Zed

((( TSF )))

CTuttle @ 1

Zed

I got your back ! *g*

Nicely done, CT !

Newtonusr, if you’re still around, who else did I meet? Redshift.

Thanks Teddy (big smiles)

did someone let downstairs know?

I let them know downstairs, Teddy!

thanks ct

Woo Hoo, I think I’m in double digits now for Zeds!!!

Have any of you read the letter that Pelosi sent to Conyers?

EPU’d:

CTuttle,

No we didn’t. We served the people of the USA, the US Constitution and our comrades. In December, 1966, a group of warrant officers in my aviation company burnt the pictures of the SecDef and Sec of the Army in a little bonfire behind our barracks at Ft. Lewis. The CO had the enlisted men stand guard duty on the new set of chain-of-command pictures in the hall outside the company office until somebody was supposed to come forward to turn in the offenders. We didn’t.

But you know that! We’re still serving this crazy country.

I let them know, Suzanne, with a beautiful embedded link. Thank you TexB!

Had to do control v.

Welcome home, TSF.

TRex called and asked that I let folks know he is safely back in the state of GA. He’s looking forward to getting his computer back in the morning and seeing everyone tomorrow night.

RBG @ 13

Welcome home, TSF.

TRex called and asked that I let folks know he is safely back in the state of GA. He’s looking forward to getting his computer back in the morning and seeing everyone tomorrow night.

Excellent news – thanks for passing that on, RBG.

Ed*ard Teller @ 11

EPU’d:

CTuttle,

No we didn’t. We served the people of the USA, the US Constitution and our comrades. In December, 1966, a group of warrant officers in my aviation company burnt the pictures of the SecDef and Sec of the Army in a little bonfire behind our barracks at Ft. Lewis. The CO had the enlisted men stand guard duty on the new set of chain-of-command pictures in the hall outside the company office until somebody was supposed to come forward to turn in the offenders. We didn’t.

But you know that! We’re still serving this crazy country.

True! One can be a romantic couldn’t they??? :-)

CTuttle @ 9

Woo Hoo, I think I’m in double digits now for Zeds!!!

hmmmmm CT do you have a zed necklace yet???

Loo Hoo. @ 12

I let them know, Suzanne, with a beautiful embedded link. Thank you TexB!

Had to do control v.

Nicely done link!

lolo @ 16

CTuttle @ 9

Woo Hoo, I think I’m in double digits now for Zeds!!!

hmmmmm CT do you have a zed necklace yet???

(((lolo))) Howzit!!! Long time…!!!

ET—saw your comment and replied on an earlier thread. Are you accessing your regular email while you’re “down south”?

LooHoo, glad to see tex’s lessons paid off. Is your facebook page gonna get all fancy smancy now with pictures? (grin)

WaPo take on YK, with an FDL shoutout.

“It’s mostly white. More male than female,” says the former high school math and science teacher turned activist. “It’s not very diverse.”

There goes the open secret of the netroots, or those who make up the community of the Internet grass-roots movement.

For all the talk about the increasing influence of this growing group — “We are a community . . . a movement . . . an institution,” Cooper said in a speech Saturday night — what gets scant attention is its demography. While the Huffington Post and Fire Dog Lake, both founded by women, are two of the most widely read blogs, the rock stars are mostly men, and many women bloggers complain of sexism and harassment in the blogosphere.

Check out this video (h/t TPM) of Ron Paul at the GOP debates. Paul is slamming the Iraq war and advocating for withdrawal.

But what I found hilarious is that Romney is in the background the whole time trying to interrupt Paul by repeating “Has he forgotten about 9/11?!” while trying to look incredulous.

I mean, I know that’s just Romney’s shtick, but it was so over the top and inappropriate in this context it was hard to believe. What a cartoon of a man.

at facebook FDL, i opened a discussion topic on presidential candidates.

just for fun.

Loo Hoo. @ 4

Newtonusr, if you’re still around, who else did I meet? Redshift.

Hi again. Remember that I know only about the FDL Breakfast, as I was on the ground for less than a day…
Christy, Lew Koch, Swopa, KatyMine, Digby, Jane, egregious, TexB, Teddy, Pach, RevDeb, and other luminaries were there for the breakfast. Who you met depends on how long you stayed. But no Redshift…

RBG @ 19

ET—saw your comment and replied on an earlier thread. Are you accessing your regular email while you’re “down south”?

I’m stealing a WiFi signal from some auto shop near my mom’s place. I can get, but can’t send e-mail.

While I was taking the kids to SeaTac so they can get back to work tomorrow in Anchorage, Ms. ET and my sister set up Wednesday at sis’s house for my sis’s B’day dinner, so I’m thinking Thursday instead, for a Seattle firepup meetup. Trying to get oscarsmom on the phone. things come undone is interested too, so – I’m working on it.

VictorLaszlo @ 22

Check out this video (h/t TPM) of Ron Paul at the GOP debates. Paul is slamming the Iraq war and advocating for withdrawal.

But what I found hilarious is that Romney is in the background the whole time trying to interrupt Paul by repeating “Has he forgotten about 9/11?!” while trying to look incredulous.

I mean, I know that’s just Romney’s shtick, but it was so over the top and inappropriate in this context it was hard to believe. What a cartoon of a man.

They are all trying (too hard) for their “Mr Green I paid for this microphone” moment that St Ronnie got in New Hampshire when all the GOP candidates showed up to debate him and GHWB. None of them even have Ronnie’s charm, which isn’t saying much.

“…the rock stars are mostly men, and many women bloggers complain of sexism and harassment in the blogosphere.” Are you kidding me! If I even thought a chauvinistic thought I would be flailed here at the Lake!!! The star bloggers are female, no offense Teddy and TRex, but, jeez louiseez!!!

VictorLaszlo @ 22

Check out this video (h/t TPM) of Ron Paul at the GOP debates. Paul is slamming the Iraq war and advocating for withdrawal.

But what I found hilarious is that Romney is in the background the whole time trying to interrupt Paul by repeating “Has he forgotten about 9/11?!” while trying to look incredulous.

I mean, I know that’s just Romney’s shtick, but it was so over the top and inappropriate in this context it was hard to believe. What a cartoon of a man.

GOP culture has gotten so used to interrupting others. Not only was he breaking the 11th Commandment, he was auditioning for Bill O’Reilly’s job!

TeddySanFran @ 21

WaPo take on YK, with an FDL shoutout.

“It’s mostly white. More male than female,” says the former high school math and science teacher turned activist. “It’s not very diverse.”

