Once upon a time, there was a guy named Vince Foster. Vince Foster was a childhood friend of Bill Clinton, and when Bill Clinton became President Clinton, Vince Foster became part of Clinton’s team of advisors.
Vince Foster and his friends Bill and Hillary were attacked, constantly, by the Washington media elite, which then as now took its cues from the Republican opinion tastemakers who’d been in charge since the Reagan era. The attacks hit Foster particularly hard, and he wound up killing himself over them — and leaving a note attacking his media tormentors, particularly those who made up the Wall Street Journal’s rabidly conservative editorial staff, who, as he said, “lie without consequence“.
Did this cause his right-wing attackers to suffer any pangs of conscience? Of course not. They simply started accusing the Clintons — his best friends — of having him murdered. Never apologize, never explain.
Fast-forward to 2001. Jenna and Barbara Bush, the young daughters of the White House’s newest occupant, were busted for underage drinking at Chuy’s in Austin. The response of the “now the grownups are in charge” conservatives was to try to destroy the people who busted them. Never apologize, never explain.
Six years later — an attack, a war of imperial choice that turned out disastrously, and the beginnings of a popular revolt against the conservative Imperium. The Cons are twitchy; many of the saner ones have left the movement, and the remaining ones, without anyone to rein them in, become a bit more unhinged as the evidence keeps mounting that they simply cannot will objective reality to go away. But that doesn’t mean that they won’t stop trying. Their target: An Iraqi police captain named Jamil Hussein, who dared say some things they didn’t like. They tried to claim he didn’t really exist, and forced him to go public — and immediately become a target for Iraqi insurgents. Did the righties attacking ever say they were sorry for ruining his life? Of course not: Never apologize, never explain.
This summer’s Jamil Hussein is Private Scott Thomas Beauchamp, who incurred the wrath of the righties by daring, as Jamil Hussein did, to say things that the righties didn’t like. Beauchamp did so under the alias “Scott Thomas” in an article for The New Republic. As with Jamil Hussein, the righties at first claimed he didn’t exist, and even got the Washington Post to uncritically spread and legitimize their claims (with, as it turned out, bogus backing from a porn actor and prostitute named Matt Sanchez, who was also in the Marines’ Individual Ready Reserve and who is currently facing fraud charges); when it was shown that he did, they set out to destroy him.
Never apologize, never explain.
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Republican DNA now is primarily Joe McCarthy-based, not Lincoln-based.
Unprincipled, cruel, destructive, and ultimately the greatest form of self-revelation: Since they have no interest in the common good, they are only in politics for the power, and therefore they are the least worthy to be trusted.
PW !!!!!
PW, spot on. The reichwing never apologizes, ever. But if anyone speaks the truth and they don’t like it, they turn into howler monkeys until they get an apology. Like Sen. Durbin being horrified by the things going on in Iraq by some of our troops. I still don’t understand why he caved.
attack, Attack, ATTACK, ATTACK!!!! the Rightwing proto-Fascist machinery.
Recruit new voters, young and old.
Re-enfranchise African-Americans in the Southeast and in the cities.
Tell the truth!
We can win, but it is going to be a lot of hard work. We need to win 25 more House seats and at least three more Senate seats. That is all within the progressive wing of the Democratic Party’s reach if we work hard, use discipline, and Attack!
‘Reality’ TV is close to the GOP philosophy of life: you win best by crushing and humiliating your opponents, making them insignificant and irrelevant. Nothing fair or balanced about it, and no acknowledgment that your opponents are real people.
“Never apologize, never explain, never have any more credibility than a runny pile of dog shit except with those people who enjoy licking up runny piles of dog shit.”
That’s why it works so well with GOPers
Anyone else see the dicks on Rove’s lapels? :-)
Richmond @ 10
You mean the one’s flanking the one on top of his neck?
Richmond @ 10
Yeah, those dicks belong to Mike Raffone.
Richmond @ 10
eeewwwwwwwww
My squeeze and me are home finally. She’s in the pool and wants to know what’s been happening.
Richmond @ 10
No I hadn’t. Thank you VERY much for pointing it out.
Never apologize, never explain, but always payback. Here’s their latest victim. This is the retaliation for the NY Times leak story on warrantless wiretapping & FISA that got us where we are today!
From Michael Isikoff-Newsweek- here
The controversy over President Bush’s warrantless surveillance program took another surprise turn last week when a team of FBI agents, armed with a classified search warrant, raided the suburban Washington home of a former Justice Department lawyer. The lawyer, Thomas M. Tamm, previously worked in Justice’s Office of Intelligence Policy and Review (OIPR)—the supersecret unit that oversees surveillance of terrorist and espionage targets. The agents seized Tamm’s desktop computer, two of his children’s laptops and a cache of personal files. Tamm and his lawyer, Paul Kemp, declined any comment. So did the FBI. But two legal sources who asked not to be identified talking about an ongoing case told NEWSWEEK the raid was related to a Justice criminal probe into who leaked details of the warrantless eavesdropping program to the news media.
Also, Avenging Angel has a diary up at DailyKos about the raid that could use a recommend or two
Let me say this by way of explanation:
Friday, West Texas Crude pulled ahead of Brent Crude in price due to tight supply.
As Chris Titus said recently: “Gas is $4.00 a gallon and we’ve got two Texas oilmen in the White House…are we retarded?”
Jeff Gannon’s got to be one of them!
Richmond @ 10
Now that you mention it – could be dick dripings – can’t believe I just noted that! :~)
Rove, Bush and Cheney. Which is the worst?
Rove.
-GSD
It all started with the Republican meme of the “liberal media.” It was never true, except to the extent that, as Stephen Colbert said, “Truth has a well-known liberal bias.” However, the constant repetition of this lie had the predictable effect.
When Republicans started to get their own media control, they had destroyed not only the legal basis of fairness, but also, the American ideal of “fair play.”
We have to play by the rules — the same rules they play by.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 20
Bush because he listens to the other two.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 5
Albert!!!!!
cheney
You can’t shame people that have no shame.
Even worse, look at what is done to silence the voices of truth. JFK, MLK, Malcom X, RFK, Carter, Clinton. Smear or Kill. Does anyone doubt that the next Democratic President is in for some tough times. These people do not let go of power easily.
