Oh, fun! Anne-Marie Slaughter is back for more. You may recall that last week the delightful Ms. Slaughter wrote that “Partisans” had “Gone Wild,” complaining that
The fiercest battle is no longer between the left and the right but between partisanship and bipartisanship. The Bush administration, which has been notorious for playing to its hard-right base, has started reaching across the aisle, with its admirable immigration bill (even though it failed), with its new push for a diplomatic strategy toward North Korea and Iran, and above all with its choice of three seasoned moderates for important positions: Robert M. Gates as defense secretary, John D. Negroponte as deputy secretary of state and Robert B. Zoellick as World Bank president.
This of course attracted ridicule. The reason it attracted such ridicule is that it was ridiculous.
Well, here she is again, defending the ridiculous.
As if to prove the headline to my article in Outlook, angry attacks from the left have been plentiful this week online. (See here , here and here.) Reading these responses, it occurs to me that a lot of what goes on in the blogosphere is the verbal equivalent of road rage (although I take the point made on Democracy Arsenal that pundits need to develop thick skins).
“Road rage”? Hmmm. Well, I guess if you deliberately drive your clown car into a tractor-trailer filled with lemon meringue pies, and then everyone collapses in gales of helpless laughter as you emerge from the delicious, fiery wreck and Demand to Be Taken Seriously, all a-dripping in custard.. then I suppose Slaughter is the victim of “road rage” after all.
There’s a lot to snark at here, but as I am currently beating back a Toddler Uprising (don’t ask), I’ll confine myself to looking at this:
Another friend and mentor groaned at my suggestion that politicians seeking to push for real solutions to public policy problems publicly appear with someone from the other party, calling it wimpy girl stuff. The blogosphere prefers the increasingly standard pejorative of “kumbaya-ism.” The irony, of course, is that standing with folks on the other side of the aisle takes much more strength and courage than standing on your side and lobbing epithets across. Republicans need that courage more than Democrats — on immigration, global warming, torture, wiretapping — the list goes on. But Democrats need it too — above all on how to get out of Iraq and on how to continue and intensify the use of diplomacy to prevent Iran from getting the bomb.
“Wimpy girl stuff”…? And this is from your “mentor”? Explains a lot.
Look, we don’t condemn preening jackasses like Joe Lieberman for being “girlish” when they decide to, oh, I don’t know, attend GOP strategy sessions. That would be inane and sexist.
We condemn it because such behavior has helped to legitimize stupid wars and torture.
It hasn’t required “courage” for Lieberman to do this. Having a lot of people who hang out on blogs think you’re a dick is not really much of a cross to bear, after all — not if you dig the DC Party Circuit, getting drooled over on the idiot Sunday AM blabberfests, and being praised to the skies by the Elite Punditry for your “principles.” No, aisle-crossing has been the default position for Democrats for too damn long. And it hasn’t worked. In a rather spectacular fashion.
It’s really not all that difficult a point to grasp.
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good fucking night
wheeee
Third?
First ten?
Oh yea, great post.
Let’s go Mariners!
What do we do now?
Oh good. There’s my waffles!
Evening, Thers.
Hi Thers!
Let’s all become Republicans and change their party from within.
My fellow Californians,
Our state’s Congressional delegation didn’t exactly distinguish itself in today’s vote to permanently suspend the Constitution (yes, that is uncharacteristic hyperbole coming from me, but I’m so angry right now that I can barely type, so please bear with me).
It’s time to get to work.
Rather than waste time and resources on Cindy Sheehan, let’s identify the vulnerable Republicans and BURY THE FUCKERS!!!
I gotta go iron some tinfoil.
-GSD
Hi everyone! So sorry about tonight’s fiasco. But I also wanted to throw out a crumb for people to feel a bit better….
I couldn’t find a blog that is devoted to posts about policy and issues, so I created one and am looking for issues/policy authors to group blog and group lead, plus of course, readers and commenters to grow, comment and direct the flow of the blog.
I’m going to stay with my healthcare focus, and I hope others will chime in with the issues and policies that are near and dear to them.
With all of the focus on campaigns and candidates, the issues as presented get fragmented, and often are lost in the swirl of information and in the news of the day.
Thers @ 8
I’m gonna add cinnamon with the maple syrup to put on those waffles
Well said, burns!
LS @ 7
We visit, en mass, our Congressman or Congresswoman. In the flesh. Period. Like Pach told us we would have to to make this thing happen. And he has always been right about that.
Mine is Lantos.
GSD @ 13
Iron some for me too while you’re at it. I hate ironing, but I’ll gladly take a tin foil hand-out at this time..
I think I want a ‘Don’t Tread On Me’ flag. has a rattlesnake on it and is genuinely historically American.
I know someone who flies the Brandywine flag: thirteen stars in a half-circle around a ‘76′ and 7 white/6 red stripes. Gets attention, because people don’t quite recognize it, and to fly it correctly (with the nubers reading correctly) you have to put the stars on the ‘wrong’ side.
LS @ 7
You vent, you forget, then you vote the same f*ckers in again.
If anyone wants to write Anne-Marie, this is her email address:
slaughtr@princeton.edu
Don’t you use the at the WaPo op-ed. And yes, her email is public because I got it here:
http://webdb.princeton.edu/dbt…..D=slaughtr
newtonusr @ 17
I would have to visit Cornyn and KBHutchison…they will never change. Never.
