selise – Just getting around to most of these comments, read to your #87, and refreshed to see your #388: RIGHT on. WOW. THANK YOU. Great work. I’ll be looking forward to your summary, and will check here for the link tomorrow.

Having the Congressional Record for the Senate action on Friday finally available today helped me to understand the interaction between the House and the Senate a little better, I think. Your details will give us the insider account we’re usually missing. I hope everyone will make a point of reading it when you post it.

Here’s the Congressional Record link that accesses the statements and other floor action that took place in Congress, for those interested (click on House or Senate for your choice of dates, and then choose the subject matter of the bill or matter of interest to you):

http://thomas.loc.gov/r110/r110.html

[And to Otis @ 88 - Awesome letter! WOW to you too. That is so spot-on in tone and perspective (and detailed factual background) for someone like Nelson. Way to stand up for your rights!]

here is the link to my summaries.

-Tell it to the bouncing ball.

There’s commitment for you.

With kind regards,
Dog, etc.
searching for home

They have no right to do so, and every official who supported this, or allowed it to happen should be removed from office. Actually, according to the Declaration of Independence, this government SHOULD BE ABOLISHED.

Because governments are formed for the express purpose of protecting the rights of the people, and when a government becomes destructive of those rights, it becomes the DUTY of the people to abolish it.

hackworth @ 273

I agree with DonR. Count me out too. The American Military, its enormous budget and its Corporate coat tail riders – the Media and the Military Industrial Complex – is corrupt and costs too much money and too many lives. It is also wreaks havoc on the environment. A small military with a small budget for the purpose of defense and defense only is all that we really need. We need single payer not for profit health care for all and solar and wind energy.

I guess that makes three of us, thank you. I was beginning to feel like FDL had been hijacked by the DLC and Leibermanesque anti partisanship drones which we all know just supports neo con militaristic fascism and more death and mayhem around the world.

If it was so terribly wrong to kill innocents in Iraq to begin with, it certainly is wrong to encourage more of it, imo.

Bless you, one of a few of the other voices of reason to my ears in this thread . . .

We live in a facist existence. There IS no equal enforcement of ANYTHING. A draft is to find people to die and kill, for the elite.

Our country is not at threat, other than from it’s own policies, and from itself.

If that’s not obvious to anyone on this thread, yer not a progressive liberal, by ANY means.

Yer pretty much the REASON we are in the crap we are in.

We ARE a divided nation, and this thread exemplifies that. Time to address THAT issue, amongst the patriots, and ’socalled’ patriots who would send our own to wage war for profit.

It’s simple. Yer either against this, or, yer enabling and supporting it, like the Dem’s are.

Harumph.

We desperately need to cultivate a sense of civic responsibility among Americans, and to do so we have to put an end to a belief that the dirty jobs, like soldiering, are done by the poor and disenfranchised. I don’t want to fight in a war or join the military, but I do believe that any draft age person who says he’ll run away or get daddy to procure him a deferment or expects either of these scenarios to happen, is a very bad person, who symbolizes everything that is wrong with this country today.

Hoss, it still falls under some misguided sense of Noblisse Oblige . . .

DonR1 @ 243

Damn right the entire US military

ok.. this’ll probably get me in trouble on this blog, but I’m really not comfortable with this line of argument. The military isn’t supposed to be an instrument of policy.. and certainly not for this war. We’re engaged in a political war now, created by politicians to advance their political interests.. that’s it. Let’s not blame the military just because some of us don’t like men and women in uniform.

Blub, THEY ARE THE INSTRUMENTS OF POLICY AND WAR!!!!

You can’t seperate that . . . maybe if they had BEEN drafted, but they wasn’t.

All this talk of a draft stopping the GWOT??

That the outcry would STOP that GWOT?

Or stop Big Biz from it’s march on the world?

What kinda phreakin KOOLAID are you people drinking?

It’s the same mind set that the Dem’s have proven to us . . it’s traitorous!!! Look what it’s done to our nation, our constitution?

Insane . . . pure insane goobblygook I’m hearing.

SO, in my humble opinion, I respectfully phreaking DISAGREE with any of you who think a draft will solve ANYTHING, that is our problem.

Besides, they will ‘forceably’ conscript frin where ever they want to, within a year or so.
You won’t go? They’ll threaten yer family with bodily harm. Simple.

Get it?

True ….but the military still supported the war and encouraged it. It’s no damn secret that the idiots who participated in the abuses at abu ghraib etc were US military. I would have no problems with the military being broken as a result of a war they supported and encouraged. It was their idiotic actions that caused this war , and dragged it out. I have ZERO sympathy for the US military

You are casting a pretty wide net there. The “military” is Us.

First time I’ve ever disagreed with your writings.

The military is NOT us. It’s voluntary.
They volunteered, to kill, and wage war.
And they KNEW it.

Once in it, many of them, and many of their leaders now, have figured out that their Commander In Chief put them in harm’s way for profit.

But still, they VOLUNTEERED TO KILL!!!!
Beacause, see, being IN the military, means yer WILLING to kill. And it don’t count if the recruiter never mentioned that.

Everyone knows what joining the military means, ever since Vietnam . . . mother’s, father’s, wives, sisters, brothers, all have spoken of what it means . . . and new parents have spoken with THEIR children, who are now at war, and killing, or being killed.

That’s the military. Let’s please, PLEASE, not forget that.