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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/that-whirring-sound-you-hear/#comment-870698</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 05:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-869135&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;james @ 113&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Pelosi: The White House wouldn’t like it if we sent the Capitol police to search Karl Rove’s desk!!!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Was she fantasizing? I heard it and there was definitely a little anger in her voice.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-869135"><em>james @ 113</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Pelosi: The White House wouldn’t like it if we sent the Capitol police to search Karl Rove’s desk!!!!</p>
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<p>Was she fantasizing? I heard it and there was definitely a little anger in her voice.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/that-whirring-sound-you-hear/#comment-870688</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 05:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-869112&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Biodun @ 90&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-869098&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;eCAHNomics @ 77&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Was the bridge collapse in Ellison’s district?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yep. My district: MN-05. The bluest in the state.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;blue NYC&lt;br /&gt;
blue DC&lt;br /&gt;
blue NOLA&lt;br /&gt;
blue cities are taking the blows&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Watch out Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Austin, etc.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-869112"><em>Biodun @ 90</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-869098"><em>eCAHNomics @ 77</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Was the bridge collapse in Ellison’s district?</p>
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<p>Yep. My district: MN-05. The bluest in the state.</p>
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<p>blue NYC<br />
blue DC<br />
blue NOLA<br />
blue cities are taking the blows</p>
<p>Watch out Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Austin, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/that-whirring-sound-you-hear/#comment-870681</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 05:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-869106&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;marymccurnin @ 85&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-869082&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mc @ 62&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Minneapolis bridge collapse=this summer’s Katrina.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How many more American cities will America lose under the Presidency of George W. Bush?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, look, there I go, politicizing this tragedy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Heh, and hurricane season is just gearing up.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t want to sound too picky but the Minneapolis bridge collapse is no where near&lt;br /&gt;
the damage and continued neglect that New Orleans is experiencing. I know it is a matter of degree but the twin cities are not permanantly damaged. It is like comparing our loses in Iraq to the loses sustained by the Iraqi people. I am from NOLA so my judgment is cloudy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We don’t disagree. I don’t think there’s anybody on this blog who feels those two tragedies are equivalent.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But (and only), politically speaking, this is the year’s ‘bright shiny disaster object’ for the press to cover and to show how disastrous the Bush administration has been and continues to be.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-869106"><em>marymccurnin @ 85</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-869082"><em>mc @ 62</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The Minneapolis bridge collapse=this summer’s Katrina.</p>
<p>How many more American cities will America lose under the Presidency of George W. Bush?</p>
<p>Oh, look, there I go, politicizing this tragedy.</p>
<p>Heh, and hurricane season is just gearing up.</p>
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<p>I don’t want to sound too picky but the Minneapolis bridge collapse is no where near<br />
the damage and continued neglect that New Orleans is experiencing. I know it is a matter of degree but the twin cities are not permanantly damaged. It is like comparing our loses in Iraq to the loses sustained by the Iraqi people. I am from NOLA so my judgment is cloudy.</p>
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<p>We don’t disagree. I don’t think there’s anybody on this blog who feels those two tragedies are equivalent.</p>
<p>But (and only), politically speaking, this is the year’s ‘bright shiny disaster object’ for the press to cover and to show how disastrous the Bush administration has been and continues to be.</p>
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		<title>By: The Oracle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/that-whirring-sound-you-hear/#comment-870143</link>
