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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/04/late-night-fun-fun-fun/#comment-875497</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-873266&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;noen @ 88&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-873246&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;egregious @ 74&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
…&lt;br /&gt;
So they are listening to everything I say on the phone, everything I send on the internet, monitoring my travel?  &lt;b&gt;So what?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have worked in the former Soviet Union, and just assumed the government was monitoring me all the time.  Can it really be worse here?  I refused to be intimidated.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Take action anyway. Do something: lead, follow, support, teach, learn.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Total Information Awareness means a good deal more than that and Bush can back it up by seizing everything you and anyone who has worked with you own.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your cell phone can be turned into a listening bug even if it is turned off and some have GPS chips in them. There are systems with enough AI to track your every movement from orbit. Many cars today have tracking devices built in. If not, the computers can recognize your car and track it from space. Every financial transaction, every debt, every credit purchase.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Every breath you take&lt;br /&gt;
Every move you make&lt;br /&gt;
I’ll be watching you&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do we have anybody in Congress who would put forward legislation to put an end to those capabilities? Is it even technically possible to end those capabilities?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-873266"><em>noen @ 88</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-873246"><em>egregious @ 74</em></a></p>
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…<br />
So they are listening to everything I say on the phone, everything I send on the internet, monitoring my travel?  <b>So what?</b></p>
<p>I have worked in the former Soviet Union, and just assumed the government was monitoring me all the time.  Can it really be worse here?  I refused to be intimidated.</p>
<p>Take action anyway. Do something: lead, follow, support, teach, learn.</p>
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<p>Total Information Awareness means a good deal more than that and Bush can back it up by seizing everything you and anyone who has worked with you own.</p>
<p>Your cell phone can be turned into a listening bug even if it is turned off and some have GPS chips in them. There are systems with enough AI to track your every movement from orbit. Many cars today have tracking devices built in. If not, the computers can recognize your car and track it from space. Every financial transaction, every debt, every credit purchase.</p>
<p><em>Every breath you take<br />
Every move you make<br />
I’ll be watching you</em></p>
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<p>Do we have anybody in Congress who would put forward legislation to put an end to those capabilities? Is it even technically possible to end those capabilities?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/04/late-night-fun-fun-fun/#comment-875480</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-873227&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;eCAHNomics @ 65&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Here’s a quick list of Ds voting for FISA, subject to transcription, typo, ommission &amp; all other types of errors:&lt;br /&gt;
…
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, is this where we make our list of congressional seats to contest with true-blue candidates?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>Here’s a quick list of Ds voting for FISA, subject to transcription, typo, ommission &amp; all other types of errors:<br />
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<p>So, is this where we make our list of congressional seats to contest with true-blue candidates?</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/04/late-night-fun-fun-fun/#comment-873909</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 10:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-873356&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LoudounLib @ 168&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;We have a flag pin as part of our uniform assembly at work.  Lately I’ve been pinning that on upside-down on my uniform shirt collar.  Either nobody has noticed, or if they’ve noticed they’re in agreement.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good idea! And if they complain just say “Oh, I guess the country just got turned around.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-873356"><em>LoudounLib @ 168</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>We have a flag pin as part of our uniform assembly at work.  Lately I’ve been pinning that on upside-down on my uniform shirt collar.  Either nobody has noticed, or if they’ve noticed they’re in agreement.</p>
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<p>Good idea! And if they complain just say “Oh, I guess the country just got turned around.”</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/04/late-night-fun-fun-fun/#comment-873908</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 10:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-873298&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Twain @ 116&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-873288&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;SeamusD @ 108&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Sheehan doesn’t have to convince anyone on the Peninsula, just San Francisco, and that’s a lot easier. Pelosi is rapidly losing support in the City.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess I will have to say it again. I have the greatest respect for Cindy. However, she does not live in SF, she is a one-issue candidate, and Nancy is the most popular Dem SF has ever had. She is NOT going to lose to Cindy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For the same amount of political contributions and effort by the progressives to oust Pelosi, we’d likely be able to throw out Lungren, Dreir, and Bilbray.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And what would we get once Pelosi is out? Steny Hoyer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another great move by the Green-wing of the party…who abandoned it in the 90’s and early part of this millenia.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-873298"><em>Twain @ 116</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-873288"><em>SeamusD @ 108</em></a></p>