Rove’s prints are all over this.
Calling Mr. Gore.
If you think those who have long challenged the mainstream scientific findings about global warming recognize that the game is over, think again.
The Truth About Denial
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20…../newsweek/
Oklahoma kiddo @ 20
Cheney, then Bush followed by bottom feeder Rove.
BigMitch @ 22
Yup. And we have to do two other things:
1) Get our own media and/or retake the existing media (sites like this one are working on doing just that, and it can be argued that Salon.com saved Bill Clinton’s ass during the CoupGate crisis from 1998 through 2000).
2) Get the money out of politics (see also http://www.publicampaign.org).
I am always somewhat awed by the Republicans gross audacity in how they so eagerly exploit the rules.
Play the victim and scream when things aren’t going their way.
Then scream about how the other side is playing the victim when things are going their way.
One need only realize that Valerie Wilson was dubbed “fair game” and that Mrs. Alito was a fair dame who was “victimized” by the cruel lefties.
They have no shame.
-GSD
GSD @ 21
Well, most rethugs don’t like their candidates. Maybe Rover should run for pres on the rethug ticket. Harry Reid should whisper in shrub’s ear again, like he did with Harriet.
shooogarp @ 26
Wellstone
Any other Seattle area firedoggies interested in getting together with shoephone and ET somewhere in the city Wednesday evening? We’re thinking possible Thai food at a place she knows on Queen Anne Hill, or possibly a pub somewhere fairly central and convenient….
Oklahoma kiddo @ 20
Rove. Cheney is a cartoon character. Rove is invisible.
President Gore. It’s your’s if you want it!
shooogarp @ 26
I have been saying that for some time. The McVeigh wing of the party is eagerly looking forward to getting the band back together.
-GSD
The goopers problems in lovin their candidates underscore what a lucky find Clusterfuck was for the goopers. He had name recognition- he was clearly conservative fiscally- and he had bonafides that gave him instant credibility with the snake handlers-
Goopers are not likely to find such another anytime soon.
marymccurnin @ 32
You gotta think that Feingold is very nervous flying these days…
There were some pretty jumpy Secret Service guys at the Obama rally here in Park City today. I know they are supposed to be jumpy, but these guys looked especially nervous.
The next Democratic president will only be there to kill off the remnants of the New Deal, the parts the GOP can’t get away with killing.
Bill did away with welfare and instituted NAFTA, GATT, WHO, and increased the assault on civil rights in the wake of Oklahoma City.
The next Democrat will be allowed in that job solely to either weaken or outright eliminate Socail Security and Medicare.
Wall Street cannot continue to function without an influx of an enormous amount of money…the retirement funds of millions of Americans will do quite nicely, thank you. Look at the administartive costs of HMOs as opposed to single payer, think of the thousands of management jobs that will be eliminated if a single payer health care plan is ever instituted here.
With our current economic system it ain’t gonna happen. What will happen is more pension plans will be raided, more rich people will get richer, and the phony American dream will become harder and harder to attain.
green heron @ 34
hehe.. never forget this pic
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/i…..xy-600.jpg
“I have been saying that for some time. The McVeigh wing of the party is eagerly looking forward at getting the band back together.
-GSD”
“We’re on a mission from God.”
Funny and scary at the same time.
Big Mitch,
Did any Anchorage media cover Diane Benson’s standing ovation Thursday at the Bartlett Democratic Club luncheon. I believe she ATTACKED and told the truth.
Blub @ 40
Touche.
The Vince Foster thing particularly frosts me. These people hounded and hounded and hounded a very conscientious — too conscientious — man to his death, and then what the fuckers do? They tried to blame it on his best friends.
And it wasn’t just the WSJ assholes, either. William Safire — among others — helped out, too.
GSD @ 36
and they have a candidate too
http://media.washingtonpost.co…..000458.jpg
Chimpy is meeting with the nattily dressed Mayor of Kabul, neo-con oil man, Hamid Karzai.
Maybe Hamid is bringing in a shipment of opium for G.W. Seeing as it is such a bumper crop in Afghanistan this year.
-GSD
ABC TV messing with their own poll results?
ABC TV apparently reset its tally of who won the Republican debate it broadcast on August 5, Sunday morning.
At 10 AM EST, Congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex) was winning the debate with over 1,000 votes. Mitt Romney was next with 106. After the debate at approximately 11:10 AM EST when the tally was rechecked, ABC showed Ron Paul had just 445 votes. Second was “Nobody Won. I’m Voting Democratic.”
shooogarp @ 26
MLK, JFK, RFK, Malcolm, Jimmy, Rachel Corrie, Yitzhak Rabin, Anwar Al-Sadat!
It’s too late for Gore in my opinion. On the other side of the aisle- Thompson still has a chance- he’s already in- raising money, staff, and supporters- PLUS Goopers hate the other candidates.
On the dem side- most dems like the available candidates- and the money, staff, and support is already bein fought for. The first delegates will be awarded in about six months.
Gore needed to jump in several months ago to have a chance in hell.
Blub @ 45
Who is that?
Never apologize, never explain, and when caught red-handed, nominally “accept responsibility” but never resign.
Blub @ 45
More than one but that’s a great place to start. He babbled on about Jesus in the “debate” today.
GSD @ 30
They even blame Robert’s seizure on us. As if we are responsible for his epilepsy.
GSD @ 46
Hamid Karzai – best dressed drug dealer in tht part of Central Asia, IMHO…
And FDR!
james @ 39
That’s about to change. The bridge collapse has caused Mister No-Tax Pawlenty to do a 180 and not only call for a special session, but to promise to pass the very gas tax he’d just nixed during the regular session.
In addition, there’s a chance that the Democrats’ plan for middle-income tax relief (achieved by creating a special high-income-bracket and shifting some of the burden to that bracket) might actually pass this time around.
marymccurnin @ 50
Tracadero or whatever the fuck his name is.
marymccurnin @ 50
Tancredo (R-Evil), one of three members of the axis of evil (along with fellow presidential candidate Hunter and Dana Rohrabachar)
Many argue it is not too late for Mr. Gore.
