Reading through the Harry Potter books, the one thing that’s really irritated me throughout about what’s an otherwise-excellent series is that while the members of other Houses are allowed to be fully-realized human beings, those of Slytherin House are pretty much allowed only to be evil — or, if not out-and-out evil, cowardly. Even the “good Slytherins” are pretty scummy, one-dimensional caricatures ninety percent of the time — to the point where, every so often, I feel like grabbing J.K. Rowling by the shoulders and screaming “Come on, woman! If the Slytherins are so utterly evil, then why do the other witches and wizards allow them to live? They can’t all be unremittingly evil! They can’t all be cowardly, backstabbing creeps! They can’t all march in precise lockstep to whatever stupidly evil plan their leaders concoct! No group of people is that uniformly obnoxious in real life!”
But then I remembered: Oh yes, there is.
As upset as we may be with the way so many Democrats in Congress betrayed us last week with the FISA vote, we have to remember that their betrayal wouldn’t have been effective if it wasn’t for the lockstep partisanship — oh, forgive me, it’s “party unity” when they do it — of their Republican counterparts.
Oh, yes, the Republicans have a few “mavericks” like Specter and McCain and Hagel, a few “good Slytherins” that will occasionally say the right thing and even vote for something that they pretend is the right thing but really isn’t. But when it comes to doing the right thing, when it actually counts, they’re nowhere to be found — and they hate it when they’re forced into a situation where they must either vote for the right thing or reveal themselves to be lockstep followers of whatever foulnesses their party leadership dictate to them. (For the record: “Maverick” Hagel votes with the GOP party position nearly 80% of the time, Specter nearly 70% of the time, and McCain nearly 90% of the time. And yes, they all voted for S. 1927, the FISA bill. And remember, these guys are considered “mavericks”.)
Meanwhile, I don’t think the Democrats as a group could ever be accused of blindly following en masse in lockstep behind anyone. (Some people apparently see this as a fault, and see us in the netroots as fickle people who dump our party at the first vote we don’t like; most of us, not so much.)
This is not to say that we must be complacent about the Democrats. Oh, no, far from it: I am in whole-hearted agreement with Christy’s idea for the “You Work For Us Summer Tour“. (In fact, might I suggest that you use this list of Congressional phone and fax numbers compiled by a conservative group — nice of them to do the legwork for us, eh? — and fax Christy’s post to those Democrats that voted for the FISA deform?) But it’s worth pointing out that while a lot of the Democrats in office need their butts kicked, we’ve already done a good job in getting new and better ones in office — and are poised to do even better for next year. There’s a lot more hope for them than for the Slytherins — er, Republicans.
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Zed
I’ll warm up the machine. Fisa deform, I rather like that.
Lets make Gandhi and MLK proud!
and Jefferson and Lincoln.
dead last @ 4
Thomas Jefferson said that we had not only the right to criticize our gov’t but the duty, even to the point of overthrowing it.
OK, so how do I get over the anger and the betrayal that I feel when MY Dem senator Jim Webb, the one whom I gave money to, worked for, and voted for–voted for FISA?
I need to get over my anger at DiFi – it’s not like she’s ever at electoral risk, and she rolled over like a collie at the dog show…
Grrrr.
Harry potter is not an excellent series. It is just a blatant rip off on Star Wars.
Check this out:http://www.fantent.com/cpg/dis…..fullsize=1
The worst problem Democrats have is that they overthink things. That is why the Republicans are always one step ahead of us, they don’t even bother to think anymore. Those extra minutes make all the difference.
Exactly right, we’ve helped elect “new and better ones” –and next time the best: Darcy Burner.
Especially if that person is trying to uphold the Constitution.
Susan @ 6
I recommend a face-to-face meeting with the Senator, or with his staffer. It’s good for what ails ya.
Susan @ 6
All the more reason he should hear from you in person, imo.
Mutant Poodle @ 7
Mike McConnell threw stardust in her eyes, maybe an alQ plot to bomb Coit Tower, run off O’Reilly’s show through a voice digitizer?
TeddySanFran @ 12
Actually,when I emailed him, I said I would be calling his office for an appointment. I need to cool down a bit, though. This has really made me mad
not clear on legal concepts but want to know… can this fisa amrndment be repealed? or is it permanent?? and will dems do anything to try?
The Republicans are worse than the Slytherins
Mutant Poodle @ 7
I’d sure like to see her at risk. She has never stood for the American people. She and her husband have so much money, billions, that she has lost what little regard she did have for democracy. DiFi is a member of the ruling class, has always been a conservative. She was a terrible mayor for San Francisco, way out of step with the majority, never saw a development she disapproved of.
Olympia Snowe only voted party line 63.2% of the time – I think that’s about as “good” as a gooper gets these days.
BTW: I hate Disney because they all their children’s stories have only pure-good good guys and pure-bad bad guys.
They utterly destroyed the A. A. Milne stories. A new circle of Hell has been created for them.
Jim C @ 8
The GOOD Star Wars were rip offs of spaghetti westerns. The other 3 were rip offs of the Duluth area phone book.
GordonM @ 19
That means spending eternity on the “It’s a small world” ride.
Keith Olbermann on FISA now. Mentions that the candidates are in Chicago “after facing bloggers.”
