I just want to comment on the Washington Post article which said that based on observations made about Yearly Kos, the progressive blogosphere is a bunch of white males. I spoke with the author, Jose Vargas, at length prior to its publication but what I had to say doesn't seem to be the story he wanted to write and there were many other non-bloggers willing to validate his point and that's what made it into print. From my perspective, while there may have been a socioeconomic bias that may have made it easier for white male non-bloggers to attend Yearly Kos, there is diversity in the blogosphere and more than that a tremendous willingness to embrace more. And I question the authority and the knowledge regarding the progressive blogosphere of people who don't acknowledge that.
The biggest blogger by far is Arianna Huffington, with 70 million page views per month. Markos is #2, and no amount of willingness to turn him into a white male is going to do that. Markos is Hispanic and that's just a straight fact. John Amato and Duncan Black are straight white men, but John Aravosis is gay (and so are many of his contributors). FDL rounds out the list of top blogs on the left, headed by two women, although Pach -- a Hispanic gay man -- is also one of our primary voices. Digby is probably the most quoted and sharpest thinker around, and she's a woman. I just had to roll my eyes when I heard people who don't actually, you know, blog (and I'm sorry, but putting up an occasional post on the web site of your think tank/interest group/consulting firm's website does not de facto make you familiar with the ins and outs of blogging or the blog world) talk about some cabal of straight white males who sit around a table and decide who does and does not get linked to. To the best of my knowledge, Duncan Black and John Amato haven't yet figured out a way to seamlessly oppress the rest of us and bend us like pretzels to their iron will.
I'll tell you my experience here at FDL because it didn't make it into the Washington Post, for what it's worth. I spent a year trying to figure out the architecture of the blog world, how it works, what were the conventions and the rules. And I knew that with regard to the top bloggers, they wanted to encourage diversity. They wanted to be supportive and were anxious to find people who did what needed to be done in order to regularly link to them and give them traffic and exposure. That means several things, which Pach outlines in this post, but among them you have to post regularly about the topics that news junkies are interested in and you have to find a way to write your issues into those. It is difficult to get people to care about pro-choice, my personal signature issue. I found a way to write it into the Alito story, the Joe Lieberman story, the NARAL story, in a way that the blogosphere got interested in because I took the time to figure out how things worked and how you could catch the wave. I also took a lot of time building relationships with other bloggers, reading what they had to say, linking back to them, going out of my way to meet them in person when I could (no matter how big or little the blog) and being in conversation with other bloggers rather than sitting there carping about how they never linked to me.
Women and people of color have important perspectives to add to any conversation. We need more of both in the progressive blogosphere, it makes it richer and the insights deeper and more comprehensive. But Yearly Kos was prohibitively expensive (my hotel bill was $910) and that just isn't a cost that bloggers who by and large do what they do as a labor of love can afford. Pach did a sampled study of people on the panels and found that only 28% were actually bloggers, so conflating those at Yearly Kos with the progressive blogosphere is a big mistake. It just isn't so. I saw a more Democratic consultants, think tank and interest group representatives than I did bloggers. If you want to argue that the majority of those are white males based on who attended Yearly Kos maybe you have an point. I wouldn't make that kind of generalization because I don't know that world.
People can insist that the blogosphere is a bunch of white males but it just isn't. I sat there and listened to someone who actually does blog and who I like a lot say that nobody of color was blogging on "A" list blogs about prison reform or immigration and I looked over at Pach, a person of color who writes about those issues frequently on FDL, and we both just shrugged our shoulders. What were we going to do? It wasn't what anybody wanted to hear.
We work all the time to bring more diverse points of view to FDL and will continue to do so. Slagging the blogosphere off for being a bunch of white males is deeply insulting and dismissive of all the hard work people who have been successful and aren't white males put in to get to where we are.
(photo of Christy Hardin Smith, Jonathan Singer, Digby, Taylor Marsh and James Rucker at the YK2007 "hot topic" panel by Ms. Helena Handbag).
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Jane!
Jane you were great on CNN! I saw that they replayed it later with the “correct” video clip, but with all the same answers.
As I said in an earlier Scarecrow thread in response to Rayne’s comment about diversity at Yearly Kos: The diversity in the blogosphere more or less reflects the diversity in the Net-saavy community in the US in general.
I wasn’t there but still this leaves me myth-stified.
Great post Jane.
Steve Gilliard..male, black, blogger. RIP
Hugh @ 5
Oh, lord, punaise, where are you?
Yes, I know. France.