Phoenix Woman @ 44
William Safire worked for Nixon..he might as well work for the WSJ
noblejoanie @ 51
And ask forgiveness from Jesus. State that Jesus has patted you on your tiny head and forgiven you.
noblejoanie @ 51
Welcome to FDL, Senator Vitter! ;-)
If Mark Foley had been boffing underage girl pages, he’d still be in the House today.
noblejoanie @ 51
and in a tone reminiscent of rats jabbering, “mistakes were made here.”
SeamusD @16 quotes Newsweek’s Isakoff re: secret warrant served on DOJ Attorney suspected of leaking information re: warrantless wiretaps.
1) What kind of fuckery is this, “a classified search warrant” ? Never heard of such a thing.
2) The article quotes the administration’s early reaction to the NYTimes article which disclosed the program to the effect that this has really hurt the nation’s security. Somehow, I don’t get the image of Osama Bin Ladin, sitting in a cave, picking up his New York Times, and having a light bulb go off in his head, “Shit! Those bastards are trying to listen to our phone calls. Why didn’t I think of that???”
All our public figures desparately need training in verbal aikido.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 20
None of the above. They are just the enablers and facilitators. If you dig deep enough, I think you will find the same “old money” families that wanted to overthrow FDR. They keep a very low profile, even Richard Mellon-Scaife has crawled back into a hole.
Richard the melon man belongs in a hole.
Ed*ard Teller @ 42
I was out of town.
GordonM @ 65
Verbal would be a start.
marymccurnin @ 50
Tom Tancredo R(Colo)
raven @ 52
….possibly the only elected official anywhere who would say, with a straight face, that Jesus wants us to nuke Mecca. Literally. He makes Ahmadinejad look like a European social democrat and shrub look like Barbara Lee.
Ed*ard Teller @ 47
Drudge’s poll has Paul winning by a wide margin. 37% and the next in line is Sammy Brownbags.
Straight Talk McCain is at 2%.
Frederick of Hollywood wasn’t there so he didn’t rate.
The window is closing on Fast Freddy Thompson. Also I see that there may be a late rise for Sammy Brownbags.
Romney is rising in stock.
Tommy Thompson, Dinkweed Hunter, Adolph Tancredo, Lame Talk McCain are all done.
Huckabee moves up the ladder to VP material.
Ron Paul may end up being quite the phenom. Somehow the mainstream polls never show what seems to be a lot of support.
-GSD
rwcole @ 67
Richard the melon man is a hole
GSD @ 21
No Rove is just a tool. He would be replaced in a minute by an underling who would seek to do the same thing. The worst are Bush and Cheney and all those who have allowed them to get away with what they have done.
BigMitch @ 64
Since bonehead Boehner leaked classified info on FOX NEWS will he also be investigated?
Spoiled brats never apologize. This is what defines them. Rove, Cheney and Bush are prime examples of very bad parenting. What else accounts for their individual and collective bad behavoir? Very naughty boys. And they should be punished. And I’m not talking about ‘time-outs’ stuff.
rwcole @ 49
Buck up buckaroo – IMHO the Honorable Al Gore can wait until he is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in October….leaving a full year before the 2008 November election.
ReElect President Gore & VP Edwards 2008!
Accept no substitutes.
Republicans when caught: See Joey Bishop cameo in “A Guide for the Married Man.”
Exactly. Even most dumb ass criminals are smart enough to not jabber away on their phones about crimes committed, just in case the phones are tapped.
The same is true about the money transfers. I imagine the real bad guys are sufficiently sophisticated enough to launder money and have it go through multiple “clean” channels before it’s used.
Jon Stewart once did a bit about this topic showing all the dots that could have been connected before 9/11, and they were there just missed. Adding a gazzillion more “dots” would just cloud the issue, not help.
Phoenix Woman @ 56
That doesn’t negate their overall plan of dismantling relief for everyone else. Sure they will respond to catastrophes, to an extent….have you seen how poorly the poor in NOLA are living, the ones who are actually still there?
They are concerned with doing away with the sense of security most of us had and many of our parents’ strove to give us. And I’m 57…I’ve been seeing this and speaking out about it since the concerted effort against unions in the 70s.
Anyone who voted for Nixon, Ford, Reagan, or either Bush, or Clinton after he approved NAFTA, is complicit in what is happening now.
newspaperbrat @ 77
Love Liz, tepid on John.
ET and Big Mitch….do keep us updated on Diane Benson…..I’m still a month or so away from a paycheck, but she is on my list to support again.
brat
So ya figure Gore will skip the primary election an just jump into the general—What about becoming the candidate of some PARTY?
GordonM @ 65
I’ve heard of such training…and the Dems do seem to stutter, don’t they?
GSD @ 21
We, (Lahoma and I) are inclined to agree.
GSD @ 72
Oh, I love blogs4brownback. You learn fascinating things – like “science” is really just a Pharisee cult belief!
Steve-AR @ 66
I think this started out to be the case.. the Old Men thought that they had a president they could control in shrub.. but I think shrub outgrew them, in a manner of speaking. He’s now his own man (or Cheney’s man, as the case may be), and he’s not taking instructions anymore… just living in his own world, surrounded by a cult of personality which consists of the likes of Gonzo. He’s totally out of control, and even the Old Men are reduced to calling him names in their newspapers (Scaife had his paper in Pittsburgh say that shrub was mentally unbalanced, last week, if I recall correctly)
Attack! Attack! Attack! Where have I heard that before? Oh, that’s right that was Hitler’s philosophy of war. Always be on the offensive. It worked until Stalingrad. After that point they were on the defensive and the regime slowly began to unravel until the final collapse. The Republican Party has the same philosophy. Once they suffer some serious defeats and not just strongly worded letters of concern from Congress they will be forced to go on the defensive. At that point their death grip on power will be be released.
GordonM @ 86
It’s a hoax site, a spoof. It was put up by the guys at 3 Bulls.
Blub @ 87
Who really has the power now? I keep thinking that the real power brokers will thunk Bush/Cheney on the head.
Ed*ard Teller @ 47
OMG! 4th Estate gone. I think that the reason Couric is so far down in the polls (and nightly news more generally) is because they have continued to espouse Neo-Con and rethug values, and the rest of the country has shifted from that, and not only dismisses them, but also is a bit pissed that they ever bought into that crap.
By the way it would be great to see a piece of journalism on the before and after yellow ribbon “support the troops” people who have ripped those mothers off their cars in recent months). I bet they are among the angriest among us!And, there are few among them who are likely to have any access to the web.