…

the rock stars are mostly men, and many women bloggers complain of sexism and harassment in the blogosphere.

Maybe that’s true, but to me the “blogosphere” is dominated by women. This place, Taylor’s site, Marcy’s, and even most of the local blogs I read seem to be predominately run or written by women.

Cujjo359 @ 29

TeddySanFran @ 21

WaPo take on YK, with an FDL shoutout.

Maybe that’s true, but to me the “blogosphere” is dominated by women. This place, Taylor’s site, Marcy’s, and even most of the local blogs I read seem to be predominately run or written by women.

Maybe we need a “MyBlogosphere” key on our computers. MyBlogosphere tends to the distaff as well….

Gonzo is pushing the Protecting Children in the 21st Century act. I think I would have more confidence in Gonzo if he went after Ex House of Representives member Mark Foley.
After all isn’t comunicating by email with a kid you want to abuse who is across state lines automaticaly a federal crime?
The state of Florida in what has to be the slowest investigation of child abuse ever still hasn’t pressed charges.
Gonzo’s law is supposed to target online predators is his postion that we need this law because for some legal reason I can’t comprehend he can’t charge Foley?

Hi CT! I am doing just fine. I am really enjoying all the stories and pics of the weekend. How is it in the islands tonight?

TeddySanFran @ 21

WaPo take on YK, with an FDL shoutout.

“It’s mostly white. More male than female,” says the former high school math and science teacher turned activist. “It’s not very diverse.”

There goes the open secret of the netroots, or those who make up the community of the Internet grass-roots movement.

For all the talk about the increasing influence of this growing group — “We are a community . . . a movement . . . an institution,” Cooper said in a speech Saturday night — what gets scant attention is its demography. While the Huffington Post and Fire Dog Lake, both founded by women, are two of the most widely read blogs, the rock stars are mostly men, and many women bloggers complain of sexism and harassment in the blogosphere.

Sounds to me like Ana Marie Cox was whining about her new work environment to someone….

To continue a subject from the previous thread, I posted a copy of the letter Speaker Pelosi wrote to Conyers and Silvestre regarding fixing the FISA mess at my blog.

Hopefully, others will do the same, so perhaps there will be more pressure for them to actually do something when they get back.

lolo @ 32

Hi CT! I am doing just fine. I am really enjoying all the stories and pics of the weekend. How is it in the islands tonight?

Cool and breezy for an August Nite!!!

Ed*ard Teller @ 25

RBG @ 19

ET—saw your comment and replied on an earlier thread. Are you accessing your regular email while you’re “down south”?

I’m stealing a WiFi signal from some auto shop near my mom’s place. I can get, but can’t send e-mail.

While I was taking the kids to SeaTac so they can get back to work tomorrow in Anchorage, Ms. ET and my sister set up Wednesday at sis’s house for my sis’s B’day dinner, so I’m thinking Thursday instead, for a Seattle firepup meetup. Trying to get oscarsmom on the phone. things come undone is interested too, so – I’m working on it.

Left my number on your regular mail as well as Facebook. Hopefully you can get one or both of them.

TeddySanFran @ 30

Cujjo359 @ 29

Maybe that’s true, but to me the “blogosphere” is dominated by women. This place, Taylor’s site, Marcy’s, and even most of the local blogs I read seem to be predominately run or written by women.

Maybe we need a “MyBlogosphere” key on our computers. MyBlogosphere tends to the distaff as well….

For me, that’s the bookmarks toolbar.

Cujjo359 @ 34

Hopefully, others will do the same, so perhaps there will be more pressure for them to actually do something when they get back.

Hate to say it, but their opportunity to do something was Saturday.

It’s too late now.

montag @ 38

Cujjo359 @ 34

Hopefully, others will do the same, so perhaps there will be more pressure for them to actually do something when they get back.

Hate to say it, but their opportunity to do something was Saturday.

It’s too late now.

Hey Montag, please elaborate … to us lesser mortals, her letters insinuates that Conyers can recommend changes before the 6 months are over.

TeddySanFran @ 21

the rock stars [of the progressive blogosphere] are mostly men….

Hmmmmm. Nine out of ten times that I see a progressive blogger on TV it’s a woman, and they do a superb job.

Cujjo359 @ 37

TeddySanFran @ 30

Maybe we need a “MyBlogosphere” key on our computers. MyBlogosphere tends to the distaff as well….

For me, that’s the bookmarks toolbar.

Same here! I’ve a lengthy list, predominately female run sites! Hmmm… I certainly don’t question my masculinity!!!

Petrocelli @ 39

Hey Montag, please elaborate … to us lesser mortals, her letters insinuates that Conyers can recommend changes before the 6 months are over.

Insinuation is nothing more than a wish. What Bush wanted is now law. The Dems can’t get a veto-proof majority on any changes, or anything else Bush doesn’t want.

So, the only way to have driven a stake through the heart of this was to vote it down this past Saturday.

It’s not rocket science.

A boy who said he was also molested by the same priest who molested Mark Foley has settled with the Catholic Church already, but Foley still hasn’t even been charged let alone gone to trial.
Is the government waiting for the statue of limitations to run out on this case? Or has a private settlement already been made and is the state of Florida just pretending to investigate until everyone forgets?
Maybe they will reveal the settlement after the Presidential election perhaps?

Petrocelli @ 39

montag @ 38

Hate to say it, but their opportunity to do something was Saturday.

It’s too late now.

Hey Montag, please elaborate … to us lesser mortals, her letters insinuates that Conyers can recommend changes before the 6 months are over.

The House approved the Senate’s version, no conference committee, straight to Shrub’s desk for signing!!!

montag @ 38

Cujjo359 @ 34

Hopefully, others will do the same, so perhaps there will be more pressure for them to actually do something when they get back.

Hate to say it, but their opportunity to do something was Saturday.

It’s too late now.

Unfortunately, you’re probably right, but I don’t think we can give up on this. It’s too important.

I really would like to someday be able to think that the Congressional leadership is capable of thinking two steps ahead.

Follow the money you say?
HuffPo has FundRace 2008 and this article

{{{RGB}}} and the fdl mods.

BTW, the WaPo article sorta sucks. I’m getting glad I didn’t go to YKdeux, as much as I’d wanted to. So much to do, so many progressives to scout out, question, support, fund and elect. So much attention lost on the beauty contest of the 2008 presidential election.