Good coverage of the debate.
Good Slytherins–
I think in one of the early Potter books, there was a hint that Potter himself had some Slytherin ancestry. Maybe it was connected with the scar from He Who Must Not Be Named, which meant that HWMNBN was part of Harry himself.
Can there be any yin without yang, or vv.? Probably not, but Rowling probably found it useful to have the Slytherins as a foil.
One thing to note here is how the Republican policies of one generation become the Democratic policies of the next. For example, a generation ago, it was the Republicans who cared the most for balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility. Now they’ve abandoned that meme, and Democrats have picked it up. What goes around, comes around.
I’ve been in Hawaii long enough to see what happens when one-party control gets entrenched. We may have a veto-proof majority in the legislature, but does that mean we can get a Clean Elections (Public Funding) bill through the Legislature, even with the backing of a Democratic Party Resolution? No. What happens here is that the real decisions get made in Party Caucus meetings, which are closed to the public. So we can’t tell who voted for what.
I can actually forsee that in 10 years, the (reformed) Republicans might become party protecting the Constitution against the excesses of the Democrats, and if that happens, I’ll probably switch parties. Nothing is forever.
Bob in HI
GordonM @ 19
But you can always go back to the original “Winnie the Pooh” and “The House at Pooh Corner,” wonderful read aloud books.
bypass Disney and go to the real thing.
juslin @ 16
Yes, it can be repealed, and a new one can be passed with judicial oversight. I gather that Pelosi is asking for this, but you decide whether you want to trust her.
I raised a question in a previous thread about whether the amnesty for past violations can be repealed. Doing so might be an ex post facto law, which means basically a retroactive act that would make criminal something that is not criminal at this time.
Possibly the only person covered by this amnesty is the President. If so, there is a question about whether this is a bill of attainder, namely a bill aimed at only one person, or a very small group of people.
Elliott @ 24
Still got ‘em in case one of my 2 pups comes up with kids.
Bob Schacht @ 23
In ten years you may not have a choice. Dictators seldom allow a two-party system.
GordonM @ 26
Hope so!
The real problem with Disney is that the corporation managed to get a republican congress to repeal the whole idea of copyright which is protection for a limited time, after which it goes into the public domain. No more public domain. (Couldn’t let Mickey slip into just anyone’s hands.)
Marretta @ 9
i have a hard time seeing how the democrats over thought their strategy for dealing with fisa.
Permanent Republican Majority = Thousand Year Reich.
Which, by the way, lasted 12 years….
except when the Lobby-on-trial-for-espionage has a special request, like the recent sense of the Senate, war on Iran bill unanimously passed.
then they follow en masse in lockstep.
Folks, I know it’s been a really rough couple of days. And I also know that there are a lot of folks that are ready to a) throw in the towel, b) charge the Democratic leadership with complicity, cowardice, or incompetance(or all three), c) pick your own poison.
And I was thinking a bit ago, because my head hurt a lot and it’s damn hot and humid here, that I felt the problem really is that for the past ten years or so, that the Democrats in Congress really have been beaten up so much by the GOP and have allowed the control and direction of the message to be dictated by those guys, that they’ve really been reduced to crouching on the floor with their hands over their heads whining, “please don’t hurt me”. This is not to excuse what has happened, but it certainly answers the whole Chris Dodd “this is how it happened” thing. The way the GOP has controlled this situation is that they’ve had some amazingly nasty guys like Delay who not only could beat up the competition, they could beat up and control their own and make them toe the line and vote as a block. Which is why, even as a minority party, they have been so effective. Delay may be gone, but the mind and money control keep going on. Being shamed by scandal and sex and goodness only knows what else is not enough to move these guys off their position because they know the power of the “big lie”. As long as they hang together and keep on mouthing the big lie, THAT becomes the message. They continue to dictate the message.
It’s time for all of us who despise this corrupt and lying behavior, who wish to try to save the US Constitution and frankly, our way of life, need to stop fighting amongst ourselves about our little individual positions and line up to fight. We need to find those things we agree on and just put the rest of the commentary behind us because unless we do that and stop fighting amongst ourselves, the GOP is going to win. They don’t even have to try very hard. We need to get Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the other leaders gathered up and figure out what basic messages and go with it. We can fight for the next item later.
And in the meantime, I’d like to point anyone to their own personal copy of “The Wizard of Oz”, to my favorite political stump speech of all time, courtesy of Mr. Bert Lahr:
What makes a King out of a slave? Courage! What makes the flag on the mast to wave? Courage! What makes the elephant charge his tusk in the misty mist, or the dusky dusk? What makes the muskrat guard his musk? Courage! What makes the Sphinx the Seventh Wonder? Courage! What makes the dawn come up like thunder? Courage! What makes the Hottentot so hot? What puts the ape in ape-ricot? What have they got that I ain’t got?”
Well, Bert…I think we need to get a handle on that…
Out, damned spot!
Republicans and all those independents who support them are a damned spot in our political system.
bigmitch@25
thanx for that – understand we have to try and catch repug oops bad guys but as was said a long while ago – good policing gets the job done – no need to shred whats left of this “democracy”
Susan @ 6
Let him know what you wrote here– and specifically, what parts of the new FISA Law upset you the most. And I’d let him know that by bowing so quickly and easily to Republican pressure, he looks weak, not strong.
