Given how easily the Administration stampeded Congress into its mind-numbing, Constitution-trashing vote to allow warrantless spying on even US residents (including citizens) on the say so of the least trustworthy Attorney General in my lifetime, one wonders why the Administration even went to the trouble of sending Secretaries Rice and Gates onto the talk shows. But there they were, continuing the White House's relentless and relentlessly misleading propaganda campaign to convince Congress and the public that General Petraeus' Iraq surge is, guess what . . . working and should continue.
Surely the White House knows by now that a disgusted public is helplessly resigned to the fact that Congressional Democrats still have too many frightened sheep -- about 41 in the House, 16 in the Senate -- to stand up to a President even, as David Brooks noted on NBC, the Republicans "hate." They also know that with enough Democratic sheep and Republican lemmings, they can take the country over any cliff they choose, and so they'll get whatever they want in September, and continue their catastrophic war on Iraq no matter how false and misleading the claims in Petraeus' report.
Still, you have to marvel at the orchestration and the sheer level of misdirection. Ken Pollock and Michael O'Hanlon continued their victory is possible lap on Fox News, proving that even if Glenn Greenwald exposes that you shamelessly misrepresent your record of bad advice and even worse predictions, you can still fool most of the media most of the time, and Fox News all of the time, as long as you support the President's war policies and exploit the media's penchant never to check the track record of the so-called "experts" they keep allowing on their shows. And with all of the right wing pundits and the Vice President pointing to their "expert" assessment, and the talking point du jour echoed by Gates, Rice and Petraeus, who can doubt that we are making progress in Iraq and should continue the present successful plan? Of course, it helps if when you define success, you count the things that don't matter and ignore the things and people that do.
So just for the sake of history -- not that it will matter in September -- but because future generations trying to understand how a once great nation experienced such a rapid and thorough moral disintegration and humiliation, it's worth pointing out a few facts just from the last week that went virtually unnoticed during the current propaganda binge:
- While US casualties were down in July compared to previous months, the level of violence against the Iraqi people has been rising. Attacks against and deaths went up for both Iraqi security forces and Iraqi civilians (up a third from the previous month). Apparently, the definition of "progress" is highly dependent on the nationality of the victims.
- The condition of such fundamental services as electricity and fresh water systems is on the verge of collapse. Clean water is an essential foundation of civilization, and it is now scarce in many areas; the electricity system is essentially non-functional -- down to about 2 hours a day -- which means that the ability to maintain essential services or acquire and maintain food without spoilage is endangered unless you're lucky enough to have private micro generators and can obtain scarce fuel without being killed.
- The most important "progress" that Petraeus, Gates, and Rice keep citing appears to have been achieved by buying off the Sunni militias who, while willing to help the Americans neutralize the Sunnis' al Qaeda rivals, are nevertheless dedicated to overthrowing the Shia-dominated, pro-Iranian central government. While Secretary Gates, appearing on CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, denied the US is directly providing arms to the Sunni militias, he concedes the US is providing money, which I'm sure the Sunnis can figure out can be used to buy arms.
- If you're wondering what the newly rich Sunni Sheiks are buying these days, according to a July 31 report of the US Government Accountability Office, the US military "cannot fully account for about 110,000 AK-47 assault rifles, 80,000 pistols, 135,000 items of body armour and 115,000 helmets reported as issued to Iraqi forces." About 30 percent of the weapons intended for the Iraq security forces over the last three years are AWOL. That's just the stuff provided courtesy of the US. I'm sure the Iranians and Saudis are equally helpful in stimulating private markets for arms. UPDATE: Almost forgot to mention the guy who was in charge of making sure this didn't happen: General David Petraeus.
- With increased fighting in Iraq cities, the number of refugees and displaced civilians is increasing; there are now several million Iraq refugees, creating a genuine and growing humanitarian crisis.
- The al-Maliki government, already angered by the American strategy of arming Sunni warlords, has been moving perilously close to collapsing for the last month, as members of its coalition abandon the central government.
Even those closest to the Iraqi prime minister, from his own party, admit the political situation is desperate.
