al Qaeda in Afghanistan in fall 2000.
Was there ever any evidence that Padilla *had* in fact trained with Al Qaeda, apart from the disputed application?
I just cannot see how, as a matter of law, filling out an application can be considered to be a substantial step in furtherance of a criminal conspiracy.
LS, are you disturbed? *G*
I’m amazed that NYT & WaPo are paying so little attention. No wonder I didn’tknow anything about this trial until I read your posts. This is a very impt trial for to judge how this admin is (or isn’t)handling terrorism prosecutions.
What a waste of the taxpayer’s money. DO these prosecutors believe in their case or are they bots without a mind?
Lew Koch, please know that these spelling and grammar suggestions are only to make things look more professional if anyone quotes your work later. They are not meant to be picky or personal.
SanderO at 16
CTuttle at 17
Thanks..and now I need to take a time out. All those typos and stuff — I have an excuse. Last night, the sewer and water pipes BOTH broke. I was flooding the street. The Evanston water dept worked 10 hours today to fix it and plumbers will be back for the next two days..I’m sure you all can understand then why those errors happened…six hours after I sent the column in!
LS @ 9
which makes us no different than any other tinpot… never mind.
Out of curiousity, what does Padilla himself say about the application form? Is he denying knowledge of it? not being allowed by his lawyers to answer questions about it?
Too many red pencils here.
Loo Hoo. @ 31
Clapping
Great post once again Lew. What bothers me most is the 300,000 phone calls, that is such a ridiculous
number. I doubt that they pulled that number out of their as***s so there must be a reasonable explanation. Have you heard any?
Lew Koch @ 29
Whoever said that bloggers don’t have editors! They have a whole crew of them.
jayt at 24
No evidence of his training has ever been presented aside from rumor.
TexBetsy at 28
You are correct in pointing out each and every mishap, and I thank you and all the others. I mean that seriously. Thanks.
I don’t think Padilla has spoken at all.
Maybe they cut out his tongue so he wouldn’t lie about his innocence.
pdaly @ 14
which in and of itself is highly disturbing, since everybody knows they’re out there, especially since shrub effectively claims jurisdiction over the whole bloody planet, on this matter.
…just another indication of how thoroughly this regime has failed, in all ways, in all things.
SanderO @ 36
I think they tortured him to the point of insanity.
Lew Koch @ 29
The guv’nent seeking revenge!!!
Thanks so much for listing reporters who actually do their jobs. It’s refreshing to learn that not ALL of them have fallen victim to the cocktail wienie and Kool-Aid circuit.
Loo Hoo. @ 25
I’m suffering general disturbancy…I knew you could tell :?…!
SanderO @ 36
is he even assisting or capable of assisting in his own defense?
“The days dwindle down, to a precious few” Ah, the September song…one of my very favorites :)
TexBetsy @ 38
just stop and think about that.
and he’s not the only one.
Blub at 30
There is evidence of his involvement. He “confessed.” That was asserted by a Justice Department officials. It’s also on those videotapes we’re not allowed to see because the admissions were obtained under torture with Padilla being denied an attorney. I think you call that adding insult to injury.
We need to fly full force in the face of the torture policy.
Can I be arrested for saying George W. Bush is a terrorist? The President is a terrorist.
Ford Prefect at 33
Yeah, the G expects us to believe 300,000 calls. And they expect us to believe they’re not listening to our calls or black entry into out homes and…and…and
Lew Koch @ 45
True! I swear he confessed but I can’t show you his confession because we lost’em, err… tortured him for it!!!