Richmond @ 74
Actually, we’re back to Richard Mellon-Scaife. He laid the plans, financed the think tanks, and built the bus. Then Bush stole it (Poppy was holding the keys for Jebby) and Cheney invited himself along for the ride.
We in this house are of the view if Mr. Gore threw his hat into the ring tomorrow morning, that by nightfall this man would have the nomination locked up.
Nice Post PW, I like this here site.
GOP should really stand for “Gullible Old Prats”…except some of them aren’t so old, and they don’t think the shit they dribble out their prats stinks too bad…so they keep on defecating all over the country they claim to love.
GOP membership should be held as treason.
“Ron Paul may end up being quite the phenom. Somehow the mainstream polls never show what seems to be a lot of support.”
-GSD
Will it ever dawn on the MSM/Politicos why Paul is polling so well during that debate? Get the F*ck out of Iraq, NOW!!! ;-)
I think Paul’s supporters are very internet savvy and it misrepresents his appeal a bit.
I know a number of Libertarians that love him, have yet to meet a hard core Repub that does. And I’m not talking about “true conservatives” I’m talking about people that claim to be hard core Republicans, the ones that can’t wait for Fred Thompson to enter the race and kick ass but will settle for Guiliani or hold their noses and vote for Romney…just not McCain because they see him as a flaming liberal since they discount his actual voting record.
and wtf is THAT on rover’s lapel????? L M A O !!!!
i must read faster….. just finished downstairs – it got a bit hot there
marymccurnin @ 90
I hate to say it, but shrub and Big Time do…. ever since shrub kicked Old Man Jim Baker to the curb. They have their hands on the keys now, they’ve surrounded themselves with court sycophants and they’re listening to nobody at all. For their troubles, the Old Men that put them in power will be lucky if they walk away with their political party intact now. Maybe this is a just wishful thinking on my part, but I really do think shrub will go down in history as the end of the Old Men and rethug rule.
OK
Whatcha smokin at yer house?
Faux news said the important thing abt approving the wire tapping bill was that enough dems went along with the repubs even though the leader in both houses was against it. The new majority I guess.
I am just sick abt this. Are these dems out there explaining their vote?
Why was this bill brought up for a vote??? Did the dems know they would lose??? Or were they caught off guard by this? What happened??? I just don’t get it. Are these dems that voted against their onw party drinking funny kool-aid?
I have to repeat myself, did the dems know they would lose this vote, if so, why did they bring it up for a vote?
AnnieW @ 79
Throughout the Arab/Muslim world there is a network for money transfers that relies entirely on trust. If you are travelling from Afghanistan to New York and you need 100,000 dollars when you get there, what you do is give that amount to one person in Kabul. His cousin will have the money waiting for you when you get to NY. If someone breaks the trust, none of his daughters will ever get married. In the same way, Chassidic Jews can transfer great wealth in the form of diamonds, with no documents to “intercept.” Korean immigrants have a similar trust based financing arrangement, that ‘outsiders’ would have a very difficult way of penetrating. Point is, tapping western union money exchanges to break al Quaeda is as useful as waiving a rabbit’s foot.
noen @ 89
Really? Hee hee! Didn’t some Texas state Rep end up quoting them (seriously)? Outstanding! That’s Yes Men level work!
Here is where the real evil is, and Richard Mellon Scaife is only one of many. Our current situation is the result of a multi-decade, multi-generational assault on the Constitution. The federalist Society has been subverting the legal system for 25 years.
* American Enterprise Institute
* Atlas Economic Research Foundation
* Center for the Study of Popular Culture (headed by David Horowitz)
* Federalist Society
* Foundation for Economic Education
* Free Congress Foundation (headed by Paul Weyrich)
* Freedom House
* GOPAC (headed by Newt Gingrich)
* Independent Women’s Forum
* Intercollegiate Studies Institute (which operates the Collegiate Network)
* Judicial Watch
* Landmark Legal Foundation
* Media Research Center (headed by Brent Bozell)
* Pacific Legal Foundation
* Pittsburgh World Affairs Council
* Reason Foundation
By 1998 his foundations were listed among donors to over 100 such groups, to which he had disbursed some $340 million by 2002.
From Wiki
rwcole @ 100
We don’t smoke anything and find this an un-funny and tedious question.
CTuttle @ 96
Well of course they know that but that isn’t how the media sees itself. They see themselves as the ones who drive public opinion. This has been true for much of the 20th century.
Media creates demand. They shape and mold the publics wants, needs and desires. Commercially and politically.
Exactly, but it sure let’s you know other people’s business and I guess that’s the point.
I also believe that Rudy Giuliani will suffer a humiliating loss.
There is some story, some info. that will ruin him.
And not just the fact that he has a socially liberal record, excluding his authoritarian law enforcement record.
-GSD
I also do think(not with my gut) that we are on the cusp of some terrorist attacks/blow-back and it remains to be seen how the public will respond to such matters.
Whatever else bad is going on, I must admit that I’m enjoying the R prez process. In my youth, I never enjoyed freak shows. But as time has gone on, I’ve come to recognize their appeal.
NZ Expat, now in KS @ 82
I’ll be seeing her on Monday the 13th and on Friday the 17th, when she speaks to Mat-Su Democrats. I tried to set up an ActBlue page for her before I left for Seattle at the end of July, but the Alaska Democratic Party may have requested a hold be put on it. At first I thought I screwed up the page when I set it up, but that’s not the case. At any rate, we’ll have her up at ActBlue by the 17th.
THHHHUUUUUUUUUUHHHH YANKEES Win!!!
Sweep series by beating KC 8 -5
Yankees 6.5 games back.
Blub @ 99
I agree. It seems that the power is in the hands of a few. How many people are really holding this country hostage? A hundred. 500? Won’t calling their bluff be easier rather than harder? Are they are rattling around all alone in the halls of power hoping no one notices?
and there are other winger groups that are well-funded……
Steve-AR @ 104
the problem is, shrub isn’t listening to any of them anymore. Notice his announcement that he wants to create and run his own political thinktank after he leaves office.. that was a swipe against these people, not against Dems.