The FISA vote really pissed me off..but we need to quit pissing and moaning..it’s attracting trolls. In the last few threads, I am seeing new screen names talking about the “Democrat” party and I’m not giving any more money to the Dems, etc., blah, blah.
The fascists have been gnawing at the Constitution for since FDR; and we quit after seven months? As Howie Klein pointed out, it’s the early money that really helps the progressive candidates. Change the Party one primary at a time.
Correction: Bennington flag.
cahuenga @ 20
No I don’t.
Thers!
Evening all. I see we have the dreaded Toddler Uprising in progress. I remember those (vaguely). Seems that they made more sense than the illustrious Ms Slaughter.
Gates: Iran-Contra
Negroponte: Honduran death squads
Zoellick: neocon
These are moderates?
LS @ 22
Do it anyway. Make ‘em sweat. Make the RSCC divert resources from other races to defend those two pieces of shit. Have faith in the common sense of your fellow Texans. Any state that can produce Barbara Jordan, Jim Hightower, Ann Richards, and Molly Ivins should never be written off.
burnspbesq @ 12
I second the emotion.
Hugh @ 27
Bingo…they’re baaack…in full force
An alternate explanation for why our Dem Leaders went along with Bush
What Marty Lederman said:
from a commentator at Balkinization
This is speculation, but it would explain a few things. It’s quite a chilling thought.
Just a “drive-by-meowing”.
Blessings of the Madre del Gatos del Paradiso be upon joo for addressing thees nonsense een such a manner, Sr. Reyes.
Much more succinct, and much less vituperative than I would have been.
Gracias.
so.
A reminder:
The journey from Lexington and Concord to Yorktown took six and a half years. The journey that we embark upon tonight may take every bit as long. But the only way we lose is if we quit.
BigMitch @ 6
Damn! Barry’s launched 755! And it’s still early!!! Bosox with a tenuous lead!
CTuttle @ 34
*
!El Gato Negro! @ 32
thanks for stopping by, el gato
frankly, I couldn’t give a fuck about sports this eve.
Steve-AR @ 23
Yaw, Maan! I thought I noticed a lot of flake in the lake. Sometimes I even suspect myself!
newton, yep — *
burnspbesq @ 28
Don’t forget LBJ. Yeah, Vietnam was a big fu-k up, but he did a lot of other good.
If Leahey, Waxman, Feingold, Valerie and Joe Wilson, Sheldon Whitehouse, Patrick Fitzgerald…can all go forward..I go forward with them…Whatever so-called “party” they are in, I don’t care…I’m with them….
P J Evans @ 19
I started flying a U.N. flag after 9/11 as a protest to jingoism.
burnspbesq @ 33
Less than % of the population supported the Revolution.
“We could stay up all night telling manly stories, and in the morning, I’m making waffles.”
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 40
I would have nothing to say to them personally other than, I want you the hell out of my life and out of my state, and out of my country.
noen @ 31
It is chilling! But, they’ve already vacuumed up every electrical emission for years now! What’s the Diff? My $.02!!! *g*
I took a look at the Ds voting for FISA tonight. Didn’t recognize any netroots names offhand, but checked Walz & found he was a 1st termer. Was he netroots?
My suggestion:
Make these fuckers listen to us. Every fucking time my rep or senator doesn’t do what I want, I’m going to let them know. I’m gonna let their staff know. I don’t give a rat’s ass if they have an R or a D after their names – fuckers are gonna hear me roar every fucking time they say something I disagree with.
Every dayam one of has to do the same thing. Every fucking day. Call em. Send em emails and faxes. Show up where they are speechifying this month. They are home to meet with constituents – well, I am a constituent and they are gonna listen to what I have to say because that is their job.
Valley Girl @ 37
Entschuldigen Sie Bitte!!!
CTuttle @ 46
Really, well bring it on. Put me out of my misery of living under a dictatorial, authoritarian government. What..ev…er. I am not afraid of them. Not one bit.
eCAHNomics @ 47
left u a reply downstairs
CTuttle @ 46
The difference is this:
Bush’s Executive Order on Lebanon Even Worse than the One on Iraq
With no oversight there is no guarantee that this EO would remain limited in scope at all.
Some anti-impeachment guy named Tomasky is spouting off in the Post:
The Dumbest Move the Dems Could Make
By Michael Tomasky
Sunday, August 5, 2007; B02
“Impeach or else!”
That was the headline that one liberal Web site ran over a recent interview with the antiwar activist Cindy Sheehan, who has been demanding that President Bush and Vice President Cheney be chucked out of office. But the Bush administration isn’t her only target. Sheehan is so frustrated with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi — who declared impeachment “off the table” even before the Democrats took control of Congress — that she is threatening to run against her. [continues]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..67_pf.html
LS @ 50
My point, exactly!!! Analyze this!!! *g*
I believe the Rs are about to bust Murtha on his ethical liabilities on the Floor, they are definitely embarassing him. Pence is sitting back there smirking. Murtha is highly pissed.
Hugh @ 27
They are now. These are the people trying to put the crazies back into the box.
burnspbesq @ 33
Sort of like the lottery. If you don’t play you can’t win.