*g*
Thanks, Jane! This is important! Did YearlyKos collect demographics on registrants? What about post-panel and session evaluations? I have written curriculum for adult continuing education (and presented) and wonder if next year’s Netroots Nation event couldn’t link to continuing educ providers so that people could get some more bang for their buck, while collecting useful demographic data for bloggers and the blogosphere. Two people who come to mind I read on Kos: Rserven, who is a computer science college prof, and who blogs about adult education and pedagogy, and DrSteveB, who I think is a public health physician and who presents weekly demographics polls for DK readers. Perhaps, some next steps are to create some alternative paths for progressive blogosphere conventions - meat space, virtual and distance learning-based.
Thanks for writing this - it’s very interesting to read, and it’s full of food for thought in working on bettering my own little slice of the blog world.
Another myth which needs to be put to rest is that the blogoshere is primarily made up of “kids.” I have no idea how the age demographics can be tracked on those who write for and follow blogs, but my instinct is that many/most of us are well into “middle age” (whatever that is these days–but it is older than it used to be).
Chicago is expensive that is for sure.
What I can not understand is why it makes a blind bit of difference whether a blogger has breasts or not (are breasts the most important thing in MSM these days?). What does matter is that white, black, gay, woman and anyone else has a forum and many and diverse opinions lead to a deeper understanding of issues.
It is interesting to note that the first people that MSM have decided to ditch are editors. The NYT started the trend a number of years ago and now it seems universal.
OK- What I want ta know is–Why the hell aren’t there any straight white male bloggers out there- why are they all gay, female, or of color?
Oliver Willis.
Male. Black. Blogger.
http://www.myspace.com/owillis
Oh Jane, I was wondering if and hoping that you would write this.
Can we get some data? An FDL demographic survey, perhaps?
This happened to me a fair amount when I was a Wall St. economist. And that was before MSM got so bad, and in a field with lower emotional content. Don’t take it personally. Try to change the meme, but don’t be surprised if you don’t suceed.
As you did last night on CNN! The whole premise of the interview was stooopid, but you raised the level of discussion with your answers.
Maybe they think that, if they don’t acknowledge women and people of color, they won’t have to deal with us or our issues,
As in “la, la, la, la, I can’t (see) hear you”.
THe article was disingenuous at best,
Huh.
Isn’t being heard a requisite for stardom?
Baffling–is he saying that the horde of PJ-clad bloggers hiding out in their moms’ basements are white males? Most white males live behind big, big desks–with secretaries and assistants and stuff. Sounds like the war of the stereotypes….
slight typo about Digby: “…and she’s a women” should be “…and she’s a woman.”
No biggy.
Woodhall Hollow @ 10
simple answer: survey … for free or almost free at surveymonkey.com or zoomerang
many have been done … we’re 35-40ish, working, educated … smarter than the average tv demographic
Steve-AR @ 15
Doh, I’m a white male. Sorry to reinforce the stereotype. However I live in a rural area of a red state and I’m librul.
Armando @ 6
Thanks, Armando. Good to see you here again.
wtf @ 21
Oh to be 40ish again !
FWIW, our Hot Topics panel was the opening act for the Presidential debate that followed. And it will likely play on C-Span at some point, because they did tape it. And you’ll see that it was three women, one black male, and a lonely white male — and we had a blast doing the panel and didn’t give a rat’s ass about any of our genders or colors or what have you.
It was about the ideas. Period. (And despite my cleavage, I managed to moderate the panel just fine, thank you…)
i’m gonna write a screenplay starring a black chinese jewish lesbian blogger who is very very good at math and can sing and dance but is looking for romance, maybe a nice doctor or a lawyer
And oh: I’m definitely NOT a white male… the last time I checked the mirror.
Biggus Diggus @ 20
She is woman hear her roar.
That is very interesting. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. We wouldn’t all show up at their venues.
“many have been done … we’re 35-40ish, working, educated … smarter than the average tv demographic”
I guess that’s right…except for the “working” part-I’m at work, but actually “working”?
Jane! How are you today? As far as I’m concerned, the only rock stars in this business are you gals and Arianna (and Digby, of course). Who else is there?
Garrison Keillor wrote this about Disaster Beliefs, but I think it speaks to the fact that more bloggers are middle-aged:
It’s not young people who imagine soup lines when the Dow Jones falls. They’re too busy snazzing up their Web sites.
Does anyone agree?