Us Navy Lawyer Charles Swift’s POV:
Pbs Now
Lew Koch @ 45
yeah, but therein lies the crux of it. If we’re dealing with people who’re willing to torture to get their victims to say what they want them to(and we all know how reliable any information attained under torture is), and if the interrogation tapes are super duper secrets, then how can we be sure that they exist at all? Or that he really confessed, even under torture? I mean, people who torture cannot be said to be credible anyway. For all we know, they said “Are you or have you ever been a member of AQ?” *wrip* *thud* *blam* Padilla replied “ummmm….” and they wrote that down as a “yes”
If this is what passes for shrubco investigatory procedure (A) all of us are terrorsts and (B) no real terrorist will ever be caught.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 47
No. I believe under current government rules, Bush now has to be investigated for being a terrorist. A citizen has made a claim. All claims must be investigated. We can never be too cautious. Tap his phones and bug his offices. Ditto all his contacts and cabinet members. If Bush is later cleared no harm no foul. But we are going to need these tapes anyway to stand in for the official (and missing?) presidential records.
Blub at 42
Padilla’s lawyers contended he had been tortured to the point of not being able to assist his lawyers. They was psychiatric evidence to support that. Judge Cooke said she had observed Padilla and thought he was fully capable of helping in his defense, What I had been unaware of until that ruling was that Judge Cooke must have also done psychiatric training for several years to have come to that conclusion so rapidly. Look — there was no way Judge Cooke was going to pass on this case. No way, no how, even if Padilla was drooling at the defense table.
Lew, thanks for the update.
And, on the red pencil/ blue pencil issue, for you and all, Jane and Christy have always said that they appreciated typo corrections. And, so you and we are following that tradition.
Do you have any idea when the verdict will be reached?
And, if you sign off at FDL after that, we will surely miss you. I hope that will not be the case. What will be your next project/ investigation?
Lew Koch @ 45
No, I call it bullshit. If the tapes were excluded by reason of containing evidence obtained via use of torture, then so is testimony referring to that same evidence.
Jesus, this case looks like the one where the Court of Appeals (where the hell was that?) not only reversed a conviction, but ordered the trial court to enter a judgment of not guilty without even re-trying it. I wonder what the record is for the number of reversible errors found within a single trial?
Blub at 51
Friday I deal with the torture and unconstitutionality in the Padilla case in a historical perspective. Don’t worry…I’ve got the very best historian in the United States on that subject.
broadsword @ 43
Now you’re making me think of Linda Ronstadt.
Lew Koch @ 53
..it’s so nice to live in a country with a politically independent judiciary….
Most Americans don’t have a clue as to who Padilla is. Or what the latest FISA fiasco was about. Sad situation.
lew-
shouldn’t jay weaver be included in your master list of reporters who reported well on the padilla case? i scrolled back and forth, because i thought, huh?, weaver wasn’t on the list, was he? no, then why is he sayin’ he’s doing it now, if he wasn’t on the list?
seems like he should be on the main list of reporters……..unless i read it wrong, that weaver didn’t do the reporting all along like the others……..
Thanks Lewis Z. Koch, I really appreciate your Padilla posts. You’re a fine writer and an able reporter. I hope against hope that the jury will do the right thing and free these 3 men.
All the best.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 47
Sure hope not, OKKiddo. Where would we be?
Waaaaaaaaaaaaa….I don’t like this. When I go out to the stores to society…everything seems normal. Why do I feel alarmed?
Please forgive me, Lew, for mentioning one more little thing…
Can you find any non-ideologue in this nation who doesn’t believe the Attorney General isn’t a liar, a perjurer?
In this sentence, there is one negative too many. I think what you mean to say is “can you find any non-ideologue who doesn’t believe the Attorney General IS a liar, a perjurer?”
In other words, it’s hard to find anybody who doesn’t think the bastard is lying through his teeth…right?
Please forgive me — you have every reason in the world to get at least a couple dozen MORE little glitches in your essay given all you’ve been through with your disastrous plumbing situation. Good luck to you with it! These things are always so very distressing, on top of being messy.
And please accept my sincere thanks for your work on this trial. You bring to this case a terrific set of analytical skills — and the kind of deeply humane sensibility this topic so desperately needs. Thank you so much for what, at times, must have been profoundly depressing to work on.
Bless you!
This is such an embarrassment that the people of the United States brought this case.
I would love to read the back story about how this entire charade was managed.
These guys are shameless… like the interrogators in the Black Sites written about in the New Yorker piece.