Having just finished watching the Iowa GOP debate, I’m glad our candidates have a collective IQ advantage over their candidates of about 700 or 800 points, but we need to concentrate on increasing our advantage in the House by 25-30 seats, in the Senate by as many as we can get. But whomever among the Dems scores the WH, that person will forget we – the netroots – exist the moment the election results are posted. The House and Senate victors won’t.

Cujjo359 @ 45

Unfortunately, you’re probably right, but I don’t think we can give up on this. It’s too important.

I really would like to someday be able to think that the Congressional leadership is capable of thinking two steps ahead.

Okay, don’t give up on it. But, forty-one Dems did, and that was enough.

And, no, they aren’t thinking two steps ahead. After six and a half years of this nonsense, that much ought to be apparent. The time to think ahead was a long time ago, I’m afraid.

CTuttle @ 41

Cujjo359 @ 37

For me, that’s the bookmarks toolbar.

Same here! I’ve a lengthy list, predominately female run sites! Hmmm… I certainly don’t question my masculinity!!!

“Hello, my masculinitiy?”
“hi there, you got a minute?”
“yeah? oh yeah, see, i got a few questions, see?”
“What?
“Hello? Hello? ….
he hung up!

(women are better than men)

Well, Firepups, one and all, I bid ya’ll a fond adieu! Aloha Oe!!! *g*

Cujjo359 @ 45

montag @ 38

Hate to say it, but their opportunity to do something was Saturday.

It’s too late now.

Unfortunately, you’re probably right, but I don’t think we can give up on this. It’s too important.

I really would like to someday be able to think that the Congressional leadership is capable of thinking two steps ahead.

I’m afraid that train has left the station. Evidence: neither Reid nor Schumer would show up at YKos for the Leadership Forum, even though the Senate had recessed, thus the push for the House to pass the identical bill. I think they both knew Chicago was full of folks who knew exactly how they’d rolled over for the Bush Crime Family. That’s why they didn’t show up.

CTuttle @ 44

Petrocelli @ 39

Hey Montag, please elaborate … to us lesser mortals, her letters insinuates that Conyers can recommend changes before the 6 months are over.

The House approved the Senate’s version, no conference committee, straight to Shrub’s desk for signing!!!

What’s the purpose of her letter, CT … have you read it ?

Cujjo359 @ 45

montag @ 38

Hate to say it, but their opportunity to do something was Saturday.

It’s too late now.

Unfortunately, you’re probably right, but I don’t think we can give up on this. It’s too important.

I really would like to someday be able to think that the Congressional leadership is capable of thinking two steps ahead.

Thing one: Congress can pass a law upon its return to amend FISA, and write the AG out of warrant granting authority. Indeed, they had better do so, because otherwise, it strikes this pup as blatantly unconstitutional.

The MSM was reporting that the only chance for defeating the White House FISA bill was in the Senate, and once it passed there, House approval was expected. I don’t know why this was so, or why we were surprised when it turned out as predicted.

In truth, we really have no idea what the bill says, and therefore, we don’t know the extent to which our rights have been compromised. However, if this makes it harder to impeach the president (by undermining the argument that what he did re: FISA was an unacceptable breach of our civil rights) well, then, we’ve been fucked.

CTuttle @ 50

Well, Firepups, one and all, I bid ya’ll a fond adieu! Aloha Oe!!! *g*

Good night CT … Good night everyone, I’m turning in as well …

Suzanne @ 20

LooHoo, glad to see tex’s lessons paid off. Is your facebook page gonna get all fancy smancy now with pictures? (grin)

Well, TexB does it so fast I can’t follow her. May have to break out the manual…I hate manuals.

190,000 AK-47 assault rifles gone missing in Iraq.

The Pentagon has lost track of about 190,000 AK-47 assault rifles and pistols given to Iraqi security forces in 2004 and 2005, according to a new government report, raising fears that some of those weapons have fallen into the hands of insurgents fighting U.S. forces in Iraq.

The author of the report from the Government Accountability Office says U.S. military officials do not know what happened to 30 percent of the weapons the United States distributed to Iraqi forces from 2004 through early this year as part of an effort to train and equip the troops. The highest previous estimate of unaccounted-for weapons was 14,000, in a report issued last year by the inspector general for Iraq reconstruction.

Petrocelli @ 52

CTuttle @ 44

The House approved the Senate’s version, no conference committee, straight to Shrub’s desk for signing!!!

What’s the purpose of her letter, CT … have you read it ?

It was the agreement that they hammered out with McConnell, that Shrub then torpedoed!!! Aloha Oe!!! *g*

I simply don’t believe very much of what I read or hear anymore.
Gonzo is concerned about “protecting children”? I wouldn’t let him around my sons and they’re way tall.
There’s a terror scare? Please.
Hire back the gay linguists, do something concrete instead of threatening us.

That’s it for me tonight, folks. Catch ya’ll tomorrow nite, same bat time, same bat channel.

newtonusr @ 24

Loo Hoo. @ 4

Newtonusr, if you’re still around, who else did I meet? Redshift.

Hi again. Remember that I know only about the FDL Breakfast, as I was on the ground for less than a day…
Christy, Lew Koch, Swopa, KatyMine, Digby, Jane, egregious, TexB, Teddy, Pach, RevDeb, and other luminaries were there for the breakfast. Who you met depends on how long you stayed. But no Redshift…

I didn’t really get to meet Jane and Pach…we all need goals, right? Digby I saw one evening and I said hi. She gave me a hug!

Hey, ‘pups, I’m fading fast and not unpacked!

I will see you hereabouts tomorrow sometime….

BigMitch @ 53

However, if this makes it harder to impeach the president (by undermining the argument that what he did re: FISA was an unacceptable breach of our civil rights) well, then, we’ve been fucked.

I’ve read the conformed, amended bill, and we’ve been fucked–maybe not precisely in the way you describe, but, fucked, nevertheless.

Look, no one’s taking this to court, because no one can establish standing in this. It lets Bush do whatever the hell he wants, so, whatever was illegal before has the patina now of legality. Anyone who wants to get this past the DC courts’ right-wing judges better be holding god’s right hand when doing so, because this change in law isn’t going to help their case.

TeddySanFran @ 61

Hey, ‘pups, I’m fading fast and not unpacked!

I will see you hereabouts tomorrow sometime….

good night TSF

TeddySanFran @ 56

190,000 AK-47 assault rifles gone missing in Iraq.

The Pentagon has lost track of about 190,000 AK-47 assault rifles and pistols given to Iraqi security forces in 2004 and 2005, according to a new government report, raising fears that some of those weapons have fallen into the hands of insurgents fighting U.S. forces in Iraq.

