Anthony Natale, Padilla’s attorney these past tumultuous five years, cooly informed US Federal Court Judge Marcia Cooke this week that he would not be calling no witnesses on his client’s behalf. None.
It was a not-very-subtle way of signaling that the paucity of the government’s case against Padilla isn’t even worthy of a rejoinder, that he wouldn’t even dignify the credibility of the charges against his client and their unconvincing witnesses by providing no rebuttal witnesses. It appears that closing arguments will be the week of the 13th.
So suddenly the terrorists conspiracy case against Jose Padilla, and his two relatively unknown alleged co-conspirator is coming to a very anticlimactic end–not with a bang but a whimper.
This seemed to be the single sloppiest, high-stakes case in Federal Court ever. But I learned, to my surprise, that many government cases alleging terrorism with the Justice Department in charge have a record of failure and mismanagement.
Laura Parker at USA Today consulted legal scholars and terrorism experts about government allegations of terrorism. statistics.
"What we see time and again is a big press conference and Justice Department statements about how we're prosecuting the war on terrorism, and then the cases either fizzle out or the charges are reduced to relatively minor guilty pleas," says David Cole, a law professor at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C., who specializes in national security.
And the Department of Justice track record?
A "terrorist report card" prepared in September by the Center on Law and Security at the New York University Law School found that in 510 cases since 9/11 that the government said were terrorism-related, only 158 defendants have been prosecuted on charges of terrorism or giving material support to terrorism. The rest have been prosecuted on lesser charges, and no link to terrorism was proved in court. The figures are the most recent available from NYU.
The report found a 29% conviction rate in terrorism prosecutions, compared with the Justice Department's 93% conviction rate in other criminal prosecutions.
After the twelve weeks of the prosecution’s case against Jose Padilla, one wonders if it will join the 71% of Justice Department terrorism prosecutions which ended in failure to convinct. The evidence–or lack thereof–has been extensively reviewed in this column–the alleged fingerprints on a document allegedly obtained from an Afghanistan “stranger” and handed, gratis, to a mysterious CIA agent, the 7 out of 300,000 wire taped conversations in which Padilla was involved, with different translators offering different interpretations of his mention of “zucchini”–vegetable or roadside bomb?
Was Padilla working with _______planning to murder, kidnap and maim people outside of the United States on behalf of Al Qaeda? Who were they planning to murder, kidnap and maim? What steps had they taken in that direction? What methods were they planning to employ? Busch Gardens.
With such a paucity of evidence, why did the Feds pursue this case for five years and break a half-dozen or more laws? FDL reader “mack” offered a reason last week:
You float the lamest as the trial balloon. That establishes precedent.
In other words if that can nail Padilla they can nail anyone.
Let’s look at where the FBI stands, since they, along with the Justice Department, were responsible for pursuit of this case.
According to ABC’s Justin Rood
The FBI is taking cues from the CIA to recruit thousands of covert informants in the United States as part of a sprawling effort to boost its intelligence capabilities.
Ah yes, Americans spying on Americans. How...East German of them.
Even Pravda acknowledged there had to be a limit to that kind of intramural spying, pointing to East Germany as the logical end of that kind of citizen-spys-spying-on-its-citizens.
By the time East Germany collapsed in 1989, it was estimated that 91,000 full-time employees and 300,000 informants were employed by the Stasi.
In other words, about one in fifty East Germans collaborated with the Stasi—one of the highest penetrations of any civilian society by an intelligence-gathering organization.
William Arkin of the Washington Post, (cited by Watson) points out the CIA and NSA are old hands at this kind of spying a long time, with the military working furiously to catch up.
Billions, trillions, even quadrillions, hell, quintillions of wire taps– go for it if that’s what takes to defeat terrorism and preserve the American way of life!
The National Security Analysis Center (NSAC) would bring together nearly 1.5 billion records created or collected by the FBI and other government agencies, a figure the FBI expects to quadruple in coming years, according to an unclassified FBI budget document obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com. (Emphasis added)
Let ‘er rip!