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<p>Sheehan doesn’t have to convince anyone on the Peninsula, just San Francisco, and that’s a lot easier. Pelosi is rapidly losing support in the City.</p>
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<p>I guess I will have to say it again. I have the greatest respect for Cindy. However, she does not live in SF, she is a one-issue candidate, and Nancy is the most popular Dem SF has ever had. She is NOT going to lose to Cindy.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>For the same amount of political contributions and effort by the progressives to oust Pelosi, we’d likely be able to throw out Lungren, Dreir, and Bilbray.</p>
<p>And what would we get once Pelosi is out? Steny Hoyer.</p>
<p>Another great move by the Green-wing of the party…who abandoned it in the 90’s and early part of this millenia.</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/04/late-night-fun-fun-fun/#comment-873558</link>
		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 05:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-873434&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LoudounLib @ 240&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;didn’t American Home Mortgage just lay off thousands of workers, and nobody will back them anymore?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2007/08/american-home-mortgage-to-file-for.html&quot;&gt;American Home Mortgage to file for bankruptcy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And in the linked article, check out what the founder had just done.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amendment: Also, note that AHM was &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; a subprime lender. It’s time to treat claims that this is a subprime problem with the disdain that greets claims that the surge in Iraq is working.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-873434"><em>LoudounLib @ 240</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>didn’t American Home Mortgage just lay off thousands of workers, and nobody will back them anymore?</p>
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<p><a href="http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2007/08/american-home-mortgage-to-file-for.html">American Home Mortgage to file for bankruptcy</a></p>
<p>And in the linked article, check out what the founder had just done.</p>
<p>Amendment: Also, note that AHM was <i>not</i> a subprime lender. It’s time to treat claims that this is a subprime problem with the disdain that greets claims that the surge in Iraq is working.</p>
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		<title>By: SunnyNobility</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/04/late-night-fun-fun-fun/#comment-873518</link>
		<dc:creator>SunnyNobility</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 05:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-873382&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Valley Girl @ 192&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-873371&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;SunnyNobility @ 182&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Indeed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;except, as you will see as you read on, I caved in (without thinking about it) to glories of Welsh rugby past.  Rugby- my only defense is that I was channeling LHP and Marcie for the fighting spirit.  ;)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;makes sense to me&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-873382"><em>Valley Girl @ 192</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-873371"><em>SunnyNobility @ 182</em></a></p>
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<p>Indeed.</p>
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<p>except, as you will see as you read on, I caved in (without thinking about it) to glories of Welsh rugby past.  Rugby- my only defense is that I was channeling LHP and Marcie for the fighting spirit.  ;)</p>
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<p>makes sense to me</p>
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		<title>By: yellowdog jim</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/04/late-night-fun-fun-fun/#comment-873502</link>
		<dc:creator>yellowdog jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 05:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-873466&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LS @ 261&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-873451&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;yellowdog jim @ 255&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;poke me.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I just tried.  You are my neighbor..sort of…your picture is so….Austin!  Love it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;thanks.&lt;br /&gt;
i’ll change back to my other picture here in a minute so you may see my mug.&lt;br /&gt;
this is the only warning you will get.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-873466"><em>LS @ 261</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-873451"><em>yellowdog jim @ 255</em></a></p>
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<p>poke me.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I just tried.  You are my neighbor..sort of…your picture is so….Austin!  Love it.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>thanks.<br />
i’ll change back to my other picture here in a minute so you may see my mug.<br />
this is the only warning you will get.</p>
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		<title>By: Bustednuckles</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/04/late-night-fun-fun-fun/#comment-873495</link>