I’ve got about six more minutes of Howard Dean’s keynote left to transcribe, but it’s not happening tonight. The first three parts are here.
educated plaintiff @ 61
Woodstock-cool
I’m in New Paltz; Gardiner if you want to be technical.
That was JFK’s war that LBJ got stuck with. He was also stuck with the JFK “neocons” McNamara, et al.
JFK’s “we will stop them in Viet Naaaaam; was about as smart as Bush going into Iraq.
Burnsbesq, LS, Suzanne … your words are inspiring … I hope you call your Representatives,
no matter what party and get everyone you know to call them as well.
America was built by the strong, by perseverence and it will be rebuilt thusly !
CTuttle @ 54
Yeah! This too!! Why would the analyzers themselves want their families to live in under a dictatorship ultimately….analyzers…read this!
LS @ 41
I’m particularly impressed with Leahy’s “strongly worded letters” every time Gonzales lies before the Senate.
egregious @ 56
Yes, but how do we tell them apart?
Here’s a quick list of Ds voting for FISA, subject to transcription, typo, ommission & all other types of errors:
Barrow
Bean
Boswell
Boyd
Carney
Chandler
Cooper
Costa
Cramer
Cuellar
David (AL)
Davis, Lincoln
Donnelly
Edwards
Ellsworth
Etheridge
Gordon
Herseth Sandlin
Higgins
Hill
Lampson
Lepinski
Marshall
Matheson
Melanion
Mitchell
Peterson (MN)
Pomeroy
Rodriquez
Ross
Salazar
Shuler
Snyder
Tanner
Walz
Wilson (OH)
eCAHNomics @ 59
lucky you. Isn’t that where the old grist mill is?
egregious … what was the highlight of your day in Chicago?
eCAHNomics @ 59
*waving south*
thinking about moving to n.p. someday
George @ 53
He makes a strong case.
hi eg! I don’t think I’ve ever seen you here this late!
LS @ 66
The old grist mill property (not the mill itself) now has a real live commercial still. Produces mostly vodkas, but just found out they now have a bourbon too.
Do you know where the Ulster Co. fairgrounds is (are?)? Are you familiar with the road? Mine is the red brick historic house on right 1-3/4 miles south of fairgrounds.
LS, EP
That’s my country house. Also in city. But and other FDLers in the neighborhood? Could get together sometime.
So I guess the “we don’t need a fourth amendment” went as little boots wanted. Tried to watch but could not bear it. I will not feed the trolls, but must admit I am puzzled and sadden, yet unsurprised.
blue e @ 67
Realizing these nation stealers do not make me afraid.
So they are listening to everything I say on the phone, everything I send on the internet, monitoring my travel? So what?
I have worked in the former Soviet Union, and just assumed the government was monitoring me all the time. Can it really be worse here? I refused to be intimidated.
Take action anyway. Do something: lead, follow, support, teach, learn.
Valley Girl @ 37
I never do, but that’s just me.
eCAHNomics @ 71
I haven’t been there in maybe 15 years, but I almost bought some property with an outstanding view of Mohonk on a road going south from NP…it bordered property owned by “Duponts”…it was an old house and an old barn, with an amazing sweeping view right toward Mohonk. I still see it clearly in my mind’s eye. I think it was on the same road as the grist mill, but further south.
egregious @ 74
RIGHT!!!!
Thers,
I am SO SORRY.
I didn’t mean to step on your post. I saw the comments below were over 300, and didn’t have a schedule, so I put up a new thread.
If the mods know how to take down my thread, plaese do so.
LHP
DrDick @ 29
I’ve been ‘wasting’ my time on impeachment here, and was pleasantly surprised when my Rep(resentative) not (publican) signed on to the call for a Gonzalez impeachment inquiry. I don’t think the time is wasted, because I feel there is a substantial groundswell to be organized. Yet, I agree Sheehan’s current tactic takes us off track. Having lived in the Bay Area, I know they can elect leftists. But those leftists are ones with roots and a track record–staying power, Dellums, Lee, anti-war Republican Pete McCloskey, a former US Representative who recently endorsed Kerry, and probably others. Sheehan has shown strength and determination, but I don’t see how that translates to a challenge on the Peninsula.
LS @ 76
Don’t know exactly which one this might be but there are a few of such descriptions.
argosfalcon @ 73
My eternal optimism in humanity has been tested sorely, once again! But, my cynicism has been reinvigorated by ‘our’ House!!! :-(
eCAHNomics @ 72
i would love that – lets keep our eyes open for others here in the HV
Fern @ 75
haha! I am so weak! I saw LHP’s post, and posted a you tube of the “greatest try ever”, just for encouragement. It really is a joy to watch. rugby.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwCbG4I0QyA
Well from the tone, this does not bode well for the future. But it remains to be seen what will happen next, maybe this two year march to the next election maybe a good thing, analysis and fact checking everyones statements at some point generate more light than heat.
Valley Girl @ 83
Okay, I might make an exception for rugby.
Educated Plaintiff @ 82
None of us are in facebook. My email is my name and reluctant to put it in a thread. Would it be OK with you & mod if mod sent me your email?
spew alert required:
Negroponte:
The Butcher of Guatemala
egregious @ 74
Total Information Awareness means a good deal more than that and Bush can back it up by seizing everything you and anyone who has worked with you own.