...the FBI's stated hopes to "pro-actively" mine the data to find terrorists using "predictive" analysis...
In theory, predictive analysis involves mapping a known pattern of terrorist behavior -- for instance, the sequence and timing of such mundane activities as bank transactions and travel purchases -- against a massive collection of such records like the NSAC databases. If an individual's actions match the pattern, they can be considered a suspect, even if they
have no known ties to any suspected terrorists or known terrorist groups.
Such a method would help identify “sleeper cells,” the FBI claims
Sleeper cells, indeed. Nice thought to put yourself to sleep with tonight. Counting potential spies not sheep.
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low digits?
((Waives to LL from the left coast this week))
LoudounLib at 1
YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE WHAT I WENT THROUGH TO GET HERE! MORE LATER
((waves back at petedownunder/leftcoaster))
Cable goes out. They say back at 4:40. Then 6:50.
No good. Get lap top go to my cafe. I say I will be here for a while. They say tonight is drums night! Go to Starbucks pay $$ Up, then out. Back to my cafe and got here with 2 minutes to spare
Hi Lew,
First sentence…not be calling ANY witnesses.
My dawg, if you are NOT watching CSpan and this FISA discussion, yer missing John Tierney just SLAMMING IT down the throats of those gathered there!!!
GO TIERNEY GO!!!!!
WHOOOOO!
Lewis Z. Koch @ 6
omg Lew, what a hassle!
The thing with fascism, is it’s quality of endurance.
Loo Hoo at 7
Yeah. But I love “no” then followed by “none.” Looking for alleration
Mahalo, Lew!!! What is your reaction to no Defense Witness testimony? Do you think the Jury should hear some? *g*
Nothing has changed
http://electronicintifada.net/new.shtml
The United States is dead. Some person here needs to tell us what to do.
Are the neocons neo-fascists? And what exactly is a new-fascist?
So why is the gov so unsuccessful? No terrorists here? Incompetence? What?
CTuttle at 11
Yeah, it’s a gamble. Do you think the jury will get the “contempt” Padilla’s lawyer has for the evidence against his client. He can’t call Padilla, of course. So calling no one (anyone) may be the best ploy. We’ll know soon.
Lew says “In other words if that can nail Padilla they can nail anyone.”
Remember Ari Fleischer saying something like “people need to watch what they say”?
WTF is happening to this country?!
Lewis Z. Koch @ 6
In Chi-town?
Lungren’s drunk, I think.
Lewis Z. Koch @ 16
Won’t his contempt for gov case come thru in his closing? Wherein he’ll say something like: gov’s case so weak it was not necessary to rebut it. Can he cite judge’s remarkthat the case was “thin”?
OldCoastie @ 19
Do his eyes always look like that?
LoudounLib @ 21
no and usually his speech is much sharper.
OldCoastie @ 19
I have seen him speak on TV when he was in office in Ca and often thought he seemed drunk. If i were a Repug these days, I expect I would drink a lot.
eCAHNomics at 15
I think the Justice Department is putting weak cases on, cases they would normally not even prosecute, But the pressure is on, they don’t have eager Assistant US Attorneys who are hot to do it but they have a hell of a lot of USAs who’ve graduated a non-law school, law school.
The good guys have ducked. Thank goodness for their courage in turning down the case.
I completely disagree with such a tactic. Standard process would go for low hanging fruit first & get yerself up a head o’ steam. Doing the most difficult first shows you to be a jerk & taints all future cases.
Pardon me for asking but who makes the wiretap equipment? That is some government contract!
Great Post! The Unbelievable (Quite literally) FISA debate is going on now, the lamest demagoguery I have heard in awhile, which is saying a lot for this crowd. They are going to sell out in exchange for AGAG’s resignation, I just know it.
My little Congress-jerk is running things for the Republiclown, I can’t wait to see him when he gets back. I am seriously considering self-immolation in his office. Perhaps it will get Lamar’s attention and as an added bonus it might make Dubhaltach think better of the anti-war movement here.
To Bluetoe
Re: Last thread.
Felt that 70% were off-thread. Understandably
so.
