Evening, firedogs! I just flew in from Chicago, and boy are my tiny forelimbs tired.
I’m planning on posting a lengthier piece (or set of pieces) about my Kos experience later this week as a guest-blogger at Brilliant at Breakfast, but here are some quick takes:
Obviously, it was a major thrill to find myself at one point sitting between Digby and Glenn Greenwald, talking in real time. I’ve met blog-friends before in Connecticut last summer and DC during on election night, but this was a whole different deal. There was time to sit and talk and joke and compare notes. Greenwald is a delight in person, so sharp, so on point, and hilarious. The air around him seems to crackle and snap with wit, and while I expected to be really intimidated, I was immediately at ease in his presence.
Same goes for Digby, who I wanted to leap on and hug and squeeze and call her “George”, although by the time I joined her and Christy late Saturday afternoon for a chat in the hotel bar, both of them were looking kind of hugged out. Apparently a lot of people feel the same way I do about Digby, and for someone who has only recently shed their veil of anonymity on the web, I think the constant squeezing was starting to wear a little thin.
I had some real fun at Ari Melber’s panel with Mike Allen from the Politico, Jay Carney from Swampland, Jill from Feministe, and Glenn Greenwald. Oh, and the Sampland party was a great party, by the way.
If you’ve never been to a party before.
It was way, way, way too many people packed into a very small space. I’ve been to dorm-room beer and nitrous parties that were less uncomfortably crowded. The din was ear-splitting as people got liquored up and shouted to hear themselves.
Wonkette was there holding forth about something with a cocktail in hand, surrounded by an eager throng of men in suits. I thought about going over to her and saying hello, but I realized that she might tape it and publish the whole conversation on line and then I could end up seeing the whole thing re-enacted with some cokehead in a cheerleader outfit playing me. No, thanks.
I walked by Karen Tumulty just in time to hear her say, “Tumulty! No, Tu-MUL-ty!” which was handy right then because I couldn’t think of her name either. Joe Klein must have been a no-show because I never saw him, although he is very small, so he might have been under a napkin or stuffed into Ana Marie’s Kate Spade clutch.
I ate a few pieces of really bad sushi (Hey, I was hungry and who knew when the next opportunity to eat would be?), then went outside with Chicago Dyke to smoke a cigarette and drink a coca-cola. It was there that we realized that we’d rather repeatedly slam our fingers in a car door than go back into that maelstrom of noise and chaos. What would be the point?
I have to agree with Teddy about the convention center itself:
What did I like very little about YKos? — location, location, location. A venue with $4.50 pint bottles of water and three-dollar bananas; miles to walk between events on hard marble and concrete; with no commons to sit, meet, and chat except an outrageously priced restaurant and a bar; completely disconnected from the city where we’re located — well, it is entirely beyond me.
For people like our own Texas Betsy, who was alternating between crutches and a wheelchair, it was impractical at best, excruciating at worst. People were literally exhausted from all the walking and stair climbing.
The other thing was, as Jane pointed out earlier, the expense. I know that my budget for the rest of the month has taken a major hit. The whole thing would have been fine if I was some staffer from Newsweek or CNN who has a bottomless expense account, but I’m just a blogger from Georgia with a job in public radio. Nine bucks for a pack of smokes or twenty for a personal pizza is a bit beyond my means, which is why, unless some measure is taken to ensure that this doesn’t happen next year, Chicago will be both my first and last YearlyKos adventure.
It’s good to be home, and really good to “see” you guys. Did you miss me? I wish I’d gotten to spend some more time with readers. There were a bunch of people there I never even got to meet.
There’s much, much more to tell you, but this post has gotten long enough. I’ll let you know when my long piece goes up at Brilliant at Breakfast.



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TRex!
Welcome back, TRex…we missed you!
zed from chicago?
Third?
Trex back!? THe big city couldn’t hold you? Meet anyone nice?! *g*
What kind of fuckery is this?!?!
EvilDrPuma @ 6
Exactly. $9 for a pack of smokes? That IS fuckery!
Welcome Home TRex!
TRex!!!
Oh, lest I forget…nice picture. I saved that one.
Evening, gang. Good to be here.
I also picked up my computer with its new hard drive today on the way to work. I should be back on line at home tonight, barring major problems.
God, it’s good to be home.
Did you see Amy Winehouse?
boing boing boing CANNONBALL
woohoo TRex is back – is your computer all fixed?
TRex, if you thought I had trouble getting around DURING the convention, you should see me now. Have a busted tire on the wheelchair and feeling confined to the room or whatever distance I can carry the laptop in a backpack and using the canes. Going tomorrow morning for a site-seeing trip to the medical supply store. :)
I loved meeting you and some of the other FDL folks. RevDeb and I spent part of today at the Field Museum, and that was great. Ready to fly home tomorrow though.
Suzanne @ 13
Welcome home, TRex – (sputter, sputter, splishy) Suzanne! You splashed BIG TIME! *g*
Betsy, so sorry to hear about the busted wheels :-( Hopefully they can fix you up tomorrow.
TexBetsy @ 14
I’ve never known the Field to be other than well worth it, but I don’t think I’ll ever see everything there is to see there.
Suzanne @ 13
Are the judges considering this a cannonball competition, or where they looking for one of your more graceful dives?
LoudounLib @ 7
I think Karma is trying to send you a message about smoking [or not smoking].
mauimom ;-)
N=1 @ 15
Then I did it correctly (evil grin) here’s a towel – you did bring a waterproof keyboard didn’t you?
bonkers @ 12
Sigh. No. There was no way to get in to see her without paying the full Lollapalooza admission. Plus, by Sunday I was just exhausted. I just wanted to go home at that point. Too many people, too much stimulation. I think going to Lollapalooza would have been an exercise in misery.
This evening’s snack is my dinner from tonight. Loo Hoo and I were hoping to go out, but I can’t do buses without my wheels, so we got takeout instead.
Biden people are here tonight, guess the debate is going to be at a baseball field tomorrow night because the number of people is so large.
A Biden worker said they are doing another reach-out to the progressive community, that he couldn’t fit YearlyKos into his schedule.
Now I don’t feel so left out, but I guess I’m just a commenter not a blogger. When you write about 19 th century history, Its hardly topical. Glad you all had so much fun (I wonder if thats the right word).
I ferSuzanne @ 13
Dang it, Ma Cheri, i need a towel, stat!!!
The impression I am getting from reading the “after action” reports is people are “Bummed Out” by the Chicago experience. The meeting last year in Las Vegas seemed to be a more positive experience.
You know, I think I’m going to start nagging people who are overweight.
“I think you should quit eating so much cheesecake. It’s bad for your health, you know.”
It’s about as polite as nagging me about smoking.
Do you know they’re changing the branding to something like netroots nation?
Nine bucks for a pack of smokes! That should include a fully paid medical policy with every purchase..
I fervently hope next year’s YKos will not be held in such pricey digs!!!
TexBetsy @ 23
may i eat at your house?
TRex @ 28
I didn’t mean it to be a “nag.” Really.
Maybe I’m a “concern troll” and don’t know it?
Oh, I was so looking forward to hearing about the TRex-Ana[l] Marie smackdown. Too bad ChiDyke carried you away.
And you did see that Mike Allen made fun of your blogname on Tucker’s wee little MSNBC programme, didn’t you?
Glad you’re home safe.
Hey TSF- did you see Matt O?
fdl allstars are just about home – welcome home Trex… you must have great posts on the way ;o)….
Loo Hoo. @ 24
Keith Olbermann was saying on tonight’s show that the debate tomorrow night would be OUTSIDE???? Can that be true? Even he thought it was a crazy idea. Or was he just joking? Unfortunately I don’t think so.
Steve-AR @ 27
Well I enjoyed the convention, had fun, met lots of people, learned a lot about politics, and went WAY over budget. Even saw some old friends in N Chicago I hadn’t seen in 14 yrs, and got a chance to do some interviews for Head On Radio, instead of just emailing in news pieces like I normally do.
Looking forward to getting home though.
argosfalcon @ 25
Oh, but it can be. Particularly if it’s American history, and you can enlighten people about things like political realignments and third parties and such.
yellowdog jim @ 32
Any time. Call me when I get back to Texas and I’ll have you over.
TRex, here’s a write-up of Virgin Fest from the other day. Amy Winehouse is reviewed within:
Gimme Swelter
Where’s Alfred?
That poor little man. I guess he had to try some kind of retaliation for the beat-down I brought to him and Jay Carney during their panel with Jill from Feministe and Glenn Greenwald.
Of course, he had to run and hide behind Carlson’s hoop skirt to do it.
TexBetsy @ 40
I gotta say, I love Texas, I love Texas, I love Texas, I love Texas.
I’m told outside rain or shine for tomorrow night’s event. I ran into one of the MSNBC guys-not an anchor but a 30 something male with light brown/blonde hair. Can’t remember his name.
People probably want to see Olbermann as much as the candidates!
Oh, and Suzanne? You didn’t splash me. I was off getting a nightcap.
LoudounLib @ 7
Ah..for the good old days, when a carton of Marlboro Reds was $2.99. I could go through 1 1/2 cartons a week on spare change.
TRex @ 22
I hear ya. Festivals are usually not worth the hassle, especially afternoon gigs which tend to be lackluster. Sooner or later you and Ms. Winehouse will cross paths. Welcome back!
TexBetsy @ 38
I hear ya, Ma’am! Are the interviews archived?
TRex, if people hugged like you hug with those little but amazingly strong arms, it’s no wonder that Christy and Digby were all hugged out. Olympic hugger, you.
Damned glad to see you, and so sorry about the room expense. I feel incredibly guilty because I roomed with two other folks and managed by sheer luck to get a huge room with four beds at a cost of $99 a night at the Hyatt. (Yes, we actually had an empty bed. *sigh* Could have roomed in with us, if you didn’t mind three women with very different demands.)
VG — I saw and spoke with Matt O, and damn…just sayin’.
TRex @ 43
Do tell more on the encounter, only have heard it happened but no details.
TRex @ 43
Is Carlson’s hoop skirt made of some kryptonite type material that thwarts thwacking therapod tails?
Suzanne @ 21
Oh yes, and goggles, too! *g*
Steve-AR @ 47
I remember when they were .33 cents…I’m older, but I’m still a babe.
Rayne @ 50
That’s good, right?
CTuttle @ 49
Have not yet been aired. But maybe I can email them to you. Does anyone know how to post them online? I know how & where to post photos, but not audio files.
GordonM @ 39
Well right now it research on failed expeditions to the pacific northwest, political and economic competitions and near war driven by the media at the time and some self serving politicians. And to think it all started with the theft of two silver spoons, and a report by Capt. Cook.
mauimom @ 19
mauimom @ 19
It’s not Karma, it’s politicians (like Republikan Gov. of CT Jodie Rell) who think that a “sin tax” is the only one they can get away with to boost revenue, since they are not so keen on taxing the rich.
GordonM, I see you didn’t notice your chair was all wet when you sat down
argosfalcon @ 25
You write about the 19th C? What about sharing on Progressive Historians?
p.s. TRex, you can try and lecture me about the cheesecake, but my eating cheesecake won’t make you sick years from now.
(Cheesecake will make me sick within hours, though, bad example.)
LS @ 54
.52 in my younger years
TRex — I’m so glad you are home. How did the clothing outfits go? Any “cocktail” party splendour?
I’m older, but I’m still a babe.
Oh man, LS. Usually when I say somebody ought to write a song, it’s already been written. But this…
Loo Hoo. @ 64
;)
Valley Girl @ 55
He’s tall, dark, attractive, has a real presence, as articulate in person as he is on the ‘net. He’s television material if he gets some coaching. Good thing I’m an old, chubby married hag or I might have thrown myself at him.
TexBetsy @ 56
Sorry, Luddite here!!! I’m sure someone can steer ya straight and true…!!! ;-)
i don’t nag anyone.
i watched as my father-in-law die from lung cancer.
i was by his bed as he, ever so slowly, suffocated to death.
and there was nothing i could do.
he was the kindest man to me of all the people i have ever known.
less than an hour before he died, he was making wise cracks, making us all laugh.
he was in terrible pain.
the morphine didn’t help anymore.
i love him still.
it’s been ten years.
there was nothing i could DO!
be careful out there.
we love you.
LS @ 54
Older? I’ll raise you 5 cent Cokes and 25 cent gas. $2.55 to fill the VW Bug.
VAW Coffee with the Troops
Some powerful online video from Sunday’s Coffee with the Troops has begun to hit the net. The entire event, attended by over one hundred people at the Yearly Kos Sunday in Chicago was video taped, so expect more footage online in the hours and days ahead.
argosfalcon @ 57
At least half of that would seem to be applicable :-).
Rayne is hardly chubby, old, or haggy. Married, yes. (She is a delight!)
Steve-AR @ 69
No fear.
yellowdog jim @ 68
Dog!!!
Evening all. Well I truly feel as though I am living at the gates of hell these days (the pass leading into the valley is called Hellgate Canyon). Surrounded by a quarter million acres of forest up in flames in western Montana and the Missoula Valley filled with smoke. Many of my favorite areas are currently off limits because of active fires. And this is early in the fire season.
Crap. I got disconnected (dialup ) while editing @58
Suzanne @ 59
There was a faint hissing sound.
Steve-AR @ 69
Uh, I remember gas wars in Texas when premium was 9.9 cents, down from the usual 11.9….
DrDick @ 75
Aloha, DD, stay alert!!!
LoudounLib @ 7
One of the reasons I quit (though they were only about $4 then).
Loo Hoo. @ 72
You are toooo kind, Loo Hoo, and you are just as kind in person as you are online.
My kids would definitely beg to differ about the old and haggy part, and don’t even ask my spouse. ;-)
N=1 @ 60
I started in pre history and spent some time in the Spanish Colonial world and California, now moring in to the era of exploration. I have spent my life as a modern hunter/gather and out of the main stream, so I still see the world from a different anthropological perspective.
LoudounLib @ 7
As long as folks here in NYC are paying $10 for 6 joints I have no sympathy.
funny you should mention cheesecake – i’m eating a slab of it now – yes i said slab lol must maintain my weight ;)
(((YellowdogJim)))
Dr. Dick, it’s going to be years and years before the forests grow back. It must be horrible.
I remember $.19 per gallon gas – and putting $.25 worth in the cadi coupe de ville (metallic purple with rabbit fur upholstery and on dash incense holder) was good for the rest of the night’s cruisin.
Rayne @ 66
Alas, I have never met him, but he looks like a total ummm… hunk from the pics I have seen. Of course, I was first attracted to his mind ;). I am so glad that you said he has a real presence. I kinda have gotten the impression that he is a shy guy. He was one of Kid Oakland’s 17- minority bloggers he raised money for so that they could go to yKos. I’m going to be sending Matt O some dollars to help, bec. alas, I’m sure that the 17 are still severely out of pocket. Matt O is really an amazing young man.
DrD, saw some reports of Montana earlier on the news. I sure hope you all get some relief!
DrDick @ 75
I’m sorry to hear it. Every time I have been to Missoula there have been fires. I was just looking at fly fishing and kayaking pictures from the last time I was there. Good memories.
Well, the panel had gone fairly smoothly. Carney and Allen were miracles of disingenuousness, making a lot of vague, pleasant-sounding noises about the role of bloggers in the media. Greenwald jumped on them, but very politely, as befits a man of his station.
They called for questions, and I jumped from my chair, which set TeddySanFran to giggling in anticipation. There were a few questions ahead of me, but then I got to the mic.
“I’m David Ferguson and I blog as TRex at Firedoglake.”
And the (huge) audience surprised me by erupting into cheers.
“RAAAAAAAAAHHHHRRR!!” they roared.
“Mr. Allen, Mr. Carney,” I said, “We appreciate your being here, but can you explain to us why your publications repeatedly run to the people who were so wrong about the Iraq War as experts about anything? Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, Micheal Ledeen? How wrong does a person have to be before you guys stop giving them a legitimate platform?”
“YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAARRRRGGHHHHH!!!” said the audience.
“And now these same people are pulling for a war with Iran. Your “serious, sensible” pal Joe Lieberman is agitating for military strikes against Iran, and that’s unacceptable. Where does it stop?”
It was kind of awesome to feel that kind of support from such a massive room full of people. I got goosebumps.
I’ve never been to a political convention, but the complaints I’ve been hearing about Chicago are the complaints I hear at every large science fiction convention I’ve ever attended. Pricey bottled water, expensive rooms, and hotel food that is not really worth the price. Since I am, like Texas Betty, disabled, certain options outside the hotel aren’t really options. Having something go wrong with the wheelchair eliminates places others could walk to for a less expensive meal. One of the interesting side effects of trips like this is that they tend to make you appreciate everyday life a bit more than normal. Click your heels three times and say, there is no place like home, TRex. Do they make ruby slippers for therapods?
Suzanne @ 86
I remember it too. 25 cents each in my friend’s British Green Valiant, and we could cruise all night!
lets see – my recollection of gas prices here in jersey – .29 a gal as a kid we didnt have cars – didnt need them – excellent public trans back then
Suzanne @ 86
I assume you were working undercover then.. *s*
Rayne @ 61
Oh, yes it will. The health risks of being more than 20 pounds overweight are equal and possibly greater than those of smoking a pack of cigarettes a day.
Steve-AR @ 69
In 1970 on my first x-country trip, I found 25 cent gas in CO. In 63 there was a gas station with old fashioned (sexy) Coke bottles in a machine, but I can’t recall if they were 5 or 10 cents. But I never put more that 50 cents of gas into my Honda 305, and I rode it for years and years.
YDJ, if you’re still here — you have (unrelated to the thread) FB mail…
Suzanne @ 86
Incense Holder?!!! :~)
TRex @ 90
Thank you for asking.
Oh, and juslin — hi, juslin! — have been trying to add you as a FB friend, but no go — if you like, click on my FB icon here and add me :-)
There were so many people I didn’t get to meet, either; the venues were so far apart that I didn’t make all the programs I wanted to attend, where many folks here might have been.
I also spent a big chunk of my time focused on a new job that I accepted this morning, offered at YKos. More details in the near future, when the dust settles. Exciting stuff, IMO!!!
And once I get back from my sanctuary and decompressing here in the Great White North, I have to finish a larger post as well about my experience covering the media covering bloggers and netroots as a citizen journalist for ePluribus Media. You folks are very skeptical of journalists, although with very good reason, and it showed. But the media? Phew. That’s a long story.
I’m from Chicago. I wasn’t able to get a YearlyKos ticket, so I went to Lollapalooza instead. Had a great time too!
Sorry to hear about the lame McCormick Place experience. I don’t think I’ve been there more than once in my 38 years living here.
Rubys are too expensive. TRex wore red sequin slippers.
Eureka Springs @ 94
uh, um, nope – those were the years that i was hiding my $10 lid in my bra when the cops pulled me over – good thing i had my juvenile record sealed.
of course, those years did help me (kinda peverse when ya think about) when i became a respectable adult doing the busting.
TRex @90
What was their response?
TRex – any suggestions on how to get the YK1 spirit back for YK3? Teddy wants to hold YK3 on a college campus which sounds good to me.
NYT’s editorial
EvilDrPuma @ 99
What was their answer?
TRex — RevDeb and I tried to buy you a pair of shoes at the museum, but I am afraid they were out of your size.
Suzanne @ 86
$.25 gas in a caddie? I think you were doing more parking than cruising.
EvilDrPuma @ 99
Well, what did they say??
Congrats Rayne!
LoudounLib @ 97
thank you
LS @ 73
When I started smoking, cigarettes were 35 cents a pack, cokes were a nickle and I remember 19 cent gas (think it was only during price wars).
Ahh the days of cheap gas, Dad would give me a buck to fill the gas can, 50 cents to do the lawn, and another model airplane was born as was a sugar high.
TRex @ 95
You’re both right:
the smoker’s second hand smoke gave me COPD, and the overweight patients caused me to permanently injure my back whilst lifting, turning and ambulating them (that’s the leading cause of injuries to healthcare providers). No exaggeration: I once had a patient smoke through his tracheostomy while wearing supplemental oxygen and actively dying of lung cancer – the nicotine addiction is that powerful.And, fat is harder to get through in surgery. it causes delayed wound healing, and it causes extra miles of blood vessels to have to cause extra work on the heart to pump the longer distance.
Both problems are not simples matters of willpower, and so no one should feel guilt.
TexBetsy @ 109
So cute!!
Valley Girl @ 35
Yes, he joined our lunch table for Christy’ HotTopics Lunch and then the PrezForum. We didn’t have a lot of chat, but then I saw him later at the Teamsters Cookout with a bunch of young people. He seemed to be having a great time.
GordonM @ 39
thanks.
we will do that.
i was confused.
i thought you were here
(your plate looked so good!)
and we were going to your house tonight.
(Heh, heh.)
Suzanne @ 104
I remember $7 lids.
And my lids are getting heavy. ‘Night everyone.
TRex @ 95
Babe, when you light up in my presence, we’re both at risk. If I eat a piece of cheesecake — scratch that, let’s say chocolate brownie — in your presence, you are not at risk, only I am, assuming you don’t join me in a brownie.
I have a niece who is developmentally challenged, born 2.5 months early. No family history of problems on either side, only cause known is her mother’s exposure to second hand smoke every night while she tended the family bar. In other words, there are also people who are not visible to us who are also at risk.
TRex @ 90
Did they have a reply to that?
“Mike McConnell, crossed the line from being a steward of this nation’s security to acting as a White House political operative.” Coupled with Gonzo, WTF?!!! 8-(
DrDick @ 115
I didn’t drive around a the time, so I don’t remember gas prices, but I do remember the price of cigarettes.
Titanyum @ 106
John Brown or Regents?
Congratulations, Rayne! Can’t wait to hear the scoop.
When I was commenting on the Clinton breakout, I was sitting next to some people from the National Education Association. They asked to see my stuff and took my e-mail. Their boss asked them to call me to see if I want to do some blogging for them.
I am a member of NEA, but I told them I don’t blog, I just comment. We’ll see. It was flattering anyway…
TRex, you’ve been missed! Sounds like an imperfect venue. Has anyone looked at NOLA as a potential site for YK3?
Steve-AR @ 110
One of my dad’s favorite memories was to recount how he would get a phone call “we ran out of gas” and how the response always was “a quarter’s worth” when asked how much gas was put in. He would show up with a gas can and a buck or two to put in the cadi’s gas fund.
Eventually, he raised my allowance to a whole $1 a week.
Loo Hoo,
Those were real rubies on those slippers? Well, then the satin slippers make sense. Who can afford ruby slippers, hotel rooms, and bottled water?
LL@100
i added you hope it took lol
juslin @ 130
gotcha, it worked ;-)
We need some youngsters besides just Cassie to balance out the age differential here…
TexBetsy @ 112
Thank you, TexB! I am totally geeked about this new gig, hope that some really great things will come of it!!
And I will likely be contacting you personally to learn more about Head On Radio; I think we will have opportunities to work together, is that not cool??
Rayne @ 133
That would be awesome.
Carney and Allen both made a lot of noise as if they were answering my question, but neither one actually said anything.
I dunno how to fix YKos. All in all, it was kind of a dispiriting experience for some reason. Everybody came away from it kind of exhausted and frustrated, even though we managed to have a good time here and there.
The worst thing about it was the choice of Matt Bai for moderator of the Presidential Candidates Forum. He was awful. It was like watching a soft-boiled egg host ‘The Price is Right’.
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How many other states have similar measures quietly going through? Shoot up a goddamned flare, please.
Loo Hoo. @ 132
You only say that ’cause you know we’re all geezers.
Loo Hoo. @ 126
Oh Loo Hoo, you should follow that lead and see where it goes!! Heck, I might even have reason to contact you if you’re NEA member. I was getting asked frequently as to whether I knew folks who blogged about this topic or that topic, all with the intent to hire or contract folks to do progressive blogging.
Wish I’d heard something that might have fit TRex so he could put some cash aside for next year’s Netroots Nation…but I’m going to keep my ears open.
TRex @ 90
Loo Hoo. @ 126
Oh, please take them up on it, Loo Hoo. We need to get real teachers’ voices out there letting people know what’s really going on in education these days.
CTuttle @ 74
thanks,CT.
his oldest son was with me as we watched him go.
it makes me sick that said son smokes now.
pa-in-law had been quit from smoking 20 years.
odd that marijuana doesn’t cause cancer.
or emphysema.
even heroin doesn’t destroy your body, the way tobacco and alcohol do.
~ keep on rockin’ in the free world.
Fatty liver disease from eating will kill you just as dead as lung cancer. Then again, there’s heatstroke from trying to run in 100 degree weather, driving in traffic…..ya gotta die of something. Choose your death well.
TRex, a question. What will YK2 accomplish, as far as the netroots goals go? Or was it just an exercise in making hotels and vendors rich, and a hugfest?
EvilDrPuma @ 137
Speak for yourself!
Don’t you think the FISA vote kind of put a damper on things? It’s hard to feel upbeat and hopeful when your party has rolled over to a dictator and his trained pit bull.
Loo Hoo. @ 132
Unfortunately, Statistics would discard her as an anomaly!!!
TexBetsy @ 143
47 here = bordering on geezerhood
Shadowstalker @ 142
You didn’t ask me, which is why I will certainly answer.
IMHO … some good networking was done, some good information shared, and some amount of action spurred. Also many hugs.
LoudounLib @ 100
me too.
Rayne @ 120
Rayne @ 120
I have wondered what would happen if the netroots nation were held at a burning man type of thing. Naw that might not end well.
Suzanne @ 104
‘gasp’
;>)
Suzanne @ 86
Cruisin’ the Freez. Did you do that? Cruise the Tastee Freez? We did;)
TRex @ 135
I can’t remember if I related this to you or not, TRex…but it was an important comment that really hit home for me.
After the Presidential forum, I decided to go to my room to check my mail instead of going to the Breakout Sessions with the individual candidates. I figured I’d already heard enough at the forum and had read enough on line that it wouldn’t help me. While I was in the elevator, I struck up a conversation with a young YKos attendee, looked like he was in his early 20’s. After explaining why I wasn’t going to the Breakouts, I asked him why he wasn’t attending.
He said, “You know, we were talking about far more advanced stuff this morning before the Presidential forum. The forum itself was a step backward and a disappointment.”
Yeah. That. The Netroots is WAY ahead of its so-called leadership, and we are going to have to drag them with us.
And ditch the bloody corporate media to lighten the load.
Gotta run, y’all — working tomorrow. Good night!
darkblack @ 151
my $10 four finger lid
Oh crap, sorry guys new software, different computer and (eck) dialup. @149. Trex didnt’ write that. I did.
I think it’s too soon to tell. Let the ripples spread out from the event a bit and we’ll see what happens.
Sleep well LL.
darkblack @ 151
707
Not that I’m acknowledging that,
707
argosfalcon @ 150
I would guess (based on my own current state of mind) that there are plenty of people, right now, who would be more than willing to burn a 100-foot effigy of Bush and Cheney as an event finale. :)
darkblack @ 151
DB, Don’t go there…!!! ;-)
DrDick @ 75
What’s the air quality like? Take good care of yourself Dr Dick.
Suzanne @ 155
Probably only got two joints out of it, being from California and all.
;>)
darkblack @ 163
B-52’s eh??? ;-)
Suzanne @ 155
Hmm that reminds me of, well somethings are better off unsaid and just remember in silent smiles.
darkblack @ 163
Stop.
darkblack @ 163
I remember the time a typical california rolling paper was included in an album…
Heathens
Loo Hoo. @ 126
Well, of course you should blog. Believe me, a blogger’s just a commenter who’s been invited to the front page — or who’s set up her own blog. Now you’ve been invited, and by the NEA no less!
Your comments are pithy and always to the point, and your natural politeness would be an asset in the blogform.
Suzanne @ 167
Stop it!!
Suzanne @ 167
Yeah, but the adhesive was lousy…Cheapass record company.
;>)
LS @ 168
Yes?
New AIDS drug for hard to treat patients.
Yes! Yes! Exactly.
The candidates (and to a certain extent, the YKos organizers) had the whole thing all wrong. It wasn’t about them. It was about the bloggers.
Everything got dumber and more stressful the moment the candidates arrived.
Steve-AR @ 172
How do you spell the sound of
pschthhhthhhhahahahahahah
Wow. Karzai almost did an Isadora Duncan in Bush’s golf cart.
LS @ 176
Well, he was wearing all that stuff – did he think it was winter here?
TRex @ 174
Everything got dumber and more stressful the moment the
candidatespoliticians arrived.Much like the halls of Congress.
Thanks to all who have expressed concern. The only thing I am personally in danger of is asphyxiation from all the smoke (also boredom as I cannot fish or hike or camp at present). Several hundred people have been evacuated from their homes (given the sparse population in these areas, that’s a lot). Unfortunately, some really beautiful areas are going to be scarred by these fires and it takes decades for the forests to grow back. This area burned in 2003 (the photo is from earlier this summera). This area burnt in 2000 (taken last summer).
LS @ 176
Did Bush even notice?
Rayne @ 153
I have a younger sibling and it’s been interesting to get a glimpse through the generation gap. I keep thinking I’m going to turn into some curmudgeon that bitches about “kids these days, why I oughtta!” but almost every interaction I have with some in their low to mid 20s is very encouraging. There must be something about these kids growing up with the Internet at their fingertips and the whole knowledge is power idea. I’m quite optimistic about the future generations. That’s why we gotta get things back in order so they can take the ball and really run with it!
LS @ 176
Foo, foo.
LS @ 168
And proud of it, in heaven there is no Beer (or other things) thats why we drink it here. If one believes in such a thing, or need an excuse other than such things as the Alberto ” I don’t recall” Gonzales drinking game.
LS @ 170
Only dopes use dope, LS…Everybody else smokes it.
;>)
TRex @ 135
McJoan did nothing to improve the moderation, either. Her flip and MSM-meme-enhancing corruption question to Gravel was absurd and insulting. And whoever set up the stage was an enemy of all the candidates: black lounge chairs arrayed across the front, with the mods in the middle. Not well-thought out, pretentiously executed, and color-deprived. Except, of course, for Mrs. Clinton’s turquoise top; although that looked quite bunchy when she sat.
Was it in response to your question that Mike Allen pleasingly said, “Here’s my email — please write me with tips or corrections!” As if he wanted his own pet Not-Drudge from the lefty blogosphere.
montag @ 180
He seemed attentive for once.
Did Mike Allen reek of quails wings and Astro-Glide?
-GSD
Alright, kids, I’m headed home to see if I can get my new hard drive to work with my wireless router.
Wish me luck!
Suzanne @ 167
Bamboo, IIRC!!!
TRex @ 188
Best of luck T Rex
Something I would really like to see is one of the bloggers really step out from behind the ‘puter and actually run as a netroot candidate. Looking in the mirror and seeing a toothless-old queer grandma with inchlong hair and tattoo, I know it sure isn’t me…but somebody should be able to survive those shark-infested waters.
If the netroots “agendas” are as sound as I think they are, it would be worth having our own candidates who are of us out there.
luck trex – fingers and toes crossed
hmm, still looks a little damp in here…impressive cannonball, Suzanne!
Finally back on line, back in touch with news, a dismal spirit pervades. Sigh.
Only personal good news the last week is that grandson allowed me to be a t-rex over the weekend. Bad news is that it was merely that Godzilla needed a suitably-sized opponent. I made a most impressive crash when tackled by Godzilla.
Marretta @ 144
I agree with that. And as Teddy mentioned last night, being so isolated.
darkblack @ 184
I dasn’t!!! ;-)
TexBetsy @ 109
Gotta get a couple pairs of those for my boys, they are dino mad! My son saw TRex’s tag on a post and thought I was talking to a real dino. Mom’s cool factor jumped massively. He’s only 6, time enough for mom to become a total loser.
darkblack @ 184
I wouldn’t know, filthy hippies.
Denver Convention Center, hint, hint…Centrally located in downtown Denver, walking distance to some great restaurants, bars and coffeeshops, and the light rail goes THROUGH the center….plus, I live here!
swag @ 136
Damn them to hell for their cheating ways.
LoudounLib @ 146
At the double nickle, so I think I’m a full blown geezer.
yellowdog jim @ 141
Not true. A former friend of mine who was a heroin user (15 years, starting at age 14)got serious liver problems.
mui — thanks for the clarification, but I figured the comment was yours.
Sorry, my niece’s problems are consistent with second-hand smoke exposure or other airborne pollution exposure in utero, and not hereditary genetic abnormalities. And since her mother was working 40 hours a week in one of the most popular bars in a city of sizeable population, exposure was chronic.
Believe it or not, I have been putting some thought into running for my town’s Congressional seat. I need to talk to Jane first.
TRex @ 135
DemocracyFest on the other hand was a blast. We came happy and we left happy. We had the advantage over kos in that the whole party was run by Deaniacs. They’re the folks who did that whole “September to Remember” thing back in 03.
You folks were in Chicago and I bet there wasn’t a tin foil hat to be found anywhere. We’ve all been banned! Duh!
And what’s with all this slimy schmoozy MSM bullshit? Why these folks were allowed to be anything but observers is beyond me.
I only go to kos now when a diary is recommended by a blogger I respect.
I’ll be bringing Gizmo to DemocracyFest next year. Book early.
LS @ 197
You left out the ‘Dirty’ in DFH!!! ;-)
Night all, wishing Big Bamboo dreams of a free republic, and competent leaders.
DrDick @ 200
You, kids – by the way, can women be geezers?
darkblack @ 184
nearly didn’t make out Abu there:
well done, again, DB.
thanks
CTuttle @ 195
LS @ 197
Good for you two…Steer clear of that sort of riffraff, they’ll damage your chromosomes and credit rating.
;>)
Margot @ 152
The Burger Bar. Ordered into a gizmo by the window, and someone skated out with the best fries and burgers imaginable!
mui @ 201
A wonderful registered nurse at a major metropolitan medical center died on the table waiting for a liver transplant. She was not an addict.
Eureka Springs @ 125
montag @ 160
Would love to see Cheney burning in front of the Regent’s main building.
Twain @ 207
I consider myself a geezerette.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 213
Nice. I’ll be one with you.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 213
Hey NDFG! Good to see ya!
TRex @ 203
I would be happy to donate to the CAUSE!
mui @ 201
persiflage @ 162
Air quality sucks here (vacillating between poor and Level One Alert), which is the main reason I can’t go hiking. there are still plenty of areas to hike which are not on fire, but the freakin’ smoke is everywhere. This morning I could barely see the mountains a mile away and the nearest fire is 30 miles away.
TeddySanFran @ 199
I know! Son of a B! It makes me so goldarned mad!
TeddySanFran @ 199
It would tied up by two things, the Wacky Ninth, and Scotus! It will take years to resolve!!!
Nice seein’ you in Chi-Town TRex. Unfortunately I didn’t get to meet and greet as many FDLers as I wanted to.
AZ Matt @ 216
OT..but it looks like Bush was right, August is going to be a bloody month in Iraq. I think they tried to hold casualties down in July but in August they have doubled in 24 hours; from ~10 to 18 kia’s as of the 6th.
The focus has to be on defeating as many Republicans as possible in ‘08. They are the enemy..pissing and moaning about the Dems is counter productive and playing into Rove’s game.
http://icasualties.org/oif/prd…..Ref=8-2007
@119 i replied to the wrong comment.
but you already knew that.
now i do too.
darkblack @ 163
Was at a couple of parties in Oklahoma where that was one joint.
TRex- state or national?
Wanted to chime in on my experience at YKos briefly. Actually took an earlier flight back to CA on Sunday am instead of pm. Was nice to have all day to recuperate but am still wiped out.
I found highs and lows — the latter was definitely the location of the convention. So far from feeling any connection to Chicago. After the TIme/Swampland party, I took a cab with some others to boys town for some fun. But that made for one pricey evening between drinks and taxis. It was a real drag feeling stuck at McCormick.
For me, the FISA issue was also a real downer, compounded by the sheer bewilderment by the actions of the Dems. Curious what kind of reaction Reid, Pelosi, Emanual would have received had they come on Saturday.
It was great to meet so many people in person. And TRex’s question and the whole panel was pretty fascinating. But the sheer numbers were also a bit overwhelming. Less of a personal connection somehow.
Once was probably enough, although a college setting or some other locale may do the trick if the agenda sounds interesting.
TexBetsy @ 215
Depends on what the definition of geezer is. Once you believe you are a geezer, I guess you are a geezer.
Here is to postive thoughts the fires stay no closer than 30 miles away, Dr (pause) Dick
no one remembers as far back as 119, jim!
persiflage @ 217
There’s also the communal needle issues–liver problems associated with smack use certainly invites speculation that one or more types of hepatitis was involved.
DrDick @ 218
Are you safe where you are? Is there a chance you might have to leave? Hope all is well. Take care
I would be willing to throw some bucks for TRex for Congress. A good “RAHHHR” echoing down the hallowed halls would be therapeutic for all of us!
Rayne @ 202
Rayne that link to to the study you provided is more investigatory than conclusive.
TexBetsy @ 215
Hi TexB! Sorry to hear the food was so pricey but glad you got to stay for a little sight-seeing.
Trex in ‘08!!!
Twain @ 223
Me, too. Go, TRex
LS @ 176
Didn’t Chimpy pull a 360 for the cameras? Is that all they let him do? Saw it on Countdown, where they cut the clip short, but that’s sure what it looked like to me.
Steve-AR @ 224
thank you.
good point.
well made.
hear, hear!
Greetings people; is it permisible here at your late night to post a link to something like the following?
I’ve lurked/read tons here during “info snacks” during my lunchtime at work, but am not aware of any rules for night. Today’s FISA crap killed me. My response is here: http://theunconventionalconven…..gspot.com/
A gentle rebuke will suffice if unnacceptable.
thanks
persiflage @ 217
G’day, Sheila! Mother Nature doesn’t kill, synthetics do!!! ;-)
TRex @ 203
Hmmm…I wonder where you might find some funding?
Man, I’d be hitting your donation station right quick! That would be amazing. All politics is local as they say. Look at that shit they’re trying to pull in Cali right now. If there are enough real patriots in any state capitol, this crap would never see the light of day. Go for it! ATTACK! ATTTAACCCKKK!!!! AAAAATTTTAAACCCCKKKK!!!!!!
TRex @ 174
Yes, you got that right. As if in sync, all the corporate television media arrived at lunch on Saturday, and began to follow anybody with a laptop. We Michiganders were laughing because it seemed that anybody who borrowed Brainwrap’s computer would the entering the media portal — the cameras would descend immediately on the holder of the magic laptop. Yeesh.
And then the bit about the elevators being locked down because of security concerns, leading to frustrations for a number of wheelchair users…another stupid problem that shouldn’t have happened.
While we watching Hillary do the softshoe about campaign financing, our Constitution was being buried in Washington. The words she uttered were useless and empty, and for the benefit of an audience that wasn’t there in the confines of that ballroom. I watched the press descend on Peter Daou after the forum, and it became clear they weren’t covering the forum but covering Hillary for some purpose other than that which would encourage the development of the Netroots.
I only hope that young folks like the one I chatted with in the elevator don’t get jaded and disconnect; I hope they realize this power vacuum revealing itself in the lack of real action by our so-called leaders is an enormous opportunity.
While we may be disappointed about much of YKos, we must realize it’s up to us to step into the gap and lead.
run Trex run – it’ll be GREAT!!! now its time for me to get to bed – busy day tomorrow – night pups and take care texbetsy ;o)
TeddySanFran @ 238
I think I saw his head spin all the way around…I may be exaggerating…
TRex @ 188
TSF wuvs it when you talk dirty, dino-man.
darkblack @ 184
I’ve missed you darkblack.
DrDick @ 225
‘Gasp…Wheeze’
;>)
Geezerette is cute, but I prefer crone. Like witch, it has gotten some bad PR over the years, but I’ve finally embraced being a witch, once you get over that hurdle, calling yourself a crone is really a cakewalk.
Oh, and I agree about the younger generation. Admittedly, my daughter is an International Management major, but she knows her stuff, and so do her friends. They know a lot more than I did at their age.
unconventional conventionist @ 240
Welcome. I bookmarked your site and will read later. Thanks for joining us.
TSF @185, that was McJoan? I didn’t realize that. How disappointing.
Thanks for the other, too. ;-)
Please get all the drug talk out of your systems this week. Makes life in my house difficult sometimes.
unconventional conventionist @ 240
Welcome to the Lake. Late Nite encourages off topic.
Twain @ 250
Thanks! I appreciate it.
Hiya unconventional conventionist . Welcome.
Twain @ 232
Perfectly safe here. I live in the middle of town (almost literally) and the valley is mostly grasslands.
If God had wanted folks to get stoned, He would have created Marijuana.
Time for me to get some sleep so I can explore Chicago’s finest wheelchair repair shops in the morning. Ugh! See y’all from texas tomorrow night unless I crash.
Well, gotta get going.
Israel is warning their citizens about travel in a number of Arab countries, Jordan and Egypt as well as several others.
They seem to have a little more sanity when it comes to their warnings. I think they actually are motivated by facts and not some dickweeds belly.
Anyhow, looks like some troubles brewing out there.
Be careful one and all.
-GSD
LS @ 228
Ms Texas Betsy is a very sweet young thing.
While being still fully adult.
Cassie is a teen.
i feel late night fdl commenters are … on average, decades older than TexB. i am.
56 and counting.
(still able to count too.)
(pish, i can still do calculus.)
as father to an 8 yr old, i go by “geezer dad” sometimes.
haven’t been mistaken for his granddad …. yet.
Betsy, am i a geezer?
Thanks for these “welcomes.” I’m an art guy, not a lawyer or totally well habituated/informed blogger. Art types are messy, so thanks for your welcome.
Teddy, I was surprised at your age when I had a gander at TexB’s pixs! I thought you were younger! You’re certainly cutting edge and timely with your posts!!!
Ok,
Some folks here can remember $10 lids.
How many folks here remember when “Virtual Reality” came in sugar cubes?
TexBetsy @ 252
Just for the “record”, I don’t do drugs of any kind, rest assured TexBetsy, just joking. When I was a hippie, I guess almost 40 year ago, I smoked pot. It made me hyperventilate, so I stopped. End of story.
yellowdog jim @ 260
You are not a geezer and I am not a sweet young thing. But other than that ….
TexB,
Good luck with your flat tire.
Thanks for the snacks.
Night Darkblack, tell Charlton Heston to stay inside after sunset.
-GSD
yellowdog jim @ 239
This July was the deadliest July in Iraq for US troops. Ever.
7/07: 80
7/06: 43
7/05: 54
7/04: 54
7/03: 48
Progress? I think not.
TexBetsy @ 252
Yes, Ma’am. For the record this was long in the past and haven’t done anything for years (am actually allergic to the smoking stuff). Used to say I spent the first 30 years acquiring as many vices as I could and was going to spend the next thirty getting rid of them. Pretty much on track there.
LS @ 264
Cassie’s mom is in jail for heroin. That’s why it is such a sensitive topic. Especially when she’s dealing with adults she has on a pedestal to begin with.
unconventional conventionist @ 261
The messier the better…!!! ;-0
Subway Serenade @ 257
What a GOOD idea! LOL!
Air quality sucks here (vacillating between poor and Level One Alert), which is the main reason I can’t go hiking. there are still plenty of areas to hike which are not on fire, but the freakin’ smoke is everywhere. This morning I could barely see the mountains a mile away and the nearest fire is 30 miles away
Then take care and stay inside. My health-nut, non-smoking sister got quite sick a few years ago when the outer suburban area where she lives was surrounded by fires. I, on the other hand, fibbed to her about my arrival for a visit with her. I arrived a day before I was expected and took some me-time. Checked into a beautiful hotel, swam, got a massage etc. Then returned to my room to find that, not only could I not see the fabulous view of the city, I couldn’t see to the next block. Serves me right for fibbing to my sister.
Marretta @ 249
I like crone, and use it when i’m being serious, thoughtful, etc. Geezerette/curmudgeonette are for tongue-in-cheek, or upper-Midwest straight-faced humor.
Stop, please! My mother smoked through 6 children – the youngest is 52…no problems so far. I have seen people who smoked for decades without a problem. I have seen people who have never smoked and never been around smokers who have died from lung cancer.
Ban me if you want, but holier-than-thou does irritate me sometimes. Some people have road rage, which puts me at more risk than people who go outside to smoke.
This is pointless.
Oh, yes it will. The health risks of being more than 20 pounds overweight are equal and possibly greater than those of smoking a pack of cigarettes a day.
Babe, when you light up in my presence, we’re both at risk. If I eat a piece of cheesecake — scratch that, let’s say chocolate brownie — in your presence, you are not at risk, only I am, assuming you don’t join me in a brownie.
I have a niece who is developmentally challenged, born 2.5 months early. No family history of problems on either side, only cause known is her mother’s exposure to second hand smoke every night while she tended the family bar. In other words, there are also people who are not visible to us who are also at risk.
TexBetsy @ 269
Gotcha.
Unconventional,
“We have to be informed to post?” Slinks quietly to the nearest exit.
TRex @ 203
YOU GO!!!newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 213
What is it LS? I’m older but I’m still a babe?
Loo Hoo. @ 247
What a kind thing to say, Loo Hoo. Thank you.
GSD @ 266
That young man’s got some gun polishing to do.
;>)
Goodnight, GSD.
TeddySanFran @ 267
Nice retort for the current Repug meme!!!
CTuttle @ 241
Um, no. Her problem was akin to pre cirrhoses of the liver, much like alcoholics only accelerated. And she didn’t have hepatitis.
Granted I’ve heard of a grand old Chinese opera singer who was an old vintage opium addict (allowed by special dispensation in HK, because opera singers claim they cannot loosen their vocal chords and reach various pitches without )
TeddySanFran @ 267
I agree. My point was, I think they were trying to avoid four straight 100 KIA months.
Howie had a nice post up earlier about how well Eric Massa did at yKos. And, the good news that his non-starter primary oppo has dropped out.
here
Massa was really impressive during his FDL chat.
here
Loo Hoo. @ 277
Yeah!
Steve-AR @ 281
TexBetsy @ 258
Safe travels, and good night!
OregonCindy: Why would anyone ban you about that? FDL is different than most other places. Type away!
New Deal,
Having a variety of words to express how amazing we women of a certain are are can only be a good thing!
CTuttle @ 262
Never grew up, except on the outside. Certainly I don’t have the judgment or wisdom of a grown-up.
mui, you and I both know there are many studies out there on the topic, and most are far more conclusive. I’m tired and I’m not going spend any more time fighting your defense of second-hand smoke, we’re simply going to have to agree to disagree.
Okay, FirePups, I’m off to bed. I’m up too late once again, surprised my mother hasn’t kicked me offline as she has threatened to do while I’m here at her house on vacation. I don’t think she realizes my body clock is set on something like Mountain Time…or maybe even Central Time after four days in Chicago. If you ever feel like a geezer when you’re in your forties, just spend time with your folks and you’ll feel like you’re ten-years-old all over again.
Ah, can’t wait for the sound of the waves on the beach of the Greatest of Lakes lulling me to sleep. Just hope the stupid coyote that has woken me up twice in the last two weeks with its barking and baying from the nearby fen has already slinked off to hunt farther down the beach. ‘Niters, ‘Pups.
(waving g’nite to all the sleepy pups leaving)
unconventional conventionist @ 240
for my part, it was completely appreciated:
i need more opera.
i had hopes of placido or luciano or aretha giving us Nessun Dorma as we keep congress awake all night to protect from the FISA evil.
Steve-AR @ 281
It’s sickening when they tout a drop below 100 KIA’s per Month as ‘Progress’!!! One-a-day, is one too many!!! 8-(
montag @ 231
—————
You’re right. Every now and then some winger gets outraged about our needle-exchange service and wants to close it down. It’s been so effective in cutting the rates of HIV and HepC among users that I sometimes forget how serious the risks are.
unconventional conventionist @ 261
Welcome! Another art-type person here, chronically spacey-right-brained but the serious articulate folk seem to tolerate me;-) If not mentioned yet, it’s addictive if ya start posting.
TexBetsy @ 265
Are To!
Valley Girl @ 282
At YK, I was able to have a coupla great but short chats with Eric Massa as well as hear him speak at the “Left Behind by the Right” panel for recovering GOPers. He’s the kind of Fighting Dem we really, really need many more of in Congress. He lost by less than 1% to Evil Randy Kuhl and seems quite primed to win in Oh-Eight.
Omigosh! I’m just saying this site is one of the smartest outfits I’ve read. I hardly ever feel I can add something. But this FISA crap today stirred my Beethoven/Jefferson soul. I’ve previously contributed to others, but not here at the FDL before.
Per Justice Brandeis:
Emphasis mine.
TeddySanFran @ 288
I’ll take your judgment over Shrub’s any day!!!
yellowdog jim @ 295
You are an old far Geezer, if you believe you are! ;>
CTuttle @ 241
—————————
Chikka! Mother Nature does kill but at least she doesn’t cut her tsunamis with drain cleaner.
Valley Girl @ 282
He certainly was! I’m really liking these Liberals coming onto the scene that bust the phony “liberal stereotype” that Rush and Ruturd Murdoch have been pushing for so many years. It is possible to actually care about others and principles, but also be tough as nails.
Now we just need them to get leadership roles within Congress, and drive out the names that have been there forever, “leading” the Dems into irrelevancy, always telling us we don’t understand how Washington works. It’s about y’all realize you don’t understand how America works, ya tools! More of Massa please.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 294
You’ve noticed?!!! *g*
Rayne @ 289
Most studies are actually not conclusive. And much is contradictory. Not just on second hand smoke but on a lot of studies. Also the statistical ground work for these studies is often faulty, but they won’t tell you that, becuase one must get published and come up with something if one is spending grant money. I am questioning the authority on which others base their “authority”. I am tired of the demonizing and the financial penalties on “sinners” alcoholics, smokers and strippers alike and not defending “secondhand smoke.”
unconventional conventionist @ 297
It has been my experience that once delurked, it is dayam near impossible to return to just lurking.
Again, slow on the reading uptake. NEWDEAL FARM GIRL! I am so pissed about the latest has on the Farm Bill; AACCKK! http://theunconventionalconven…..art-3.html
persiflage @ 301
Now there’s some interesting wisdom.
Suzanne@305…
I’ve learned that even when I get way depressed and vow to relurk, I only last about three days before the “submit comment” button catches me again.
Marretta @ 287
Most of my friends have a great sense of humor about it…we laughed ourselves silly with our idea for a t-shirt; distraught-looking chicken with word-balloon “i used to be a gorgeous spring chicken, how the heck did i turn into this OLD HEN?!!!” My younger self would have been highly indignant about how demeaning that was…
TexBetsy @ 252
i take
10mg lexapro
10mg crestor
55mcg nasacort aq.
keep the coffee coming!
persiflage @ 301
Hmmm… I thought about it after I submitted it, She’s at least purer than Man!!!
OregonCindy @ 274
I really wish I had signed off before I saw your comment. You have a right to express yourself, of course.
Every person in my mother’s and in-law’s families who smoked or lived in a smoking household died about 10 years before their average life expectancy. If your family beats that, how wonderfully lucky you. Otherwise check back in 10 years and let us know how it’s going; you can admonish us more about our righteous attitude. (Smoking while pregnant is debated today as child abuse, in case you weren’t aware of this shift; it’s because of solid studies that have conclusively proven a link between negative fetal outcomes and smoking.)
Personally, I don’t believe anybody has a right to insist I inhale their smoke. If smoking was like a cup of coffee or a new pair of shoes — something that only impacted YOUR life and not mine — then I’d not have a problem with it. Kill yourself however you choose. I’d prefer to have a choice in the manner of my own death, thank you.
Ugh. Enough. This has been less about YKos and the Netroots tonight than it has been about substance abuse. I’m out of here.
I’m not gonna wade into the tobacco-smoke fights, but I gotta say that I think Late Nite is a place adults should be able to talk about adult topix. I know y’all are welcoming to the underage among us but I want you to know there’s some discomfort about it, specifically from me.
Just wanted to put that out there. I’m afraid of drug talk if caught by the Redheaded Prosecutor lady, but I think reminiscing about a long-ago joint in a purple caddy hardly qualifies as drug talk. And some of us haven’t gotten it outta our system.
So — more stories, please, Suz.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 309
Hmmmmmm.
TeddySanFran @ 296
TSF- thanks for the info. That is so encouraging. I loved the guy (can I say that?) when he did his FDL chat. And, later, we had several emails back and forth. He is truly impressive in the work he has done on all fronts- responding to emails, knocking on doors, etc. etc. I can’t give $$ to every BA candidate, but he is someone who will continue to get my $$.
Oh, yeah, donations can be made here
Marretta @ 287
Hi Marretta, nice to meet you. A few years ago a friend gave me a face cream called “Wise Woman Essence”. Since then we’ve called ourselves the Two Wise Women.
yellowdog jim @ 310
What the Hell is that?
wigwam @ 298
excellent!
as apt.
thank you very much.
unconventional conventionist @ 306
we do, however, like to limit blogwhoring and/or blogpimping to one per day – unless, of course, it is on topic with the post being discussed.
yellowdog jim @ 318
Heh.
CTuttle @ 303
well, the withdrawal headache isn’t quite as bad as a caffeine withdrawal headache but it’s getting there *g*
TeddySanFran @ 313
Thanks, Teddy. I wasn’t trying to encourage drug use – just pointing out how I learned from my experiences ducking The Man when I became The Man.
“The right of our fellow citizens to represent to the public functionaries their opinion on proceedings interesting to them is unquestionably a constitutional right, often useful, sometimes necessary, and will always be respectfully acknowledged by me.” –Thomas Jefferson to the New Haven Committee, 1801.
I am not getting this from the representative bodies for myself, frankly.
Well I just made a cheesecake and had a cigarette.. Does anyone remember strawberry rolling papers?
unconventional conventionist @ 306
Not articulate tonite, but a lot to do with honest-to-god/dess working farmers and farm policy makes me FURIOUS. Argghhh! So in my little way, i buy local, from local organic ol-fashioned farm families.
Eureka Springs @ 324
Vaguely, but I guess that is why.
LS @ 300
i don’t believe that i’m not a geezer too much.
the mirror reports the inevitable something or other.
this is why i seek the guidance of the much younger woman texB, to take a measure of geezerhood.
i can be a geezer, on demand, anyway.
the interest was more in the median age around these parts.
AND
how to get more younger folks involved,
for the movement,
for FDL,
and for Cassie.
I hate to be mean, but everyone else is yapping, so I will, too.
I am old. (Well, early 50s) and I remember as a teenager, that so many more smoked then. And Americans weren’t as fat. (Oh, and I never heard whining about “2nd hand smoke” which I say is either hysteria on the 2nd-hand-smoker’s part OR something else. Because it sure isn’t because of 2nd hand cig smoke. Use your F-ing head!
Guess what? People were healthier back then, too. Is that because of more smokers? Fewer overweight Americans? More people could visit a physician? The air in general? I don’t know, but I will tell you, I am sick to death of these “2nd hand smoke makes me SICK!” weirdos strolling to the mall, through all the other fumes, be they from automobiles, buses, industrial chimneys, etc. No problem! You see, it’s just the CIGARETTE smoke that makes them sick.
Dummies.
I personally think there is a difference between substance abuse and Entheogenesis. Sorry if that offends anyone. There are things in this world that foster pan dimensional thought. It’s rooted in ancient traditions and has nothing to do with abuse.
Eureka Springs @ 324
I remember that gawd-awful Strawberry Hill wine
Did not realize that composing my comment overlapped with TexB’s signoff; perhaps she and I can continue this off-blog when she’s home and we’re both rested….
Suzanne @ 330
Hmmm. By the gallon if I recall (rather vaguely), but it went well with the strawberry rolling papers.
Eureka Springs @ 324
No, I come from the Clove cigarette era. Yeck.
LS @ 307
What a polite way to tell me that I’m a little odd! Thanks, LS.
Eureka Springs @ 324
AWESOME!
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 325
I have a “ranch”, I heard they wanted to register ever animal, every movement, etc., of everthing other than people, and charge a “fee” for everything. Isn’t that a sneaky tax or tariff?
Suzanne @ 319
Very well. I understand. And good to know!
Shell5960 @ 328
oh, i’m so relieved. it’s just my imagination that caused trips to the emergency room for acute asthma attacks when caught unexpectedly by large amounts of cigarette smoke.
TeddySanFran @ 331
TSF- that is a gracious comment on your part. I don’t want to offend anyone’s sensibilities, TexB or others, but we really do have to be able to say what we want to say on Late Nite from our own perspectives. Sorry if I am being oblique. Thumbs up.
$9? What sort of smokery is THIS?
Figured you might not, uc, and wanted ya to know. Also, brand name prescription drugs, various anatomical body parts are among the words that, if unmodified with an *, will get your comment caught in the filters. The Mod Squad tries to free ‘em as soon as they are caught.
TeddySanFran @ 296
Funny sidenote, When I saw the Massa placard, someone was standing in front of the Ma. I thought, holy moly. Issa is here.
LS @ 336
The Republican way of taxing without calling it a tax…
Suzanne @ 322
I do not encourage drug use either, especially among minors – But there are certain non-narcotic substances whose illegality is based on the need for a controlling element of society to exert their will on others.
And I would second what TSF wrote…While we should all strive to be as inclusionary as possible, I am not modifying my conversational content to suit the needs of youths whom I have never met within the confines of a supposedly ‘adult’ forum.
omg Issa Massa
unconventional conventionist @ 297
Welcome!
persiflage @ 334
It was a compliment.
Subway Serenade @ 329
to add a little complication to our drug talk:
wouldn’t tobacco be a entheogen for some native Americans?
My friend across the street graduated from high school a year before I did. His parents had a big party with cases of “Ripple” the ring-a-ding-ding- drink….
There were several cases left over- so we spent several nights polishing off the surplus—Ripple tastes great both goin down an comin up again.
rwcole @ 340
Cheap.
rwcole @ 349
Ouch. Headache.
LS @ 347
Which is how I took it. Thanks
Agree on the location T-rex. It was tiring beyond measure and often I would leave one panel before it had completed knowing it would take me forevaaa to walk to the next one.
Wish I could have met you. The other suggestion for next gathering would be to have a bank of computers set up for those of us without the means for the laptop. Some of us missed out on some pretty important info here at the lake.
But the people — that was the best part. Especially meeting a lady named Alice who disagreed with Juan Cole about a certain topic and Prof. Cole asked her to come to the podium to speak. she did and she was a real treasure. She was a civil rights attorney in Louisiana back in her ‘day’ and she is still as bright and gutsy as ever.
So many people … so many memories.
persiflage @ 352
Thank goddess.
yellowdog jim @ 348
It was/is, but as such was only used sacramentally and not for recreational purposes. Several tribes had two different varieties, one for religious use and one for recreational use.
Eureka Springs @ 324
Okay. Now THAT was funny. Enough said.
yellowdog jim @ 348
Not sure. I’ve never smoked tobacco, but I’m told it’s more of a “Body High” than an Entheogen.
rwcole @ 349
Erlack. Bad college memories…Ripple plus Everclear plus tabs of acid plus sliced oranges, stir well in a large bucket and see if it passes for sangria while playing Monopoly and smoking a little…can’t stand playing Monopoly to this day.
Back from the Bourne movie with Ms. ET. One big chase scene.
Now ya got me thinking- when I smoked cigarettes- was it recreational? Didn’t seem too recreational- but it didn’t seem religious either.
Like Lily von Schtupp’s men, I’m coming and going, but I had to spread the word, if it isn’t out already, that the Weekly World News is going under.
Sniff.
I smoke Native American cigarettes…that doesn’t help.
Subway Serenade @ 357
Some of the varieties used sacramentally were much stronger than modern commercial varieties. Also the psychoactive effects of nicotine are much more pronounced when used sparingly (it can even cause mild hallucinations).
Ed*ard Teller @ 359
But a damn fine chase scene…
I don’t smoke any cigarettes anymore (sob) but if I did- I’d smoke the ones in the blue package.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 358
ROTFLMAO! Been there, done that. It’s a miracle I survived.
I smoke. I stopped once for three years. Stopped several times for between a few months and several months. Crazy, eh? My dad stopped when he was 60 and lived to be 89. I should too. I haven’t smoked inside a house or a car in about 22 years. I try to respect others’ wishes about smoking whenever possible.
I hate cigarettes! Anybody here who is young – never ever smoke a fucking tobacco cigarette!!!
TeddySanFran @ 313
Agreed. And there’s the time Nancy and I were pulled over in her VW that smelled to high heaven. We convinced the cop that it was the sell of pachuli (sp) oil. Those were some fun old days. If only Nancy had turned her headlights on…
Key principle of youth- if a little’s good a LOT is better..
Loo Hoo. @ 368
Today, they would say, What the hell is pachoooli???
Rex is upstairs now!
Ed*ard Teller @ 367
i agree. Haven’t had a cig in 25 yrs but take no credit. I stopped one month b4 becoming pregnant with my first, then spent the next 9 months being violently sick every time i smelled cigarette smoke. That negative conditioning has kept me smokeless whereas all the other times i tried to quit only lasted months at most.
If I get to be 80 I intend to start smokin again- sort of freebies at that point I figure-
Always wondered why 80 year old people get conservative- hell- they don’t have much to lose!
Ed*ard Teller @ 367
Agreed. I smoked for 2-3 packs a day for 30 years. Hardest thing I ever did was to quit. Tried at least a dozen times before I got it right. That was 11 years ago and I am grateful every day.
Persiflage,
Hey someone out there sells “tired old ass,” bath salts! I told my husband I want some of that stuff for Christmas!
Actually, age is totally a thing of the mind, (okay, except for the gravity part.) I’m 48 and some of the ladies in my water aerobics class are in their seventies and they are role models for me. I don’t mind getting old, but I want to be a juicy, vibrant, opinionated old lady. It’s good to have goals.
18 year old people, on the other hand, have no fear of dyin at all- they drive 100 mph down narrow windy roads and never think a thing about it- they’ve got 70 years to lose. Go figure.
Joo should have gone all Jurassic Park on Carney.
He’s such a bobo.
so.
unconventional conventionist @ 240
Bookmarked, and many thanks.
DrDick @ 355
i have taken the meaning of “entheogens” as implying sacramental usage only,
even if not in a strictly religious sense.
whereas, i see de rastas doing some sacramenting on the greatness of ja steady now.
they named the natural agonist of the CB1 cannabinoid receptor Anandamide: “the bliss drug”.
maybe bliss chemical is better(?)?
TRex @ 90
You were AWESOME TRex. And kindness itself when I introduced myself later.
I was so totally bummed not to make the FDL caucus and meet more Firepups, but I also am physically challenged, and after scrambling from one place to another to make sure I fulfilled my caucus commitment, my knees were screaming at me so loud I had to go up to my room and ice them down.
Finally on Saturday, I broke down and rented a scooter-of which there was exactly one left. I’d never have made the presidential breakouts up in the aerie if not for that.
Shell5960 @ 328
newdealfarmgrrrll @338
My impression is that a lot of factors can trigger asthma attacks. allergens, stress etc. There’s also a psychological element and I’m not saying your attacks are not real, but cigarette smokers are very convenient scapegoats, when in fact we do live in a world filled with all kinds of environmental hazards.
Coming from a “medical family”, it is my humble and cynical opinion that medicine has never been a precise science and it is not immune from politics or society. You only have to watch school scare films and old medical documentaries to see different “causes” of badness, different “bogeyman”, same old same old. So called “breakthroughs” and progress are not necessarily progress, it is just living in a different era.
Love that you’re home again, TRex. It was lonely but better now…..
tgrdug
newdealfarmgrrrlll –
“oh, i’m so relieved. it’s just my imagination that caused trips to the emergency room for acute asthma attacks when caught unexpectedly by large amounts of cigarette smoke.”
**************
No. 1 — you are damn lucky to be able to go to the E.R. without being bankrupted.
No. 2 — I have no idea whether cigarette smoke caused your “acute asthma.” Maybe it is psychosomatic. Maybe it is real and caused from something else.
But I DO know this: there weren’t the thousands of cases of asthma back in the day when there was much more smoking. Why do you suppose that is? Or do you just prefer to be a victim, rather than find out WHY.
By the way, my father smoked cigarettes for 45 years and then a pipe for 25 more years. He died of old age at 92. My mother also smoked for decades and is still running around at age 83.
Neither ever had asthma. Why do you suppose that is?
Doesn’t anyone ever THINK anymore? Or is it just the “I am a VICTIM” era?
Hey, I was a volunteer and got to hear a lot of reasons etc. One thing about the big huge space…
we were supposed to be in the hyatt convention center across the street, which was a lot smaller and things more close together but it was not finished in time… and so we had to do the whole big space thing.
it would not have solved the 9$ smokes issue but I know most convetion centers have jacked up prices.
I know the organizers had trouble getting a space, they were trying for the one near navy pier but they wouldn’t take us, and the other option was way out in the airport area and then would really have been trapped.
my hope is in the future they will do it in a city like philadelphia where the convention center is a PART of downtown. that keeps prices down too as you can always leave the center and go to regular mom and pop shops.
I know Gina and the team will take this all into consideration and I am sure some or all of the issues will be fixed next time around so please please don’t give up yet.
Loo Hoo. @ 45
In many cases, MORE than Olbermann! I hope we can get him for next year’s Netroots Nation convention!
TRex @ 90
Ohhhhhh. I’m really REALLY sorry I missed that.
No wonder Mikey and Jay are looking to sink their little teeth into your gargantuan toes ! :D