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It just seems to me that conservatives are forever having meetings and conventions and the like,whereas liberals have little outside of major “blue”metropolitan areas(NYC,DC,LA,etc).That really needs to change,especially in the Southeast. I know the current wisdom is that Dems don’t need the South,but ya know,some of us in the South NEED the Dems. Just sayin’.

I suspect there are plenty in the South who didn’t quite feel the shock of not receiving federal government assistance when Katrina devastated the Gulf coast. We’ll probably have to have more of those destroying Red states before the public gets the idea (finally) that they DO need government and Dems are pretty good at that.

I’d suggest ripping out all the interstate highways to let ‘em know what it’s like to do without federal government help, but I’ve been chided for even suggesting that. Now we’ve got Katrina and they still don’t know that ’small government, low taxes’ Republicans will let NOLA die and bridges collapse without blinking an eye.

Do you sense something dark in the water, too, egregious? I have a feeling that the administration has been extorting performance from Congress: Chertoff’s ominous “gut feeling”, executive orders freezing assets with a simultaneous declaration of a national security, other niggling little datapoints…

Nobody launches new product in August, remember. I think they are gaming us all with that in mind.

How long have I been saying this????

Everything is being done in the open and not one Democratic congress person…not fucking one….can say s/he was unaware of what was happening.

I’ve been reading and re-reading everything I can get my hands on about how Hitler came to power. The Night and Fog order whereby people just disappeared and weren’t heard from again, the laws to “purify” the civil service thereby removing Jews and other suspect people from positions where they could have helped stop the movement.

Most importantly, a secret meeting Hitler held with the leading industrialists in 1932; this followed a similar meeting at Himmler’s house where Himmler laid out Hitler’s program in stark detail, right down to the Final Solution.

I equate this with Bush’s meeting with influential Christian fundies to which no media was privy and of which we know nothing to this day and Cheney’s secret energy task force.

I believe Bush and Cheney told their zealot Christain buddies that all civil liberties would be suspended but that this was needed to correct the wayward direction America was headed.

Cheney told his oil company buddies that there would be a free-for-all for American businesses and that there would be tons and tons of profits to be made because the administration was going to do away with regulation and tax burdens and that there would be absolutely no repercussions.

In all these things they have been right…Deocrats have been shut down just like the social democrats and socilaists were shot down in the run up to WWII.

If what occurred after WWII is any indication, there will be NO punishments for the people who have ruined this country and none of them will ever see jail. If you doubt me read up on what happened when it came time to prosecute former Nazis and denazify German industries….the Allies were the biggest impediment to investigating and prosecuting war criminal.

Bayh is Lieberman-lite as far as his views about bi-partisanship. I heard him speak here in Indy; he’s basically in favor of bring not even a knife, but rather flowers and candy, to a gun fight. *But*, he usually votes correctly.

As of yesterday, his voice-mail in the D.C. office stiil had space, though I chewed some of it up. You can find all of his contact info here:

http://bayh.senate.gov/index2.html

Oh, he is soooo Lieberman, jayt. I just emailed 150 of my close personal friends (((GRIN))) with his and Joe Donnelly’s contact information along with the post by Meteor Blades about the FISA legislation and asked them to pass it on to their close personal friends.

Bayh is a DLC’er.

looseheadprop @ 150

EG,
I f you are suggesting that Pelosi has reason to believe that the WH would phyically harm Amrican citzens in order to stage a mock Terrorist event–

Then Pelosi had an obligation to blow the whistle. Out loud. And intead of caving in to gutting the constitutiton she could have propsed legilaion to empower a new special prosecutor law.

i think coming on the heels of apress conferenvce outing such a plot, that legislation would pass on unanimous consent.