Just my 2 cents.
Bob in HI
selise @ 30
Most of their thinking went into how to pass it without taking responsibility for their votes.
Toby Wollin @ 33
I really enjoyed this comment. Thanks
selise @ 30 – LOL!
Toby @ 33 – Good point. Might almost call it Stockholm syndrome. It’s also difficult, if you have any principles, to counter someone who is all message all the time. Lakoff (& the other “framing” guy who was interviewed here) talk about it at kind of a theoretical level. We need someone who can do the training.
Olberman on the ‘FISA surprise’ featuring 57 Democrats. In moments after ..this moment.
KO!!!!
I echo what Toby Wollin says. It’s difficult for Democrats to have a unified voice, but we must turn that voice not against the Democrats, and not because they don’t deserve it, but against the Republicans who single handedly have trashed our beloved Constitution.
albert fall @ 31
It ain’t over yet. It may sound cynical but winning is everything in ‘08. Any and all policy disputes are secondary to regaining control of the machinery of Government.
Bob Schacht @ 23
That will be right after the “Flapping your arms and flying to the moon” amendment is passed
How Dems “over-thought” FISA.
1. They are informed that a new law is needed.
2. They work with Admiral McConnel to craft one.
3. They have the votes. –They should pass it.
4. President Bush says, “No, no, this will never do.”
5. Here’s where the over-thinking begins. Dems: “Oh my what to do?”
6. Should have said, “Fuck that. We got a bill.” Instead, “how can we change it, what if they call us wussies, Oh my, tsk, tsk. We better get the KY.
7. More thinking: I got an idea! Let’s pass it and then say, we were against it before we were for it. Then we can un-pass it, go back to go, get reamed, and while we are at it, let’s give Fuckwad amnesty.
If they had passed the original bill, Bush would not have vetoed it. He’s a bully, but he’s also a bluff.
Toby Wollin @ 33
Complicity and cowardice work for me to describe the Democrats. As for standing up to fight Republicans, that’s more difficult when you have to look behind you all the time to make sure Pelosi and Reid aren’t rying to stab you in the back, again.
Susan; I wrote to Webb over the weekend and told him how betrayed I felt, too. I had someone else read it before hitting send to make sure it wasn’t too over the top. I hit the bricks, donated money, shook that guys hand 3 times and recruited numerous family members to go out and volunteer for him so he could go and vote like George Allen?
CQ link
Chris Hedges thinks Iraq will not go well.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/080607D.shtml
This guy is believable. He wrote Christian Fascists
AZ Matt @ 48
Isn’t the horse all ready out of that barn?
BigMitch @ 45
8. While we’re at it, let’s undercut one of the principal grounds for impeachment and eviscerate the entire body of work done to expose and expunge the cancer in Justice.
AZ Matt @ 48
“making it difficult for House Democrats to fight” – why? That’s what they are there to do and this really makes me angry. I not only expect them to fight for the Constitution and our country, I demand it.
AZ Matt @ 48
Do you know how angry this makes me?
The Dems do not listen to their constituents or the American people as a whole.
Elliott @ 50
Well, I guess you could tell Pelosi to do nothing to change it but I would rather see it changed. Yes, better if it hadn’t gotten out in the first place.
AZ Matt @ 55
I take your point.
A little OT, but then the FISA business is really the T today. This snippet from a commenter at Smirking Chimp:
Actually thinking that’s pretty cool.
jc inOR @ 51
Ding Ding Ding
Mutant Poodle @ 7
Someone once described Di-Fi as ‘Nixon in a wig’
like it?
Is DailyKos down? I’m getting an error.
Everything I have seen or read about Jim Webb tells me that he isn’t someone who can be bought. He does have a weakness, though, he actually cares about the people he represents. I’m holding onto the belief that they managed to offer evidence of a threat he felt he had to take seriously and buying into the line that they can fix things when they come back in September. Some of the others just caved because they were terrified of being called terrorist sympathizers if a terrorist attack actually occurs in August or September. Some may have caved because Cheney has dirt on them. Obviously some reasons for caving are better than others. I’m not trying to excuse what they did, just to understand it better.
Rayne @ 60
Apparently so. Me, too.
AZ Matt @ 48
Stop. You’re killing me here. Those Democrats! What a wacky sense of humor!
Elliott @ 28
Heh heh. R E V E N G E.
barbara @ 62
Works fine for me.
Mutant Poodle @ 7
Yep. Me too in Sacto. Only, I’n not getting over her. She’s heard from me, and she’s gonna hear MORE from me. Wish we could recall Senators.
AND Rep’s . . ;-)
Harumph.
Thanks, twolf1, means I’m likely in need of a cache purge.