"I feel there is no strategy, so the people become hopeless," said Faliy al Fayadh, an MP from the Dawa Party. "You can live without petrol, without electricity, but you can't live without hope."
Only an Administration mired in delusion and denial and oblivious to the human suffering it has inflicted on others would ignore these conditions while claiming the surge is bringing progress to Iraq. But with a Congress composed of unquestioning sheep and lemmings, and mindlessly centered only on American perspectives, it may not matter. If/when the Iraq adventure collapses, and the nation confronts the full horror we have created in Iraq, it may come as a complete surprise to those who lead this country.
Photo: AP Photo/Petr David Josek, US helicopter over Baghdad.
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the zed!
Good going, OC!
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Scarecrow!
Lindy @ 2
not bad, eh?
Many will say that the collapse of the Iraq govt. is progress.
I’d suggest siccing markfromireland on them, but it might be considered cruelty. To mfi.
“Making Progress” means that the cheeto-contingent get their puerile dreams validated by VD Hanson, Rich Lowry and all the rest of the apologists while we lose our freedom and civil liberties one piece at a time.
That kids, is “making progress” in the era of a shrubbery.
Oh, and BTW did anyone actually tell the NeoCons that the Shia and Sunni had something more than a blood feud going for centuries? Thought not. I guess that Good General Petraeus will come back and report that startling fact in a month or so. That too counts as “making progress”.
rwcole @ 6
many will say that the collapse of the US govt is in progress also….
OldCoastie @ 5
rwcole @ 6
That might not be the worst thing in the world. A more pro-American “MacArthur” type government might work quite a bit better.
Yes! Scarecrow. Great one. By the way how was it that the NYT op ed editors didn’t catch the misrepresentation of the pair before they published this crap. Shades of Judith Miller– (knowingly closing one’s eyes)?
We’re fixin ta have a giant pissing contest. The generals are gonna say that progress is being made and that we need to continue the surge—clusterfuck will pull out all the stops to get his glorius victory message across. He still has the Bully Pulpit and it will be VERY difficult to counter his bullshit.
Worth noting US casualties for this and previous Julys, to illustrate the kind of progress America’s making:
July 2007: 80
July 2006: 43
July 2005: 54
July 2004: 54
July 2003: 48
Deadliest July in Iraq for American troops so far.
Oh yeah, and the Saudi’s quietly funding the Sunni militias is “making progress” too. They get rid of their homegrown crazies in Anbar and other places and the ones that survive are better trained in urban combat against US and “allied” forces than anyone would expect.
Who says Darwin was wrong? He just understood “making progress”.
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Happy August 6th PDB day!
I want an independent investigation of 9/11 or at the very least I want to know what was redacted out of the 9/11 Commission report regarding the Saudis. I want to know how Bandar Bush really played this country.
I wish for something to come out that would make every Congressman and woman refuse to ever endorse a policy of this administration.
Now, I’m blowing out the candles.
Scarecrow… its seems there are many who have a vested interest in keeping this insanity going, specifically being bushco, the neocons, their mouthpieces in the msm, mercinaries on all sides (let’s not forget they are getting a nice paycheck for this), the contractors building now and future re-building and people who keep gobbling up the msm bushco premise that it was ever, for one split second, about helping anyone except themselves to the oil and perpetual war. Its the stupidest damn thing I’ve ever seen and its about time those in the Washington ego bubble, and their supporters, had their faces smushed in this pile of shitmire they created and enable everyday it goes on.
Thank you for all your good posts!!! Great to see!!
By all means let’s remember this one from January 2005 as well:
Prediction
By this time next year there will be a dictator in Iraq- Clusterfuck will argue that he’s a very democratic sort of dictator- but he’ll take over and do all the things Clusterfuck’s been screamin for by fiat. It will be announced as a “temporary” situation.
US oil companies will get fat contracts and we’ll defend the dictator from his own people.
Operation Enduring Segregation
http://www.kansascity.com/news.....17995.html
rwcole @ 17
Where is Saddam when you need him?
