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		<title>By: PhysioProf</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/04/come-saturday-morning-horses-for-courses/#comment-872618</link>
		<dc:creator>PhysioProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey, guess what?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Republicans: “It’s Clinton’s fault!!!!!!!!!!”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, guess what?</p>
<p>Republicans: “It’s Clinton’s fault!!!!!!!!!!”</p>
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		<title>By: PhysioProf</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/04/come-saturday-morning-horses-for-courses/#comment-872437</link>
		<dc:creator>PhysioProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Debate is occurring right now. Watching live here:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&amp;Code=CS&quot;&gt;http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_.....mp;Code=CS&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Summary so far:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Republicans: “9/11! 9/11! Terrists gonna gitcha! Your kids gonna go up in a mushroom cloud! Terrists gonna gitcha! Gonna GITCHA!!”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Democrats: “Let’s not eviscerate constitutional protections of American citizens in response to fear mongering, and let’s not give unprecedented and unnecessary powers to governmental actors who have proven that they cannot be trusted.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debate is occurring right now. Watching live here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&amp;Code=CS">http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_&#8230;..mp;Code=CS</a></p>
<p>Summary so far:</p>
<p>Republicans: “9/11! 9/11! Terrists gonna gitcha! Your kids gonna go up in a mushroom cloud! Terrists gonna gitcha! Gonna GITCHA!!”</p>
<p>Democrats: “Let’s not eviscerate constitutional protections of American citizens in response to fear mongering, and let’s not give unprecedented and unnecessary powers to governmental actors who have proven that they cannot be trusted.”</p>
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		<title>By: Persimmon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/04/come-saturday-morning-horses-for-courses/#comment-872040</link>
		<dc:creator>Persimmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Fax! It hasn’t passed yet, though it could still come to a vote today, so get your fax machines going!  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“WASHINGTON (CNN) — An angry group of Republican House members accused House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Saturday of delaying a vote on President Bush’s legislative priority — a measure amending the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/04/congress.fisa/&quot;&gt;CNN&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pelosi’s FAX # 202 225-8259, 202-225-4188&lt;br /&gt;
Who has faxes for the rest of the House? &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.house.gov/house/MemStateSearch.shtml&quot;&gt;http://www.house.gov/house/MemStateSearch.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-871201&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Phoenix Woman @ 9&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-871188&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;nomolos @ 5&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;OT  The Fisa fiasco last night was a clear indication that the Democrats either do not have the majority or are not ruthless enough to hold the majority in crucial instances.  The idea of bowing to the evil ba**ard in the WH is beyond my understanding.  A total caving in to this incredibly dishonest, traitorous group is so out of range of my comprehension I have no idea what to do.  Phone calls, emails and land based letters obviously no effect.  A revolution is needed to counteract the coup.  I am absolutely furious with the lot of them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did you call them?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1 (800) 828 - 0498&lt;br /&gt;
1 (800) 459 - 1887&lt;br /&gt;
1 (800) 614 - 2803&lt;br /&gt;
1 (866) 340 - 9281&lt;br /&gt;
1 (866) 338 - 1015&lt;br /&gt;
1 (877) 851 - 6437&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please take some time today to call your elected representative and tell them that you don’t trust the Bush Administration, and neither should they. And while you are at it, let the leadership know that as well:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Speaker Nancy Pelosi, (202) 225-4965&lt;br /&gt;
Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, (202) 225-4131&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fax! It hasn’t passed yet, though it could still come to a vote today, so get your fax machines going!  </p>
<blockquote><p>“WASHINGTON (CNN) — An angry group of Republican House members accused House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Saturday of delaying a vote on President Bush’s legislative priority — a measure amending the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.”</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/04/congress.fisa/">CNN</a></p>
<p>Pelosi’s FAX # 202 225-8259, 202-225-4188<br />
Who has faxes for the rest of the House? <a href="http://www.house.gov/house/MemStateSearch.shtml">http://www.house.gov/house/MemStateSearch.shtml</a></p>
<p><a href="#comment-871201"><em>Phoenix Woman @ 9</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-871188"><em>nomolos @ 5</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>OT  The Fisa fiasco last night was a clear indication that the Democrats either do not have the majority or are not ruthless enough to hold the majority in crucial instances.  The idea of bowing to the evil ba**ard in the WH is beyond my understanding.  A total caving in to this incredibly dishonest, traitorous group is so out of range of my comprehension I have no idea what to do.  Phone calls, emails and land based letters obviously no effect.  A revolution is needed to counteract the coup.  I am absolutely furious with the lot of them.</p>