The Republicans should hold their next debate at a carnival side-show with the moderator being a bearded lady and the questions fielded by a geek, Siamese twins and a juggling dwarf.
-GSD
eCAHNomics @ 109
that’s why I like the second half of Fox News Sunday, the freak show of the Panel of All Stars. With chief freak Hume & the Bloody Kristol particular favs.
in the immortal words of steve gilyard – fuck the yankees – GO METS!!!!- dont swat me big mitch lol
GordonM @ 102
That is the consensus of the guys at Sadly!No. I don’t know for sure if the Three Bulls came out and said they did it. Some of the entries were really over the top.
sunshine @ 101
They knew what was happening and did not do any of the simple or creative or even *elegant* things they could have done to make this turn out any other way.
They folded the whole game in the worst way.
Pelosi even talked tough about not allowing just what ended up happening.
And now Pelosi is promising Amendments in September. Amendments my ass. Lies. More Lies.
There will be no Amendments.
And there will be no Habeas Corpus from this Congress.
And this Congress will get no one out of Iraq.
Clusterfuck runnin a THINK tank? Now don’t THAT beat all!!
That’s funny as hell!!
Blub @ 114
Chimpy’s head of a thinktank? Seriously funny stuff.
The Low Expectation Coalition.
-GSD
AnnieW @ 107
Spying & torture is strictly for the purpose to mine for “evidence” that supports what you want to believe. It has NOTHING to do with finding terrorists or unearthing actionable intelligence.
Me too, though mine is just my “gut”. It feels like we are at the cusp of something.
I’m also worried because the Senate Dems that voted over this power to Bush that should have known better. Feinstein, Bayh and Webb in particular and that makes me think they are afraid of something more specific.
But maybe it is just the media with their drumbeat of fear, the housing market slide, the oil crunch, chest thumping against Iran, etc…that lend to a general feeling of angst.
Who knows.
BigMitch @ 102
Did they hide something in the new FISA bill about rabbits’ feet somewere?
We in this huge family love baseball! Especially love to go to night games on a wram summer eve. ;0)
Blub @ 114
Complete with Skull & Bones initiation ceremonies?
Blub @ 114
That would be the toddlers wading pool. Complete with Vitniers[sp?] diapers floating in it.
rwcole @ 120
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05…..-AvLdZewpJ oULAqhDDdqaw
His sycophants are trying to raise $400 million to kick it off, at his presidential library at SMU (assuming the good people of Dallas don’t rise up and do something about it)
Blue Angels flying over mom’s house, getting ready for their 1:00 p.m. show over the Seafair hydroplane races.
GSD @ 108
Well at least now with *newFISA* they won’t be able to blame the Dems. Oh. Right. I forgot. Sorry.
Didn’t SMU say no liberry here tank you very much.
Blub @ 114
But really, how much international run could it get, being based on the hierarchical model of HR Puff’n’Stuff?
First I ever heard of Steve Gilyard was that he passed away. From the sainted memories he enjoys here, and at YKOS, I suspect I missed someone really special.
OTOH the only thing I ever hear him quoted as saying is an assault on the very thing that made America great. The Yankees.
Now can we all just pull together and root for someone to get his 300th carreer win?
marymccurnin @ 112
This isn’t just about who’s pulling the strings here.
After WWII some war crimes investigators tried getting information on IG Farben and other busniesses that had financed Hitler and the Nazis. The records they needed were spread throughout the world with a bulk of them in Alexandria, ouside Washington, DC to avoid detection. For most of the investigators they viewed the industrialists as nothing more than businessmen, not Nazis although without industrialist money the Nazis would have had a harder time of it.
Bendix, in Britain, actually held back production of aircraft on orders of its German subsidiary. Bausch-Lomb alerted Zeiss in Germany of work it was doing so Zeiss could alert the nazis what the Allies were developing.
The people who are running this current group have no allegiance except to money and power. It stopped being about America a long, long time ago.
fdl reader @ 130
LOL. Exactly, Never Explain, never apologize. Add to that, Always attack.
marymccurnin @ 131
IIRC that was the initial faculty reaction. I suspect thearm twisting phase is going on now.
marymccurnin @ 131
hehe…. they reversed themselves.
Only way to stop it now would be if the Old Men prevent shrub from raising enough money.. or if Dallas denies zoning approval.
rwcole @ 120
Unbelievable. For right-wing totalitarian regimes.
Blub @ 128
Some people say he will call his think tank “My Pet Gloat.”
Cocktails and appetizers after Mr. Bush’s speech will be held in the Pinochet Center.
-GSD
Blub @ 87
They had to run the idiot son instead of Jeb and they thought they could control him. The combination of two psychopaths and the neo-cons, have really screwed up their plans. I can’t imagine that the fascists are happy about the Iraq disaster. I think if Jeb had been the President it would be all over. The big question is what next. They have gotten so close to their goal; will they be willing to take another beating in the ‘08 election or is there a back-up plan?
SMU says it would love to have a library – and it would donate it’s book to it….
I used to live in Dallas and went over to the SMU book store to try to find some academic books- there was a section way in the back that said “books” but it was a dimly lit shelf covered with cobwebs- there WERE however- row after row of SMU drinking mugs and pom poms.
Not a serious academic institution by all appearances.
The title of Mr. Bush’s speech about the faltering education system is titled:
Is Our Children Learning?
-GSD
GSD @ 140
I think the full name is the August Pinochet Center for Advancing Human Rights and Dignity…
BigMitch @ 133
Whew, Mitch, you’ve certainly crossed over to the dark side, eh? Careful, the Bosox have already put up 2 runs for Beckett!!!
james @ 134
ironically, I think we’d be better off if these people WERE really in charge and shrub really was their water carrier/figure-head, like his dad was. The Old Men work daily to make the world a more miserable place, but they do so subject to certain limits and rules… they want to run it, not destroy it. Shrub and Big Time have no sense of these limits.. bulls in the candy store that the Old Men have so carefully furnished. When 2050’s Schlesinger writes Shrub’s bio, the one great achievement which might conceivably be attributed to him would be that by harming national interests, prestige, relationships and the Republican Party as much as he did, he greatly weakened the Old Men and their impact on future generations.
rwcole @ 142
Isn’t there just one book for them?
Wow ET
You said the Blue Angels were flying over your mom’s house, and I just turned on the game at Safco. There were the same Blue Angels.