Scarecrow, thanks for your work!
OT - Jeebus - I’m away for six days, and Reid/Pelosi have tied up the Forth Amendment and sent it off for slaughter.
I’d rather be back in the forests..
rwcole @ 17
Isn’t that what is happening here? So what you’re saying is - we’ll have exported our “democracy” to Iraq?
hey, Kirk!
good to see ya’.
A commenter somewhere wrote that the Russians destroyed their own infrastructure in order to fight Napoleon; that France blew up its own bridges, etc., in order to fight the Nazi occupation — historically, that is what happens when countries are occupied…that is not AQ, it is resistance to occupation, and it is regress not progress. It will not stop until the occupation ends.
Twain @ 20
Indeed.
kirk murphy @ 21
they always do this when you leave town, you know.
thank you Scarecrow!
Continuation of the last thread…I just got through to DiFi through her San Diego office. An aide named Graham said he couldn’t say how many people had called on the FISA issues (due to “privacy” issues, how ironic). However, he wrote down my concerns and said the Senator would issue a press release within the next several days that explains her vote. He was not able to tell me where DiFi will be during recess, and doesn’t know if she’ll post her schedule.
Good afternoon folks, and good morning to the west-coasters who sleep in late. Just filling in a little today to give Christy a break — she and Jane were on several panels, (Christy also chaired the “hot topics” discussion with Digby and others in the great hall on Friday — and I caught a great panel with Siun on world poverty. The FDL women were everywhere — and doing FDL proud.
Excellent, Scarecrow — looks like YK2 served a lot of Wheaties!
One minor correction:
Caw. Caw. Banging Molly’s pots & pans.
Today’s Bush-Karzai presser, from AP:
Yes, we’re making progress. We also believe in NOT answering direct questions.
OC Democrat @ 27
I guess Graham would claim executive privilege, if pressed on the explanation of what is private about stating how many calls she has received. It’s all about Feinstein’s privacy. They obviously don’t care about ours.
scarecrow @ 29
They always do! And so do you… glad to have some extra Scarecrow today. *g*
LS @ 16
After everything that has come out about this administration I can’t imagine what it would take. If congress hasn’t seen enough by now, IMO they will never see.
Victory is possible. We had victory in the first 6 months after the Iraq War.
We are no longer in the Iraq War now. What we are now is something else. I wish the pundits and our politicians would name it what it really is - Occupation OR police action.
Once we define it properly, we can start to make progress. If we keep calling it a war, then we will not get anywhere at all.
We had victory in the first 6 months. Bush and his administration made a horrible decision by remaining in longer than we needed to. Their reason was (and I don’t support their rationale), they were interested in getting the oil profits for American corporations, instead of letting the wealth go to the Iraqis we just liberated.
I would say that this strategy isn’t the worst, and is aligned with how America has been conducting its military for like the past 50 years. But we basically took an existing half-century policy (that is, make money go to America), and gave it to a president and Administration who were crooks and idiots. Incompetency OR corruption, there is no other way to summarize The Bush Administration in these past 7 years.
Is there linkage for the world poverty panel Siun was on? I’d love to see it if anyone has a clue where I could find it.
Biodun @ 31
If you substituted “the US under the Bush Administration” for “Iran,” Bush’s statement makes perfect sense.
OC Democrat @ 28
No posting of the schedule means she’s getting bombarded. GOOD! I will continue to try to get through in SF.
tbsa @ 33
Obviously, someone there knows a lot or they would not have redacted so much of it regarding the financing of the attacks. That could just be too threatening somehow. They think we can’t handle the truth…the rest of them are just too busy wheeling and dealing…sigh.
This is “progress” too:
LS @ 24
And that’s just what Iraqi Dr. Maryam said about Iraq when she appeared on Siun’s post here a week or two ago.
TOP TEN SIGNS IRAQ IS BECOMING VIETNAM
I only disagree with you to this extent, scarecrow. I don’t think the government is even interested in the American perspective on the Iraq situation. The American perspective on Iraq is that it’s a mess that we should get out of as soon as possible, not escalating our involvement in.