How can these people sleep at night? What world do they live in?
Valley Girl at 65
I’ve loved it here and this is the coolest audience I’ve ever had. I did get to meet Jane in Chicago and had the greatest time every with Christy Harden Smith. (Damn, there were some very interesting things we had in common.)
Let’s see how it all falls out but I appreciate the vote.
Loo Hoo. @ 62
…well they did pull that 13 year old out of school, and gave her the third degree withtout bothering to notify her parents, in Sacramento for saying mean things about shrub on her myspace page…
LS @ 63
Waaaaaaaaaaaaa….I don’t like this. When I go out to the stores to society…everything seems normal. Why do I feel alarmed?
Suddenly The Matrix doesn’t seem so fictional any more, huh?
SanderO @ 65
They live in “The Homeland”.
dmac at 60
I think if you check back, the story I quoted in its entirety was Jay Weaver’s.
jayt @ 68
Suddenly The Matrix doesn’t seem so fictional any more, huh?
;>
This judge needs to be removed from the bench permanently for allowing this case at all.
How is this done, do we place her on the long impeachment list?
Does this add to the mounting understand of how the nazis rose to power and committed such atrocities and the Germans did little to resist and so many jumped on board.
Look at Amerika now. History is repeating itself.
Substitute the moslems for the jews and keep and eye on all those detention centers that have been built.
Lew, I think you should consider writing a book on the case. My salute for outstanding work.
If not this judge there are probably tens of others who would have done the show trial.
I’m trying…really hard…I can’t get my head into the sand…I’m pushing…I’m squirming..I’m ramming…it is just not happening…I wish I could. This is painful.
Mrs. K8 at 64
Sometimes when I am writing about Alberto Gonzales there aren’t enough damn negatives. ‘caint get too much of a good thing. I mean…he sat there, in public, giving that kind of performance and we wonder how we got into Iraq?
Eureka Springs @ 72
just make it easier for ourselves, every single shrub appointee to anything goes. That way we don’t have to worry about proving anything against anyone or getting accused of staging a witchhunt. Everybody’s treated the same.
LS @ 63
Yes, you’ve hit it, exactly. It’s downright spooky the way things can seem so “normal” (in that psychotically American way of “normalcy”) while everything unravels.
Still, I do sense a kind of cloud hanging over people.
The day this administration is out of the White House I predict there will be dancing in the streets.
(Actually, that’s a safe prediction, since I know that I will be dancing in the streets for sure…)
LS at 71
Surely you don’t believe your unencrypted email is free from prying, ‘lying eyes. Welcome to the Matrix. (And that by the way, is my screensaver — all those green symbols training down and down and down…
If this guy Padilla gets acquitted, wonder what kind of a life he will have.
smapdi at 50-
that show, now, on pbs, last friday was something……..everyone should watch it………was about a govt lawyer who took on defending gitmo detainees……….link at 50 to the show…….wish everyone here would have seen it………talk about an uphill battle………
Blub @ 78
Agreed but Dems will be called out for propping up the robe industry, we can’t have that, no no.
LS @ 71
I know what you mean, LS. Just seems like there is no immediacy in anything. I’m freaked!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 81
there’s a charitable hospital somewhere.. maybe in Sweden, that provides assistance to torture victims
RonD at 74
No sense in being coy. Yes, I have started in on a book. In fact, perhaps people here can help. Anyone go to law school with John Yoo?
I found these to be the funniest comments I came across today:
“We have no control of the government in this country anymore: our votes don’t count, our opinions don’t count, and our outrage is suppressed by the same media that enabled the rise of herr Bush in the first place.
The time is nigh for revolution, people.
Posted by: malcontent
Date: August 7, 2007 2:40 PM
ixnay of the alking tay of evolu tion ray
best they dont know bout it eh?”
Lew Koch @ 80
Moi? Are you kidding?
Lew Koch @ 86
Where did he go to law school?
has padilla been offered a plea?
Lew, forgive me if this is about the wrong case, but did the defense originally say that they would call no witnesses?