Clusterfuck wants a Think Tank where washed up conservatives like Wolfie can come to debate all the brain dead conservative IDEAS that Clusterfuck proved don’t work…
He doesn’t realize yet what effect he’s had on the advancement of conservative thought- it’s “back to the drawing board”.
rwcole @ 83
My old brain waxes and wanes as horrors like the spineless Dems caving late at the end and their refusal to listen to netroots to stay in session and earn their salaries & perks. If Gore announces in the wake of his anticipated Nobel Peace Prize honor his name could appear on the primary ballots in the new year. Earlier polls favored Gore hypothetically. I know I would work my heart out for him day and night.
Of all the announced dem candidates John Edwards seems to me would freak out not only the rethugs but the DNC as well. A Gore/Edwards ticket would ensure 16 years in office and we need that much time to restore democracy to our beleagured Republic.
Both Gore and Edwards are brilliant alternatives to the current establishments of both parties. A no brainer IMHO.
CTuttle @ 145
Braves win in extra innings, watch your back!
And exactly how many non-existent terrorists are holding us hostage to Bush’s fear-mongering LIES.
BigMitch @ 148
{{{cue Twilight Zone theme}}}…
“just one book”
For SMU? Well maybe- “The drinking man’s guide to sex and football”?
I don’t think that the Bible is a big seller there.
What really gets us is that we have Bush, a non-lawyer, Mr. Cheney another non-lawyer and Rove, who spent how many years in college and never graduating deciding on matters of law. Oh, almost forgot. They do have Gonzales to consult with.
rwcole @ 154
What about “My Pet Goat”??? ;-)
Steve-Ar says: “I can’t imagine that the fascists are happy about the Iraq disaster.”
Why not? Are their children dying? Fuck, no. The one law that the fascists respect is the law of supply and demand. Iraq is not producing any oil, and won’t for quite some time. If you happen to own oil, you can’t be indifferent to the effect of the reduced production on the price of the asset you control.
We want Gore!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 155
Well they had the brilliant mind of Harriet Meyers to guide them. That must count for something.
GSD @ 143
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Fascism is a growing political party among about 30% of American voters.
If you want to read a truly hilarious story about the shrub think tank/library, check out http://www.nysun.com/article/27794
“They’re taking my home!” (quoted from one local resident, who’s losing his house under eminent domain so shrub can get the most grandious monument EVER built for a US president) should be shrub’s immortal epitath.
Brat
Gore might make a great Prez- I just don’t see how he could compress his run enough to end up on the ballots, staffed, funded, and ready to win the primaries by the time they kick off- which is VERY early next year.
If he’d been out setting the stage for a run- maybe- but as far as I can see, he has not. I believe him when he says he doesn’t intend to run- it’s consitent with his actions.
Bush’s liberry will have two books.
My Pet Goat
and
1984
Fire marshalls stand at the front entrance ready to jail and burn other books that may attempt a takeover.
BigMitch @ 157
Taking those fields out of production was the whole point.
gore is the consensus nom here on the lake it seems – me? not so sure…..
fdl reader @ 160
Heh, Grammar is not Shrub’s forte!!!
noen @ 165
DING!
newspaperbrat @ 150
Gore/Edwards ‘08
I like this too the way you describe it.
marymccurnin @ 164
Don’t forget “Mein Kampf” and the Hitler doll he played with growing up.
noen @ 159
And if they had, their way it would be Supreme Court Justice Miers. Whoa. ;0)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 158
If he loses another 15 pounds, expect an announcement within days.
Mitch – from my mom’s house west of SeaTac Airport, we’re within hearing distance of the hydro races and – given the right atmospheric conditions – vague hearing distance of the crowds at both the Mariners and Seahawks games. You can hear the Blue Angels for miles and miles, though. One year, when I was visiting here, they flew about 500 feet right over her house. This time, they were at about 1,500 feet.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 155
And Bush’s Thinktank will one day be advising a future President on expansion of Unitary Executive powers.
Shit. I just made myself sick.
juslin @ 166
Gore isn’t running and won’t run. Edwards is actually running and I really liked his performance (what I saw anyway) at Yearlykos.
CTuttle @ 167
I bet 4 out of 5 readers of this blog would mispronounce the last word in your post. It rhymes with sport. The word which sounds like 4-Tay is spelled with an accent over the e and means “loud.” (Back me up on this ET.)
Steve_AR @ 1:37 pm -
What do you think their plans are?
Do you think that they are fascists espousing a philosophy that neither Franco nor Mussolini would recognize or that they are anarchists (after a fashion) who, rather than channeling their energy toward making this world a better place, choose destruction because they are devoid of hope?
BigMitch @ 157
The one thing the Fascists DON’T like about the war is that it is bringing opposition from the peoples against the admin. Outside of that it is 1)filling the pockets of the military-industrial complex with cash; 2) depleting the treasure so we can have no more social programs; 3) allowing them to do away with the Constitution and spy on citizens; 4) promote fear every day -and into the future- as a means to shove their agenda down the throats of the willing Dems. They know what they are doing and this is it. How much money (etc for 2,3,4) do you think they would have gotten if they had stormed into Bagdad as they did and had been met with roses and quick turnover of the government keys and citizenry support. Nada! Now they can argue they need to be there foreva. Game plan, game plan.
Do you have a search warrant?
Of course we do, but it is a secret.
It is now going to be payback time for those who have slighted Alberto Gonzales.
Now he and Rove can scheme and connive in the newly merged Office of Partisan Retribution.
Thanks Blue Dogs.
-GSD
raven @ 147
Bush has a very extensive collection of unopened Cliff Notes.
Gore? I’m sure.
If you think those who have long challenged the mainstream scientific findings about global warming recognize that the game is over, think again.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20…../newsweek/
Gore would get us out of Iraq too.
BigMitch @ 157
Because, the whole Iraq war was about “W” showing up dad and not about Republican majority forever. After the ‘04 election they had it all and Bush fucked it up. If they could have kept both houses of Congress, the Presidency and the Federal courts for two more election cycles; ball game over.
Gore has been warned away from the election by his son’s recent run in with the police.
Edwards would be fine as would some others.
BigMitch @ 175
Yea, but, that would be French grammar won’t it?