Biodun @ 38
Then where the heck are they? Is it possible they are in Florida or Nebraska enjoying themselves?
Anybody wateCAHNomics @ 41
Right.
anangryoldbroad @ 36
I’ll check with siun (if she’s not here) to see if we can get more information. A lot of the panel was focused on the need to bring free public education to children in impoverished nations. See this site.
Bushco’s idea of progress appears to be two-pronged. Genocide serves to clear the way for oil business.
It would help if the people who own and represent our media weren’t so blissfully in the tank for Bush and the GOP.
From Iraq to the true state of our economy, they crank out baloney to us in the Great Unwashed. (Which is why their dismay over Rupert Murdoch’s buying up Dow Jones is so telling: They liked him just fine when he confined himself to the tabloids or his trash TV or to media outside of the US. But now that he owns the WSJ — and worse yet for the elites, Barron’s — they are howling like stuck pigs.)
Anybody watch W’s face this morning when someone questioned Karzai about pardoning the 14 year old suicide bomber? Whew.
OT-Has anyone seen Alfred?
NYT editorial on prosecutions for political purposes right here in the USA.
Meanwhile, we now have this big “bipartisan” tent on this one issue (and I think this is is “progress” too, in this divided nation of ours):
(I’ve been lake-less for the past 24 hrs, so I apologize if this ground has been covered.)
Did anyone else get the DCCC email today, looking for money to run an ad about “the New Direction for America that Democrats are charting for America”?
Galling, really, less than 48 hours after they killed our Constitution. A few, er, low-lights:
As I’ve said so many times in the past 6.5 years, it would be laughable if not so tragic.
FWIW, here’s what I replied to Van Hollen & the DCCC….
Congressman Van Hollen–
I think your use of phrase “The best defense is a strong offense” is beyond ironic, given that Congressional democrats showed absolutely NO STRENGTH AT ALL on this weekend’s vote for FISA.
To say I’m disappointed doesn’t even begin to describe my frustration with the democratic “leadership.” The Republicans, even in a minority position, continue to dictate legislation against the American people, and I can’t even begin to imagine what possible reason there might be that they’re continuing to get away with it.
Until I begin to see any hint of strength and leadership from the Democratic “leaders” in Congress, I’ll keep my money and spend it to support candidates who WILL bring about change. Especially those who will be in a position to replace current Democratic leaders.
Or until I begin to see some sign that the current Democratic members of Congress actually have some ability or even interest in doing what’s best for our country, and not George Bush and his friends.
With deep sadness & frustration,
Loo Hoo. @ 49
I’ve been wondering…..
What is his website again?
On to plane. My best to all firedogpups.
Democracy ain’t workin in Iraq- forget the surge- that’s not even an issue- it’s like pissin in the ocean to raise the tide- the biggest problem is Clusterfuck’s democracy- it’s worthless.
LS @ 48
Can’t look at bush’s face let alone hear his voice.
Would. Stroke. Out.
Biodun @40, I remember when the leading security minister was talking to some Pundit in America, and the pundit kept on sinking one liners about Pakistan dropping the ball, and every time the pundit did this, the minister gave him a look like ‘you have no fucking idea what you are talking about’
But of course, Pakistan isn’t a very democratic country. It’s tough to decide who’s bullshitting when nearly all of the information is held only by Pakistani or American intelligence agencies.
LS, can’t remember, and my computer crashed so I lost my bookmarks. Ravings of a Rational Mind?
OC Democrat @ 28
“explains her vote”: She might as well rehash a speech from the Roman Senate, explaining why it was a good idea to let the Emperor have his way. George Caesar Bush, that’s who we have. She can explain all she wants, but the Legislative Branch has sold the Republic, OUR Republic.
It was wonderful meeting you, egregious! Safe flight.
rwcole @ 18
I don’t think so, because if there were a potential dictator around, we’d know about it already & he’d be preparing to take over instantly, as the current (laughingly-referred-to-as) govt is about to fall.