Your cell phone can be turned into a listening bug even if it is turned off and some have GPS chips in them. There are systems with enough AI to track your every movement from orbit. Many cars today have tracking devices built in. If not, the computers can recognize your car and track it from space. Every financial transaction, every debt, every credit purchase.
Every breath you take
Every move you make
I’ll be watching you
LHP, I”m going to close comments on your thread (and save it for later when it will be needed)
eCAHNomics @ 86
I’m no longer in NY State. Just a beautiful memory. I’m in facebook, but I can’t figure half of it out…I so love that part of the country though – it is a huge part of my past.
yellowdog jim @ 87
What fine stewards of our freedoms they will be, never in the course of human events have so few done so much to so many is such a horrible way, and been so bold and open about it.
eCAHNomics @ 86
yes – dont want to post mine on the thread either – ok for mod to give it to u.
Fern @ 85
hehe! me too. got to know the best of rugby when I lived with a Welshman in the UK, back in the glorious times of Gareth, JPR, etc. It really was a different game than others that I’d seen, and probably alas, different now.
But, the sound of all Welshmen singing the national anthem in (as it was) Cardiff Arms Park was simply amazing.
not then, but still:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpYogExUngU
Suzanne @ 89
Please do. And good night tot he rest of you.
I have kids visting and will be up early tomorrow making breakfas, so I’m off to bed,
should be an “in” in there some where.
Educated Plaintiff @ 92
Me too Mod.
Suzanne @ 89
so …
i have a zed in the bag.
may have to quit while i’m ahead.
looseheadprop @ 94
Good night LHP.
whispers another mod request…can you please explain to LS how she can log in here at FDL?
looseheadprop @ 94
nite lhp – thanks again for all you do
I’m off. ‘Night to everyone.
LoudounLib @ 99
Ha, ha. here? or in facebook?
Educated Plaintiff @ 92
The Mods are too busy to do this right now – and usually only do email exchanges only when there are minors involved.
I just wanna say I’m hurt. I’m not really part of the blogosphere, just a humble commenter, but I put up a snarky comment on the WaPo site, as did hundreds of others, and we want acknowledgment for our share of the custard.
noen @ 31
eCAHNomics @ 101
im off too ~ nite ~
Night LHP.
jc inOR @ 79
Sheehan doesn’t have to convince anyone on the Peninsula, just San Francisco, and that’s a lot easier. Pelosi is rapidly losing support in the City.
LS @ 103
;-) here — it really is easy! and I wanna be your FB friend ;-)
Educated Plaintiff @ 92
You can get a completely free and anonymous e-mail account at http://www.asarian-host.org
Y’know, for a party claiming to be the party of the common people and civil rights and the New Deal and the Constitution, the Democrats certainly do have more than their share of cheese dicks….
LoudounLib @ 109
I did all the facebook stuff. I have a homepage, etc. I cannot figure out how to get the “f” thingy. D’oh….
Still keeping half an eye on CSPAN here. WTF does this mean: Sessions of Texas, amendment on agreeing to the amendment ??
Suzanne @ 89
Heh, heh.
Hi Suzanne, again.
montag @ 111
can we talk about rugby? probably more rewarding. ;)
SeamusD @ 108
I guess I will have to say it again. I have the greatest respect for Cindy. However, she does not live in SF, she is a one-issue candidate, and Nancy is the most popular Dem SF has ever had. She is NOT going to lose to Cindy.
/snark.
LS, if you scroll up to near the top of this page, and look for Meta on the right, just click on login and you can get yourself a password for this site and go from there (IIRC)
noen @ 110
thanks! i will check it out
Bustednuckles @ 114
saw that – you wanna try and do it again.. be my guinea pig so to speak (evil grin)
LoudounLib @ 113
One of 8 amendments to the defense spending bill.
Valley Girl @ 115
Don’t know anything about rugby, but I’m getting some object lessons in cheesedickery, lately….
Twain @ 116
You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.
LS @ 121
They’re going to have an awfully long night!
Oh! I saved dakine’s f book thingie instructions…
Go to the “Meta” box at the bottom of the far right column
Register with FDL
Wait for an e-mail from FDL with a password
Go to your Facebook Profile and copy the URL. Make sure you get the actual Profile with the long number at the end rather than just the layout.
After you get the FDL password, come back here and click on the Login link. Login to your FDL Profile, fill in the appropriate information including pasting the Facebook link info in to the appropriate box in your FDL profile.
Save profile.
You should then have the facebook icon showing when you comment.
You have to re-log in each time you restart your machine or browser.
noen @ 69
Brilliant leadership like this is exactly what got us where we are tonight on the FISA vote. Well, as long as we are going to live in debilitating fear of terrorism; I guess we might just as well live in mortal fear of actually DOING THE RIGHT THING. You know, the one that the Constitution itself calls for; the one that Madison stated was exactly the situation the impeachment provisions were included for. I am so sick and tired of hearing democrats and progressives lamenting the continuous and ongoing harm being done to our democracy, and then in the next breath cower in fear over how it will look to stand up and do what the Constitution and citizenship demands you must do. Absolutely mind boggling.
wangdangdoodle @ 125
Thanks, wangdang… the Mod Squad is hopping – we had 300 comments in one hour tonight… dayam busy at the lake…
Suzanne @ 120
Xo Xo,
Busted.