The author of the report from the Government Accountability Office says U.S. military officials do not know what happened to 30 percent of the weapons the United States distributed to Iraqi forces from 2004 through early this year as part of an effort to train and equip the troops. The highest previous estimate of unaccounted-for weapons was 14,000, in a report issued last year by the inspector general for Iraq reconstruction.

Plus 80,000 handguns. That’s more than a quarter million personal weapons in a country of 25,000,000, before 6 or 8 million fled.

Question: In olden days AK-47s were mostly Russian or Chinese. Who manufactured the 570,000 AK-47s we distributed in Iraq, of which 1/3 went missing?

The MainStream Media went after Bill Clinton pretty hard calling for his impeachment.
Senator Vitter who also called for Bill to leave is getting a pass from the media for sleeping with whores.
Gonzo wants to protect kids from online predators but can’t seem to be bothered to charge Mark Foley. Where oh where is Maureen Dowd with the catty column about how Republicans want to police the bedroom except if it means charging a Republican with a crime?

me too.
i’m out.

Here’s a story I remembered about our weapons showing up in markets in Iraq:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12…..mp;emc=rss

BigMitch @ 64

Question: In olden days AK-47s were mostly Russian or Chinese. Who manufactured the 570,000 AK-47s we distributed in Iraq, of which 1/3 went missing?

As I recall, the bulk of them were produced in the Czech Republic, although one could probably find some produced in Poland,Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania, as well. Truth is, anyone can make them. The licenses are everywhere. Ammunition seems to come mostly from the Czech.

things come undone,

Did you see that Thursday looks better for a Seattle FDL get-together? – #25 above.

Margot @ 67

Here’s a story I remembered about our weapons showing up in markets in Iraq:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12…..mp;emc=rss

Thought I remembered this. From the article:

Tracing American-issued weapons back to Iraqi units that sell them is especially difficult because the United States did not register serial numbers for almost all of the 370,000 small arms purchased for Iraqi security forces, according to a report by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction.

Anyone who has spent much time working for the Defense Dept. in most capacities is probably astonished at this. They didn’t even record the serial numbers. Places I’ve worked tracked things by serial number if they were worth more than $100 or so, no matter what they were. Yet these folks didn’t even record the numbers when they bought them. (On a bulk order like that nowadays, it’s usually possible to get a list of the serial numbers in some electronic format – why wasn’t that done?)

Arrgh.

When the pain is deep enough and shared broad enough there will be change so until then we just have to work to prepare for those days (that`s what the vanguard does)

Hard to admit but “the truth shall make you free” ya know

“Every once in a while, you’ve got to do something hard, do something you’re not comfortable with. A person needs a gut check.” – Corporal Chad Ritchie, U.S.M.C.

Cujjo359 @ 70

Places I’ve worked tracked things by serial number if they were worth more than $100 or so, no matter what they were. Yet these folks didn’t even record the numbers when they bought them. (On a bulk order like that nowadays, it’s usually possible to get a list of the serial numbers in some electronic format – why wasn’t that done?)

Arrgh.

Because they didn’t want them traced, maybe?

Anyone supporting or giving aid to Iraq can now get their assets and property taken away without a trial. Thanks to Bush’s Presidential decree which I’m pretty sure is unconsitiutional.
Bush just issued another one just like it involving Lebanon.
I’m betting Pakistan is next the neocons thought they could remake the Middle East by using a show of force.
At this rate the Axis of Evil might have enough members to form a soccer team before Bush gets out of office.
Was it Confucius or Mencius who said something about an emperor who was so good when he invaded the south the barbarians in the north complained about why he didn’t invade them first?
Kim Jong il must be looking at Iran and Syria suddenly being surounded by new friends and asking why doesn’t the BAD Chimperor try invading his country.

montag @ 72

Cujjo359 @ 70

Places I’ve worked tracked things by serial number if they were worth more than $100 or so, no matter what they were. Yet these folks didn’t even record the numbers when they bought them. (On a bulk order like that nowadays, it’s usually possible to get a list of the serial numbers in some electronic format – why wasn’t that done?)

Arrgh.

Because they didn’t want them traced, maybe?

A curious desire when you’re supposedly trying to build a society based on the rule of law.

Ed*ard Teller @ 69

things come undone,

Did you see that Thursday looks better for a Seattle FDL get-together? – #25 above.

yes I just read it

Cujjo359 @ 74

montag @ 72

Because they didn’t want them traced, maybe?

A curious desire when you’re supposedly trying to build a society based on the rule of law.

Not if you’re actually trying to build enough chaos to break the country into pieces, each of which is easier to manipulate with regard to oil management and in denying each security from the other, thus requiring the help of an umbrella force.

Divide and conquer.

Arlen Specter wants immigrants to be able to stay with their families, but he sure doesn’t like the idea of them voting. Wonder why not?

Give these people the company of their spouses and minor children and consider other indicators of citizenship short of the right to vote (which was always the dealbreaker).

WaPo

montag @ 76

Cujjo359 @ 74

A curious desire when you’re supposedly trying to build a society based on the rule of law.

Not if you’re actually trying to build enough chaos to break the country into pieces, each of which is easier to manipulate with regard to oil management and in denying each security from the other, thus requiring the help of an umbrella force.

Divide and conquer.

Actually, I suspect there are many possible explanations for such a “policy”. I’m just noting the irony.

Cujjo359 @ 74

montag @ 72

Because they didn’t want them traced, maybe?

A curious desire when you’re supposedly trying to build a society based on the rule of law.

Some possibilities: (1) The NRA learned how to say in Arabic, “Iraq wasn’t won with a registered gun.” They plastered the place with posters saying this, and the U.S. Army figured that this is what the people wanted.

(2) They weren’t exactly “trying to build a society based on the rule of law.” Such a society would be able to get their shit together and export oil, which, according to the only law these crooks obey — the law of supply and demand — would mean that prices for oil would fall. Good for America. Not so good for people who sell oil. Guess who Bush cares about.

(3) It’s such total and obvious bullshit that they didn’t record the serial numbers that the only reason for even thinking it’s true would be that you assumed that nobody would tell a lie so audacious. If so, you haven’t been paying attention.

Loo Hoo. @ 77

Arlen Specter wants immigrants to be able to stay with their families, but he sure doesn’t like the idea of them voting. Wonder why not?

Give these people the company of their spouses and minor children and consider other indicators of citizenship short of the right to vote (which was always the dealbreaker).

WaPo

Wage slaves can’t vote or else they will demand things like a minuim wage and healthcare.