My prediction:
U.S. will leave whenever we leave. Chaos will follow, but AQ will be slaughtered. The locals will take care of them ASAP. So no terrorism worries from Iraq.
Now, about the chaos, about all I can saw is, the longer stay,the worse the post-partum repression will be. If we’d left after 6 months, as someone above suggested, there would be less problems, as ethnic cleansing has now become a downward spiral. Staying can’t make it go away; staying aggravates it.
There is no solution to Iraq except getting out.
Loo Hoo. @ 58
My computer crashed completely last week too! Everything gone. Mr. LS had to replace the hard drive….Ravings..sounds right. I’ll go look.
Alfred
Twain @ 43
“They” are in the WH plotting the next attack on us whether it be by white powder, b*#b, airplane or by ripping up what is left of the Constitution.
tbsa @ 56
His eye(s), nose, mouth…pursed up so tight they disappeared into his head almost!!
Maybe Alfred’s on vacation.
Bush keeps talking of winning but has no idea what winning means. The only thing at stake is the president’s vanity. So long as we keep backing his losing hand, he doesn’t have to admit defeat. We’re pouring blood and treasure down a rat hole so that he can keep on smikring as he plays at being commander-in-chief.
We keep arming both sides and claiming we can’t leave because the ensuing civil war would be too lethal. Duh!!
Not only don’t these idiots know what they mean by “win,” but they don’t even know whom they are fighting or why. In a news release today, our #2 in Iraq, Odierno, said that 3/4 of the attacks that killed or wounded Americans were by the Shiites, which isn’t surprising now that we’ve thrown in with the Sunni insurgents. (WaPo/AP story by Kim Gamel) So any
claims of progress against the Sunni are irrelevant. We are now paying them and arming them. Of course, we’ll have “progress” in terms of fewer attacks in their areas. “You want success we’ll buy it for you. Whatever it takes.”
IMHO, we should turn on our noise machine and start ridiculing Petraeus’s report right now. We need to find the right name to call it, e.g., Petraeus’s light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel report, or his “hopeful-signs” report. All they want it to preserve Bush’s vanity to the end of his term. And Petraeus wants another star — he knew ahead of time that this wouldn’t work, and said so. http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....012771.php
Liberty Lee, why don’t you just name it:
You’re talking about dumping the purple-fingered ecstasy of yore, for some strongman like Chalabi or Allawi. (did you know they’re cousins? :o))
OR: are you in favor of dispensing with sockpuppets altogether, and of cutting (in reverse) straight to the chase, with another Bremer-type pro-consul, only this one, in camo?
Because, I gotta tell you, George Bush will have one fuck of a time running THAT, with all it’s implications for point-of-a-JDAM “freedom and democracy”, past the american people as: “progress”.
Plus, I can guarantee you, that if the parliament is dissolved, even “voluntarily”, and george bush fills the vacuum with some bloody-handed exile whose main attraction is that he’s guaranteed to be user-friendly to the petro-borgs and big oil, as Drift calls them, it will mean that Gordon Brown will instantly have to make a decision as to whether or not he is willing to irrevocably stick his head into the poodle-leash noose just vacated by Tony Blair. And if he’s not willing to slather his entire Prime Minister tour with george bush’s feces, then it will mean that our troops will very soon, have to be used to deal with the militia and warlords who are taking over Basra, as we speak.
Oh. Somehow, I doubt that the end of even the vestigial “democracy” that we see hiding out in the green zone, will mean a reduction in the violence.
What scarecrow (thanks again for an informative post) is documenting here (continuously documenting, it seems) is very hard for amurkans to actually understand, that we are subjected to the most professional and omni-directional propaganda campaign ever seen. One can argue about the degree of coordination at the top, but the effect seems, to me, to be undeniable.
The lies and misdirections are almost too overwhelming to be discerned, and are so legion they almost cannot be attacked. The only antidote from this perspective is indeed here on the web. It is so sad that the majority of the Dems are part and parcel of it, and the progressive community have so few tools with which to attack the lies.
Having been in Europe over five years now, where at a distance the propaganda is plain as day, i can’t imagine how one can cope, and try to break through the web of deceit. But it must be done.