PS.
Good one.
PPS.
Hi VG!
Damn, my local PBS is airing BTO’s ‘Takin care of Bizness’, I’m pissed the House didn’t!!!
Cheesedickery. Now there’s a lovely word. Better than fuckery and chickenshittery, if you ask me.
wangdangdoodle, you rawk!
(but I never need to re-login, at least on my system — each time I fire up my browser I’m already logged in here, as this site is in my start group)
wangdangdoodle @ 125
Nice!
LoudounLib @ 118
Heh. For days, I’ve been searching the FB pages for “meta”….that it too funny….
Glad to be of service, ma’am!
wangdangdoodle @ 130
Ah, well, the language changes with the times, doesn’t it? :)
I’m not sold on the confederate flag. But, it would be great if we had some sort of symbol to put on a bumper sticker/tshirt/cap/pin…whatever that was unique to the netroots. Then we could identify each other. It would be nice to see someone wearing a pin that let me know that they were part of the ‘resistance’.
Personally, I’d like a pin that said “We the People…” I’d buy a bunch of them to always be sure I had one to put on. And I’d look for others wearing the same pin.
How about that for an FDL fundraiser?
The first steps were taken a few years ago, now Your ISP has to compile, the big ones willing partners. Yes I have heard if your doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about, and so in some cities you must have a permit to film on public property, all those wonder phones with GPS now have added hidden features. Most folks know nothing about internet security, and are easy marks. When I first heard of a feature in Vista (the OS) I thought now thats a nice tin foil hat now I wonder. We all will do what we can I hope for as long as we can, remember rust never sleeps, and the voice of freedom will not be stilled. (end of rant)
montag @ 135
Cheesedickery…that sounds positively Monty Python-ish, and I love it ;-)
Going in to Face book, cover me.
Yeah, but you rawk faster!
;)
montag @ 122
well, they are not the same at all. but, this eve I had to find something to lift my spirits. I saw LHP had a post up, so I wanted to do the same for her. both she and Marcy are former ruggers, as you probably have noticed. Not trying to be frivolous by posting that. Just feeling the weight of cheesdickery, as you so well say.
wangdangdoodle @ 125
Not necessarily! Fire Fox logs me in automatically into FDL with my ‘f’!!!
wangdangdoodle @ 140
Must be all those years of telling cops and firefighters where to go… ;-)
bmaz @ 126
I agree. This is about accountability, and that is a concept that we need to apply not just to Bush or the Republicans but also the Democrats.
LS @ 112
in case no one’s offered help, here’s mine, but you’re getting what you pay for here:
1) there is a box labeled “Meta” above on the right side about the level of comment 12 or 13.
2) go to your facebook profile page;
3) copy your profile page’s URL;
4) your Meta box …
(suzanne, does it say “Register” for LS, instead of Log In?)
uh, try either, maybe “Register”;
5) when they ask for your facebook address just use your profile URL.
6) then they check out your email by sending you a password.
7) with password then, Login at the Meta box.
8) i know i messed this up somewhere.
9) good luck.
10) ask questions
11) take care.
solai @ 136
(coming up for air – pant pant) I thought the suggestion was for the original 13 stars and stripes flag used by our revolutionary forefathers?
bmaz @ 126
The Democrats have had 6 years of perfecting this strategy and it has been mind boggling to most observers outside your country as well.
Suz- xx comment- Betsy Ross?
Suzanne @ 146
I like the first flag of the republic idea.
Suzanne @ 146
Yes. That or the “Don’t Tread on Me” flag (my personal fav).
solai @ 136
It wouldn’t fit on a pin, but I’ve been wanting a bumper sticker that says “It’s The Constitution, Stupid!” for a while now. Same font as the original on a parchment looking background.
Hickory, cheesedickery, doc
The rats will run out the clock.
LoudounLib @ 143
Emergency dispatcher?
Hugh @ 152
Hands clapping !!!!!!!
Suzanne @ 146
oops…big mistake. Must be getting tired.
Petrocelli @ 147
In the manner of Simon and Garfunkel, we look Northward.
How you, dude? We’re fucked to the gills down here for a few election cycles…
wangdangdoodle @ 153
Yes’m
solai @ 136
No, not the “rebel” flag, the “revolution” flag. 13 colonies.
montag @ 111
” … cheese dicks … “
okay, montaq wins the graphic image award:
“CheeseDickocrats”
we may assume we speak of soft cheese then?
CTuttle @ 142
Pitty me, I have windowsvista.
well, the only “bumper sticker” I have on my car is one of those American flaggie things, like they sell in all of the gas stores. I stuck it on, upside down, about 3 years ago. The number of honks and fingers I have gotten for that (and not my driving, which is quite good) has really tapered off, of late. I think that’s a good sign.
I have always been partial to the ” Do Not Tread On Me” flag, Straight to the point.
egregious @ 56
Ain’t it amazing how the coordinates of sanity have shifted.
Valley Girl @ 141
Unfortunately, I had to run an errand as the debate was starting, and got back a little while ago only to find that they’d caved again. So, most everyone else has had a chance to vent and go on from there, and I’m just getting started….
