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		<title>By: Dr Zen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/time-to-say-goodbye/#comment-870012</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-868732&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;selise @ 9&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;And if the Democratic leadership cannot see that, then they no longer deserve to be leaders.  Period.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i think it was clear they didn’t care last summer when much (not all!) of the dem leadership supported lieberman against lamont. with their support, we probably could have had lamont in congress and lieberman would have been a problem for no one now.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lieberman is closer to them politically than Lamont or anyone here. That’s the sad truth of it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-868732"><em>selise @ 9</em></a></p>
<blockquote><blockquote>And if the Democratic leadership cannot see that, then they no longer deserve to be leaders.  Period.</p></blockquote>
<p>i think it was clear they didn’t care last summer when much (not all!) of the dem leadership supported lieberman against lamont. with their support, we probably could have had lamont in congress and lieberman would have been a problem for no one now.</p>
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<p>Lieberman is closer to them politically than Lamont or anyone here. That’s the sad truth of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Shell</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/time-to-say-goodbye/#comment-869303</link>
		<dc:creator>Shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;DiFi shouldn’t have JUST made the shit list.  She has been playing this game for years.  With so many rabid right-wingers even worse, she gets little attention to her shenanigans.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Someone needs to run against her next time.  (When is her term up?)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DiFi shouldn’t have JUST made the shit list.  She has been playing this game for years.  With so many rabid right-wingers even worse, she gets little attention to her shenanigans.</p>
<p>Someone needs to run against her next time.  (When is her term up?)</p>
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		<title>By: VictorLaszlo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/time-to-say-goodbye/#comment-869285</link>
		<dc:creator>VictorLaszlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-869209&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;orcatjf @ 256&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;how does one go to YKOS? I live in Chicago, can one just walk into the convention center to meet the likes of Christy and Jane and Pach and Scarecrow and all, or did one already have to get a ticket or a pass?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;IIRC, registration closed a couple of weeks ago.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-869209"><em>orcatjf @ 256</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>how does one go to YKOS? I live in Chicago, can one just walk into the convention center to meet the likes of Christy and Jane and Pach and Scarecrow and all, or did one already have to get a ticket or a pass?</p>
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<p>IIRC, registration closed a couple of weeks ago.</p>
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		<title>By: larry birnbaum</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/time-to-say-goodbye/#comment-869280</link>
		<dc:creator>larry birnbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“And while I’m at it, Dianne Feinstein just made the shit list.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This wasn’t a great decision by Senator Feinstein.  But this kind of rhetoric is idiotic, exactly the kind of self-destructive circular firing squad that we don’t want to get ourselves into.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“And while I’m at it, Dianne Feinstein just made the shit list.”</p>
<p>This wasn’t a great decision by Senator Feinstein.  But this kind of rhetoric is idiotic, exactly the kind of self-destructive circular firing squad that we don’t want to get ourselves into.</p>
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		<title>By: hazmaq</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/time-to-say-goodbye/#comment-869231</link>
		<dc:creator>hazmaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Harry and Nancy better hold on to their asses:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/02/AR2007080202619.html?nav=hcmodule&quot;&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....v=hcmodule&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“…&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;“It clearly shows that Congress has been playing with half a deck,” said Jim Dempsey, policy director for the Center for Democracy and Technology. “The administration is asking lawmakers to vote on a very important piece of legislation based upon selective declassification of intelligence.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry and Nancy better hold on to their asses:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/02/AR2007080202619.html?nav=hcmodule">http://www.washingtonpost.com/&#8230;..v=hcmodule</a></p>
<p>“…
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<blockquote><p>“It clearly shows that Congress has been playing with half a deck,” said Jim Dempsey, policy director for the Center for Democracy and Technology. “The administration is asking lawmakers to vote on a very important piece of legislation based upon selective declassification of intelligence.”</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: orcatjf</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/time-to-say-goodbye/#comment-869209</link>
		<dc:creator>orcatjf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;how does one go to YKOS? I live in Chicago, can one just walk into the convention center to meet the likes of Christy and Jane and Pach and Scarecrow and all, or did one already have to get a ticket or a pass?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how does one go to YKOS? I live in Chicago, can one just walk into the convention center to meet the likes of Christy and Jane and Pach and Scarecrow and all, or did one already have to get a ticket or a pass?</p>