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<p>Did you call them?</p>
<p>1 (800) 828 &#8211; 0498<br />
1 (800) 459 &#8211; 1887<br />
1 (800) 614 &#8211; 2803<br />
1 (866) 340 &#8211; 9281<br />
1 (866) 338 &#8211; 1015<br />
1 (877) 851 &#8211; 6437</p>
<p>Please take some time today to call your elected representative and tell them that you don’t trust the Bush Administration, and neither should they. And while you are at it, let the leadership know that as well:</p>
<p>Speaker Nancy Pelosi, (202) 225-4965<br />
Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, (202) 225-4131</p>
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		<title>By: pow wow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/04/come-saturday-morning-horses-for-courses/#comment-871799</link>
		<dc:creator>pow wow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 21:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don’t I know it, sunny @ 285.  The final House vote will tell whether this was all pre-arranged yesterday, as to the timing of the House and Senate sessions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t I know it, sunny @ 285.  The final House vote will tell whether this was all pre-arranged yesterday, as to the timing of the House and Senate sessions.</p>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/04/come-saturday-morning-horses-for-courses/#comment-871778</link>
		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 20:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;WHY did so many Democratic senators vote for this horrid FISA bill? ~~~&lt;em&gt;Edited in moderation for content.&lt;/em&gt;~~~ The coward from Crawford is under 30% and the Democrats still back down?!?!?!?!?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHY did so many Democratic senators vote for this horrid FISA bill? ~~~<em>Edited in moderation for content.</em>~~~ The coward from Crawford is under 30% and the Democrats still back down?!?!?!?!?</p>
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		<title>By: P J Evans</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/04/come-saturday-morning-horses-for-courses/#comment-871758</link>
		<dc:creator>P J Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 20:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I called and e-mailed Waxman this morning, before 8am LA time. Also e-mailed Pelosi, and said the should hold firm on requiring probable cause, or repeal the Constitution and pass a law making George ‘his pissiness President-for-life George I’. I managed to be polite on the phone, less polite in the e-mails (which I suspect are deleted, possibly &lt;em&gt;after&lt;/em&gt; being read).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I called and e-mailed Waxman this morning, before 8am LA time. Also e-mailed Pelosi, and said the should hold firm on requiring probable cause, or repeal the Constitution and pass a law making George ‘his pissiness President-for-life George I’. I managed to be polite on the phone, less polite in the e-mails (which I suspect are deleted, possibly <em>after</em> being read).</p>
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		<title>By: sunny</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/04/come-saturday-morning-horses-for-courses/#comment-871755</link>
		<dc:creator>sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 20:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;pow wow, if the Senate adjourned, they must be expecting the house to pass McConnell/Bond, and therefore there is no need for the Senate to be in session to reconcile another version passed by the house.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;just sayin’.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pow wow, if the Senate adjourned, they must be expecting the house to pass McConnell/Bond, and therefore there is no need for the Senate to be in session to reconcile another version passed by the house.</p>
<p>just sayin’.</p>
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		<title>By: pow wow</title>
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		<dc:creator>pow wow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 20:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FYI, late last night the Senate adjourned until September 4th.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[Harry Reid took the time to praise Sheldon Whitehouse - who was about to gavel the session to a close in the President’s Chair - saying he was “the talk of the Judiciary Committee” for working like a dog on the (presumably) Rockefeller/Levin FISA bill and overall FISA issue “past midnight” and with great dedication.  Too bad Whitehouse’s caucus prefers the  venal character of Dick Cheney to the high ethical standards and compassionate competence of their colleague Senator Whitehouse.  The vote on McConnell/Bond was obviously ARRANGED to reach 60 and therefore passage - it was no accident of fate from the Democrats overseen by Reid and Durbin.]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;House &lt;b&gt;FAX&lt;/b&gt; Numbers:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Nancy Pelosi = 202-225-8259&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Steny Hoyer = 202-225-4300&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rahm Emanuel = 202-225-5603&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;James Clyburn = 202-225-2313&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jane Harman (Intelligence Committee) = 202-226-7290&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Alcee Hastings (Intelligence Committee) = 202-225-1171&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, FYI, Nancy Pelosi flat out stated twice yesterday (once in a news conference, once on the House floor) that letting oversight of this unConstitutional spying (that an amended FISAct would “allow”) to remain in the Executive Branch rather than the Judicial Branch is &lt;b&gt;“unacceptable”&lt;/b&gt; (I believe she used that word - Cheney’s favorite) on Constitutional principle.  If her word is her bond, no FISA bill that leaves oversight to the DNI and/or the AG ought to make it to the floor of the House, Dick Cheney’s monarchy be damned.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is Nancy Pelosi’s chance to put the Democratic Party and the House of Representatives on the map as defenders of our Constitution and of the rights and personal liberty of we, the people that it exists to protect.  Or to help hasten the end of our Republic. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;P.S. Bless Debra Bowen.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, late last night the Senate adjourned until September 4th.  </p>