If my party doesn’t get the message, we just might be faced with another 8 years of a GOP White House. A little over 12 months from now, we will know.
oh, I should add that a friend who works at a firm that’s working on the project told me that the eminent domain actions presently being undertaking to seize homes on the library/think tank’s future site, are being done WITHOUT any disclosure on the plans for the facility itself… the plans are being withheld for security reasons. Only Friends of Bush and about a dozen contractors, architects and university officials have seen the plans, subject to strict non-disclosure agreements. To be best of my knowledge, no presidential library has ever been developed under these conditions.. and this one will be nearly 8 times the size of the largest presidential library constructed to date.
On the whole, the fascists will be happy with Clusterfuck’s service to them…
He leaves them HUGE tax cuts.
He has dismantled the mechanisms that keep em from polluting for profit
He has given ENORMOUS gifts to their favorite industries- energy, insurance, drugs and war.
He has created a “War on Terror” that they hope to milk for decades in order to make Gentle Fascism a way of life in america.
On the whole- they gotta be happy.
Blub @ 186
Why don’t they just put it in the Green Zone?
BigMitch @ 175
Sorry for my lack of the tilde, I’m only semi-literate!!! ;-)
marymccurnin @ 188
Now there is a plan!
Who’s exercising eminent domain? The city of University Park?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 180
Gore himself has said (without tipping his hand a bit IMO) that he does not understand why there is a full-on presidential race over 500 days out from the election.
I also believe that the Nobel Prize season would be a pr problem for a candidate ~ win or lose. It’s much ‘cleaner’ in my opinion to announce after the Nobel issue is decided.
rwcole @ 163
I am not aware of any recent unequivable quote/s from Gore that he will not run. If you have a linky please share. My take is he has been keeping a low political profile since the wildly successful world concert.
CTuttle @ 189
In that case, you’d make a perfect head of research at the shrub think tank.
noen @ 170
The Hitler doll was a gift from Prescot Bush his grandfather and fascist sympathizer. Make no mistakes the Bush family is more about fascism than it is about constitutional democracy.
From two Dems to our party:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
rwcole @ 191
DUnno.. check out the link in #162 above. I assume the university petitioning University Park. SMU will be the developer of record for the library/policy center.
rwcole @ 187
I’m sure that Hitler’s up there in Heaven smiling right now …
Blub @ 197
Eminent domain is how shrub acquired the land for the baseball stadium also..
marymccurnin @ 184
never apologize, never explain, never learn pronunciation…
I did a variation on Bush’s “forte” at LLN here this morning. Something about his inept attempts at understanding Machiavelli came up, and I commented that the comic book versions of the Italian master he read were called “My Pet Moat” to entice him to read them.
Blub @ 194
Perish the thought! They’d rudely escort me out the door within 15 minutes of the first meeting!!! I’m a flamin’ Liberal!!! *g*
Cujo359 @ 198
Heaven???????
Oklahoma kiddo @ 171
They’ve got a lawyer alright. It is Cheney’s chief of staff, Addington. He is the real source of almost every legal opinion, and every signing statement that this administration has issued. He a very dangereous man, a unitary executive fanatic.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 176
I think their goals are traditional. Starting with Reagan gutting gov’t regulation and oversight, cutting taxes, and having Federal courts that enable the kleptocracy. Funding the social crazies and religious wackos has change the direction and I don’t think anyone knows where it goes from here. I don’t think free market kleptocrats are hoping for the Rapture.
one has to appreciate that shrub, the president of compassionate conservatism and small government, will end his career with one final irony — the use of eminent domain — big government forcing home and small business owners out of their property — to make room for a (partially) government-funded entitlement.
Bush using emminent domain to obtain land for Lie-berry and Think Tank: Reminds me of a blog I posted on 11/11/2005:
Condemning Bush
Few recent Supreme Court opinions have aroused as much public outrage as the June ruling in Kelo v New London, which affirmed the use of eminent domain to promote economic development.
The decision was especially unpopular with Conservatives who envision a very limited role for government, and hold a reverential attitude towards private property. For example: a Committee for the Protection of Natural Rights sprung up in New Hampshire “To protect our National Righs as granted by our Creator …” Their website reports:
On November 4th the NEW YORK TIMES reported that:
The bill will be passed into law with speed that would make Terry Schiavo’s head spin, if she hadn’t been brain dead for several years.
The Associated Press reported that,
The Bush administration, backing the House bill, said in a statement that “private property rights are the bedrock of the nation’s economy and enjoy constitutionally protected status. They should also receive an appropriate level of protection by the federal government.” This is nothing new for W. When he ran for Governor of Texas, he promised in campaign speeches, “I will do everything I can to defend the power of private property and private property rights when I am the governor of this state.”
Clearly, the President is on the side of private property, and against taking private property for public development such as Baseball Stadiums. But how long has he felt this way? You might want to ask Horace Kelton.
Kelton owned land that the Texas Rangers, led by George W. Bush, wanted. The owners got Arlington to seize it, with the city paying less than $1.50 per square foot even though it had previously paid $10 a square foot for other land nearby. “It was an extremely low price, and that’s why we had a court case that lasted seven years,” Mr. Kelton recalled. Eventually, his family got $11 a square foot.
Essentially, Mr. Bush and the owners’ group he led bullied and misled the city into raising taxes to build a $200 million stadium that in effect would be handed over to the Rangers. As part of the deal, the city would even confiscate land from private owners so that the Rangers owners could engage in real estate speculation.
Bush was given 1.8% of the team for $600,000 of borrowed money on the strength of a resume that included several years working at failing oil companies, and his political connections through his father. The investors, including W, tripled their money. But the partnership decided to give W a little bonus, namely 10% of the company.
The main value of the team was the new stadium and 300 acres of vacant land the team acquired between the stadium and 5 Flags of Texas, which is next door. How did the Rangers acquire this very valuable property which the owners didn’t want to sell? Bush and his partners gave them only a lowball offer, and when it was rejected they arranged for a new government agency (the Arlington Sports Facility Development Authority, or ASFDA) to condemn it for them.