Would anyone admit to knowing John Yoo on FDL? A prayer’s chance in hell Lew.
Lew Koch @ 86
Sign me up, Lew! Not for having gone to school with Yoo, but for getting the book.
Oklahoma kiddo at 81
That is a GREAT question. What will Padilla’s life be like? Sadly, there is a model: Ernesto Miranda — you know, the right to an attorney, if you do not have an attorney…
A tragic ending.
Lew Koch @ 86
Ooooh. That sounds like a book I will want to read. I have huge Qs about Yoo.
Valley Girl @ 89
Yale ‘92. Then clerked for Clarence Thomas, of all people
Lew Koch @ 86
Oh boy oh boy! This is a guy I really really want to see taken off his smug criminal perch.
And placed in a dock at the Hague.
You go, Lew, go!
Although if I went to law school with that cold evil bastard I certainly wouldn’t want to admit it, for fear of my degree being tainted by association. If you’re having difficulty finding people, my guess is that would be why.
Sorry I can’t help. I’d surely love to be able to do any little thing to help.
okay, googled.
Yale Law School in 1992.
wiki
Mrs. K8 @ 64
Vernacular english is horrid that way. I’m sure less than 1% of the population would even hear the difference, and less than 10% of those would understand it. You can’t give a “yes” or “no” answer. You have to say “Only an ideologue would think Gonzo is truthful”. Studying German is helpful in this, since they don’t allow this shit. Das ist streng verbotten.
eCAHNomics @ 95
You go for it Lew!!
Lew Koch @ 29
Evanston! Good ole Evanston. Rumor has it a Ghost was once moving around those parts. Hmmm…some main road running by N’western U….Sherman? Shiloh?…hell, I forget.
But there used to be a platform a few blocks from there….rickety old metal stairs. The L takes you southbound to Chi-town…but wait!!!! Just as it gets into Chi-town….WHOOSH! The ole L becomes a subway. They didn’t warn this Texas Boy of same…startled me for a sec! That’s as I recall….or perhaps I dreamt it all.
Ghostman
Wait did Padilla actually work for this Chechen relief (& I read Turks have been accused by the Russians of providing relief across border, mainly medical). If not why did the attorney or judges actually allow this relif organization to come up. Is the trial about Jayyousi or Padilla?
Mrs. K8 @ 97
John Yoo, is trying to “make himself small”, i.e, invisible…not so fast buster boy.
((((mrs. k8))))
Oklahoma kiddo @ 81
Hopefully sell his story to a publisher.
Oh, this might get fun. My best friend and best friend from college works for the Yale Alumni office. Lew, I will send you a list of his cohorts, if she can dig it out.
dmac @ 82
I had the fortune to watch it with a iraq war vet. He was floored when the lawyer called bush a king in this tiny sphere while in uniform.
linky
Valley Girl @ 106
So, ask them about the Taliban spokesman that got to go there after *^&%.
GordonM @ 99
It jumps right out at me. Aber vielleicht hat meine Studienzeit an zwei Universitaeten in Deutschland etwas damit zu tun. Never thought of it in that light, thanks for the insight.
What’s with Yale producing such menaces to humankind?
It’s a scenic ride chock full of bright shiny objects on the way to Crazy Town.
Valley Girl @ 98
What a disgrace. The Clintons graduated from Yale law school. In New Haven, we would joke about the house they supposedly cohabited in.
What a bunch of hypocrites and liars. Mr. Anti-Gay this and that caught in the act! And look at his excuse! He’s still in denial! The whole thing says so much about where Republicans are today – so deep in the closet they totally deny reality. These Fox-Republican officials and politicians are among the very worst in our entire history. I’m not sure we’ve ever had so many bad eggs, starting from the President down, in one party at one time for so long.
http://www.rawstory.com/showou….._0808.html
Yoo went to Yale. He’s at Boalt Hall as a teacher.