		<dc:creator>Bustednuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 05:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-873488&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bob Schacht @ 265&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/5/01943/25391&quot;&gt;Meteor Blades over on DailyKos&lt;/a&gt; identifies the 41 bluedog Democrats who voted with the Repugs to pass the Administration’s FISA bill today. I note with relief that both of our Hawaii Representatives apparently voted against it (because they’re not on the list). But one of our senators (bluedog Inouye) voted for it. Cruise on over to DKos and see if your rep is one of the weak-kneed bluedogs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It looks like I won’t have to send another scathing email to my reps, yet.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-873488"><em>Bob Schacht @ 265</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/5/01943/25391">Meteor Blades over on DailyKos</a> identifies the 41 bluedog Democrats who voted with the Repugs to pass the Administration’s FISA bill today. I note with relief that both of our Hawaii Representatives apparently voted against it (because they’re not on the list). But one of our senators (bluedog Inouye) voted for it. Cruise on over to DKos and see if your rep is one of the weak-kneed bluedogs.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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<p>It looks like I won’t have to send another scathing email to my reps, yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Schacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/04/late-night-fun-fun-fun/#comment-873488</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Schacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 05:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/5/01943/25391&quot;&gt;Meteor Blades over on DailyKos&lt;/a&gt; identifies the 41 bluedog Democrats who voted with the Repugs to pass the Administration’s FISA bill today. I note with relief that both of our Hawaii Representatives apparently voted against it (because they’re not on the list). But one of our senators (bluedog Inouye) voted for it. Cruise on over to DKos and see if your rep is one of the weak-kneed bluedogs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/5/01943/25391">Meteor Blades over on DailyKos</a> identifies the 41 bluedog Democrats who voted with the Repugs to pass the Administration’s FISA bill today. I note with relief that both of our Hawaii Representatives apparently voted against it (because they’re not on the list). But one of our senators (bluedog Inouye) voted for it. Cruise on over to DKos and see if your rep is one of the weak-kneed bluedogs.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: jc inOR</title>
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		<dc:creator>jc inOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 05:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-873298&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Twain @ 116&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-873288&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;SeamusD @ 108&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sheehan doesn’t have to convince anyone on the Peninsula, just San Francisco, and that’s a lot easier. Pelosi is rapidly losing support in the City.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You right (about ‘the Peninsula’, Seamus.  I was using Peninsula as in the tip of the peninsula, which contradicts local usage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I guess I will have to say it again. I have the greatest respect for Cindy. However, she does not live in SF, she is a one-issue candidate, and Nancy is the most popular Dem SF has ever had. She is NOT going to lose to Cindy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, I guess we are slow students. Maybe I missed that lecture. :) That was my take on Nancy’s base, too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, I am wondering who do the Pelosi dumpers think will become speaker?  And what plum assignments would Sheehan get?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Having worked for some super-long shots for local and other office , I can let you know the moral victory of doing so can be so not worth it sometimes.  I’ll let Californians be the judge of this one.  I have a neighbor raising funds and blogging for Sheehan from here, which is far from there. It seems sort of sad. I don’t think Cindy is going to pull Willy Brown, and if that don’t happen, and you may rest assured it won’t, I don’t think she stands a chance.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-873298"><em>Twain @ 116</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-873288"><em>SeamusD @ 108</em></a></p>
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<p>Sheehan doesn’t have to convince anyone on the Peninsula, just San Francisco, and that’s a lot easier. Pelosi is rapidly losing support in the City.</p>
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<p>You right (about ‘the Peninsula’, Seamus.  I was using Peninsula as in the tip of the peninsula, which contradicts local usage.</p>
<blockquote><p>I guess I will have to say it again. I have the greatest respect for Cindy. However, she does not live in SF, she is a one-issue candidate, and Nancy is the most popular Dem SF has ever had. She is NOT going to lose to Cindy.</p>
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<p>Oh, I guess we are slow students. Maybe I missed that lecture. :) That was my take on Nancy’s base, too.</p>
<p>Also, I am wondering who do the Pelosi dumpers think will become speaker?  And what plum assignments would Sheehan get?  </p>
<p>Having worked for some super-long shots for local and other office , I can let you know the moral victory of doing so can be so not worth it sometimes.  I’ll let Californians be the judge of this one.  I have a neighbor raising funds and blogging for Sheehan from here, which is far from there. It seems sort of sad. I don’t think Cindy is going to pull Willy Brown, and if that don’t happen, and you may rest assured it won’t, I don’t think she stands a chance.</p>
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