SufiLizard @ 22
White males have something to add too. *g*
Oh, and Jane is absolutely correct that the cost was prohibitively expensive. I stayed at a cheaper hotel, and my bill was still in the $850 range. We could barely afford for me to go, but Mr. ReddHedd and I thought it was important and we found a way to do this — I can certainly see why this would have been tough for a lot of folks economically regardless of gender or color.
wtf
OK I’ll write a screenplay about an hispanic african american muslim blogger who is flat broke an lookin fer love- then yer blogger an my blogger can find romance and eternal bliss together.
…and why should that automatically slag us anyway? There were alot of white males - rich white males - fighting for civil rights, because it was the right thing to do.
I think it’s just another republikant meme to tear our solidarity apart.
One of the best times I had at YKos were hanging out with two Latino bloggers who were there because of Kid Oakland’s fundraising (another point in support of the thesis that travel expenses, not blogosphere participation, are what makes the YKos membership what it is.) They were great guys, and both our differences and what we had in common made for great conversation.
Another memorable time was when two Michigan bloggers of Middle Eastern ancestry were casually talking about how they’d have to shave before the flight home, because if they weren’t clean-shaven, they would always get pulled out to be searched.
We need to do more to make the convention accessible to people without much disposable income. The blogosphere? Yes, but not nearly as much.
…and, horrors, you forgot Shakes Sis!
To the best of my knowledge, Duncan Black and John Amato haven’t yet figured out a way to seamlessly oppress the rest of us and bend us like pretzels to their iron will.
Don’t forget Chris Bowers and Matt Stoller and Jerome Armstong and K-Drum —
Seriously, FDL is THE BEST because of the diversity of opinions, sharp analyitical posts, and freewheeling (yet civil) comments.
Jane, Christy, Pach, TRex, et al — YOU ROCK.
Daily Kos hates Kuchinich.
That’s enough for me to know about Kos.
rwcole @ 35
broke? nope … well, depending on a few other characteristics
;)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 25
Why did C-SPAN not broadcast live? I’ve seen the wingnut convention on C-SPAN, and could swear it was live, but I wouldn’t swear to it.
In keeping with this theme that the political blogosphere is not necessarily dominated by white men, I’m curious what you guys think about the YouTube/CNN debate since only 24% of the YouTube questions SELECTED were from women.
Some have said that this is because YouTube is primarily white/male/young and women are underrepresented, thus, if the majority of questions came from men (a fact I cannot prove) then this is why the majority of questions selected (a proven fact) were from men.
I persist in my belief that since women make up 51% of the population and 55% of the registered electorate, then at least 50% of the YouTube questions SELECTED should have been from women.
I have a fuller post on this at my site (yes I’m female and run a site) at www.everydaycitizen.com at this post:
Almost 9 Million More Women - YouTube Blew It?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 25
I can’t wait for Vargas’ next story about bloggers’ cleavage.
Hope no one minds too much if I respond briefly up here to one aspect of Christy’s “Hard Knock Life?” thread — I’m so late to the discussion that virtually no one will see it if I post at the end down there.
Folks were listing the items which took a lot of time fighting for — all the years of the civil rights movement in the 20th century, all the decades it took for sufferage to gain the vote for women, etc.
Just want to note — the first anti-slavery manifesto in North America was written and published in 1683 by members of the Society of Friends and others allied with them, in Germantown, Pennsylvania (now a neighborhood long ago incorporated into the city of Philadelphia).
Think about that, 1683. It took almost two hundred years to get an official emancipation proclamation.
God forbid it should take that long to get our Constitution back! But I think on these things when I get deeply discouraged about the serious state of the path to dictatorship we are on now.
Our actions can NEVER be linked to any pragmatic notion of the likelihood of immediate success*, IMO. We must fight for what is right for no other reason than its very rightness. There have been many heroes who have died for their principle of justice for all, knowing full well that they would never see “the Promised Land.”
If we are to be patriots, we too must be willing to keep up the fight to save and restore democracy even if it takes the rest of our lives, and beyond, if need be.
JMO.
Love to you Jane, and to all you Firepups! Bless you for keeping the Fire of devotion to the Constitution burning brightly here at the Lake.
* (not that I don’t love pragmatic ideas for success, of course!)
rethuglican bloggers have buttcrack cleavage
eCAHN at 42 — Because Congress was still in session and they are obligated by contract to show floor footage live when it is going on as well as committee hearings and such. (When it is broadcast, though, you’ll get to see my pissed off rant about FISA…)
Wow great post Jane… Having not gone to YKos, I’ve been watching the “buzz” surrounding it and have been a bit floored by the characterizations of it.