(Oh wow, does that say something about law schools. He is, by the way, a corrupt academic. In his first presidential prerogatives memo, he cited himself as the footnoted authority. Any hack academic can get an article published in some pseudo-journal and anyone with any sense who read that memo would have realized it. Except it was probably “red” by Chaney who passed it to our Presidential illiterate.
dmac @ 104
dmac — hugs and smooches right back at ya! It’s so good to see you and hear your remarks, always so heartfelt and direct and profound.
radiofreewill @ 111
and what a long strange trip it’s been — so far.
lew at 70-I think if you check back, the story I quoted in its entirety was Jay Weaver’s.
yeah, you attributed the story to him, but his name wasn’t listed on your list of journalists who covered padilla…..you made a list of people who covered it, then quoted him as being accurate, but he didn’t make the list…that’s all……….
as you know, i’ve been following your posts…….thank you………
Yoo teaches at Berkley.
Sad.
Mrs. K8 @ 109
Modern terms, have a term for it, “spin”.
Valley Girl @ 106
Have her give it up!
Christy on C-SPAN right now….
Lew Koch @ 114
I think Yoo just transfered to Stamford (allowing to again admit that I’m a Berkeley alum).
GordonM at wherever
I have always need a little help from my friends.
SanderO @ 110
don’t forget Rachel Paulose… Monica Goodling’s AUSA buddy (possibly spelled incorrectly)
I don’t think there’s any possibility this story ends well for Padilla. Remember that kid from Marin County who fought for the Taliban? He copped a deal to do his 20 yrs a low sec prison near home, where his family can visit, and, instead, the shrubbies reneged and now he’s in a steel box in the ADMAX, slowly being driven mad. This administration does not allow it’s special scapegoats to just walk away.
SanderO @ 110
Honestly as a “townie” I have no love for Yale in general as an institution. And yet some of my best friends have been . . . Oh god I hate to say it.
I have huge Qs about Yoo.
What would Yoo do?
Perhaps Facebook could help track down people who went to school with Yoo.
With all the people signed up on progressive groups, it’s a good shot somebody went to school with him.
JD21 @ 113
;> ;> ;> ;> yeah…right..
Rob Zuber @ 121
Thanks for the heads-up!
Rob Zuber @ 121
thanks!
Loo Hoo. @ 118
when writing essays, extra credit for each constitutional amendment you manage to violate, contradict or repudiate
LS @ 119
Not really. As I recall (and I’m extremely rusty), German just does not allow a double negative. If you try to use one, you will be shamed. And if you’ve never been shamed by a German on German grammar, you’ve never been shamed.
okay, google is my friend. Yale law classes 1990- 1999.
here
Scroll down to 1992, tho any one 1989- 1992 might remember him.
Blub @ 124
Lew Koch @ 114
Yeah but pseudo journals don’t pass muster in the academic world as far as I know. Unless there is some nutwing outlet for law students thats read avidly by the likes of Mary Matalin.
Yikes, “Stanford”, not “Stamford”. We’re not in Conneticut anymore.
GordonM @ 122
Weird the spell check here said Berkely wasn’t the correct spelling.
According to Yoo’s website at Berkeley, he teaches conlaw:
• Spring 2007 – 220.1 sec. 1 – Constitution in the Early Republic (course catalog)
• Spring 2007 – 220.4 sec. 1 – Constitutional Law & Rational Choice Theory (course catalog)
• Fall 2006 – 240.1 sec. 1 – International Civil Litigation (course catalog)
• Fall 2005 – 220.7 – Advanced Constitutional Theory: Public Choice and Constitutional Design (course catalog)
• Fall 2005 – 220S – Constitutional Law: Structural Issues (course catalog)
• Spring 2005 – 256B – International Law Workshop (course catalog)
• Fall 2004 – 208.5 – Introduction to United States Law (course catalog)
• Fall 2004 – 263.5A – International Law Workshop (course catalog)
• Spring 2004 – 220S – Constitutional Law – Structural Issues (course catalog)
• Spring 2004 – 261 – International Law (course catalog)
Blub at 124
You’re talking about John Walker Lindh. There us a brilliant article about him in Esquire magazine. July 2006 by Tom Junod. Junod should have won a Pulitzer for it.