Hugh, If you don’t like the Lion’s speech on courage, I’ve got to point you to Sean Connery’s speech from The Untouchables where he says to Kevin Costner, “What are YOU prepared to do?”(insert your own dying gurgles and coughing here) To paraphrase a rather nasty guy talking about the war in Iraq…you fight with the Democrats you HAVE, not the Democrats you wish you had. Right now, today, Pelosi and Reid and all the rest are what we have to fight with. The days of moderate Republicans is long gone. I think the last one was Leahy and he crossed over. We can’t wait until the next election to see if we can get a better deal. We have to work with the “cards” we have in our hand today. This is messy and nasty. But we are fighting against people who have no soul, no shame, no sense of moderation or frankly, moral fiber. Some of these folks would sell their grandmothers for their teeth if they thought it would get them ahead. It does NOT mean that we have to get down in the ditch and slug it out with them, but it does mean that we have to stop picking away at one another for minor differences or because this one doesn’t mouth the right magic words that I personally want to hear. The fight is here, with the GOP. We must stop them and hold them here. And that means that perhaps things are not going to go smooth and perhaps we will have to rub up against one another and swallow some bitterness in order to line up and fight them. But fight them we must. Period.
Marretta @ 61
So, we, the American people are supposed to trust him because he is from the government and because we can’t handle the truth? Doesn’t work for me.
barbara @ 62
No problem here.
Bob Schacht @ 36
Bob, are you writing to Inouye? I sure am!!!
Also, the DCCC and DSCC must be smoking some good stuff: I got e-mails from BOTH soliciting my support.
Boy, did each get an “earful.” [You do have to dig around somewhat to “reply” to their e-mail. They make it difficult.]
Mutant Poodle @ 7
Shoulda inlcuded this last post.
Why Sci-Fi Played Wussy Doggie
Hugh @ 63
Well, we have a choice, we do nothing or we do something to get this law changed. There is 6 months to get the Dems in Congress lined up on this.
So, for the folks who are rightly upset with your congresscritters and the leadership keep up the pressure.
If you think that nothing will come of this and don’t want to fight then stay out of the way of those who do.
Not picking on you Hugh but this is the result of other comments made about the CQ story. No one said change would easy. THe Repubs have had 6 years to f*ck up the system and it is not a fast fix. I wish that it was.
If there is an attack, Bush loses. If there is not an attack, Chertoff’s gut was a bad bout of indigestion, Bush loses.
Either way, unless the FISA is fixed for the good, we lose.
We will not ultimately lose.
Dru @ 47
You did demand your money back right?
Toby Wollin @ 33
sigh. a well thought out, passionate post.
but Arthur Silbur has a new post up that gives paus as to whether the Democrats are ‘us.’
http://powerofnarrative.blogsp…..s-and.html
dailykos fine here too
mauimom @ 71
I got one of the DSCC emails today. I immediately scolled to the bottom hoping to see one of those “To stop receiving these emails…” but there wasn’t one. How do I make them stop? I am not a Democrap anymore and I never ever will give them so much as a penny ever again.
barbara @ 62
Billo?
What the Democrats accomplished with the FISA votes.
1. The way they handled the votes shows just how underhanded they can be.
2. They appeared incredibly weak and disorganized while doing it.
3. The content of the law guts the already dubious FISA.
4. They managed to alienate a fair number of progressives.
5. They eviscerated the investigations into Abu’s lies about wiretapping and effectively took any impeachment against him off the table.
6. They gave the Administration a green light to try the same “go for broke” strategy in September with Iraq.
Who says the Democrats can’t multi-task?
“Pelosi Seeks to Change FISA Bill
By Tim Starks, CQ Staff
Despite the win President Bush scored on legislation expanding the administration’s eavesdropping authority, Democrats appear determined to make it a temporary victory.”
Can someone please explain to me the point of passing demonstrably bad legislation if you’re planning to come back a month later and replace it with something ostensibly not as bad?
Were they just afraid of losing their month-long vacation, or what?
Marretta @ 61
But in the BEST possible light, let’s assume that Webb and some of the other “security Dems” were “clued in” by the CIA or whoever about the Big Bad Threats that had been uncovered using the Super Secret & Highly Illegal eavesdropping methods that so badly needed to be okayed by the FISA bill.
Are you really going to believe the “threats” described by the folks who’ve lied to us for the last 5-1/2 years? Do the Dems all still believe in the Tooth Fairy?
Even that Looney Tune Reagan had the sense to “trust but verify.” Where’s that “verify” part, Dems?
larue @ 71
bad link
Jim Webb won me over with his essay about wealth distribution. I ignored his sexist remarks and some of his dubious history. I decided that this was a man who cared about people. Tell me, has he done anything to bring about any change in that regard?
I don’t understand how congress or the president or even the supreme court can overturn the FOURTH AMENDMENT. Doesnt’ that take ratification from 2/3s of the states (see the ERA amendment).
I have the Flu today and am soooo sick. Nausia, headache, dizzy. One commenter P in LA actually made me vomit. 6 months not so bad? 6 MINUTES is too long! Betrayal is betrayal. Wrong is wrong.
dems afraid to be tarred with giving in to terrorists brush – as if dems wouldn’t do anything to protect the US…
Toby Wollin @ 68
Are you talking about the Democrats or the Republicans here? I must admit it’s getting harder to tell the difference.
solai @ 82
Apparently he doesn’t care enough about people to provide them with a Constitution.
eCAHNomics @ 85
Bingo!!
solai @ 81
His response to the State of the Union address was one of the most masterful pieces of oratory, I have ever seen.
neurophius @ 81
This is so craven, so unaccountable, so depressing, I don’t even want to try and figure it out at this point. I feel whipped.