<p>[Harry Reid took the time to praise Sheldon Whitehouse - who was about to gavel the session to a close in the President’s Chair - saying he was “the talk of the Judiciary Committee” for working like a dog on the (presumably) Rockefeller/Levin FISA bill and overall FISA issue “past midnight” and with great dedication.  Too bad Whitehouse’s caucus prefers the  venal character of Dick Cheney to the high ethical standards and compassionate competence of their colleague Senator Whitehouse.  The vote on McConnell/Bond was obviously ARRANGED to reach 60 and therefore passage - it was no accident of fate from the Democrats overseen by Reid and Durbin.]</p>
<p>House <b>FAX</b> Numbers:</p>
<p><b>Nancy Pelosi = 202-225-8259</b></p>
<p>Steny Hoyer = 202-225-4300</p>
<p>Rahm Emanuel = 202-225-5603</p>
<p>James Clyburn = 202-225-2313</p>
<p>Jane Harman (Intelligence Committee) = 202-226-7290</p>
<p>Alcee Hastings (Intelligence Committee) = 202-225-1171</p>
<p>Also, FYI, Nancy Pelosi flat out stated twice yesterday (once in a news conference, once on the House floor) that letting oversight of this unConstitutional spying (that an amended FISAct would “allow”) to remain in the Executive Branch rather than the Judicial Branch is <b>“unacceptable”</b> (I believe she used that word &#8211; Cheney’s favorite) on Constitutional principle.  If her word is her bond, no FISA bill that leaves oversight to the DNI and/or the AG ought to make it to the floor of the House, Dick Cheney’s monarchy be damned.</p>
<p>This is Nancy Pelosi’s chance to put the Democratic Party and the House of Representatives on the map as defenders of our Constitution and of the rights and personal liberty of we, the people that it exists to protect.  Or to help hasten the end of our Republic. </p>
<p>P.S. Bless Debra Bowen.</p>
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		<title>By: LoudounLib</title>
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		<dc:creator>LoudounLib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 20:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;fdl reader, thanks so much — did know about the Senate last night (grrrr, Webb!) but had missed everything/anything that might have gone on today.  Thanks again!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fdl reader, thanks so much — did know about the Senate last night (grrrr, Webb!) but had missed everything/anything that might have gone on today.  Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: fdl reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>fdl reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 20:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-871679&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LoudounLib @ 278&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Not sure if this thread is still active, and I don’t want to interrupt upstairs — but I’ve been out all day, and when I got home I turned on CSPAN and it seems that the House is still in session.  Any updates as to what’s been happening?  Thanks!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hi LL ~ House in session to deal with energy bill and something else (can’t recall) before back to FISA later today/tonight.  Senate passed Bush’s version of FISA last night.  House may vote on same version or amend it to make it different before voting.  If it passes identical to Senate’s version, then Bush gets his FISA.  If there is some move by House to vote on a version different/amended, then the two will go to conference committee to reconcile.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We are hoping that House votes no or changes the bill enough that it cannot be reconciled with Bush’s version.  I’m not too good at all this so I may not have this right!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Stay tuned.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh and generally everyone is up in arms about all this fuckery!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-871679"><em>LoudounLib @ 278</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Not sure if this thread is still active, and I don’t want to interrupt upstairs — but I’ve been out all day, and when I got home I turned on CSPAN and it seems that the House is still in session.  Any updates as to what’s been happening?  Thanks!</p>
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<p>Hi LL ~ House in session to deal with energy bill and something else (can’t recall) before back to FISA later today/tonight.  Senate passed Bush’s version of FISA last night.  House may vote on same version or amend it to make it different before voting.  If it passes identical to Senate’s version, then Bush gets his FISA.  If there is some move by House to vote on a version different/amended, then the two will go to conference committee to reconcile.</p>
<p>We are hoping that House votes no or changes the bill enough that it cannot be reconciled with Bush’s version.  I’m not too good at all this so I may not have this right!</p>
<p>Stay tuned.</p>
<p>Oh and generally everyone is up in arms about all this fuckery!</p>
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