So other than continuing to give a voice to the full spectrum of citizenry, irregardless of sex, race, color, religion or lack there of… What can be done to thwart these incorrect impressions that are starting to form and become the establishment’s “accepted view” of the blogosphere?
Guilty of flying while Middle Eastern. Lock ‘em up & throw away the key.
Steve-AR @ 15
There is a voluntary (mostly demographic) survey for attendees on the convention website. There are prizes; hopefully a lot of us will fill it out.
Pam Pohly @ 43
Did you email CNN, with a link to your blog?
Redshift @ 37
That was amazing, wasn’t it? Actually, Brainwrap is Middle Eastern, and Nirmal is Indian — but they both are darker skinned or “swarthy”, as Brainwrap put it.
But that doesn’t fit the blogger stereotype so the media ignored it. At least the folks who count do care in the right way; Nirmal is moving to DC this week to begin blogging for the AFL-CIO. Woohoo!!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 47
C-SPAN3 was available. Think that’s what the wingnut convention was on. And they could have started replaying it on 1 or 3 on Sunday, but didn’t
My sense is that left leaning blogs are pretty color blind and have open arms to good ideas and discourse.
Aside from some of the nicks which reveal gender… it’s hard to tell age and so forth. And it never mattered to me what color or gender someone is as long as they have something good to say… as do the Pups.
You omitted that white guy Josn Marshall by the way whose done some very good work and we all miss Billmon who was probably not a gay black female.
FDL has some incredible XX chromosone thinkers here… and most spell a helluva lot better than hunt and peck moi.
Jane, you and your ilk are a national treasure. hahaha.
basically the msm is saying about ‘yearly kos’ hey women and people of colour: you have nowhere to go in the ‘netroots.’
dont even think about it. they dont want you.
please for gods sake stay away. we do not want blacks, women, and white males comingling in opposition to…………power.
not having been to YearlyKos last year or this year, it is my observation from afar that last year seemed like a primarily Kos get-together not only for bloggers but for READERS of blogs as well as activists, whereas this year, my impression is of bloggers and assorted bigwigs, but maybe not so much the readers?? I may be wrong, not having been there, just reading and watching video, etc.
Last year, not being able to afford to go was almost physically painful for me, reading all the posts, whereas this year, it’s interesting and gratifying how much blogs have “crashed” the gates, but I don’t feel like I would’ve fit in much in person. I work full-time supporting my hubby (currently not working due to injury) and my son, and cost is definitely a big factor, even though Chicago is way closer than Las Vegas was.
I understand why next year will be Netroots Nation and less emphasis of DailyKos, but for someone who attended… Is the blogosphere considered to be bloggers PLUS audience for blogs, or maybe not so much anymore? (Because where would any of the blogs be, whether DK or FDL or any other, without devoted readers like me?? (I do know I choked up bigtime watching Kos’ key note speech and did feel a part of it all. (Thanks, Kos)
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 40
Hm. Wasn’t aware that DKos has merged into a single group mind with one opinion. I guess it’s lucky I moved over here a while back…
Every MSM article like that WaPo piece leave me with the same impression: this guy has no clue. It used to be funny watching the Wise Men blathering authoritatively about something they know nothing about, but now it’s just tiresome.
Exhibit A is always the claim that bloggers are “unaccountable” because we don’t have to clear stuff with an editor. You can only write that if you’ve never seen a hyperlink, never used one to check out a source and see if the argument being presented is supportable. Who needs an editor if you’ve got hundreds of readers ready to go “Gotcha!” on your ass at the first misquote or bit of sloppy thinking?
Supporting evidence is Mr. Vargas himself. He’s got an editor and it didn’t do him any good, did it?
Steve-AR @ 15
I’m bipedal.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 34
You, Jane etc do such great work…even for women *g*
Seriously though thank you so much for all you do and I made a venture to PayPal just now to help a little with the hotel.
Thanks again
The first I’d seen of the All White Males Kos meme was at the rude pundit’s blog. Teh rude one had guest bloggers last week - all of whom were black. One did that story while Kos2 was still rolling. All White Guys = more status quo.
It was an entertaining read, but I will take Jane at her word because Jane was there.
You mean FDL isn’t run by white men?
I’m outta here.
-GSD
Naw, didn’t occur to me. Maybe I should…
Pam
Jane:
Jose interviewed me at the convention. He came up to me because I was Filipino. I gave him Oliver’s name, Liza’s name, Pamela’s name. I e-mailed him with the site names. It was like he saw what he wanted to see and not go in-depth.