Solai, I read that essay of Webb’s also. Excellent.
Webb essay on classism
Has Sen. Webb put out any kind of explanation about his vote to gut FISA?
Toby Wollin @ 33
Thank you, Toby. As a person sliding into group (a), I needed the pep talk. I think you’re right. The Dems have been terrorized by the thugs ever since Reagan mugged Mondale in ‘84 over the tax thing. The Clintons came out of Arkansas, where they had to compromise with the old South power elite, and were treated like shit by the power elite in DC when they arrived in ‘93. Clinton tried to buy them off with NAFTA in the spring of that year, and it bought him bupkus. That lesson should have been learned by the Democrats. But they’re still ‘waiting for the perfect man’. If he or she is a rethug, it doesn’t exist.
Does anyone really think that if there is an attack on Teh Homeland between now and September, Bush will be blamed? He’s left our ports wide open, ignored most 911 Commission recommendations, and neglected to screen air cargo. He’s left chemical and nuclear plants incredibly exposed to terrorism, done nothing to prepare us for a bio-attack, and left our rail system exposed.
Yet, having rolled over once more for this sorry excuse for a Protector and a Leader, Beltway Democrats will be blamed for not giving him enough fascist tools to spy on Americans, open our mail, or peek into our computers. Mark my words: if there is a terror attack and our countrymen die, Democrats will be blamed and Dear Leader, our strong daddy, will be given newer and more Orwellian powers.
Hugh, the enemy is the GOP. Period.
That’s funny, that’s cute! Pelosi want’s a “do over”. Heh Heh Heh. Good one, Pelosi. Now, I’m waiting for Reid to say something similar, like “Wait! you mead the bill was “for real? No fair!”
I didn’t say anything about blind trust. I think there might be a place where someone like Webb could think that voting for this bill is a lesser of two evils. Of course Cheney could be blackmailing him. I just don’t think he sold out for power or money. That is my instinct on it. It’s perfectly okay if you don’t agree.
TSF @ 93
If there’s an attack on the U.S., not only will the Rs blame it on the Ds,they’ll be the first at the microphone begging forgiveness.
Dru @ 47
And if he hadn’t won, Arlen Specter would be Chair of the SJC. Webb is what he is; unlike DiFi who tries to play it both ways.
The argument that there was an impending attack does not justify the latest FISA debacle. Does the administration need this law to stop something that will happen in a week or a month? This means that they have been unprepared for the last six plus years and just realized it (yea right). None of the last week’s melodrama driven bullshit makes any kind of sense.
Seems some progressive types are upset with the Democrats.
Marretta @ 61
That’s my take, too. But it doesn’t hurt to call him to say how dismayed we all are. He’s an honest guy, but honest guys get conned all the time.
TeddySanFran @ 95
Let’s hope not. Not to mention Congress seems reluctant to reign in Chimpy’s war on Terra by putting Iran on the no, no (no invade) list.
eCAHNomics @ 79
Oh, lord, spray ‘em down with Mr. Clean!
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/8/4/191412/6680
link to Webb’s statement
and I don’t understand why this:
“Webb is what he is; unlike DiFi who tries to play it both ways.”
Musta been the Mr. Clean. Kos okay now. Whew!
Steve-AR @ 100
DiFi gave such an amazing impassioned speech during the congressional “sleepover.” Are there two DiFi’s? Does she have a split personality? It doesn’t add up. I know she’s done wrong before and I’ve seen her on the floor palling with HoJoe, but this . . .
Will the last Democrat left, turn out the lights.
BigMitch @ 89
So? And that means what exactly? That he gets a free pass forevermore? That he is now free to spit on the Constitution and YOUR rights?
I don’t care what he has done or said in the past. This one vote blew it all into shit.
twolf1 @ 65
Works fine for me, too.
Bob in HI
Qs I’d love to see the WH press corps ask W (or even Snowman):
Why are you complaining about the Iranians arming the Iraqi insurgents, when the United States is their biggest weapons supplier? Shouldn’t we cut off our own supplies to them before requiring others to do so?
Knut Wicksell @ 103
Keith Olbermann’s guest tonight seemed to think Congress was probably conned with “top secret info”.
AZ Matt @ 73
It is important to remember that it wasn’t just the Republicans who f*cked up the system over the last 6 years. It was the Democrats who stood by and did nothing. Now the Democrats have begun to do something. Unfortunately, so far it has been to enable the Republicans in continuing their disastrous policies.
The Democrats didn’t draw the line with the Iraqi supplemental. They kicked it down the road to September. They didn’t draw the line with FISA. They kicked into February of next year.
Few of us here have had any qualms for calling Lieberman out for the sanctimonious hypocrite that he is. Why should it be any different for Pelosi and Reid when they act the same way?
I am getting really tired of waiting for the Democrats to do anything serious to curb the excesses of the Bush Administration. No doubt they are already working on a nifty plan on how to oppose Bush and the Republicans, which they will be ready to unveil on January 20, 2009 or shortly thereafter.
Toby Wollin @ 95
No, the enemy is anyone and EVERYONE who undermines, or worse, IGNORES the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Party is irrelevant. The Constitution is EVERYTHING.
marymccurnin @ 101
As far as we know they weren’t using these techniques in ‘01 and yet the president was warned far in advance..