Ah, well. Everyone knows that this is an ugly, ugly piece of legislation, and that the cravenness before Bush of selected, ahem, Democrats is apparent. I yield the balance of my time. :)
GordonM @ 158
I know, I know…..early onset of alzheimers when I typed it.
But don’t discount the rest of the idea. A universal symbol that identifies someone as being part of the netroots.
yellowdog jim @ 87
“Death squat John” as he was known in those days.
LoudounLib @ 143
I’ve done the same mission for Army Brigades at times, usually, Co.s’ or Bn.s’!!! I prided myself for my accuracy!!! I could give a lengthy brief on any, of their statuses, at any given point!!! *g*
We have a flag pin as part of our uniform assembly at work. Lately I’ve been pinning that on upside-down on my uniform shirt collar. Either nobody has noticed, or if they’ve noticed they’re in agreement.
I like the original Revolutionary flag used by our forefathers (and foremothers)in their struggles with their own evil mad king george III
only difference is our evil mad king george is 43 – just acts like a 3
argosfalcon @ 149
i like that idea also.
how about the
“Don’t Tread On Me!”
with the snake sliced into the colonies?
we could re-name the slices after the big leftist blogs: FDL; DKos; MyDD; TNH; et cetera
maybe?
LoudounLib @ 157
Wow! My deepest respects, I’d have a panic attack.
Flags of the American Revolution, as opposed to the frikking Homeland Revolution that is:
http://www.foundingfathers.inf…..ution.html
There are times when I wish that there was a Henry Fonda like character (as in “Mister Roberts”) who would storm into Washington A shout “Whats all this crap about your election is worth more than this countries Constitution and Bill of Rights”. But then I remember how that move ends, who would next step up, who would have that kind of courage?
solai @ 165
Of course, then Homeland Security would know who (whom?) to arrest.
Petrocelli @ 147
Dood! We’re diluting our beers with our tears! It ain’t pretty! Ya got any room for the next 6 mos. or so??? *g*
wangdangdoodle @ 160
No, if you set up your FDL profile properly, when signed in you get the ‘f’. Q: do you see “Logged in as …” under “Leave a Reply”? If you don’t, you’re not logged into FDL.
wangdangdoodle @ 171
Nah, I bet you wouldn’t. Although I say that with 23 years under my belt!
Valley Girl @ 161
Right now I’m sporting “Bush is a punk-ass chump”.
Bustednuckles @ 162
i agree, but i think you came first.
Well, I think I’ll head to bed. Starting to feel like a BBQed pork butt: slow roasted and fully smoked. Take care of yourselves and enjoy the snark. Oh, and let’s take back our country.
argosfalcon @ 173
Sheldon Whitehouse
Valley Girl @ 37
Indeed.
DrDick @ 180
nite doctor
newtonusr @ 156
Hey buddy, I spent a great evening with lots of friends talking about everything except politics, then I logged into FDL and saw that the Dems had once again capitulated, settling for much less than they and you deserve.
While studying yoga/meditation over the last 20 years, I grew to appreciate democracy and what is possible to achieve in free societies. Everything worth achieving is achieved in a free society.
I hope this night reinforces in each one of you, a resolve to call again and again, all your representatives and organize rallies to restore your country’s greatness. Your children and grandchildren deserve no less.
wigwam @ 166
he is a war criminal who belongs in a dungeon for life.
him AND elliot abrams!
Here’s the Betsy Ross flag.
montag @ 135
As an erstwhile English major, I am an ardent supporter of fine new words being added to the lexicon (though I am not quite sure what a lexicon is).
Now, so that I have a proper understanding: does “cheesedick” refer to that species of dick which is so lacking in, um, hardware that it transforms easily into a melted state?
argosfalcon @ 149
Umm, the first flag of the republic was, according to Thom Hartmann, a knockoff of the flag flown by ships of the British East India Company. The British East India Company’s flag also had a solid blue field in the upper left-hand corner, and the order of stripes was inverted from what is now the U.S. flag. The idea behind this was probably to gain a tactital advantage on the high seas.
I’d much prefer some variant on the Gadsden “Don’t Tread on Me” revolutionary flag (since its roots go back to Benjamin Franklin’s first political cartoon).
Hi everyone! What a wonderful day here in Chicago. Sorry I haven’t read the thread. There’s always the info overload.
Love you guys!
g’nite dr (pause) dick
i like the betsy ross flag – isn’t that the flag the original revolutionaries fought under?
Hey, Petro, Hawaii’s PBS is airing a special with B and O of BTO, awesome video! My wife heard some and ventured in to watch!!! *g*
SunnyNobility @ 182
except, as you will see as you read on, I caved in (without thinking about it) to glories of Welsh rugby past. Rugby- my only defense is that I was channeling LHP and Marcie for the fighting spirit. ;)
oddmommy @ 187
Imagination is sufficient. :)
This site has links to flags, t-shirts and pins with the Don’t tread on me design.
Suzanne @ 190
I’ve heard respectable sources say it was six years after the fact!!!
GordonM @ 176
I have teh blue f and I have teh logged in as. Can you see me now?
Sorry Gordon, I’m toasty and might have been misconstrued.
Loo Hoo. @ 189
Loo Hoo!
I loved yakking with you!
burnspbesq @ 33
Amen! Vigilance, and persistence, are the keys.