Therefore, I can’t buy into you theory. It cuts the other way

This is one of the more powerful exchanges I have read here or on any site! It takes us back to Anthrax (and still no findings), 9/11 and Tillman. I am a rationalist and think that there must have been some reason that they thought was viable. But the sham of what they did sticks in the throat. And, I can’t help but think that for far too many it was the 1) STILL anxiousthat they would be labeled back home as soft on terra; 2) sticking to a policy to use this to shovel more blame on the rethugs later (i.e. they did everything they were asked to do and the Preznit and his party still fucked up- the Constitution be damned, as well as our soldiers. And by the way, this is just a prelude for September when they WILL vote to continue th Surge because, well, just because (since there is NO evidence it is working).

I don’t get it though, no matter what the Dems do, the Rethuglicans will always say the same damn things. They’ll always blame the Dems.

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Nola Sue @ 148

Right!

The think that galls me most is that the Ds are now following the Rs’ M.O.: party above country.

It’s wrong when they do it, and it wrong when we do it.

Which is why, IMO, the single most important issue we need to focus on (’scusing saving our Constitution, of course) is public campaign financing. Until we get the money out, we’ll never make meaningful change to anything else: war, energy, healthcare, environment, etc.

So how do you get the people who profit most from money being in politics to vote against that? They are the ones that make the laws,they aren’t gonna do away with the money.They might make a dinner here or a trip there illegal,but at the end of the day,it doesn’t make a dent in the corruption. All our elected officials are wealthy,they like money. IMO it’s money that’s coming before country,before party,before everything else.

We’re getting EPUd here, and I’m definitely no expert. But from what I’ve understood, many politicians would be glad to ditch the fundraising part of their job description. And we’d be glad to have them focused on doing their jobs and not beholden to big-money interests.

egregious @ 135

Here is the only logical explanation I can come up with for the behavior of Congress, why even good guys voted for this monster.

I am not asking anyone to believe any kind of theory, only to walk thru this “if – then” approach.

If you had an element of the government that was willing to terrorize its own citizens, not just once but multiple times, an event could be arranged for August and blamed on the Dems if they didn’t pass this.

The result would be not only damage to part of the country, but anger that would end up in Dems being branded as traitors. All the momentum we are building to restore constitutional government and end the war would evaporate.

Pelosi said that only about half of what is going on is known to the public. Maybe it’s an iceberg, and the dark part is greater than we see. I give her the benefit of the doubt in steering us away from another titanic disaster.

EG,
I f you are suggesting that Pelosi has reason to believe that the WH would phyically harm Amrican citzens in order to stage a mock Terrorist event–

Then Pelosi had an obligation to blow the whistle. Out loud. And intead of caving in to gutting the constitutiton she could have propsed legilaion to empower a new special prosecutor law.

i think coming on the heels of apress conferenvce outing such a plot, that legislation would pass on unanimous consent.

Therefore, I can’t buy into you theory. It cuts the other way

This is one of the more powerful exchanges I have read here or on any site! It takes us back to Anthrax (and still no findings), 9/11 and Tillman. I am a rationalist and think that there must have been some reason that they thought was viable. But the sham of what they did sticks in the throat. And, I can’t help but think that for far too many it was the 1) STILL anxiousthat they would be labeled back home as soft on terra; 2) sticking to a policy to use this to shovel more blame on the rethugs later (i.e. they did everything they were asked to do and the Preznit and his party still fucked up- the Constitution be damned, as well as our soldiers. And by the way, this is just a prelude for September when they WILL vote to continue th Surge because, well, just because (since there is NO evidence it is working).

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My favorite war blog is War Nerd, Gary Brecher, not only because he’s got the most knowledge of anyone I’ve read, but also because he’s way over the top with irreverance. My kinda guy. Here’s where you can scan his columns:
http://www.exile.ru/archive/by….._nerd.html
Here’s his description of Pushtuns:
and here’s the full article:
http://www.exile.ru/2006-Septe….._nerd.html
(If you’re worried about being spied on, please not that this site has a Russian url. Very subversive.)

Wow; you call that irreverant? He sounds like a racist to me.