GordonM @ 132
My parents spent five years under German occupation. How do I spell the sound of contempt for their “grammar”. Fuk ‘em.
Blub @ 138
Subtitled “Hamilton uber alles”?
Lew Koch @ 139
yeah.. they sent him to the terrorist wing at the ADMAX, that underground prison in Florence, CO.
Yeah, John Walker Lindh, the American Taliban. Thanks for the reference to the Esquire story. Didn’t a FBI agent or DA or someone lose their job for leaking faked or altered documents in the States evidence in his case? I cannot believe they screwed him yet again after his plea agreement (well, actually I can, but jeez).
smapdi at 107 says-”I had the fortune to watch it with a iraq war vet. He was floored when the lawyer called bush a king in this tiny sphere while in uniform.
linky”
lucky you……i watched it the other day alone……..and wanted conversation after……….so much in there….so many inspired thoughts after…..everyone, smapdi’s link at 50 and 107…….worth your time……….thanks………
Blub at 138
Take a look at Yoo’s memo’s for the Government. They’re all in a book called The Torture Papers, edited by Karen Greenberg and Joshua Dratel.1249 pages and it sits next to my computer should I ever forget why the hell I’m writing.
Furious dust cloud, no skid marks and free flight…
Magic Bus – The Who (Amsterdam live in 74)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrrgxapY7vU
LS @ 140
You realize that many say Americans are the closest to Germans in outlook and behavior?
Germany is fascinating. They have the lowest of low popular culture, but have produced many of the greatest geniuses. They come close to proving the non-existant “law of averages”.
Mrs K8@97
Sittin’ in a Dock at The Hague
Sounds like a great Otis Redding Parody.
hmmm…
Lew Koch @ 139
Here’s a link: http://www.esquire.com/feature…..JLINDH_106
welll.. it is the summer at Berkeley. Perfect chance for shrub to get Yoo a recess appointment… aren’t there a few Dep AG slots open?
mrs. k8 at 115 says-”dmac — hugs and smooches right back at ya! It’s so good to see you and hear your remarks, always so heartfelt and direct and profound.”
thanks, love ya, hope you are well………….
Subway Serenade @ 148
watchin’ my pride roll away…
brownbuffalo at 149
Thanks..I should have provided it. I just grabbed the file.
GordonM @ 147
I speak from a pillar of reality, not fantasia.
radiofreewill @ 146
brownbuffalo @ 143
It was Justice Department attorney Jesselyn Raddack, another Yale lawyer. She has written a book about it, The Canary In The Coalmine.
Geebus! Check out the notable alumni on the Wikipedia entry on Yale law school: Alito, Hadley . . *sigh*
Lew I enjoyed meeting you at the YKOS conference. The photo I took is here.
GordonM @ 152
Sittin in a dock at The Hague, facin’ time…
ahh the possibilites…
SeamusD at 156
I’m having trouble getting a hit from Amazon on the name and the title.
Blub @ 138
Strangely these are crosslisted in the literature department with Modern Comedy, Surrealism, and Theater of the Absurd.
TexBetsy at 158
I didn’t see my photo. I was told I was a twin to George Clooney
TexBetsy @ 158
Hot Gal!
SeamusD at 156,
Thanks a bunch! It seemed like she got the worked in a fairly blatant miscarriage of justice and no one in the MSM seemed to care. But, I didn’t know the details or read any follow up — now I will! Thanks again.
LS @ 154
I think I understand your strong feelings about this. My father-in-law was tortured by the Germans in a prison camp during the war, torture which included starvation techniques and other horrendous things. He had been a happy energetic person before the war, and a broken man forever after.
He knew I was a scholar in German studies, and yet I’m happy that after his death I was entrusted with the private notebooks he kept with his sometimes stream-of-consciousness memories of life in the camp. He had never shown them to a soul during his life, and they are heart-rending.