Bob in HI
(was folding laundry, and probably too late)
g’night DrD
turns out i was thinking of the
Franklin woodcut
“Join,Or DIE!“
Join, Or DIE! is about half way down the page.
wangdang, your f is showing!
Suzanne @ 201
707!
CTuttle @ 191
Has she heard of “The Guess Who” ?
Suzanne @ 201
now we just need LS to let her F flag fly ;-)
I, too, am off to bed. ‘Nite all.
Petrocelli @ 203
But of course! Hey, ya poke’d me, so I returned the favor!!! *g*
hey Petro!
you have FB mail (sent earlier this evening)
(waving to all the sleepy pups leaving)
newtonusr @ 197
Me too! I’ll get pics up for the morning. Great stuff. Teamsters had a BBQ for us tonight. Really good burgers, etc. Blend of netroots and labor ahead, which is really healthy. Yearly Kos will hense forth be called Netroots Nation, a blend of all the roots, I’m sure including FDL.
Revolution flags:
The Gadsden flag (don’t tread on me) and other rattlesnake flags were widely used during the American Revolution. There was no standard American flag at the time. People were free to choose their own banners.
might be a good idea.
common threads with tons of variations…
keep ‘em guessin ; )
Off topic post: PoliticsTV is starting to put up portions of today’s debate on youtube:
Intro:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ_uALPkdog
Part One:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThCknSNK96Q
Aah, Nite Sleepers!!!
solai @ 174
Even chimpenfuhrer knows he can’t arrest that many.
Despite this weekend’s horrid setbacks, I still think he’s just trying to run his time out without being impeached. And since our Congresscritters have demonstrated themselves to be utterly cowardly (or worse), it looks like he may succeed. But he can’t pull off a coup when his only active supporters are mostly barely pubescent Regent U graduates and all his military might is busily arming it’s enemies against itself in very unfriendly countries…
The nexus of stupidity and malfeasance is historically astounding.
newtonusr @ 202
How em-bare-ass-kink!!
Loo Hoo. @ 209
I’m already back in the Bay Area for 24 hrs… miss it there.
LoudounLib @ 207
Hi LL … logging in now …
LoudounLib @ 204
AAAAhhh-YEEEEE!!!!!!
solai @ 136
Well, the obvious symbol for FDL is the blue flame under the word, “Firedoglake” on the left side of the banner at the top of each page. But a symbol for the entire progressive blogosphere would be more of a challenge.
Bob in HI
Petrocelli @ 184
The challenge is to drop the paralyzing shock and anger and re-center to a core strength in times like this. We are, and we will. Although we have some influential “cavers” within, we also have some brilliantly talented, tenacious investigators, and many, many dedicated people fighting for justice. The “in crowd” may rollover, but the other 300,000,000 people of this country will stay steadfast to maintain America. They cannot take America away from America. They fantasize that they can, but that is just a pipe dream. They are temporary, they are passing. I’m sure the very same sentiments I am stating now, belong to the original Americans, the native Americans. Karma is strange. We are all together now, and we have to stick together, for the sake of peace. For the sake of Mother Earth.
Rob Zuber @ 211
Sadly, if it’s the FISA debate, there wasn’t any!!! 8-(
CTuttle @ 206
Shhh …newtonusr’s listening … *g*
its been a long evening – i need to chill after being kicked in the constitution…… and i am PO’ed to no end – at least my rep voted nay but who can account for the dem pussies – grrrrrrrrrrrr night firepups
Oh, hey, hi Loo Hoo, everything’s fine…we’re just planning the next Revolution…otherwise nothing new…:}
Franklin sketched, carved, and published the first known political cartoon in an American newspaper. It was the image of a snake cut into eight sections. The sections represented the individual colonies and the curves of the snake suggested the coastline. New England was combined into one section as the head of the snake. South Carolina was at the tail. Beneath the snake were the ominous words “Join, or Die.”
This had nothing to do with independence from Britain. It was a plea for unity in defending the colonies during the French and Indian War. It played off a common superstition of the time: a snake that had been cut into pieces could come back to life if you joined the sections together before sunset.
g’night juslin
Petrocelli @ 221
Ooh, it’s a new Mother Nature takin’ over!!! *g*
wangdangdoodle @ 217
My “f” flag’s been flying a long, long, time..but I still rawk!!!!
Petrocelli @ 221
Yeah, you guys just keep telling yourselves that lie… :-)
Gordon, please don’t be too down. My theory is that the dems are working on getting them to the Hague. Impeachment is far too gentle. Hold up, let the investigations continue. It has to lead to prison time.
Loo Hoo. @ 209
They should rename it Democratic Nation to remind all the elected officials what kind of country the citizens wish to live in !
LS @ 227
Yes, you do! (now please click on my F and add me as a FB friend ;-) )
LS @ 227
Lettin’ my freak flaaaag fly….
Ok, but tonight I’m going for drunken denial. It’s working for me.
Gotta love Late Nite.
bmaz @ 126
Well, actually, I’d love it if my Democratic congresscritter would start “lamenting the continuous and ongoing harm being done to our democracy.” That would be a good place to start! He’s supposed to be progressive, but he’s not doing much lamenting about our democracy. I wish he’d start.
Bob in HI
Bustednuckles @ 234
Late Nite is where it’s at.