Cujjo359 @ 78

Actually, I suspect there are many possible explanations for such a “policy”. I’m just noting the irony.

I think it’s long past the ironic stage…. When Bremer dissolved the army and the police and went on a Ba’athist purge, it was readily apparent what they were up to. What they tell us about what they’re doing is not irony–it’s propaganda. !

Cujjo359 @ 34

To continue a subject from the previous thread, I posted a copy of the letter Speaker Pelosi wrote to Conyers and Silvestre regarding fixing the FISA mess at my blog.

Hopefully, others will do the same, so perhaps there will be more pressure for them to actually do something when they get back.

And, here’s the money line:

…, which was sought to fill an intelligence gap which is asserted to exist.

So far, it is not at all clear what the NSA can’t do that they need to, and why. The stuff about foreign-to-foreign calls getting routed through the U.S. sounds like double talk.

wigwam @ 82

So far, it is not at all clear what the NSA can’t do that they need to, and why. The stuff about foreign-to-foreign calls getting routed through the U.S. sounds like double talk.

Of course, it’s double-talk. Whatever they needed, they could have gotten through the FISA court, from day one, with a warrant.

They don’t want to get warrants, for reasons yet unknown, and which they’re hell-bent not to reveal.

montag @ 42

Petrocelli @ 39

Hey Montag, please elaborate … to us lesser mortals, her letters insinuates that Conyers can recommend changes before the 6 months are over.

Insinuation is nothing more than a wish. What Bush wanted is now law. The Dems can’t get a veto-proof majority on any changes, or anything else Bush doesn’t want.

So, the only way to have driven a stake through the heart of this was to vote it down this past Saturday.

It’s not rocket science.

That or we flog the fools that voted for this so badly now that they’ll cry for their mommies when this damn thing sunsets in six months. They should be verbally and morally brutalized. They gave away the freedoms that our troops (think they) are fighting to save.

Recall, they and the President took an oath to protect the constitution, and in giving away our constitutionally guaranteed liberties, they failed to uphold their oath of office.

Hardest working mother-and-daughter team in show biz

I also nominate the Judds. But I don’t know how anyone would decide which team worked harder. Wynona Judd is a monster talent, and her mom wasn’t too shabby, although she was no Judy Garland.

But I’ll dedicate this one to TSF, Siun, and all the FDL’ers who got bummed out in Chicago.

Bob in HI

Petrocelli @ 10

Have any of you read the letter that Pelosi sent to Conyers?

I did. I just wish that she’d had that communication with Conyers BEFORE they rushed through the Republican bill last Saturday!

Bob in HI

Questions for Gonzo’s replacement
Do you have any principles? Would you quit your job if you were asked to do something that violated your principles?
Then we hit the new Nominee with all the hypothetical questions GOP nomines like Gonzo, Alieto, and Roberts have been lying about.
If they refuse to answer or try to give a non answer we say we can’t confirm another Gonzo.
If they answer in a way pleasing to us we tell them if we find out they lied we will rescind our vote.
I think we can provisionaly confirm a nominee conditionaly to see if he works out I don’t see anything saying we can’t in the Constitution.
We approve the nominee but we force Bush to fight in court with the clock running on his presidency to fight for full confirmation of his nominees.
We can show Bush that we can play with the gray areas of the Consititution where powers are not expressly spelled out or forbiden too!
Hopefuly then he will stop playing games with the Consitution and Presidential signing statements.

wigwam @ 84

Recall, they and the President took an oath to protect the constitution, and in giving away our constitutionally guaranteed liberties, they failed to uphold their oath of office.

Sure, that’s exactly what they did. The only fix is finding better to run against them, win, and get the toads out of office.

But, for now, no, don’t expect any miracles. Bush successfully intimidated them. That means he can do it again… and again… and again.

BigMitch @ 53

[snip]

In truth, we really have no idea what the bill says, and therefore, we don’t know the extent to which our rights have been compromised. However, if this makes it harder to impeach the president (by undermining the argument that what he did re: FISA was an unacceptable breach of our civil rights) well, then, we’ve been fucked.

This is only marginally true, since an impeachment does not have to be based on criminal behavior– it can be based on malfeasance or misfeasance. Besides, they have committed so many high crimes and misdemeanors, as well as conspiracies to commit thereof, that there is plenty left to work with. What is needed is a will to work with the evidence already in hand. Are the Democrats vertebrates, or jellyfish?

Bob in HI

Well, during the week I took in a lot of words and video from Yearly Kos- Second Coming. It was quite a display of many intricate puzzle pieces. A lot of blog heavies…. wow I mean the line of blog celebs was impressive.

However, now that the masses have gone back to the life of an indifferent American paycheck to paycheck existence tetering on the edge of utter social obscurity…

well I think the mask of denial is fading and everyone is trying hard… so hard not to conclude the inevitable.

Blog Universe is just the New Millenium version of CB Radio. “Breaker One Niner…. come back. What’s your 20 cowboy?”

Hey You @ 90

Blog Universe is just the New Millenium version of CB Radio. “Breaker One Niner…. come back. What’s your 20 cowboy?”

Guess it’s time for you to go back to your base station and your scanner, then, eh?

Cheers.

yellowdog jim @ 23

at facebook FDL, i opened a discussion topic on presidential candidates.

just for fun.

i left you a reply, YD.

Nardelli of Home Depot has been chosen to head up Chrysler.

expect Chrysler workers to be screeeewwwwdddd in short order.
the drones won’t be treated much better.
southeast Michigan, bend over. Nardelli will drive.
anybody still owning this pig, dump it fast (i don’t, but if i shorted stocks, which also i don’t, i would put money on it).

one final thing at the beginning of a week following a WTF:

remember what Howard Dean said. we especially need this now.
we must continue to change the Democratic Party.

Blue Dogs can go suck eggs. pick them off one by one (where this is possible).

keep nailing Republicans.

take no prisoners.

never give up. we’re really just getting started.

Mornin’ all!

Good morning. Just waiting for the coffee to finish perking.

Good morning, pups. The NYT has Cohen, Kristof and Krugman today. Cohen says French president Sarkozy is turning tradition upside down by vacationing in America, Kristof has a plan for W about what to do about Darfur, and Krugman writes about “That Substance Thing,” and what candidates say about policy tells us about them. (Hint — he’s concerned about Hillary.)

http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/

Coffee and tea are ready, and there are corn muffins just out of the oven. Have a good day, even if it is Monday.