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		<title>By: VictorLaszlo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/time-to-say-goodbye/#comment-869151</link>
		<dc:creator>VictorLaszlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve never understood the whole “we need to keep Joe because of the narrow margin” thing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It assumes the Joe would actually vote against his convictions (such as they are) &lt;em&gt;just to spite the Dems&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which I suppose is a fair assumption.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess the real problem is the way the situation is typically framed. It’s usually framed as if all close votes would just magically go the other way if a Senator changes his party affiliation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A crucial element is missing from this version: This only happens if the Senator in question is a weasel.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A Senator with integrity would choose his party based on his values, and therefore (in a perfect world) his votes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Joe is threatening to do the opposite. Because he’s a weasel.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve never understood the whole “we need to keep Joe because of the narrow margin” thing.</p>
<p>It assumes the Joe would actually vote against his convictions (such as they are) <em>just to spite the Dems</em>.</p>
<p>Which I suppose is a fair assumption.</p>
<p>I guess the real problem is the way the situation is typically framed. It’s usually framed as if all close votes would just magically go the other way if a Senator changes his party affiliation.</p>
<p>A crucial element is missing from this version: This only happens if the Senator in question is a weasel.</p>
<p>A Senator with integrity would choose his party based on his values, and therefore (in a perfect world) his votes.</p>
<p>Joe is threatening to do the opposite. Because he’s a weasel.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/time-to-say-goodbye/#comment-869094</link>
		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Reid on C-Span; Pelosi standing by grinning widely.  (2:19 PM CST; 1419 hours)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reid on C-Span; Pelosi standing by grinning widely.  (2:19 PM CST; 1419 hours)</p>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/time-to-say-goodbye/#comment-869069</link>
		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-868974&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Phoenix Woman @ 215&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;All hands on deck! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/3/13851/64941&quot;&gt;Bush is telling the Democrats that he’s going to order them to stay in session unless they pass a FISA deform he likes&lt;/a&gt;.   &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;is this man really this much a moron?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;doesn’t he know we WANT congress to stay in session?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;as far as a fisa law he &lt;i&gt;“likes”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;congress nees to SLAP HIM DOWN right there and then with this;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“the president is going to get a fisa law that protects our national security and our constitution, he is NOT going to get a law that allows officials to steal information without a judge to make sure they aren’t stealing”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;then hit him with THIS;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“if we are attacked while the president refuses to guard our constitution and national security it will be because he has kept the inept in office, he has forsaken his oath and our constitution and he has refused to accept the oversight that is neccessary for this government to operate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this president thinks he is above the law, the thinks anything that he doesn’t want exposed to his boss, the people of America, falls in the catagory of “executive priviledge”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the president is on branch of three branches and he is not entitled to avoid the oversite that is neccessary for our survival”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or something like that&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-868974"><em>Phoenix Woman @ 215</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>All hands on deck! </p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/3/13851/64941">Bush is telling the Democrats that he’s going to order them to stay in session unless they pass a FISA deform he likes</a>.   </p>
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<p>is this man really this much a moron?</p>
<p>doesn’t he know we WANT congress to stay in session?</p>
<p>as far as a fisa law he <i>“likes”</i></p>
<p>congress nees to SLAP HIM DOWN right there and then with this;</p>
<p>“the president is going to get a fisa law that protects our national security and our constitution, he is NOT going to get a law that allows officials to steal information without a judge to make sure they aren’t stealing”</p>
<p>then hit him with THIS;</p>
<p>“if we are attacked while the president refuses to guard our constitution and national security it will be because he has kept the inept in office, he has forsaken his oath and our constitution and he has refused to accept the oversight that is neccessary for this government to operate.</p>
<p>this president thinks he is above the law, the thinks anything that he doesn’t want exposed to his boss, the people of America, falls in the catagory of “executive priviledge”</p>
<p>the president is on branch of three branches and he is not entitled to avoid the oversite that is neccessary for our survival”</p>
<p>or something like that</p>
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		<title>By: Milan River</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/time-to-say-goodbye/#comment-869064</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan River</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Correction-spelling aides with an e.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction-spelling aides with an e.</p>
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