He should have followed up. I e-mailed him after reading the article in the WaPo. Told him he lost credibility because of his lack of research. In other words, totally shallow.
Steve-AR @ 15
I’m a 35yo straight (except for my man crush on TRex) white male veteran.
BTW the subject of this blog is one of the important reason why screen names are important. Using them you get accepted or shunned for the quality of your contribution, not for any ethnic, gender, orientation, or any other characteristic that does not influence how your mind works.
Pam Pohly @ 63
Do it, do it. Never too late. And you might even have some influence, since they’ll review constructive criticism for the next one.
de-lurking just long enough to say a big THANKS to FDL and contributors. Thanks to you folks I learn something new almost everyday. Back to lurking.
Oh, and if Chicago was too expensive, why don’t you all come down here to New Orleans next time. We’re cheap.
No, I don’t mean that way.
Stock Market up 193- It can’t decide whether ta shit or go blind.
Pam Pohly @ 43
I would opine that a network that profits mightily from the daily objectification of missing, runaway, drug-and-booze-abusin’, bearin’-whelps-out-of-wedlock, jailhouse-or-rehab-bound platinum-haired eye candies might have a vested interest in maintaining their own demographic fictions for the public’s perception.
Jane:
Agree completely with your analysis of blogger diversity.
I read FDL everyday and have commented only occasionally. I did start reading FDL when it was “new” for the Libby coverage (and Christy was Reddhead).
Today, I read it for the variety of perspectives that the different bloggers bring to issues that I am interested in.
And, lastly a shout-out to Siun who had the wonderful doctor from Iraq on, a few weeks ago. The discussion on that thread highlighted views (about american exceptionalism) that are seldom expressed in progressive blogs.
Jane, this question of “Where are the female bloggers?” comes up about once a quarter and has for years now.
It’s the reason why BlogHer began, to encourage the female blogosphere to flex its muscles and make it really freaking easy for the dolts in the media to figure out where the female bloggers were.
You will notice, of course, that BlogHer had yet another convention this year at the end of July…and the media ignored it. Short of massive amounts of marketing and excessive nudity, we really can’t make it any easier for them. No wonder at all the corporate media is little more than a collection of dead, mostly white middle-aged men walking.
If ya want cheap- go ta some city that’s suckin wind- like St. Louis.
Mods
Two of my comments got smushed together at 66 & it won’t let me edit. Second one starts at Pam Polly. Can you separate? Much thanks.
marjo @ 56
No, I didn’t feel like that was the case. At the FDL caucus, I would guess that around half the people present introduced themselves as lurkers or readers, and there were plenty of other people I met who said the same. Certainly no on thinks any less of someone there if they’re not a blogger, everyone who cares enough to be there (or here!) is “one of us.”
Now, I will say that the media people certainly don’t know the difference. When the ABC reporter came up to me while I was checking my email on my laptop and asked “are you a blogger?”, what quickly flashed through my mind was “well, actually I’m a frequent commenter at several blogs, though I occasionally post a diary at DailyKos…”, but what I actually said was “yes.” *g*
rwcole @ 69
Reminds me of Jeff Spicoli in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
“Is your brother gonna shit, or is he gonna kill us?”
-GSD
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 55
That is it exactly.
It’s all straight white male bloggers cause the female, gay, colored people took all the jobs.
as a married half anglo/half mexican-american male folk (and we have the sweetest 5/8 mexican american 8 year old son);
1) i came here because wise women were writing intelligent, compelling stuff and i needed firedog lake for my rage issues, please. i took reassurance that women were in charge.
2) i appreciated the appearance of gay writers as you expanded your contributors, Because the presence of gays is another affirmation that i am in the right place.
diversity isn’t optional.
it’s a measure of reality/sanity.
got to have it.
on our street we have two lesbian couples, mexican-american families, black households, a jewish couple lives next door and lots of white folks … retirees, college kids, and a half-way house …
Jane, et al, Y’all have made us a paradise in this cyber-whatever: we are in your debt.
Hugh @ 59
Ooh, kinky!
hackworth @ 77
And its about time for O’Reilly to gear up for his war on Christmas.
rw at 78 — I’m quite certain that was intended as snark, yes? (ahem)
GSD @ 76
First he’s gonna shit, then he’s gonna kill us.
GSD
It’s one of those sayins that you don’t know where it came from - or what it means exacly- but it makes ya laugh- at least it makes ME laugh.