Juan Cole today on “flat-footed” Obama. This is pretty damning stuff, we ought to blog about it more later today:

Obama Sticks to his Guns

Senator Obama still can’t see why it is controversial for him to threaten to violate Pakistan’s sovereignty to get at the Arab al-Qaeda in Waziristan.

His comments of last week roiled US-Pakistani relations.

What he should be saying is that if he had an opportunity to deploy a Predator against Bin Laden he would do it, and that he is sure that Gen. Musharraf would cooperate. He is setting up an unlikely hypothetical, and in the hypothetical he is setting up an ally as essentially an enemy (implying that Musharraf is covering for Bin Laden or something).

His remarks suggested that he is attached to the Bush Doctrine of unilateral and preemptive military action, which violates the United Nations Charter. In the Republican debate, the candidate that sounded closest to Obama’s stance on this was Rudy Giuliani. That should tell you something.

And he is angering the Pakistani public for no good reason. (I mean, if Musharraf, whom al-Qaeda has twice tried to kill with bombs, can’t find them, how likely is it that Obama can?) His remarks are remarkably flat-footed for someone who has read the history of British colonialism in Kenya; isn’t this just a variant of the White Man’s Burden, a way of saying that the Wily Oriental Gentlemen aren’t up to it?

http://www.juancole.com/2007/0…..obama.html

Two Koreas exchange shots across border

North and South Korea briefly exchanged gunshots on Monday in the first such skirmish on their heavily armed border in just over a year, a military official said.

There were no reports of any casualties.

Ex-Home Depot boss at Chrysler helm

The board of the reorganized Chrysler LLC elected Nardelli as chairman and chief executive, the company said in a news release Sunday night.

Nardelli, who became chief executive of The Home Depot Inc. in 2000, resigned abruptly in January after criticism over his pay and the company’s slumping share price.

———

Candidates line up to visit Jon Stewart

Sen. Joseph Biden, the Delaware Democrat, is first up this Wednesday. Biden appeared on “The Daily Show” last winter on the day he announced his candidacy.

Republican John McCain makes his 10th appearance on Aug. 16, followed by another Republican, former Wisconsin Gov. Tommy Thompson, on Aug. 20.

On Aug. 22, Democratic contender Barack Obama comes back to the show for a second time, his first as a declared candidate.

Just a reminder (albeit an unpleasant one) that this is the 62nd anniversary of the first use of nuclear weapons in anger, on Hiroshima.

Now that we have a President who professes not to be afraid to use them in anger, or in calculated fury, once again, it’s time to reflect, soberly and solemnly, on how we arrived at this point in time.

Good morning pups! Let’s get to work.

SteveClemons highlights Jane Mayer’s article about U.S. black sites, torture of high value prisoners, what that means about inability to prosecute them, and potential ability to prosecute the torturers.

Apparently there is also doubt as to KSM’s participation in Danny Pearl’s murder.

Critics of the administration fear that the unorthodox nature of the C.I.A.’s interrogation and detention program will make it impossible to prosecute the entire top echelon of Al Qaeda leaders in captivity. Already, according to the Wall Street Journal, credible allegations of torture have caused a Marine Corps prosecutor reluctantly to decline to bring charges against Mohamedou Ould Slahi, an alleged Al Qaeda leader held in Guantanamo. Bruce Riedel, the former C.I.A. analyst, asked, “What are you going to do with K.S.M. in the long run? It’s a very good question. I don’t think anyone has an answer. If you took him to any real American court, I think any judge would say there is no admissible evidence. It would be thrown out.”
The problems with Mohammed’s coerced confessions are especially glaring in the Daniel Pearl case. It may be that Mohammed killed Pearl, but contradictory evidence and opinion continue to surface.

Steve recommends the full, detailed article:
http://www.newyorker.com/repor…..rentPage=1

egregious @ 102

Good morning pups! Let’s get to work.

Good morning. We’ve been working for awhile. Join us.

Clemons also highlights some tension between AEI’s corporate sponsors and its neocon crowd. Just crumbs now, it seems, but worth keeping an eye on.
http://www.thewashingtonnote.c…..002262.php

Have mercy eCAHN, it isn’t even 6:00 here yet.

From Mitch at 53:

However, if this makes it harder to impeach the president (by undermining the argument that what he did re: FISA was an unacceptable breach of our civil rights) well, then, we’ve been fucked.

I believe undermining was a major objective. I can think of two possible reasons.

1) From a descrption of what criminologists call neutralization technique:

[Neutralization] is a psychological method for people to turn off ‘inner protests’ when they do, or are about to do something wrong.

One way to do that is to besmirch those who would stop one’s wrongdoing somehow, so that their own perceived incorrectness “neutralizes” them. If the mud that is thrown is foul enough, then not only can the offender then ignore the wouldbe corrector, but that person also suffers a loss of standing in their own eyes, or even the eyes of society or the law.

It’s similar to fear of exposure, but as with this bill, it can take place right out in the open, and therefore puts Congress in a position where really poor players can get cheap points off them easily if they try to move against Bush, without the need for directed coordination from that wheezing wurlitzer.

Should anyone ask what the Bush administration has accomplished in its term, I think this list of neutralization methods would provide a start.

2) I understand that courts have sometimes invoked a “political question” doctrine to avoid ruling on certain disputes between Presidents and Congress. For instance, in not ruing on the Tonkin Gulf resolution, a federal court noted that, though Congress had not declared war in Vietnam, it had

given its wholehearted approval to the action of the President by appropriations and other implementing legislation.

That’s from U.S. versus Mitchell, Connecticut district, 1965, by way of JC Bonifaz, Warrior-King.

If we get this fish home, what will be left but bones? I just grossed myself out.

egregious @ 106

Have mercy eCAHN, it isn’t even 6:00 here yet.

I woke up at 4, couldn’t goback to sleep, watched a trashy movie on TNT, had my coffee, and am now plowing down my toobz sources. Sorry to impose my rare early morning hypers on you.

Good Morning!

Good Morning, everybody. I’ve had no takers on my attempt to muster up some company for my upcoming trip to see my Congressman. He among the worst of the worst, but I will call today and attempt to schedule an appointment.

I believe he will grant me an audience, if not I will sit in his office everyday for this entire “recess”. His Austin ofiice is located only four blocks from my home. Pretty poor planning on his part.