Unless Dems are willing to stand up and call the big lie for exactly what it is… we have to replace nearly all of them. Silence from congresscritters is complicity of the highest crime, imo.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 107
I can’t see the switch on the Dark Side.
MOD-
cleanup needed two threads ago #265…the ‘i guess this is how it’s done’ thread…….
Mutant Poodle @ 7
Remember, collies herd sheep! *g* They are not rollover dogs!
Like what? Like the optic cable has WMDs? Get real. Deliberately allowed themselves to be bullied, more like it.
Hugh @ 113
And then there’s habeas corpus.
Right on, Hugh 113 and Eureka Springs 114.
Bull’shite. If there is an attack now it is because Justice is completely occupied with planning the coup. If Bush needed more tools (!)for the current ‘emergency’ he should have asked a little while ago. It the Federal Administration can’t afford to hire a few more paper pushers to take warrant requests to the Federal Inquisition Surreptitious Crypt, let them ask for a little more money, or confiscate a little of yours with it’s new enabling legislation. I go with the ‘we did it to humiliate the Democrats’ line. We’re whupt if we think we’re whupt. People know who to blame for the bridge collapse and every thing else. Bush stood up and told the Milwaukee rescuers some tripe about ‘I bring you America’s prayers.’ He sounded like his mouth was full of oatmeal.
If your vision is 20/20 and you can see no difference between the Dems and Repubs, then you must be viewing them from that far distant vantage point of absolute moral purity.
For the rest of us who have, oh, been divorced, or gotten drunk, cussed someone out when they didn’t deserve it, or even used the wrong fork at a dinner party, there is really no excuse to equate them.
That doesn’t mean Dems are necessarily good. On aggregate they are less bad. If we had proportional representation or even instant run-off voting, we could have our voices heard more easily. But we have a 2 party system (and have had one for over 200 years). So the way we get our voices heard is (1) by calling and emailing (2) and picking off the worst of the lot. That’s what the Right did for 20 years to get us to this point.
Third parties don’t work. And don’t even think about revolutions. The French had one, the Russians had one, and they sucked. We didn’t. Despite the name, we had a Radical Reform, not a Revolution.
eCAHNomics @ 120
Don’t know. Will we ever find out? I am barely past the “needing commiseration” stage in all this.
mauimom @ 71
I wrote to him before the vote and immediately after. But I want to write again. I’m thinking of writing a letter to the editor on the FISA bill, thanking our other 3 congresscritters for standing strong, pointedly making clear, by omission, who was the weak-kneed wally.
How do you do it? I wanted to do that myself.
Bob in HI
Fresh thread up.
Screw Disney!! Take your kids to Yellowstone National park and watch geysers! Take a horse ride or a carriage ride.
The Dem leadership is trying to play defense and not screw up for the ‘08 election. With the fascists controlling the MSM, it may be the right strategy. I think part of the problem is, we at FDL think this is reality. Get out and talk to your red-state neighbors; even the ones who are not wing-nuts are totally ignorant of what is really happening. Both parties are fighting for 10-15% of the voters…any Dem fuck-up will be hammered by the MSM day and night and then we have President Giuliani.
mui @ 125
We already know all we need to know. W lies & bullies to get his way. There is no heightened threat and we need no hearings or commissions to figure this one out. Unless we’re going to do something about it, but now that we know that’s off the table. . .
TeddySanFran @ 95
They will try, TSF. They will try to blame us even if nothing happens. They will never stop trying. That doesn’t mean they have to succeed.
Praedor Atrebates @ 110
Well, actually, that was my point. Says all the right things then votes repub.
Kathryn in MA @ 128
Yeah Disney propaganda brought The Path to 9/11 to our houses.
GordonM @ 124
I can see the differences between the Democrats and the Republicans just fine. I can also see the similarities.
mui @ 133
That was a bit of propaganda, wasn’t it? sheesh
solai @ 132
He has reduced himself to a placeholder, keeping the Dems in the majority.
Hugh @ 113
what you said.
to borrow a tired cliche from AA, the fist step is admitting you have a problem.
Seems many folks here can see the (D) party has a problem, but are willing to listen to all the rationalizations and excuses like “we don’t have the votes” and “we’re too afraid of the meanies!” and “just trust us, it’ll all be better if we control the govt in 2009.”
this might be called enabling?
the truth is, with few exceptions, national Dems don’t want to stop the war and the trampling of the Constitution that’s why they aren’t trying very hard to do these things.
Maybe if the left had a ton of money to throw around, and could go through the lobbyist/bribery system, more (D)’s could be bought off enough to support the Constitution again, but again, they wouldn’t do it because they beleive it is the right thing to do.
after this or the next craven betrayal of those who helped them regain majorities in Congress, go read :
http://powerofnarrative.blogsp…..s-and.html
Well, in the final book, there is hope for some redemption for some Slytherins – and Slughorn was never in lockstep with the Dark Lord.
I cannot say the same for the Republicans.
eCAHNomics @ 130
So anybody getting answers from their congresscritters? I can expect the Lieberstaff to be rude on the phone and some totally equivocal return letter, starting “Dear Friend”.
