I was thinkin’ “Is Moqtada a closet field-grade officer for the Iranian Army? When did that happen?”

Instead, my mind is completely at ease, now that you’ve set things straight, and Lee’s post just turns out to be another piece of “They’re buried under the Kaaba in Mecca!” foil-hat stuff. :o)

What’s really neat, is that now that Saddam is wormfood, and with practically nothing left of his regime (Except the insurgency which bush, Rumsfeld, Cheyney, etc., so cleverly overlooked in their “planning”) ALLLL of those backhoe operators; those truckdrivers; those pilots and grunts to load and fly them out; are ALL so loyal to the old tyrant’s memory, that not a SINGLE EFFING ONE OF THEM, has come forward to claim about a zillion dollar reward, if they could lead CentCom to the missing WMD’s, or testify TRUTHFULLY (careful now, Lee…remember the yellowcake posse. :o) ) where the damn things went.

I mean, bush would give them the twins, if they could do that.

Of course, that still leaves the petrodactyls holding the bag for the Al Queada training camps, and the single-use aluminum tubes, and the weather-balloon-trailers. Which the Brits sold him.

And, let me be thorough here;

I’m talking about the “human rights” pea. The one that got sort of lost in the “justification” shuffle.

It’s a tough last card to be down to, for your side, in that Saddam’s worst excesses were committed during the Reagan/Bush regimes, when they were happily exchanging ass-rubs with him, until he got greedy and grabbed Kuwait and all that extra oil. At which point, he stopped being their guy, and became a threat to all of christendom.

There’s also the little matter of the Reagan administration signing off on sending Saddam those Anthrax starter-kits, and who knows what else?

What it boils down to, is that you people who helped crank up this misery, have jackshit to stand on. You got nothin’…I mean nothin’…

Deal with it.

2 reasons for war.
1) War Profiteering
2) Control of oil in the middle east.

1# comments
DOD contractors were drooling at the mouth for this war.
DO you think THESE people care about how many people DIE in the process ?
Aegis Video Killing Iraqis for fun

Blackwater contractors in Iraq

They WANT this war to continue
Many of these contractors help put this Admin in power

2# comments
Its NOT oil NOW thats the problem
China is growing with the increase of oil growing faster. in 5 years it will be through the roof.
Control of Mid-East oil will be crucial 5 years from now.

Insurgents are now wearing USA body armor
and the US soldiers in the feild are dying cos they dont have them.

Bush-C0/Cheney-C0 needs to be held accountable for killing our soldiers

Buy nothing – do nothing – be you banker, baker, candle-stick maker. Stay home, go to the park. Bring this country to a standstill!

BE HEARD! Pass it on.

Yes! Scarecrow. Great one. By the way how was it that the NYT op ed editors didn’t catch the misrepresentation of the pair before they published this crap. Shades of Judith Miller– (knowingly closing one’s eyes)?

Because they are paid not to.

By guess who?

LibertyLee @ 235

Tanbark @ 213

I’ll take you up on it when we get access to an airfield about 40 km from Damascus that Gen. Sadr flew into it. Until then it will have to be an unresolved issue.

Ye gads not that crazy claim.
Ok Liberty just so you don’t make a bigger full of yourself than you already have:
1. The fellow you’re referring to is Sada – not Sadr. Sadr’s that fellow who’s pretty damn popular in southern Iraq and to my knowledge he’s not and never has been a General in the Iraqi (or any other countr’s military)
2 If this Sadr (or Sada) fellow flew all these WMD into this airfield in Iraq what in hell were those delightful pics that ole colon Bowel was flashing around at the UN. I do recall that ole Colon claimed that they were pics of WMD in Iraq – you know those WMD which you just claimed Sadr (or was it Sada) flew to Syria
3. If Sada flew those WMD to Syria AFTER ole colon’s pics were taken how in hell did those super duper $multi bn satellites from the NSA etc MISS them being moved ?

Damn. you Republicans are so damned dopey it amazes even me. you know liberty, despite what your pastor Pat flobertson tells you, thinking is NOT heretical…….

I agree you are entitled to your opinions and to post them here. Like most opinions yours are predictions (We can win) or wishes after the fact. (We would have won in Vietnam if the leftists let our troops do what they were there to do) What has to happen to change your mind? How lost must a cause be, before you recognize it as a lost cause?

Tanbark @ 213

Okay, one more. I can’t help myself. :o)

“…because Saddam had nukes…”

RWCole: “Not even clusterfuck claims that.”

Liberty Lee: (strange moniker, all things considered…)

“The president doesn’t make that claim because the issue is past and why argue over it.”

No, Liberty, you WISH it was past.

A gigantic lie the size of Mr. Rushmore, won’t fit under the denial-rug.

Besides, to the families of 3600-plus dead american troops, and the families of a half-million-plus dead Iraqis (and counting) I’ve got $20 bucks that says it’s worth arguing about.

I’ll take you up on it when we get access to an airfield about 40 km from Damascus that Gen. Sadr flew into it. Until then it will have to be an unresolved issue.

Late to the party (what’s new?)

Riddle me this Batman:

I assume you’re speaking of WMD’s?

My rhetorical questions are: Why hold them back? Why save a lethal weapon for future use? Why send them out of your own sovereign borders to another country?

Let me explain this in a way most freepers can comprehend: Say someone breaks into your house and you have a handgun a 22, 32, 38, 44, or whatever — ok — someone breaks into your house and you have the gun in within easy access in front of you — what do you do?

Do you use the weapon to protect yourself and your family (Iraq) against the intruder (U.S.)?

Or do you take the gun, open the front door and throw it into your neighbor’s yard (Syria)? And hope for what?

What’s your choice Batman?

This whole business is going to end in military and fiscal disaster. The Democrats could have minimized the damage, but as Hugh above says, they are doing a Kabuki play on this because unlike the Republicans, who truly despise the public, the Democrats simply don’t trust them. We no longer have a democratic system.

The Democrats would like to take us out of the war, but don’t know how. The end game will be financial collapse, because at some point the Japanese and the Chinese are going to stop lending money to support our misbegotten imperial venture. The Libertylee’s can rail all they want about how our manifest destiny is to dominate the Middle East, but they ought to know that money talks, and it’s no longer our money that does the talking.

as some have said earlier, we need to remember in this discussion that there are Democrats and there are democrats. In the Senate 16 democratic senators voted for the bill. In the House 41. MANY Democrats did the right thing and voted against it. We have weak leadership in Congress. I’m sorry, but I’ve become somewhat skeptical of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. I don’t know if they’re just not up to the job, or what. They’ve had six months to show better leadership. It would be different if fuckwad were still popular and the Republicans weren’t so corrupt and venal but, really, last week was just pitiful.

I’m sure I missed this in earlier threads – but does anyone have a link to how everyone voted on the FISA fiasco on Saturday?
Thank you!

in the House, none of our candidates (the ones we supported) voted in favor. the 41 Dems who did were the so-called “Blue Dogs” and most were from the South, although there was at least one from Pa, and one from Minn.