		<dc:creator>The Oracle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 02:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I actually stopped a die-hard Faux Noise-spouting Republican in a discussion the other day by linking three events: the bridge collapse, Bush threatening to veto the SCHIPS legislation and the War on Terror.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You see, from a historical perspective, for any nation to successfully wage and win a war, that nation requires a healthy citizenry (to be foot soldiers, officers, support, etc.) and a healthy infrastructure (manufacturing, transportation, electrical grids, bridges etc.).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thus, anything (or anyone) that undermines the potential “peak” health of a nation’s citizens and a nation’s infrastructure actually aids and abets that nation’s enemies, by weakening a nation, instead of strenghtening it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which is exactly what the “no new taxes, cut taxes” Grover Norquist branch of the Republican Party has done. A withered branch dripping poison that has sapped our nation’s strength and actually endangered all of us (including them).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is what stopped my Republican friend in his tracks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In Bush’s “eternal” War on Terror, our nation needs all the healthy citizens humanly possible as well as a healthy infrastructure.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Plus, our nation needs a highly-educated citizenry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anything (or anyone) that undermines our being in “peak” fighting condition therefore must be undermining our ability to wage and win Bush’s “eternal” War on Terror.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The “Grover Norquist” Republicans have attacked our nation’s tax-base. They’ve attacked everything “public,” in an attempt to privatize everything, with them being the new “owners” of our democracy, something they have designated as their “ownership society.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thus, they’ve attacked public health initiatives, public schools, public roads, public bridges, public libraries, our public military, our public Constitution, our public Bill of Rights…everything public…in an attempt to convert everything meant for the public good into their “privatized” nest egg…a rotten Republican nest egg.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which has actually sabotaged our nation’s ability to wage and win Bush’s “eternal” War on Terror…or any other war, for that matter…like the one in Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Crazy, eh?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually stopped a die-hard Faux Noise-spouting Republican in a discussion the other day by linking three events: the bridge collapse, Bush threatening to veto the SCHIPS legislation and the War on Terror.</p>
<p>You see, from a historical perspective, for any nation to successfully wage and win a war, that nation requires a healthy citizenry (to be foot soldiers, officers, support, etc.) and a healthy infrastructure (manufacturing, transportation, electrical grids, bridges etc.).</p>
<p>Thus, anything (or anyone) that undermines the potential “peak” health of a nation’s citizens and a nation’s infrastructure actually aids and abets that nation’s enemies, by weakening a nation, instead of strenghtening it.</p>
<p>Which is exactly what the “no new taxes, cut taxes” Grover Norquist branch of the Republican Party has done. A withered branch dripping poison that has sapped our nation’s strength and actually endangered all of us (including them).</p>
<p>This is what stopped my Republican friend in his tracks.</p>
<p>In Bush’s “eternal” War on Terror, our nation needs all the healthy citizens humanly possible as well as a healthy infrastructure.</p>
<p>Plus, our nation needs a highly-educated citizenry.</p>
<p>Anything (or anyone) that undermines our being in “peak” fighting condition therefore must be undermining our ability to wage and win Bush’s “eternal” War on Terror.</p>
<p>The “Grover Norquist” Republicans have attacked our nation’s tax-base. They’ve attacked everything “public,” in an attempt to privatize everything, with them being the new “owners” of our democracy, something they have designated as their “ownership society.”</p>
<p>Thus, they’ve attacked public health initiatives, public schools, public roads, public bridges, public libraries, our public military, our public Constitution, our public Bill of Rights…everything public…in an attempt to convert everything meant for the public good into their “privatized” nest egg…a rotten Republican nest egg.</p>
<p>Which has actually sabotaged our nation’s ability to wage and win Bush’s “eternal” War on Terror…or any other war, for that matter…like the one in Iraq.</p>
<p>Crazy, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Zen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/that-whirring-sound-you-hear/#comment-870003</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-869244&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;fdl reader @ 198&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-869237&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TiredFed @ 195&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;well two can play at that game. guess what Nancy can do during recess. she can issue a contempt citation without a full House vote. so we may have a win-win here.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;OOOOOHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhh!  Maybe *that’s* why shrub really, really, really wants no recess?  If only Nancy would ….&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She won’t. She is Serious. She doesn’t want partisan conflict because she’s read in the Big Press that the voters don’t like it. Pelosi thinks she can do a year of fake conflict and help the next president clear up the mess.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-869244"><em>fdl reader @ 198</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-869237"><em>TiredFed @ 195</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>well two can play at that game. guess what Nancy can do during recess. she can issue a contempt citation without a full House vote. so we may have a win-win here.</p>
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<p>OOOOOHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhh!  Maybe *that’s* why shrub really, really, really wants no recess?  If only Nancy would ….</p>
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<p>She won’t. She is Serious. She doesn’t want partisan conflict because she’s read in the Big Press that the voters don’t like it. Pelosi thinks she can do a year of fake conflict and help the next president clear up the mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Becca</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/that-whirring-sound-you-hear/#comment-869482</link>