When Richardson was “booed” at the debate in Chicago for saying a balanced budget is a priority, does this mean that Blog Universe is ok with spending more than the government gets? I thought it sort of rude to do that to the candidate, but emotions being high I guess we have to witness blog world to as the intellectual lightweights they truly are. A debate of ideas was too scary for the Second Coming crowd huh? It might really be worth considering not allowing the government to continue amassing the debt payment (interest only) as the Governor was pointing out. Who do you suppose Richardson had in mind to offset the deficit? Well… let’s see. Oh yeah, the super rich! Now that’s one campaign idea that Blog Universe just can’t get it’s head around huh? Out of Iraq will simply have to be the only campaign message or Blog Universe will begin to act like…. dare I say it? A bunch of WATBs.

nonplussed,

We are eager for your report when you get back home! This is a real act of courage on your part. Kudos.

CTuttle @ 27

“…the rock stars are mostly men, and many women bloggers complain of sexism and harassment in the blogosphere.” Are you kidding me! If I even thought a chauvinistic thought I would be flailed here at the Lake!!! The star bloggers are female, no offense Teddy and TRex, but, jeez louiseez!!!

I may be yappy this morning,but it wouldn’t be the first time.

The reporter is right about this,as much as I loathe saying so. FDL is pretty good about not putting up with crap,but out there in the rest of the blogosphere,it’s not so nice. Any female blogger who gets a decent hit count will also get vile trolls and hate mail. Not just garden variety “you suck”hate mail,but threats of assault,rape and violence. It happens to women online ALOT. Ask around at some of the more popular feminist blogs,or even just women dominated ones.

The internet makes people anonymous. That becomes a shield to hide behind while literally trying to terrorize another person. For some people,obviously not everyone does this,but there are some pretty hard core woman haters out there.

Hey You @ 111

When Richardson was “booed” at the debate in Chicago for saying a balanced budget is a priority, does this mean that Blog Universe is ok with spending more than the government gets? I thought it sort of rude to do that to the candidate, but emotions being high I guess we have to witness blog world to as the intellectual lightweights they truly are. A debate of ideas was too scary for the Second Coming crowd huh? It might really be worth considering not allowing the government to continue amassing the debt payment (interest only) as the Governor was pointing out. Who do you suppose Richardson had in mind to offset the deficit? Well… let’s see. Oh yeah, the super rich! Now that’s one campaign idea that Blog Universe just can’t get it’s head around huh? Out of Iraq will simply have to be the only campaign message or Blog Universe will begin to act like…. dare I say it? A bunch of WATBs.

The problem with a balanced budget amendment has nothing to do with whether it’s a good idea to get the federal budget in order. The problem is that it is too inflexible a solution to the problem. It is really bad economic policy, and any sentient prez candidate should know that. BTW, flexible fiscal policy is needed for things like pulling economy out of downturns. The fact that some irresponsible people misuse the flexibility is not a reason for abolishing it.

Morning all. If we’re going to be serious this morn, then let me say that I am alarmed over the FBI search of the home of Thomas Tamm. Alarmed.

Somebody commented in Jane’s thread yesterday about how the CNN announcer read his scripted question, self-answered it and was ready to slide into talking to the other guy. And how effectively Jane got her points in.

This morning I’m listening to Mpls mayor Rybak on Morning with Mika and I’m seeing a variation on the same thing. She asks a question and Rybak responds, leaving much meat in the answer for followup, but there is none. She goes to another question. And then comes back with a followup about 2 questions later.

Are any of these newsreaders capable of functioning without their teleprompters and ear bugs? Do they not have functioning skills of their own? Guess not.

Thanks, Egregious! We’ll see what Lamar Smith thinks about it, he has a lot of ’splaining to do…

eCAHNomics @ 114

Hey You @ 111

When Richardson was “booed” at the debate in Chicago for saying a balanced budget is a priority, does this mean that Blog Universe is ok with spending more than the government gets? I thought it sort of rude to do that to the candidate, but emotions being high I guess we have to witness blog world to as the intellectual lightweights they truly are. A debate of ideas was too scary for the Second Coming crowd huh? It might really be worth considering not allowing the government to continue amassing the debt payment (interest only) as the Governor was pointing out. Who do you suppose Richardson had in mind to offset the deficit? Well… let’s see. Oh yeah, the super rich! Now that’s one campaign idea that Blog Universe just can’t get it’s head around huh? Out of Iraq will simply have to be the only campaign message or Blog Universe will begin to act like…. dare I say it? A bunch of WATBs.

The problem with a balanced budget amendment has nothing to do with whether it’s a good idea to get the federal budget in order. The problem is that it is too inflexible a solution to the problem. It is really bad economic policy, and any sentient prez candidate should know that. BTW, flexible fiscal policy is needed for things like pulling economy out of downturns. The fact that some irresponsible people misuse the flexibility is not a reason for abolishing it.

A balanced budget amendment suits the “simple answer to complex questions” crowd… you know reaganites. Complex arguments are beyond the right wing concept.

Actually Richardson is my first (other than Gore) choice but a balanced budget amendment is just a way to avoid having to make decisions.

“Blogworld as intellectual lightweights”? Wow. Guess you and I attended different parts of kos. You might have missed the discussion among Jane, Christy, and Digby for starters.

Good morning! Thanks Marion, for the coffee and the reads. As usual, Krugman gets to the heart of the matter about the pres. candidates.

And I can’t get to the link right now for some reason, but Bob Schieffer had a thoughtful commentary yesterday on Sen. Stevens and the state of Washington ethics.

Another off-topic: an amazing thing is happening this morning on Washington Journal. Republicans are calling in to discuss last night’s debate, and of the last 8 calls (which is when I started keeping track), 4 of them were in favor of Ron Paul while the other 4 were in favor of other candidates. The 50% of republicans in favor of Ron Paul cited the constitution and executive overreach as the reason.

The backlash is starting.

Ninth call just in: republican woman saying that she’s especially disappointed in all of the repub candidates because she only believes 1/10 of what they say.

Anybody get a paper copy of the incredibly shrinking NYTimes? Lopped another 1-1/2″ off the width (for an annual savings of $10 million). Perfect metaphor for MSM.

Prairie Sunshine @ 121

And I can’t get to the link right now for some reason, but Bob Schieffer had a thoughtful commentary yesterday on Sen. Stevens and the state of Washington ethics.

I think this is Scheiffer’s essay.

SP (at work) @ 122

Another off-topic: an amazing thing is happening this morning on Washington Journal. Republicans are calling in to discuss last night’s debate, and of the last 8 calls (which is when I started keeping track), 4 of them were in favor of Ron Paul while the other 4 were in favor of other candidates. The 50% of republicans in favor of Ron Paul cited the constitution and executive overreach as the reason.

The backlash is starting.