So now Abu has full power to target citizens. What an irony. The guy is such a criminal. A demonstrable liar. Anybody could have pointed the political disastor in uplifting him in his role as Chief Inquisitor while he’s under investigation.
sporkovat @ 137
My response at 124 was basically a response to Arthur’s melodramatic dribble. In 2003 and 2004, when Bush was at the height of his Manichean rhetoric, Arthur was a great antidote. That time is long passed. Bush has lost most of this country despite their MSM fed ignorance. If you let him turn you off to the Dems, then our only leverage is gone. It’s time to pressure them, not give up on them.
Re Rowling’s un-realized Slytherins, you’re forgetting Snape. Let’s hope there someone like him mole-ing amongst W’s Death Eaters.
For now, the Democrats do what they have to do. The masses still believe in the uber Lord of Terrorism. Look soft on that, and there goes the White House in ‘08, and the abuse of executive power goes on. For now, we keep Congress and we keep the power to set the agenda. We gather evidence, we shine light. We keep waking people up. Critical mass will come — but it’s not here yet. As Dumbledore knew, taking on something before you have the power to do it only ensures you lose all in the end.
BigMitch @ 29
Not true. Copyright and public domain still exist … it’s just that copyright is way longer than it needs to be. (I don’t see any reason why it has to be longer than 50 years.)
Gordon M @ 141.
glad that you’re familiar with Mr. Silbur.
Although the word ‘melodramatic’ is descriptive, the word ‘dribble’ is purely pejorative.
what has our ostensible ‘leverage’ with the Dems done for us, lately?
and which statement within
is falsifiable?
BigMitch @ 25
I think the way we get around that is to, as much as I hate to say it, provide an amnesty for the period during which this law was in effect.
Look, he cannot now go ahead and cover his ass with a retroactive law making all his previous crimes non-crimes and just get away with it. There was a law in force while he was breaking it and this portion of the law that, sort of, indemnifies him and his crew can be challenged in the courts, much as I distrust them too.
The excuse that what I was doing was the law was negated at Nuremberg much as the Republicans in the US and the Conservatives in Britain tried with much success to lighten the punishments meted out to the Nazis. Bush and his people are following their game plan, right down to making retroactive laws that cover their asses for their previous crimes.
When they don’t get their way, say Miami-Dade, 2000 recount, House of Representatives the evening of 1 August 2007, they send the brownshirts down there and have a little riot.
We can not let the Democrats cede one more inch to these people, but we also have to accept that the Democrats are also part of the class that benefits from the very policies, tax cuts, favored contracts for their spouses, that the rest of us are geting screwed by.
Someone posted the other night that the Democrats were like Kerensky who was head of the Russian Provisional Government at the time of the Russian Revolution. Kerensky, in an attempt to save his own ass, made a pact with the generals and the opposition to oppose the Bolsheviks who were the extreme left of his party.
Don’t put anything past the ruling classes and the ownership class. They will do whatever they need to do, make whatever alliances they need to make to keep us from getting to the top with them.
Why? Becasue the American Dream has always been a story of people getting fucked over, people like you, people like me, people like my mom and dad.
The American Dream is a nightmare.
Deborah Conner @ 142
We can but hope, can’t we? Jim Jeffords — a true “good Slytherin” — was so disgusted with Bush, he left the GOP and caucused with the Dems in 2001, which was enough to throw the Senate to the Dems for a year. If not for 9/11, 2002 might have turned out far differently than it did; Bush was already below 50% by early September and heading down fast.
Better yet, look at David Brock. If somebody had told me ten years ago that he was going to be one of the possible saviors of our democracy, I would have asked to have some of the acid they were dropping. Yet it was around that time that he — cultivated by guys like Joe Conason — found himself so tortured by his conscience that he started to feed information on the right-wing’s inner workings to various lefties. And now look at him! He’s come a long way, baby!
It’s not glamourous and it can be wearing. But all I have to do is to think back to where we were not that long ago. 2002 and 2004 were bad, bad years.
sporkovat @ 144
Yes. FDR.
GordonM @ 20
What, you mean you don’t like the idea of a race called Gunga Dins Gungans who are all so subservient towards nice primate-types like Queen Amygdala?
albert fall @ 31
It’s the new math. ;-)
Late in the thread, but I’m in agreement with Toby (33). Moan we must, but our folks (especially Darcy Burner, send money) will prevail.
james @ 145: all of Bush’s latest manouverings are aimed at making the most plausible possible case to a largely sympathetic judiciary and an increasing hostile public. He is guilty of hundreds of crimes and will probably never be able to travel internationally, except by private plane to a few select countries. That’s his best case outcome. The rest is posturing.
The entire FISA thing came up because he realized that the “unitary executive” thing he’s been pushing since 2001 isn’t going to work. His argument for years was that FISA was unconstitutional because it infringed on his powers.
It is extremely disappointing that the Dems caved, but it is not the end of the world. It just delays end of Bush for a bit more.
Phoenix Woman @ 148
My son made me go watch episode 2 in a theater. When I came out, my one comment was “they should’ve named it ‘Annakin becomes a Maniken’”.
GordonM
peace, bro.