And we’re also making frank and serious “progress” on the, er, diplomatic front:
wigwam — So much for al Qaeda being the main threat, but I guess that argument only applies in the even weeks of the month.
Tanbark @ 68
The original error was that the military was NOT in charge of the occupation a la Japan or Germany. That’s what the tribes knew to expect. Now, I expect one would see the form of their Constitution observed with a Chalabi /Kurdish with Sunni Face. British forces are vestigial in any event. It would help if they remained but it is not essential if Gordon Brown’s re-election were endangered. I suspect that with a complete committment to the now-successful reconstruction effort would give the bottom up appearance to establish order for enough years for the system to develop. People forget that it took the Articles of Confedration 1
60 Minutes had a report from last year on regarding the Kurdish region. At least at that time, there were only 79 US troops in that area, and there had been zero killed.
Duh. I wonder why?
In today’s NYT, Paul Krugman says that George Bush is “deeply dishonest” - which for Krugman is like shouting. He is so correct.
72-continued Articles of Confederation 13 years to form a strong Central Government and the Constitution.
wigwam @ 67
Absolutely spot-on, wigwam. They all keep talking as if were a football game - all the ‘winning’ and ‘victory’ gibberish without the faintest clue of what’s actually happening.
I guess most of the other PB bloggers are too hung over from their frolic at Daily KOS to be posting on this outrageous take-away of Democracy with the FISA bills.
This is the first post on this subject I’ve found in any major PB sites this morning…the lead story at HuffPo is that Gulianni’s daughter is voting for Obama…
While I find that terrific, I wonder why so many of the major PB sites have so little on this horrifying capitulation by the Dems…
i think the two family system, bush and clinton, is a great idea!
what freedom or right can we give away today?
LibertyLee @ 74
Why did the US invade Iraq?
And then there’s this matter of “progressive” disintegration:
LibertyLee @ 75
The difference is that the people did not have a foreign military forcing a form of government on them.
eCAHN’s right. Just leave. While there is still an option for how and when.
If the government implodes, or if bush, Saigon-like, engineers a coup by some strongman, whose side will he be on?
Will he be a Sunni?
Watch that 60% Shiite population, react to THAT.
If he’s a Shiite, then there won’t be anymore ratting out, or hunting down of, Al Queada by the Sunnis. They’ll want every AK-47 and streetbomber they can find.
Bush is trapped. I mean balls-in-a-bench-vise trapped.
A coup of any kind, equals no more bullshit about progress or “doable”. All that will come to a screeching halt, and along with it, the participation of the Brits, in trying to cover bush and the GOP’s asses.
I’ll go you one better. I’ve got steak dinner that says that Brown has already said this to bush:
“The parliament collapses, either of it’s own weight, or if you engineer it, and we will be on the road to Kuwait so fast it will make your head swim.”
And right here, is there anyone who thinks that if/when the Brits bail, it won’t jack the pressure on bush and the repubs, to the point of unbearable?
Give Richardson this; he’s politically savvy, and nervy, to be offering the two word solution:
“Out. Now.”
Time is on his side. I like Edwards, but maybe we need to take a closer look at Richardson.
LS @ 16
It’ll never happen. You and I both know what happened to the WTC, and as little people, no one in this wonderful administration is going to tell us the truth. Want to purssue it, they’ll call you a crazy. It is a conspiracy “theory.” Actually, it’s just a conspiracy, but no one in America wants to hear that. And by this time next year, it won’t matter, because the King will take off the gloves, and we’ll all wake up and find that we haven’t lived in a democracy for quite some time now. See ya in the camps.
Way OT from a very interesting post that I will now go back to reading:
Ed S. was saying on the radio this morning that no questions wrt impeachment views were posed to the prez candidates at YK. Is this accurate?
I’ve been ‘unconnected’ mostly of late due to family obligations and am slowly catching up. Plz forgive if this has already been addressed.