Ninth call just in: republican woman saying that she’s especially disappointed in all of the repub candidates because she only believes 1/10 of what they say.

I noticed awhile ago that there’s a Paul cult on WJ. Also on blogosphere. Politically aware Rs are disgusted with other candidates, it seems. As they should be.

eCAHNomics @ 123

Anybody get a paper copy of the incredibly shrinking NYTimes? Lopped another 1-1/2″ off the width (for an annual savings of $10 million). Perfect metaphor for MSM.

all the news that fits the print

Elliott @ 126

eCAHNomics @ 123

Anybody get a paper copy of the incredibly shrinking NYTimes? Lopped another 1-1/2″ off the width (for an annual savings of $10 million). Perfect metaphor for MSM.

all the news that fits the print

Yeah and when it went to $1.25, I no longer buy it. I did however subscribe to the on-line crossword puzzle since I’m an addict.
My wife loves it… less papers hanging around the house…

Elliott @ 126

eCAHNomics @ 123

Anybody get a paper copy of the incredibly shrinking NYTimes? Lopped another 1-1/2″ off the width (for an annual savings of $10 million). Perfect metaphor for MSM.

all the news that fits the print

hehe!

bonkers @ 128

Elliott @ 126

all the news that fits the print

hehe!

Very punny?

Bay State Librul @ 127

Elliott @ 126

all the news that fits the print

Yeah and when it went to $1.25, I no longer buy it. I did however subscribe to the on-line crossword puzzle since I’m an addict.
My wife loves it… less papers hanging around the house…

my father HAD to do that puzzle everyday, so I think I understand!

After listening to a presentation of the Camden28 who did trashed the records of the the drat board in the Vietnam era in which Howard Zinn was so elequent… I am convinced that the only way to say this nation is by direct action and not trying to influence the political process.

We need a new plowshares 8.. we need to have a jury at trial show that there is a higher moral position that the parsing of laws and BS we are hearing on a daily basis.

We are treading water and the current is taking us out to sea.

It is well past time for direct action. The inside way is not working. Can’t you see that?

Doris Kearns Goodwin coming up on Morning with Mika. Goodwin’s comments yesterday about what makes a great president…and what we, and pointedly by Goodwin the media, should be looking at in coverage of the presidential candidates.

MTP was a reasoned conversation yesterday instead of the usual screamfest talkover b.s. the media tried to present in the post-Crossfire era. And a vast improvement on what surely had to be a nadir for MTP, the good ol’boy lovefest to prop Novak. That was almost as obnoxious/repellant as the Viva Vi*gra ad.

Maybe they’re making progress. So I’m glad to know MSNBC is giving further opportunity for Goodwin to press her case.

SanderO @ 131

It is well past time for direct action. The inside way is not working. Can’t you see that?

Those actions make any lasting change? Things are worse now than then.

Next move?

montag @ 133

SanderO @ 131

It is well past time for direct action. The inside way is not working. Can’t you see that?

Those actions make any lasting change? Things are worse now than then.

Next move?

As someone said during the weekend…
“Shut off your computer, buy a pitchfork, and take to the streets”?

Bay State Librul @ 134

montag @ 133

Those actions make any lasting change? Things are worse now than then.

Next move?

As someone said during the weekend…
“Shut off your computer, buy a pitchfork, and take to the streets”?

yeah, and to start we could poke our neighbors to wake them up.

Cajun, Bluetoe,

As neither of you attended kos I find your characterization of “making nice with the MSM” to be troubling.

We were prepared to be courteous during interviews, without sacrificing our beliefs. Angry outrages would either not be used on the air, or would be collapsed into a sound bite that would reflect poorly on the blog and progressives as a whole.

We are trying to build something here, not become less credible just because somebody sticks a microphone in front of our face.

Bay State Librul @ 133

montag @ 133

Those actions make any lasting change? Things are worse now than then.

Next move?

As someone said during the weekend…
“Shut off your computer, buy a pitchfork, and take to the streets”?

Fat lot of good that will do, unless you get 50 million people to go with you.

Got 50 million people behind you? I don’t see `em behind me.

Poke our neighbors? How about if we start by talking with them. Or better yet, listening.

Bay State Librul @ 127

Elliott @ 126

all the news that fits the print

Yeah and when it went to $1.25, I no longer buy it. I did however subscribe to the on-line crossword puzzle since I’m an addict.
My wife loves it… less papers hanging around the house…

If you have an edu email address you can get the Times Select free.

Hey You @ 111

When Richardson was “booed” at the debate in Chicago for saying a balanced budget is a priority, does this mean that Blog Universe is ok with spending more than the government gets? I thought it sort of rude to do that to the candidate, but emotions being high I guess we have to witness blog world to as the intellectual lightweights they truly are. A debate of ideas was too scary for the Second Coming crowd huh? It might really be worth considering not allowing the government to continue amassing the debt payment (interest only) as the Governor was pointing out. Who do you suppose Richardson had in mind to offset the deficit? Well… let’s see. Oh yeah, the super rich! Now that’s one campaign idea that Blog Universe just can’t get it’s head around huh? Out of Iraq will simply have to be the only campaign message or Blog Universe will begin to act like…. dare I say it? A bunch of WATBs.

I smell… DanGerstein!

Jacqrat @ 140

Hey You @ 111

When Richardson was “booed” at the debate in Chicago for saying a balanced budget is a priority, does this mean that Blog Universe is ok with spending more than the government gets? I thought it sort of rude to do that to the candidate, but emotions being high I guess we have to witness blog world to as the intellectual lightweights they truly are. A debate of ideas was too scary for the Second Coming crowd huh? It might really be worth considering not allowing the government to continue amassing the debt payment (interest only) as the Governor was pointing out. Who do you suppose Richardson had in mind to offset the deficit? Well… let’s see. Oh yeah, the super rich! Now that’s one campaign idea that Blog Universe just can’t get it’s head around huh? Out of Iraq will simply have to be the only campaign message or Blog Universe will begin to act like…. dare I say it? A bunch of WATBs.

I smell… DanGerstein!

And don’t you firepups be rude whatever the fuck you do.

Jacqrat @ 139

I smell… DanGerstein!

Nah, even Gerstein is smarter than this guy…. Not much more, mind you, but, a little.

Glen Greenwald on Democracynow:
http://www.democracynow.org/
FISA is subject.

New thread…

egregious @ 138

Poke our neighbors? How about if we start by talking with them. Or better yet, listening.

I just meant if we were going out in the streets with our pitchforks we could start by involving and informing those around us who seem to be sound asleep right now. didn’t really mean it literally