I’m an outlying data point here, just representing my position.
keeping the stectrum wide gives everyone more room to maneuver.
advocating defection online might slightly, infinitestimably, motivate, or leverage, some improved policies from (D) politicians.
SeamusD @ 83
One too many http’s, just delete one until help arrives . . thanks for the tip . . . mods?
GordonM @ 124
No. We had a REVOLUTION. General Washington, the Delaware, Minutemen, etc. There were guns, battles, maneuvers, executions, hangings…the works. There was a REVOLUTION. Don’t try to “clean it up” into some nonviolent Ghandi-esque lovefest that worked.
GordonM@19: Disney destroyed Mulan, too. In the original Chinese tale she is not a bumbler, but a serious warrior who has to come to terms with what that means for her. And I’m with you on @124, @134, and @141.
Bob Schacht @ 23: yes, in the final book it is revealed fairly conclusively that Harry has distant relations with the baddest of baddies. But if some major faction in Congress was passionate right now about protecting the Constitution, I’d feel better about your comment. As is, I fear that in 10 years you may not have any party to switch to on that particular value. Hell, I fear that now.
Praedor Atrebates @ 155:
I think one could easily make the argument that the American Revolution was a return to base principles established since the Magna Carta. You can’t claim the same of the French Revolution. Nor can you fuzz the idea that “reformation” is inherently non-violent. You might want to check the history of the Protestant Reformation on that one. It was kind of significant and resulted in violence in Europe for a century or three.
The monkeys on the GOP side of the aisle do not rate as Slytherins. They’re more akin to trolls, if not troll bogeys. Not a few of them are most certainly blast-ended skrewts.
Praedor Atrebates @ 155
BS. Those who were in ruling positions within the colonies were in ruling positions with the new country. That’s not a revolution. That’s breaking away. We took our economic model and our legal model from England virtually unchanged. Our political model was a fairly radically reformed parlimentary model, but “reform” is still the important word.
Name one REVOLUTION in a decently large country that has worked. They don’t. Napolean took over. Lenin took over. Revolutions create chaos and strongmen step in because anything is better than chaos. Ask Somalia. Ask Iraq.
marymccurnin @ 101
I agree. They didn’t have to lower the standard to “reasonable belief,” or give the WH staff get out of jail free cards, or give Gonzo even more sweeping authority than he already has. They could have done what was reasonable, without allowing themselves to be stampeded into giving away the store.
Bob in HI
I noticed mentioned above that Peloisi wants to amend the Senate bill sooner than the 6 months? How convenient for the WH, nevertheless.
Even if Pelosi and her gang can restore the Constitution, (which might be nice) and in less than 6 mos this silly law still had the intended effect of covering BushCo for his illegal eavesdropping since 2001 and/or before.
Spoiler alert
Snape is of course morally ambiguous.
In Book 7, Draco Malfoy is evil in the same sense as Barry Bonds. Despite being a highly unpleasant person and a bully for the first six books, he has not given his heart to Voldemort.
The “good Slytherin” you are looking for I believe is Regulus Black. Of course he was in Slytherin because it was a family tradition.
This thread may have ended but…
With regard to Potter, I thought Rowling wimped out on the Slyterins too. And I was especially disappointed that she didn’t delve into the parallels of Snape vs. Harry’s father as kids and Draco Malfoy vs. Harry. I thought we would see how Harrys’ dad worked it out with Snape and therefore Malfoy would with Harry. She dropped the ball there.
With regard to republicans. I thought about the whole party system again today and how disappointed with the partisanship. I’m in TX and my senators are Cornyn and Hutchison. Here’s my question: they ARE my representatives, even tho I didn’t vote for them. Aren’t they therefore supposed to represent me and all the rest of the dems that didn’t vote for them as well as the repubs who did? Because I didn’t vote for them, they can just ignore the 48% of us? In these days none of the repubs even PRETEND to listen to or compromise with others.
Just an observation:
A good comparison between the “herding cats” Democrats and the Slytherin-lockstep Republicans can be found in comparing the Daily Show with Faux News’ attempt at humor.
On the Daily Show, Jon Stewart takes comic jabs at both Democrats and Republicans, and even includes self-deprecating humor in the mix, taking comic jabs at themselves.
On Faux News’ attempt at humor, all they do is attack, attack, attack Democrats…just like they do on other Faux News programs. No comic jabs at the worst administration in American history. No deprecating humor. Just another Faux News’ sick joke hosted by sick right-wing jokers. Pathetic, really.
There are better people with which to fight the Republicans. I’m not going to sit back and fight for my country with crappy equipment, not when I can get a better model – younger, smarter, more liberal, more engaged with the people s/he represents – every two years. I’ll be supporting a progressive primary campaign against my traitorous congresscritter in 08.
We can do better than the worthless sacks of manure that are currently stinking up our government.
Whats really funny about your article is that you group yourself with the griffins or hufflepuff…
You don’t see yourself as a slytherine…
Ironically, that is what the slytherines think of themselves in the book/movies..
They see themselves as ‘good’ and the ‘good guys’ as bad… where in fact, in reality, it is the exact opposite.
So I guess following the BOOK’S logic… you (the author of this article) are a slytherine because the reverse logic is our actual reality.
Just an observation that just because a person CALLS themselves good, doesn’t make it so.