The agency foreclosed the land and paid the owners a very low price, later judged by a jury to be only 1/6th of its actual value. The agency also floated bonds, guaranteed and repaid by taxpayers, to finance the purchase. This amounted to a $135 million subsidy for Bush and partners, compared with the $80 million they paid for the franchise. When they sold the entire franchise for $250 million, Bush and friends walked of with a tidy chunk of taxpayer’s cha-ching.
The saddest part of this story is that this small fortune, more than most of us will ever see, financed one of the most tragic events in American history: the entry of George W. Bush into politics.
This sorry tale raises a lot of troubling questions. Here are some of the most obvious:
-Since when do Conservatives favor Federal intervention into local issues of zoning, economic development, and land use?
-When Bush and his partners got the Arlington to raise taxes to pay off bonds that benefitted the narrow business interests of his partnership, was he being a hypocrite, or had he not yet had his “all taxes are bad” epiphany?
-How the hell did this guy get elected on a platform of ethics? Was it a cruel joke?
-Is there no right wingnut group too extreme for the bozos in this administration to pander to?
-Still think Bush was stupid for letting the Rangers trade Sammy Sosa?
… tell ‘em Big Mitch sent ya!
fdl reader @ 192
;0)
Blub @ 186
Because it will hold Presidential papers that, if divulged, would lead to some extremely serious charges against many hundreds of people.
About Bush’s first act on becoming President was to seal off access to Reagan’s and his father’s papers (overriding the law with an executive order). The Nat’l Archives has not been able to examine enormous amounts of material they’re supposed to have access to, simply because Bush won’t allow them onto the private property where they’re held.
I’m pretty sure it’s Dean’s Worse Than Watergate that has the story.
Blub @ 205
Presidential libraries are supposed to be completely financed by the private sector.
marymccurnin @ 202
Should have posted an extreme sarcasm warning, I suppose. Someone’s bound to get the wrong idea.
SeamusD @ 209
capital costs are private, operating costs are partially (in most cases, largely) public, funded under the aegis of the National Archives.. not that shrub’s library, which he’s said will be about shaping the “future” not about the past, will have any archives.
Blub @ 146
I don’t think they plan on spending their last days on earth.
Bush’s little announcement for exploratory trips to Mars and a new moon shot make me wonder if, after all these years and dollars, the money going ostensibly to the Star Wars/Missile Shiled defense haven’t all been about staking out a place out on space somewhere.
Having said that I’m sure ure I will now enjoy even less credibility here than I’ve enjoyed before so I’ll leave with one little thing thrown out and the people in Alaska should know what I’m talking bout…….
HAARP and that vast antenna array up north connected with the U of Alaska-Fairbanks and the Air Force, Raytheon, Dept of the Navy and Penn State and almost all of Nikola Tesla’s stolen patents.
New thread upstairs
Blub
I read the article- and it sounds as if the University is buying the condos one at a time–once they were able to control a majority of the votes on the HOA- they were able to stop doin any maintenence and force the other condo owners to sell. They may have also filled the place with SMU students who do nothing but drink 24/7…
It doesn’t appear that they have actually used eminent domain- although the article isn’t very clear on that point.
CTuttle @ 189
Oh, That’s a cute one.
*smashing GOP symbol*
rwcole @ 214
Ah.. I don’t know.. just going by what’s been in the news. Maybe the lawsuit is just over the impending threat of eminent domain, not it’s actual use yet.
SeamusD @ 209
The gov’t has been privatized. Did you miss the Executive Order?
Blub- Yeah- could be.
The University claims that it started buyin the property well before it was mentioned as a library site cause it just needs more land- which is probably true. It’s in pretty tight quarters.
SMU and Baylor are, of course, both private Universities- one Baptist- one Methodist. They have no right to exercise eminent domain- they would require a govt. body to do it for them.
noen @ 170
It was anatomically correct.
rwcole @ 219
All I know is that a group of homeowners have announced their intention to pursue legal recourse (that’s been in the papers) and what my architect friend told me, which is that they’re keeping the plans under wraps for security reasons.. and because the shrubbies want a big bang/debut of this awe-inspiring monument to their supreme leader. There’s something vaguely caesaresque about the whole thing.
GSD @ 115
That would be on Fox, Bill-O, Hannity and Colmes, and Bret Hume.
I don’t believe the Clintons had Vince Foster murdered. Nor do I believe Foster was so sensitive and tender that he killed himself because the media lied and hurt his feelings. Ancient Chinese wisdom: “whenever there is a disagreement between two sides, either one is wrong, or both are wrong.”
I totally agree with what you are saying, BUT you should take a closer look at “our” own as well. There are crooks on both sides, spin machines on both sides…I don’t think necessarily as evil, but that comes with time in power. This whole mess needs to be cleaned. Look at many liberal bloggers, they throw epithets just like the neo-cons. Until we clean our own house, how can we point out the obvious on the other side?
GSD @ 115
OMG that’s hilarious. ROFLMAO
‘Course Rudy could just pull his ‘costume’ dress & wig out of the closet.
Tancredo would probably try to do an exorcism on him.
Romney would go see about buying the carnival.
The two Thompsons and McCain would just look on from the side with grumpy faces.
It would be a sideshow for the whole family values crowd.
Blub @ 137
Or if Congress declared that using the Presidential Title to raise funds and use the records and items obtained while serving was not allowable under an IMPEACHMENT CONVICTION.
Impeachment (even after he left office) would disqualify Bush from receiving any “honor, trust or profit” from his current or subsequent positions under the U.S.
He could have his “George W. Bush” library…but it would not hold anything from his term of office, and his official records would be held elsewhere…likely by some future Justice Department!
BigMitch @ 175
Depends on whether you side with those who believe that proper usage is that which is actually used, or those who believe that the 17th century pronumnciation should be forever held as “proper”.
This from Dictionary.com
“The word forte, coming from French fort, should properly be pronounced with one syllable, like the English word fort. Common usage, however, prefers the two-syllable pronunciation, (fôrprime.giftamacr.giflprime.gif), which has been influenced possibly by the music term forte borrowed from Italian. In a recent survey a strong majority of the Usage Panel, 74 percent, preferred the two-syllable pronunciation. The result is a delicate situation; speakers who are aware of the origin of the word may wish to continue to pronounce it as one syllable but at an increasing risk of puzzling their listeners.”
Thus even a majority of Grammarians (the Usage Panel) appears to believe that the “fort-ay” pronunciation is proper.