		<dc:creator>Becca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 22:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was trying to figure out why FABULOUS David Drier was stalling for time in such an absolutely imbecilic way. My husband and I thought he must be drunk or something.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then suddenly, drum roll please, Boehner appears in a haze of Hollywood smoke, the excitement is palpable and…and…Boehner appears drunk, too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Go figure.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was trying to figure out why FABULOUS David Drier was stalling for time in such an absolutely imbecilic way. My husband and I thought he must be drunk or something.</p>
<p>Then suddenly, drum roll please, Boehner appears in a haze of Hollywood smoke, the excitement is palpable and…and…Boehner appears drunk, too.</p>
<p>Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom the Patriot</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/that-whirring-sound-you-hear/#comment-869335</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom the Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 21:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;‘Tax Cut’ Republicans telling Dems not to point out the truth about the Minnesota I-35-W disaster (a mini-Katrina) is the same meme as telling Edwards he can’t talk about poverty and obscene trillion dollar spending on Iraq  ’cause he got an expensive haircut.  Alternatively, Repubs getting away with repeating endlessly in the media that anyone who talking about radically growing income inequality or our new gilded Age is ‘class war,’ which cannot be talked about in mainstream society!  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately for the Repubs, a few images of reality escaped from New Orleans and many normal people who block out politics were repulsed by a major American city turned into a third world hell-hole.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, that is because it &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a class war.  Multinational corporations, the chri$ian right wing and the ultra rich have been conducting a class war against the middle class and the poor for the last 40 years, led by Saint Ronnie Reagan.  Dems do not want to talk about it (they just want their share of the pie) and the media is a pawn under the thumb of News Corp, Viacom, GE, et al.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘Tax Cut’ Republicans telling Dems not to point out the truth about the Minnesota I-35-W disaster (a mini-Katrina) is the same meme as telling Edwards he can’t talk about poverty and obscene trillion dollar spending on Iraq  ’cause he got an expensive haircut.  Alternatively, Repubs getting away with repeating endlessly in the media that anyone who talking about radically growing income inequality or our new gilded Age is ‘class war,’ which cannot be talked about in mainstream society!  </p>
<p>Unfortunately for the Repubs, a few images of reality escaped from New Orleans and many normal people who block out politics were repulsed by a major American city turned into a third world hell-hole.</p>
<p>Well, that is because it <em>is</em> a class war.  Multinational corporations, the chri$ian right wing and the ultra rich have been conducting a class war against the middle class and the poor for the last 40 years, led by Saint Ronnie Reagan.  Dems do not want to talk about it (they just want their share of the pie) and the media is a pawn under the thumb of News Corp, Viacom, GE, et al.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/that-whirring-sound-you-hear/#comment-869270</link>
		<dc:creator>Hmmm.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;New thread upstairs.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New thread upstairs.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/that-whirring-sound-you-hear/#comment-869260</link>
		<dc:creator>Hmmm.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LS @ 196:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hmmmm 192, where did you hear about a threat to the capitol? I missed that.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://http//www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/02/AR2007080202496.html&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; and elsewhere.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LS @ 196:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hmmmm 192, where did you hear about a threat to the capitol? I missed that.</p>
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<p><a href="http://http//www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/02/AR2007080202496.html">Here</a> and elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: TiredFed</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/03/that-whirring-sound-you-hear/#comment-869255</link>
		<dc:creator>TiredFed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-869248&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LS @ 199&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-869241&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TiredFed @ 197&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;short of doomsday scenarios, that is.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe they want to cut and run, because they think there’s going to be an attack on Congress.  See Hmmmm 192.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, what is up with what Hmmm says about W being able to adjourn until 2008???&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;until after the next election, I guess. I have not been paying close attention to the new executive orders and such on declaring martial law. I think it relates to that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-869248"><em>LS @ 199</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-869241"><em>TiredFed @ 197</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>short of doomsday scenarios, that is.</p>
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<p>Maybe they want to cut and run, because they think there’s going to be an attack on Congress.  See Hmmmm 192.</p>
<p>Also, what is up with what Hmmm says about W being able to adjourn until 2008???</p>
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<p>until after the next election, I guess. I have not been paying close attention to the new executive orders and such on declaring martial law. I think it relates to that.</p>
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