I don’t know if it helps to think of this, but German is also the language of Heinrich Heine and Einstein and Bertolt Brecht and Felix Mendelssohn and Hannah Arendt and….
Lew Koch @ 162
Isn’t this you?
TexBetsy @ 158
Very Cool. I’m not on facebook, so it’s neat to see some faces. Is that Loo Hoo third pix top row? And who is she with? And who is that in the shot below them. The four guys? Do I know them? Please help. I’m curious.
Loo Hoo. @ 120
I wouldn’t be surprised if his classmates had mixed feelings about him.
demi @ 167
yes. Loo Hoo and Teddy.
Lew, Apparenty the Jesselyn Radack (just 1 “d’) can be purchased through a website lised here:
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/interviews/054
Mrs. K8 at 165
Have you sought a publisher. I’m somewhat well acquainted with works in that area and the content seems like something I’d very much like to read.
brownbuffalo at 170
Thank you very much
radiofreewill at 146 says-”
Furious dust cloud, no skid marks and free flight…
Magic Bus – The Who (Amsterdam live in 74)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrrgxapY7vU”
yuuuuuuueaaaaaaah……….pete townshend, my favorite man……….since ‘76…….who came first……….live at st. marysville academy cd is the best of him………released in early 2000’s…………blew speakers out in my old datsun in the 80’s to magic bus…….my favorite song…….didn’t know what it meant, made me blush when someone finally explained it to me………”thannnnnksssssss forrrrrrr the memorrrrrries……..”
Thank you TexBetsy…
Teddy is so cute. (Loo Hoo too, but i knew that.) Who’s the lady with her hand on her face and the lady with her hand up? Sorry to be tedious…but, still.
And it’s really interesting to listen to this panel on CSPAN. Christy talks similarly to how she writes. Period. :)
GordonM @ 99
Course German does allow other types of shit – like the allowing the verb to be at the end of the sentence geputten.
LS @ 154
Well, a certain amused (or bemused) detachment is helpful in studying, say, slime molds, the sexual habits of Republicans, or how Koala bears feed their young (infants eat momma’s shit). I really do understand that it’s not always possible to maintain. My ex-in-laws suffered the same difficulties.
demi @ 167
Demi, that’s me with the Teddy!
demi @ 174
hand on face is katymine. hand in air is egregious. did you see these?
Lew Koch @ 160
I think she self-published it. link
Mrs. K8 @ 165
It is, in my opinion, spinning of the truth. Confusion, double negatives, etc., that is the tactic being used on our society, that was the original subject of my comment. That was a tactic used at the time, and I remain aware of it. That is what I am writing about. I don’t want to be fooled, once I have been warned.
Minor nitpick, but …
His testimony was powerful because it called into question
“was powerful because it” strikes me as debatable, inasmuch as 1) it’s subjective and 2) there might be other reasons why it’s powerful.
“His testimony called into question … ” does the job.
These are strange times, the rapid erosion of the rights I hold so dear, the days when I heard the someone could be held for years with no due process on evidence that might make a southern sheriff think twice in the days of “jim crow” before going to court. So much of the wild eyed speculation of the tin foil hat squad of the mid 90’s now coming to pass. But some one must side against this, even if we a swepted aside at least we tried.
At a linguistics conference, a speaker noted that while a double negative equated to a positive a double positive never equated to a negative. From somewhere in the audience came a derisive “Yeah, yeah”.
Old linguistic joke.
GordonM @ 176
Like I said.
Blub @ 96
Clerking for Thomas – probably as close to sitting on the bench as one can get without being appointed.
Thanks, again.
I did see that set.
Quick, before we all end up in a new thread, do you have one of the Therapod?
Lew Koch @ 171
No, Lew, I haven’t. The writings are very tough reading, but not just because of the painfully brutal contents.
After the war, the man who later became my father-in-law had serious bouts with mental illness. He was also an artist (not merely as an avocation — he and his wife were both serious [and quite poor!] artists). His language in the notebooks is often bizarre, much like nightmarish dreamscapes, with very little in the way of straightforward narrative.