Bustednuckles @ 234
The only thing that keeps me sane!
juslin @ 222
sweet dreams
What financial crisis?
US credit squeeze brings financial markets to a halt
Squeeze, crunch or… freeze? They mean different things. We’ve left the easy times of squeeze and we’re now engulfed in crunch.
Freeze is quickly tunneling in from the future.
It is happening faster than I thought. Much faster.
Thelma and Louise are just getting started.
didn’t American Home Mortgage just lay off thousands of workers, and nobody will back them anymore?
yellowdog jim @ 159
Limburger?
Bob in HI
LoudounLib @ 231
I just did that. I tried to poke you too, but I’m not sure anything did anything!!! I will conquer this danged thing somehow…;>
fingers and toes crossed that i’ve set the lhp part two post correctly to post – who is gonna get the new zed???
NETROOTS NATION everyone! So inspirational. Love me some Markos, but so much to do, you know?
PETROCELLI! you good man, man!
TBes is taking over for a while on our one stream goodie.
Got to meet TRex today!!!!!!! Really a good guy. Everyone, save your money for Netroots Nation next year. Love you!
Bob Schacht @ 241
maybe American Whiz.
newtonusr @ 228
Says so right in the Good Book … Do unto others as you would have them do unto you …
LS @ 242
Yay! just got the friend request :-)
ibid…
Suzanne @ 243
unless we erased my zed, it’s been got;
i thought.
I don’t know what this poking thing is but I sure enjoy doing it.
Bob Schacht @ 241
Nah, that has some pungency and bite. Better make it something bland, corporate and artificial:
Cheez Whiz.
montag @ 232
I clearly remember my friend and I back then, looking at each other and having befriended “real hippies”, saying, wow….we’re freaks man….lol
Loo Hoo. @ 229
Oh, there are still some good Dems. And I never had much of any faith in Reid. But I am very, very disappointed with Pelosi. Eviscerating the 4th amendment was a very steep price to pay for an energy bill that will be vetoed anyway.
But I vented, and drunk my fill, so it’s off to see what my subconcious dredges up tonight…
‘Night, folks.
LoudounLib @ 247
How cool!!
wangdangdoodle @ 250
poke me.
Loo Hoo. @ 244
Love you too, Loo Hoo !!!
Bipartisanship is so pre-911. I don’t want the GOP’s cooperation, I want to drive them into extinction. Radical notion? Well I consider myself to be more of a moderate, but if standing on the GOP’s collective windpipe until their last gurgling breath preserves the US constitution, so be it.
Hugh @ 152
Completely stunned. Stunned…will continue reading to try to get more of a handle on this…thank you all.
LS @ 181
Perhaps. I’m feeling a Howard Dean type attraction… and Leahy evidences one too..
The old thread, that is the new thread, is now in session.
Y’all come upstairs for some fun.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…../#comments
yellowdog jim @ 255
I just tried. You are my neighbor..sort of…your picture is so….Austin! Love it.
Petrocelli @ 256
Love U2 LooHoo!!!
montag @ 251
velveeta
Twain @ 116
You right (about ‘the Peninsula’, Seamus. I was using Peninsula as in the tip of the peninsula, which contradicts local usage.
Oh, I guess we are slow students. Maybe I missed that lecture. :) That was my take on Nancy’s base, too.
Also, I am wondering who do the Pelosi dumpers think will become speaker? And what plum assignments would Sheehan get?
Having worked for some super-long shots for local and other office , I can let you know the moral victory of doing so can be so not worth it sometimes. I’ll let Californians be the judge of this one. I have a neighbor raising funds and blogging for Sheehan from here, which is far from there. It seems sort of sad. I don’t think Cindy is going to pull Willy Brown, and if that don’t happen, and you may rest assured it won’t, I don’t think she stands a chance.
Meteor Blades over on DailyKos identifies the 41 bluedog Democrats who voted with the Repugs to pass the Administration’s FISA bill today. I note with relief that both of our Hawaii Representatives apparently voted against it (because they’re not on the list). But one of our senators (bluedog Inouye) voted for it. Cruise on over to DKos and see if your rep is one of the weak-kneed bluedogs.
Bob in HI
Bob Schacht @ 265
It looks like I won’t have to send another scathing email to my reps, yet.
LS @ 261
thanks.
i’ll change back to my other picture here in a minute so you may see my mug.
this is the only warning you will get.
Valley Girl @ 192
makes sense to me
LoudounLib @ 240
American Home Mortgage to file for bankruptcy
And in the linked article, check out what the founder had just done.
Amendment: Also, note that AHM was not a subprime lender. It’s time to treat claims that this is a subprime problem with the disdain that greets claims that the surge in Iraq is working.
Twain @ 116
For the same amount of political contributions and effort by the progressives to oust Pelosi, we’d likely be able to throw out Lungren, Dreir, and Bilbray.
And what would we get once Pelosi is out? Steny Hoyer.
Another great move by the Green-wing of the party…who abandoned it in the 90’s and early part of this millenia.
LoudounLib @ 168
Good idea! And if they complain just say “Oh, I guess the country just got turned around.”
eCAHNomics @ 65
So, is this where we make our list of congressional seats to contest with true-blue candidates?
noen @ 88
Do we have anybody in Congress who would put forward legislation to put an end to those capabilities? Is it even technically possible to end those capabilities?