Don Davis @ 41
THE TOP TEN DIFFERENCES BETWEEN VIETNAM AND IRAQ-By Don Davis
10. Vietnam: Battle between communists and corrupt dictatorship. Iraq: Battle between the 6th and 7th Centuries.
9. Guerilla tactics in both are a given — but at least in ‘Nam, our boys got to sleep with the local women.
8. Vietnam: Our troops had continuous access to dope. Iraq: only when Rumsfeld pays a visit.
7. Vietnam: Enemy tries to kill and maim us. Iraq: Enemy also flagellates themselves.
6. Vietnam: Huge anti-war rallies. Iraq: Cindy Sheehan in a pup tent.
5. Vietnam: “Best and the Brightest” rely on Domino Theory. Iraq: Neo-Cons rely on Fats Domino theory.
4. Vietnam: Jane Fonda on enemy tank. Iraq: Jane Fonda on Jesus’s flank.
3. Vietnam: McCain tortured by Reds. Iraq: McCain tortures the Blues.
2. Vietnam: SecDef with wire-rimmed glasses knew adventure was major fuck-up. Iraq: SecDef with wire-rimmed glasses is the major fuck-up.
1. Vietnam: Hard to tell which side Vietnamese civilians on. Iraq: Hard to tell which side we’re on.”
Another point lost in this embarrassment of empire is the fact the US is arguably spending 3/4 of a trillion dollars a year on its war machine 600 billion on defense/70 billion on intel/100 plus on occupational hazards, while China, next in line on spending is around 50 billion..
Aside from the moral madness this is economic suicide.
You know, I am only barely keeping tabs on Iraq Debacle any longer. The facts don’t matter. The Dems will do nothing, Bush will do what he wants (and the Dems will go along).
Hell’s bells, support for the “splurge” is up according to a rawstory article. A slight majority think it is doing some good now.
Do you honestly think that Rahm Emmanuel, Pelosi, DiFi, etc, are going to stand up for right and get us out? They wont.
Do I sound somewhat despondent? I am. I am getting to the point of not giving a f*ck and just hunkering down to take care of myself and mine. Ammo, provisions for growing my own food, ensuring access to my own water, etc, because I fully expect that besides social collapse, we are facing full-on economic collapse too. The government is 100% broken. Something that broken CANNOT be fixed, only swept out of the way and dumped in the trash.
Eureka Springs @ 82
Russia learned that the hard way.
Richardson’s my pick at the moment.
And there’s “progress” defined by ex-academic Robert Gates:
My bold.
LibertyLee @ 71
How do you define “successful”? Is it rebuilding and securing all those pipe lines? Is it ensuring that all the generating stations are working 24 hours a day? Is it maybe the constant and clean water supply? Is it maybe the….. oh what the hell I know what it is it is the perfectly safe green zone. Liberty Lee if you are interested I have bridge to nowhere to sell you
With gutless unprincipled scum both as ‘leaders’ (Har! Har!) and peons in the Democratic Congress what is the point of all the sense one reads in the blogsphere? All it does is vent frustration, I suppose.
Can these gutless fools not see that nailing Bush, one baby step at a time, is all that will stop the lunatic Occupation with its potentially lethal drain on our economy.
It has gone so far that three separate communities is now the only solution for Iraq, and Turkey is the only country with the strength and experience to carry that out.
But I do not expect too many here in this new and demonstrably ludicrously inexperienced country to understand the significance of old knowledge. It worked for hundred of years and a couple of seriously and actually knowledgeable Near/Middle East hands confirmed that in their advice in 1919 and 1927, TE Lawrence and Sir Arnold Wilson.
Listen folks,
The study of insugencies, especially when they’re occupations, is that they’re rarely won unless the occupier uses total warfare, meaning the whole population is the target of either outright killings or very severely restricted living conditions. Boer war, when territory was drawn into concentration camps, is such an example. But that doesn’t always work either-that’s what the Soviets tried in Afghanistan. Partial measures along those lines (blast barriers around Baghdad neighborhoods; during VN they herded SVN peasants into “secure” villages) almost never work.
U.S. doesn’t have guts (thank goodness) for that kind of war, so winning is out of the question.