He often mixed his memories with odd interjections of contemporary phraseology, often from the advertising world — with heavy doses of dripping bitterness and sarcasm and cynicism.
Most people would not know what to make of it — maybe it speaks to my own mental landscape that I often believe I understand it, in spite of the fact that whole sections can sound, to someone without empathy, like the ramblings of a madman.
Back in the sixties there was a strain of thought in psychology which attempted to link the writings of schizophrenics with creativity and art. His notebooks make me think of that.
It’s not surprising that he became paranoid — he was the man in the camp who kept fashioning radio equipment to hear news of the outside world. His “comrades,” under torture themselves, ratted him out on several occasions.
The pages I have amount to the fingerprints of a broken mind and heart, but I can’t imagine a ready audience for them beyond the family.
What the hell is up with Yale???
Mrs. K8 @ 165
And a lot of great artists as well. Kathe Kollwitz, Lovis Corinth, Max Liebermann, Kokoschka, Ernst ludwig Kirchner, Klee,Otto Dix. I even like Emil Nolde, even though he apparently tried to join the Nazi party.) And writers Rilke, Thomas Mann, Gunter Grass. And one of the best WWI antiwar books by Erich Maria remarque (Chimpy wouldn’t like what it has to say.) Has anyone read Victor Klempererr’s I will bear witness. It’s a must read.
SunnyNobility @ 185
probably entails a lot of “checking with Anton”… “Clerk, check with Justice Scalia on this.. make sure he says it looks right”
Mrs. K8 at 187
That school of psychology in someways was reflected in the work of R. D. Laing (”Knots”)as well as by Carl Whittaker, a rather noted psychologist at the University of Wisconsin. I would like very much to continue this discussion,if you would, off list. My email is Lew dot Koch at Gmail dot com.
Thank you
Excuse me, please, if I miss any other comments headed in my direction. I have to lie down a bit. Coping with fatigue as a symptom sucks, but taking frequent breaks helps.
Hope to be back soon — love to all the Firepups and the great front-pagers here who make this such a great community! There’s no place like the Lake!
TRex is upstairs
koch (and team)
thanks for the reporting.
it has been the only fixed source of info i have had on this very important trial.
Mrs K8 at 18. And when Lou is finished (If he doesn’t have other ideas) I’d like to see them. You can contact me at publisher@tybornehill.com
Again, only after Lou has decided he’s not interested. He saw it first. Put “contact from Firedog Lake in the subject line so I’ll see it.
I had reletives who died in the camps, so I’m interested in anything like this.
Lew Koch @ 191
RD Laing. He’s the guy who said you had to go through it, not try to pull back from it, right? Always struck me as true.
eCAHNomics @ 95
Yoo Qs?
Q: What’s a 5-letter word with 4 consecutive vowels?
Clue? It starts with ‘Q’.
SanderO @ 110
You know I’ve been wondering about this for quite some time.
MarkH @ 197
queue
If you guys are unsure about what’s going on in the US at the moment, read up on the Weimarian Republic and the rise of Hitler. (old Boondocks joke : don’t compare Bush to Hitler, Hitler was democratically elected.)
Well, after WWII the Americans came round and installed a great democracy in Germany (check out the election system), too sad there’s only so much democracy going round, so the US can’t afford it at home now.
p.s. : in german, a double negative is a positive. a verb at the end indicates a subordinate clause. german language is *very* concise, and about perfect for splitting hairs … which i assume made for all the great german mathmaticians and philosophers of the 18th and 19th century. english books in german translation tend to get about 30% longer, which means the new Harry Potter will count as phys ed when the translation gets out … ^^
Thank you Lew. This is so very sad and frightening. How to move people to care when they don’t even care about our veterans?
Andy Patel has little if anything to do with the defense. He has not said one word in trial. And he is not a federal public defender. He is a private lawyer who is hanging on for publicity. Michael Caruso and the other federal public defenders have done all the trial work in this case. Thought you should get your facts straight…