You would think that after Alberto Gonzales and the Bush Adminstration’s non-stop dissembling about its warrantless spying programs, and the illegal data mining the NSA has now been forced to admit it conducted in defiance of explicit Congress statutes to defund such efforts, Congress would greet any proposal by the Administration to amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to broaden the President’s powers and discretion with disdain and deep suspicion. But as Phoenix Woman posted last night, not everyone has gotten the message that this Administration cannot . . . ever. . . be . . . trusted.
Earlier this week, Democrats indicated they were eager to sit down with NSA, White House and Justice attorneys to give them whatever new powers they needed. I’m astonished there are still any Democrats who can be stampeded by fear that voters will punish them for standing up to this lawless fearmongering President when he waves the terrorist flag. But the White House has been claiming that new legislation must be adopted immediately, before Congress goes on its August recess. Mimikatz at TNH has all the details of what’s at stake.
So what’s the rush? The supposed loophole that prevents NSA from spying on terrorist-to-terrorist communications whose communications pass through the US has been known for months, ever since, as a Republican leak to the Washington Post tells us, a FISA court judge reportedly found the Administration’s warrantless programs illegal.
Where does the legislation stand? According to a report in yesterday’s The Hill, Russ Feingold was threatening to block the bill in its current form:
Meanwhile, Senate Intelligence Chairman Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) said Thursday afternoon that he was “in the thick” of negotiations with the White House and Republicans over how to change current law so that intelligence operatives can surveil overseas targets whose communications pass through U.S. networks without first obtaining a warrant. While both Democrats and Republicans generally agree that those barriers in current law need to be lifted, they have been stymied by who should oversee such activities — with Democrats balking at the notion of giving embattled Attorney General Alberto Gonzales sole authority over the program.
The White House’s latest offer — to give both Gonzales and National Intelligence Director Michael McConnell oversight authority — has been met with skepticism by most Democrats involved in the talks. Democrats have proposed allowing a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court to oversee the attorney general’s activities, as well as a six-month sunset provision.
Still, both Rockefeller and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said they hoped to have a deal Thursday night.
At a Thursday press conference, Reid said he has been in contact with Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) about how to move any compromise quickly through both chambers.
Given these concerns, Senator Feingold let it be known that he might block any rush to legislation if it was not narrowly drawn and was only temporary:
Feingold said anything that passes quickly this week should sunset in September, and he said Rockefeller’s proposal is not adequate to protect the civil liberties of innocent Americans whose communications may be intercepted in the quest for terrorist messages.
“The protections related to that are not adequate — not that I’ve seen,” Feingold said. He added, “There are also other issues that relate to my desire to reaffirm the fact that the FISA statute is the exclusive means for wiretapping. That should be reaffirmed. I think that should be in there.”
By late Thursday afternoon, Feingold, joined by Senators Robert Byrd and Bernie Sanders sent Harry Reid this letter letting him know their concerns: None of the Administration’s proposals were acceptable, and the Democrats counterproposal, while better, was not good enough. Moreover, any change adopted now should be sunset in 90 days, which would give Congress another chance to consider more carefully the need for permanent changes.
“…given all that has come out in the last year and a half about this administration’s decision to violate FISA after 9/11, we are reluctant to amend FISA without assurances that the administration will actually follow the law. In this regard, any FISA legislation should include a reiteration of the exclusivity of FISA and the criminal surveillance laws as the sole authority for conducting electronic surveillance.”
Last night, it was not clear what the Democratic leadership would do. But they should have learned by now that the WH cannot be trusted on these matters, and they should heed the warnings of Feingold, Byrd and Sanders. Today’s New York Times editorial agrees.
If Congress has not yet acted, this is the time to contact the members and let them know your concerns about this legislation. Here’s an ACLU site you can use to urge Congress to delay this matter until it can be more carefully considered. More phone numbers are here:
1 (800) 828 – 0498
1 (800) 459 – 1887
1 (800) 614 – 2803
1 (866) 340 – 9281
1 (866) 338 – 1015
1 (877) 851 – 6437
You know what to do.
Related posts:
- House Judiciary Committee to Propose PATRIOT and FISA Reforms
- Holder Refuses to Stand by Statements Saying Violating FISA Breaks the Law
- House Judiciary, Sens. Schumer, Reid Call for Break Up of Insurance Trust
- FISA v AUMF: Bush Wiretap Program Based on Lies
- Can Skittles help fix the PATRIOT Act and FISA?





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why hello there!
I was talking to my NSA handlers. hehe
mornin’ scarecrow. how’s the new straw? ok, so who else is jealous of all those FDLer’s in Chi-town?
It boggles my mind the thought of trusting these guys with anything, let alone this.
And, amazingly, so does Fred Hiatt’s WaPo.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02170.html
TiredFed @ 3
Me!!! I am listening to Wes Clark on ustream.tv.
and they are all at the FDL breakfast now! waving from Balto! guess it’s gonna be kinda quiet here today. I’m gonna go read that new CRS report on contempt now. It is a doozy.
many thanks to scarecrow and PW! such an important issue – and if our pols care what we think at all, they will not rush into this.
off to make my calls on this again today.
Seeing that they are always “sending messages”, the message that Gonzo is not trustworthy should be front and center. Gonzo should not be involved in anything.
No, absolutely not. You are incompetent people that are clearly criminals. Congress, do you damn duty and arrest these criminals and incarcerate them until your term is finished
what in the hell are you waiting for? We, the people, are disgusted
if our pols care what we think at all
Oh, they do. As long as our thoughts are written on the back of fat campaign contribution checks, that is.
We certainly are lucky to have a couple of sane Senators! I wish I still lived in Sykesville, MD, over by Tired Fed. I would be over in the Gallery being one of the people being chided for making excessive noise (in reality, if I was still there I would be doing something constructive like working-the good old days! :~) Be careful what you wish for…
Little OT-Quite a brouhaha in the House today, appears we have our very own disputed vote count now. The Hammer has nothing on this Congress, no record of the vote on Thomas either!
Millineryman @ 4
On the other hand, consider that the dems ‘have THEM right where …’
Whatever could the dems be thinking?
Are they thinking? Short term? Long term
(puns not intended)?
Faulty calculus?
Onward, selise!
Mike McConnell (the NSA guy) appears to be willing to accept FISA court supervision.
via – Muckraker.
I hope this means what I think it means.
I’m surprised at feingold…he of all people should know this is not enough…then president does what he wants regardless his guarantees and congress does nothing against his brazen violation of committments and oaths
instead, feinfold needs to add to that statement;
“the added latitude we are allowing the president will only streamline the process, perhaps extend the period of time to get a warrant after the search has begun to something more appropriate
however there will be no restrucition removed, if an official needs to gather information they must demonstrate that they are not stealing information that has nothing to do with national security, those restrictions will be strengthend not weakend in the new fisa law”
ok, bottle that and send it to feingold because he of all people need not loose the thread here
oldtree @ 10
Incarcerate whom? On what charges? Based on what evidence?
Glad to see were all such firm believers in the rule of law.
nonlussed @ 12
You’ve piqued my interest. Have you more on ‘vote count’?
David @ 13
I’m at a lost to try to figure out what if any strategy the Dems might have about putting the wall back up that is known as the 4th Amendment.
perris @ 15
HEY, I HAD ANOTHER EPIPHAME!
how about;
“we have seen the current attorney general is not willing to put law above loyaltee and any fisa changes will only take affect when we have confimed a new ag that enjoys respect in the ocommunity of law enforcement and seperation of powers, which include oversight”
BING…send THAT to the president
It’s totally crazy! They cannot pass this and have any credibility at all! You can’t, on one side, accuse Gonzo of purgery – a criminal offence – while at the same time entrusting him with an office cutoff from oversight. It makes NO sense.
Thanks Scarecrow!
As Leahy famously muttered, Gonzales “isn’t fit to run a lunchroom” — much less a spying program or DoJ.
Off to make some phone calls…
burnspbesq @ 16
incarcerate those that have ignored congress’s subpeona and claim they are above the law
those would be a fine start
phred @ 21
which is why ANY changes in fisa needs to be contingent on a NEW ag, who is confirmed by the senate
perris @ 23
Now there’s some good thinking!
Burns, I think Oldtree wants to arrest Gonzales and the soft, well-scrubbed sucklings that have turned the DOJ into an armed wing of the RNC.
-GSD
erris you’re on a streak. Go! Go! Go!
Richmond @ 24
add to that;
“if there is a terrorist attack while this ag is in office it will be because this president refuses adhere to the rule of law, refuses to fire officers that are clearly inept and refuses
to provide the proper oversite that protects this nation”
Well, if I’m reading this right, Gonzo and McConnell WON’T have supervision powers… Supervision will remain with the FISA court.
But it’s early here and maybe I’m just dreaming…
perris! sorry the ‘P’ on this keyboard is a bit reluctant, somewhat like the d’s . . .
perris @ 22
In full agreement with that. But never forget that process matters. If we adopt the bad guys’ methods, we become them.
Oh, and while your on the phone to your rep ask them to support H Res 589. Go after the act blue folks too:
EPU’ing multiple times:
Here are the list of co-sponsors for H Res 589 (The impeach Gonzo resolution)
Apparently the links generated by Thomas time out or something. So here is the current list of co-sponsors:
Here is the list of Act Blue folks we support who are actually in the House (some one correct me if I have anyone wrong here.)
Now does it bother anyone else that none of the Act Blue folks are co-sponsors?
Should we be communicating that to them?
Oh, and what about your own rep?
Mine, (Markey) is not on board yet. Anyone else in his district. Help me out with him.)
Just asking…
OldCoastie @ 28
gonzo appproves activities outside of fisa, that is the very point
here’s my talking points.
burnspbesq @ 30
the process is in place and enjoys the power of contitutional law and precedence
inherant contempt gives them their authority
perris @ 27
brilliant!!
Is my despair showing? I used to call them Democrats and then I called them Dems, yesterday they fell to dems and now they’re down to d’s. I don’t know what i shall do next. Contingency plans appear ‘off the table (there, I said it!).
burnspbesq @ 16
I would be happy with a little inherent contempt. It would keep these folks from causing more trouble for the next 18 months or so.
Selise nails it!
That #2 will be the deal breaker, though. They can’t do it-without admitting multiple crimes.
Democrats should not let themselves be stampeded yet again, as they were on AUMF. One week is too little time to analyze and discuss such a complex topic and the White House knows that. If it has to wait until after Labor Day, that’s their doing.
There are names for what the White House is trying to do to Congress. The one that springs to mind immediately is “extortion.” It’s a technique that has been around for a few millennia, but it remains as crude and effective as ever: Give us what we want, or we’ll hurt you.
This Bush-Cheney organized-crime family has sent one representative after another up the Hill to remind our senators and representatives that it holds them in contempt and that it has no intention of fulfilling its democratic obligations to its citizens. Rather, it is demanding that Congress give it what it wants without knowing what it is.
Now this corrupt gang has ratcheted up the pressure by supplying “evidence” that Congress is in danger. This is how a thug practices subtlety: It’d be a shame if anything happened to Capitol Hill while you were gone.
It’s how extortion escalates: request, demand, warning, threat, example.
perris @ 15
How about no changes until everyone involved in the violations of 60 USC 1809 (the criminal FISA statute) is brought before a court and required to produce the warrant that allowed them to make or use the intercept, and everybody who doesn’t have one gets to go to jail for five years, every count consecutive?
perris @ 34
I’m quite certain the Bush maladministration has inherent contempt for Congress.
realworld @ 31
As has been pointed out to you repeatedly (at your request) Steve Cohen of TN IS one of the sponsors. Please update your list.
NMvoiceofreason @ 41
I know that was 50 USC – is the NSA changing my posts? (gleeful, insane, paranoid laughter)
Shorter Bush: “Nice Congress ya got heeah-be a shame if sumpin’ was to happen to it.”
GSD @ 25
I want that as badly as anyone. But commitment to the rule of law has to be unwavering and non-negotiable. You want Gonzo’s ass? Cool. Empanel a grand jury, present evidence, get an indictment, and try him. If you can get a conviction, then for all I care you can bury his ass under the jail for the maximum period provided by law. Until then, the beauty of our system is that he has the same legal rights as you and me. And when you start trying to abridge those rights, then you and I aren’t on the same side any more.
David W. Bartoo @ 17
Last night at 11 PM the Repubs had a motion to recommit the AG which was very close and it was actually winning. The speaker voted tying it. At some point eight GOP members switched their votes to the Dem side, the Speaker closed the vote they declared it for the Majority and it isn’t listed on Thomas. The Republicans all walked out. This morning the one minutes were very heated, it will be interesting as soon as they come back. I’m looking for a news report, as I must admit I wasn’t awake for it. On C-span NOW!
The fact that Bush brought in all the right wing talking heads and the Rethugs in Congress have said they will not leave the capital for the summer break until the Dems pass this suggests that this is top top priority (and therefore suspect). What are they hiding? Also the fact that both the NYT and Wash Post have editorials against it suggests that this is a pretty big deal. Will the Dems roll over again as they did on the Constitution?
some kind of riot going on in the House – check cspan…
booing now…
burnspbesq @ 46
well, I agree the man needs to stand trial for his crimes, high crimes I might add, including actioning torture
yes, he needs to be tried for these things and we agree
however we also need to take him out of office for his incompitence and his compicity
that certainly needs to take place before the wheels of justice bring him before the bar of legal judgement
the two are mutally exclusive yet both need to be done
It’s from last night -see 47
nonplussed @ 51
thanks, I see that now…
burns @ 46
You are right, the problem is that too many are claiming immunity with impunity, which gives the appearance that the law applies not at all. ‘Equality’ is something else, again.
And Justice suffers through it all.
Realworld at 31: Jim McGovern still not on board as of this morning. I’ve called everyday, its as if H.Res. 589 is not even on their radar.
As I said on the prior post, every one of the MA House delegation should be a co-sponsor. What gives?
As for amending FISA, why is this not the perfect time to force full and complete disclosure from Bushco? Enough of the BS claims of executive privilege.
Never OT at FDL:
Joe-Lie in Salon today:
Interesting read.
OldCoastie @ 52
all that shouting — it sort of sounds like the House of Commons
Biodun @ 55
Thanks Schumer, Emmanuel, Clinton etc. Good goin!
jim oconnor @ 54
hey jim, if you are willing – shoot me an email (or a msg on facebook). maybe we can get together (with some other firepups) to lobby jim mcgovern during the recess? i’m at speakeasy dot net
Joe-Lie in the Salon interview:
As I said: Interesting read.
New Rasmussen poll shows that 51% of americans are willing to give the surge more time according to Scottie’s website.
Scottie has fucked this up as usual and sort of made up his headline conclusion- but there is a propoganda effort afoot to make it appear that the surge is working- by LYING as usual.
Case in point- July casualty figures that the White House said were the lowest in EIGHT MONTHS for US troops. They said this before the month was over- it is now clear that the casualty count is exactly what it was in Feb and March- hardly eight months away. TOTAL casualties for the month were HIGHER than Feb and March- but we don’t count dead brits.
Congress will be gone for a month and the White House will be whip sawing the press with lies to win the vote in September- since this is for all the marbles- someone needs to be pointing out the truth regularly–the White House will lie and the steno press will pass it on..
Shit- I thought we’d gotten through that period of brain dead press- but apparently not.
nonlussed. Thanks, haven’t been able to get through to cspan. Which?
Biodun @ 59
What a jacka** !
Wish the press would ignore Joe- he ain’t worth it.
Ilona Meagher up for PTSD Combat and Moving A Nation to Care:
She’s rattling off some VA stats – worth listening in! She’s an excellent speaker!
So, both Joe and George are ‘liberated’ men?
We are doubly blessed. So lucky, us.
selise –
I didn’t see your list before I called, but the two conditions I demanded (as politely as I could manage) was that Bush come clean about what they have being doing to date and that Congress wait until AFTER recess (’cause I’m not gonna hold my breath that our Congress will stay in session any more than Iraq’s did).
We’ll see what happens next…
rwcole @ 63
He serves their purposes-pro-neocon hawking, pro military-industrial complex, anti-middle class fincial well being in favor of super rich and corporations.
Final installment of Joe-Lie in Salon interview:
My bold. That pathetic BushCo passive voice: Mistakes were made. Yes.
OldCoastie @ 14
Remember what Roberts and Alito said about respecting precedent? Even in the remote chance that he is being honest..policy comes out of the OVP.
dakine01 @ 43
phred @ 66
good ones. i just made my calls too… and to reid and pelosi’s office also.
Here’s the truth about the surge and casualties:
In the period just before the surge began, the coalition (cough) was losing 2.38 troops per day- since the surge began, we are losing 3.38 troops per day…Don’t let the bastards lie about the surge.
“narrowly drawn and temporary”
STOP! Right there. You know the inch/mile thing? Kid stuff wrt BushCo.
Note to Congress: Keep saying “no” until you’re unqualifiedly (?) ready to say “yes” to anything this administration suggests. Do. Not. Trust. Bush. Republicans. Ever.
realworld @ 70
Your list shows Cohen as one of the co-sponsors and has all along.
thanks to all for the heads up to watch c-span. lots of fireworks on the house floor.
re CSPAN – looks like Boner is gonna cry :’(
Selise at 58: I’m very interested, but when it comes to this Tubz thing I’m about at the Ted Stevens stage.
Cheney says that people will cheer for Bush when he’s on his death bed. He ALMOST got it right.
Pelosi – 202-225-4965
twolf1 @ 76
He ALWAYS looks like he’s gonna cry…
twolf1: Ha, I’m listening to Boehner too & making bets with myself as to how long before the tears start.
phred @ 66
Good day! A personal query, if I may? You indicated, last evening, a lengthy tenure in the fray. I’m vintage ‘47, am curious when you started journey around the sun. Suspect that
Kiddo is vintage also.
Scarecrow and I are sitting listening to Eric Massa just after having heard John Dean and David Brock. The panel is for recovering repugs. Talk about atonement!
I’m sure Scarecrow will have great stuff for you all about this soon.
And John Dean has a new book coming out in the fall.
Can’t tell you how awesome this is!!!!!
More later
Oh, and Eric Massa is a great speaker with a great sense of humor.
We’re gonna see a marketing campaign from the White House to continue the surge that will rival what they did to justify the invasion. Hope everyone’s ready to confront the liars- the press won’t.
Boehner is looking very flaccid right now.
David W. Bartoo @ 82
Honey, you’re just a pup! ^_^
Sid Blumenthal also has an interesting piece in Salon:
bonkers @ 85
He seems a very strange fellow. His should be mindful that crying might make his eyeliner run.
jim oconnor @ 77
haha! i don’t believe that, after all you’re commenting at fdl – can you picture ted doing that? ew. now i need some brain bleach.
anyway, if you do email… i don’t want to type my email addy in a way that can be found by bots scanning for emails. can you decode this: me – at – speakeasy – dot – net? you’ll have to replace the “me” with my name.
alternatively, you can click on my name and then go to the “contact page”. that will get to me by email too.
FirePups! I just called all 3 of my people, from CA, I always feel ok calling Feinstein and Boxer– had to leave message for Boxer lines all busy but got a reallive person for Diane. And then i screwed up courage to call Dunkin (Hunter) got through immediately and the gal said they were getting a lot of calls today, and I asked to vote no or yes and she said mostly NO! here in redneckcity– hooray! just down the road from where they are trying to build a huge BlackWater complex! I am patting myself on the back for getting k-jonees to call him, he is in the pres. pocket so usually dont even try!
Biodun @ 87
This is bedrock. Somewhere in that fouled nest is someone with a whistle. Or a deep throat. Inevitable. But will it happen soon enough to matter?
David W. Bartoo @ 82
Good Morning David — Well, apparently I was mistaken that OK kiddo was a young ‘un. I started my tour of duty in ‘62, quite literally the tail of the BaBoo generation as my Dad served in Europe in WWII. As a result, I missed out on all the good Dem accomplishments of my folks’ era (including the Civil Rights Act) and began voting in 1980. Lets face it, it’s been downhill since then ;)
realworld @ 31
rwcole @ 84
Absolutely. Sometimes it feels like we’ve done so much but so little has changed. When a rat is cornered, it fights back with all its got. We’ve only just begun!
There are many things we can see as fruits of our labour so far (Dean leading DNC, ‘06 Elections, Lamont, etc), so it’s important people remain encouraged. Not only that, we need to increase our numbers alot, and get more and more people off the Conglomerate Media teat.
This is gonna be a long, long road to travel.
Nanz @ 90
Bravo Nanz! Keep up the good work!
More Blumenthal:
Kit Bond live on CSPAN2 arguing for passage of FISA before the recess.
And for all you firepups in Chicago — fire up those cell phones in between those great sessions you’re in and give your Congresscritters a piece of your mind ;) Multi-tasking is what us high tech types are supposed to be good at, right? ;)
ironranger @ 81
What are they upset about?
And this is really interesting. More Blumenthal:
Thanks Selise. Check your email.
new thread – update from Christy…
The Dems are a lost cause. We need a 3rd party, even if we lose. Of course, there will be no more elections, so why bother. The King will not be leaving office any time soon.
richmond see nonplussed @47
phred, well I guess you missed McCarthy and the addition of ‘God’ to the Pledge, other than that the fifties were a great time to grow up in, children had far greater freedom and MONEY was not all that mattered. Thank you barbara, but sometimes I feel my generation has much to attone for; Bush and GREED as well as the destruction of the social contract.
Final Blumenthal from Salon:
The only question that remains this August is which chamber of Congress the King will choose to set afire. What? You say they wouldn’t dare? They have said they will, and yes they would dare. What are the American people gonna do? We certainly have no Constitution to protect us.
There is an upstairs, but I’m enjoying it here with all of you.
The last word? I wonder.
rwcole @ 78
That requires a spew alert.
phred @ 98
Chicagoans are democrats and are way ahead of the game. Republicans live in the elitist suburbs like Glencoe, Wilmette, Kenilworth, Hinsdale, Oakbrook, etc.. Anytime a repub shows up to campaign, it’s in the “burbs.”
David W. Bartoo @ 105
Indeed Joe McCarthy came from my home state, much to my folks’ chagrin. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t tend to view the past through a hazy mist of affection. There were tons of problems then (and have been from the get go), but when I think of major legislative accomplishments by Dems (principally The New Deal and Civil Rights), well it’s been awhile.
Nanz @ 90
Yay, Nanz! You’ve inspired me to call Michele Bachmann (shudder). Dunkin may be in Shrub’s pocket, but my oh-so-fabulous rep Michele is… well, somewhere else.
jim oconnor @ 101
got it! thanks!
We’re also going to see people “disappearing” into Blackwatter’s “facillities.” But it’s too late to fight that. All the legislation is in place to make it perfectly legal.
RockPaperScizzors @ 111
Sorry, I was unclear — I intended to remind Christy et al., that while they are having a delightful time at YKos, they should still squeeze in some phone calls.
As for the Chicago/suburbs political split, I have relatives there and am well aware of the divide. My Mom grew up in Chicago, but after she had left home, my grandparents joined the white flight to the western suburbs. So as you can see, the fault lines run through our family, too…
Dear Ms. Pelosi:
In case you have failed to notice, we now have all the legislation in place that was in place at the start of the Third Reich. We also have a
King who is going to carry them out. How could you preside so calmly over the end of the republic?
For shame, madam. For shame.
======================================
The Congress cares not at all. They are all rich.
Morning Scarecrow.
Thankyou for the heads-up on FISA. I went straight to the ACLU website, which has excellent talking points all lined up & ready to fire. Sent messages to my Senators & House mbr, Reid, & Pelosi. And a [thanks and please don’t give in] to Feingold ;->
Judge rules in favor of Jefferson against FBI raid:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0803.html
wigwam @ 110
for shame, heh.
realworld @ 93
Ours is Regula, sigh. Since the only way there’s absolutely NO hope is if you don’t try, I sent him a not-so-subtle nudge.
I firmly agree with the strategy of pinching the Blue Amer. support recipients, to wake them up, PRONTO! They.should.care, and PROVE it.
I’m wondering if this is one of the “other intelligence activities” that is so secret:
“How we Found the Tag
My public talk on RFID privacy took place in Bielefeld the following afternoon (in, of all places, a converted underground WWII military bunker).
When I finished the slide portion of my lecture, FoeBuD’s Co-Director, padeluun, hooked up FoeBuD’s 13.56 MHz RFID reader to the laptop I was using and projected it onto a screen behind me. One by one he and Rena held the tagged Pantene shampoo, Kraft Philadelphia cream cheese, and Gillette razor blades we had bought at the Future Store up to the reader device so the audience could see the active tag data appear on the screen behind me.
Then came the extraordinary moment when padeluun picked up a METRO loyalty card and held it to the reader. Of course, this was just a joke and nothing was supposed to happen. So when a string of numbers DID appear on the screen, we all nearly jumped out of our seats!
This was such an unexpected shock that it took me several moments to regain my composure enough to explain to the audience the importance what they had just seen. Discussing the implications of finding tracking devices in METRO’s loyalty cards was definitely the highlight of my lecture, and by the time I was done, the German audience wanted to see the Future Store shut down.
I believe METRO’s use of RFID tags in its loyalty card is a worldwide first, by the way. To the extent that any other retailer has put an RFID tag in its loyalty, I am not aware of it.”
http://www.spychips.com/metro/scandal-payback.html
LS @ 122
That has truly frightening implications…
First, leave FISA alone. There is nothing wrong with the process as it was originally written. Anyone that votes to change it should be run out of town by recall if possible in their state, or at minimum in the next election.
Second, I can’t believe the number of people I see here that think that things like inherent contempt are actually going to accomplish anything. There is one tool left, and that is impeachment. It is a waste of time to be talking about anything else.
Third, if by some chance, this country survives this criminal adminstration, doesn’t go into military lockdown, actually has an election not stolen by the repigs and a non repuke does win the White House, I see a third party rising to power. You all are aware that there are more than two parties in this country right?
AngryAmerican @ 124
There are a couple of hundred parties in this country. Most of them have membership in the hundreds, maybe one or two thousand. None of them are worth a lot, including the big ones. But they are a way of working together, and it’s lots easier to take over an existing one than to build a new party from the ground up.
LS @ 122
You always bring great things to these tea parties.
P.J. @ 125
Ah, but what will replace the r’s when they’re
lost in a bathtub? And the d’s, they appear lost at sea, eh, mutiny, you say?
The politics of fear is what makes the FISA abuses possible, and one of the helpful facilitators has always been scaredy-cat Ann Althouse (who voted for Gore in 2000, but because things are so scary, has been backing Bush ever since and voted for him in 2004 — go figure). So this is interesting: Ann Althouse’s terrorism meltdown on Wisconsin Public Radio, beating up on the liberals (again). She’s looking for cheese in all the wrong places.
LS @ 119
that could be useful. stay tuned.
The problem for Feingold is that he’s still dealing with the same Senate Democratic ‘cowards’ that broke their committment to him over revisions to the Patriot Act.
In a Hill interview Schumer admitted he used fearmongering and the DCCC purse strings to force through that legislation, and others like it, for ’strategic reasons’.
Well, there’s one thing the Dems have in common with Bush: ’stategery’.
hazmaq @ 129
link?
David W. Bartoo @ 126
Arrr, mutiny it is then ;) Watch out ye scurvy dogs, DiFi I’m lookin’ at you…
TiredFed @ 7
I guess what TiredFed is TRYING to say is.. “Good Morning, Baltimore!“
(Sorry I couldn’t resist. WHO KNEW he was in Baltimore?
NMvoiceofreason @ 41
Isn’t it amazing that the simple suggestion of enforcing the law can sound so radical, so outrageously unusual and dangerous?
I see no reason to change the parts of the FISA law which relate to things previously known and experienced. For things which are new there might be a need to either find a way to apply existing law or actually write some new law.
I trust the Senate to handle it.