Egad. And so continues the poking around of the left wing of the blogosphere with a 10 foot stick. Angry, extremists! Mostly white males (hypocrites)! Past blog reader surveys are available, I’ve filled one out. But that does not address what the demographics mean. There are a number of points, I think, to lodge here.
1. Representativeness: Using leading voices, as Jane does, or an unscientific “looks kinda white and male to me,” as the WaPo does, as criteria are both different ways of measure presence. Jane’s actually makes sense and has the logic of influence behind it. Compared to the right, the left has far more leading lights who are not male or white.
2. Distinguishing readers from bloggers. Both matter but figuring out why they matter needs to be understood. And then you have to wrestle with anonymity. People who make it to YKos have the time and resources and commitment to make it. Not surprising that it might reflect the most advantaged group in terms of basic attendance.
3. What is the point of difference: Anatomy as a criticism is a charicature of progressive arguments over the last two centuries, and some of the loudest pushback against that oversimplification has come from the left. Exactly what does it signal even if a majority of lefty bloggers are white males? Are they out their trying hard to protect while male power and privilege? Without some connection to analysis of power, the demographics don’t say much.
Redd
NO DEADLY SERIOUS—oh- ok- yeah it was snark.
Redshift @ 57
point taken. I probably didn’t express my point well at all.
rw — I thought so, but I didn’t want there to be any confusion. *g* I’m juggling enough today as it is…
Rayne @ 72
Rayne, serious question: are there any consolidated stats on the collected traffic of the BlogHer blogs?
I ask because the media tends to cover where the discernible influence is, and traffic (along with technorati rankings) is a quick and dirty way to measure that.
If the collective traffic, or average traffic level is low, then maybe the problem is more about some of the issues Jane has outlined above, about how to build influence through blogging, to find a way to get your interests into the broader conversation in a way that reflects a studied understanding of the dynamics of the medium and of online progressive audiences?
eCAHNomics @ 66
One thing that’s interesting to me. I cross posted my blog entry about the YouTube Debate Sexism to both www.everydaycitizen.com and to dailykos (here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/3/125211/0996 ) and at the kos entry I put up a little poll.
Almost as many people responded that the reason more male questions were chosen for the YouTube debate than female questions was because “The best questions were submitted by men” as those that said “The women’s movement still has a lot of work to do to eradicate sexism.” Yes, the poll sample was small, but it’s still interesting.
Redd
I’ll bet you are– how bout a nap?
rwcole @ 84
I like ‘he don’t know shit from shinola’.
-GSD
Twolf,
That was academy award winner Forest Whittaker’s first film.
Now he’s one of those wacked out L. Ron Hubbardites.
Okay, I went digging in the archives.
And I was blogging about the ridiculously repetitive question, “Where are the women bloggers?” as far back as 2004 (and I’m sure if I looked, I’d find something in 2003 and possibly 2002).
Jeebus, it was Ezra Klein who caused that particular post that quarter, too. Yeesh.
As to demographic, I like to think of myself as middle aged, but I worry that there are so few 118 year olds.
It really is shocking the amount confirmation bias in the MSM. They see only what they expect to see no matter how hard we attempt to get them to look at a few facts.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 34
How about Branson, MO next time? Or Knoxville or some smaller, less expensive city that is served by Southwest or other cheap carriers? Better yet, have your own FDL conference in WVA! And stay the heck away from New York City!
…and jmm is a jew. we’re more diverse than even earl butz could have imagined.
Yeah, I just liked the mix here. Gals, guys, gays, lawyers, doctors and all….
And I still miss Steve Gilliard.
-GSD
GSD
Yeah- exactly like that—
Two of the guys I worked with once were havin a little war—-one came upon the other shinin his shoes with his fingers and said–”can I get ya some toilet paper?” It was a three pointer.
Steve T. @ 58
egg-zackly
Thanks for this challenge to WaPo sloppiness, Jane. Here’s the reporter chatzing this morning:
When challenged on their facts and shit, he responds, “But I was trying to get people talking — and it worked!”
Also, your Sanchez pal Bluey got a shout-out, comparing CPAC with YK:
Hey Vargas — not so honest, actually…..
ew, is YearlyKos the blogosphere?
Kos is regarded by many as a (D) Party apparatchik, and it seems the convention was message controlled by that party, with no panels on Impeachment, and buy-in to (D) framing on the war, like Clinton’s faux withdrawal plan.
epu’d: