If it is determined that there are enemies of the nation within the Bush administration can they be wiretapped by the NSA?

I sure hope so.

David Ehrenstein @ 35

Tomansky is ac omplete wuss.

Impeachment is the very least we can do. And the fact that we can’t do it because some Kapos claim it would be “distruptive” is beyond disgusting.

Future generations (if there are any and I’m beginning to doubt there will be) will regard us all as the Nazi collaborators that we truly are for giving these monsters a pass.

Someone suggested that using the illegal wiretaps as a reason to impeach has just evaporated. Intended consequence???

I can hear the Pugs now screaming “But YOU voted for it! YOU voted for IT! How can you say it was IMPEACHABLE, when you voted FOR IT!”

Just read the Webb statement. Weak – very weak.

So he chose to believe the D members of the Intelligence Committee, who chose to believe some presentation by the Bush administration, they of the stellar reputation for truthfulness.

4th Amendment? Nowhere in sight.

The Chair of the SSIC (Rockefeller) voted AGAINST IT! As did Reid, the other member of the “Gang of 8″ who is “fully” briefed on the content of the law. On the House side no present of former Democratic member of the “Gang of 8″ supported the Senate (Bush) bill.

It’s no surprise to me that there was no impeachment forum at the YKos convention. . . .

Start to finish, spot on.

Rightous, too.

Thanks.

Tomasky’s right. It’s too early to go for articles of impeachment. . . . .

Love the sound of your bark, Tan!!

Adm. Mullen has been WAY outspoken for a Bushie Stooge . . . he’s hope for us all.

As much as I hate to concur, your general view (which you’ve spouted for 2 years or more now now) that to get out of this alive, we have to brand the Iraq War on The Bushie’s Forehead all the way up to Election Day, in order to BURY them, well . . . given all the failings we’ve had on the Dem Side, your general view is all that’s left to hope for.

And until the blogosphere, the BIG DOGS of the blogosphere, who are now so obviously dominated by MSM goals and desires to be noticed, funded, and now unionized, until the blogosphere GETS it, it will be Bush Lite and no constitutional rights for anyone.

We all now have to proceed with a complete dismantlement of what we have for a system of government and begin replacing each and every elected official beholden to big money.

Rebuild our government one rep, one district at a time . . . hard work.

The key is in defining an making the 9th Amendment operational. It is the Hidden Imam, the Arc of the Covenant, the Holy of Holies of the American Democratic experiment. It reserves the powers not elsewhere delegated for the people. This Amendment created the concept “King of His Own Castle.”

What you do on your own property, assuming you are the “Lord of the Fee”, you are sovereign. You can fuck, smoke, dance, shout, pray, sing, and think what you may. But you are not allowed to exercise these rights. Because the branches of government and the ecclesiastical governments of the churches, and the MPAA believe that only the trained and sanctioned should have such freedom…because your moral soul is at risk.

So give me the 9th or give me death. This is the keystone to American liberty. This is why we fight.

selise says:
August 6th, 2007 at 1:11 pm

pow wow @ 230 -

i’m way behind and now deep in epu land.

pow wow – i called the rules committee and was told that there was no meeting on saturday. then i called congressman mcgovern (vice-chair of the rules committee and my rep)’s office. the rules aide was not there, but i spoke to the aide who worked on fisa (jay) and was told that he thought the rules committee might have met but he wasn’t sure… he took my name an phone number and told me he’d ask the rules aide to call me back.

will look for you when i learn more (or if you are willing – email me at speakeasy dot net and i’ll let you know directly what i hear).

Just checked back here. Sorry to take so long to respond. Absolutely copy and post away with anything that is of help (on this or other comments). Also note my follow-up comment late in the next thread [the ‘Hard Knock Life’ thread - in which I reposted the comment at 173 here near the top with an extra line or two from the Congressional Record, so you might want to use that version instead], that the Rules Committee Caveat part of my comment at 173 here may be (and I think is) wrong. We need to confirm whether or not the Rules Committee met on Saturday with a staffer or member (Christy for one is working the phones on this issue today, as indicated in the next thread).

And I want to concur with the others: that’s an outstanding suggestion of yours @ 50 for Pat Leahy about Mr. Tamm (if he is in fact the whistleblower, and even if he could only testify in closed session to the Intelligence Committees). That raid infuriates me.

Is the unilateral invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation that posed no imminent threat to the U.S. an American Principle?

Is fraudulently selling that invasion based on KNOWN false evidence, to a Joint Session of Congress (01/28/03) an American Principle?

Is indefinite detention of persons suspected and accused but not charged or tried nor found guilty an American Principle?

Is attempting to withhold Habeas Corpus Rights and Due Process from persons suspected and not charged an American Principle?

Is choosing which Treaties and Conventions to follow based on convenience an American Principle?

Is torture an American Principle?

Is warrentless wiretapping of American citizens an American Principle?

Is the rewriting of National Security Letters so as to cover what was otherwise illegally seized an American Principle?

Is the the politicization of the DoJ an American Principle?

Is signing unconstitutional bills into Law an American Principle?

Is usurping the co-equal Branches of our Government via signing statements an American Principle?

Is being involved in the outing a covert CIA agent an American Principle?

THE – NEW – AMERICAN – PRINCIPLES?

They are when good men do nothing, letting worse men institute new policies that set the groundwork for unAmerican principles to take root. Even worse is when good men accommodate the worse men and vote to enshrine these new principles into laws, theories, and other principles of being. Egregiously far worse, is when good men continue to do nothing thus codifying these new principles, inturn validating these worse men as exceptional men for their wisdom and brilliance at undermining what Real American Principles are.

So Congress,
It is times like this where facades MUST fall. What are your American Principles and how do you comport them into your Duty? You aren’t supporting and defending the Constitution of the USA, when you allow and tolerate the usurpations of the Constitution of the U.S.A. and the Constitutional Laws derived from therein.

Impeach and Convict those who have perpetrated these crimes against the people.

Then – End this war!

If certain acts in violation of treaties are crimes, they are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them, and we are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal, conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us.
- Justice Robert Jackson, Chief Prosecutor for the United States, Nuremberg Tribunals, 1947