Thanks for your feedback.
OldCoastie @ 20
As a CA’nian since oh, ‘62 or so, I DESPISE that scum!!!
Absolutely. Despise. That. Reptile.
Schiff was dead on with his concern for ‘incidental’ datamining of any Americans stateside!
nonplussed @ 27
Nothing would get Lamar’s attention. He seems so dumb, but aren’t they all.
Implying what? That they don’t have any reaal terrorists? Or that they have some but aren’t prosecuting them?
The Moussaoui case was really bad. Some TSA officials refused to speak to defense attorneys. There was a lawyer Carla Martin from the TSA who advised members of the FAA not to talk to the defense. She also coached witnesses on their prospective testimony. One of the government prosecutors David Novak spoke to two witnesses at the same time over the phone raising similar concerns. Novak admitted the impropriety but said he was only talking to them about scheduling issues.
And this is only a little of what went on at a trial that seemed more circus than judicial proceeding. It was the Moussaoui case that really showed me just how twisted and inept prosecutions of extremely unsympathetic individuals could be.
eCAHNomics @ 20
Will the Jury buy it???
Feh . . Duncan Hunter “significant delay on the battlefield” due to lack of FISA revisions.
There IS no delay, as I’ve read elsewhere today.
Battlefield tactics proceed as is, then, it’s up to folks to file for warrants and get approval after the fact . . .
Another reason to be spiteful of some CA representation. But we gave the world Tricky Dick and Ronnie, so what the heck . . grand tradition.
I have a dream - more a night. Padilla in his suit hears a not guilty verdict and three men arrest him and haul him off — charges to be determined later. That I could actually think and write that last sentence is how far Bush et al has taken us.
Ooh, Jane!!!
nonplussed @ 28
Don’t bother such a drastic measure. A Quaker tried that in front of the White House during the Vietnam War. Nothing! Nada! No impact!
Ctuttle @ 33
I single-handedly hung a jury in a murder trial because all the prosecution had was an alleged confession to a dectective. So perhaps I’m not a good judge of what the average jury will or won’t buy.
lew-you sent me to my dictionary with the repeated use of the word ‘paucity’ and i am a word queen………
so, for those who didn’t know what it is-websters………
paucity-Fewness; scarcity; smallness of quantity.
that Heather Wilson sure is a good little republican…
Lewis Z. Koch @ 34
I absolutely can visualize that! Gitmo has made that abundantly clear!!!
Lewis Z. Koch @ 35
Unfortunately, I’m sure you’re right on this one.
So. Are we prepared to say that with Padilla, etc., that the Bush DOJ, as distinct from an actual DOJ, is in panic mode?
Heil Bush! Das Homeland bist here.
Not!!!!!
I salute you with the bird!!
Heather “I stole my last election” Wilson reminds me of the avg NPR commentator these days.
Hugh at 32
You make critical points here. Moussaoui needs to be thoroughly examined. The G has tossed this “WE can’t tell you” bullshit and I think it’s time they get called on it. Put one reporter and one lawyer who’s doesn’t mind making waves…I do think that reporter doesn’t have to be print..I think a killer blogger could create a storm. Or at least try.
Lewis Z. Koch @ 37
They would do that without a blinking. We are there.
dmac @ 39
Paucity I knew. What sent me to the dictionary a couple of days ago was gallimaufry.
Lew: There’s gotta be some kind of bloggers’ medal for what you went through today! Thanks for bringing us this continuing story. It is truly an outrage. We need better times.
*uck you! Heather Wilson with your dumbass exhibits 9-11 o! my!
Call me simple. But I can’t see much difference between the Nazis in the run-up to WWII, and the Bush administration.
So why aren’t they catching any genuine terrorists who would be easy to prosecute?
eCAHNomics @ 49
In my home town we call that gumbo.
Oklahoma kiddo at 42
I think the DOJ is in FULL PANIC mode. They’re going to be shredding and deleting as fast as their fingers can fly, But they know that there are seriously pissed off people who will be digging deep the next four and eight years, and come up with serious shit.
Amen, preach it! Rule of Law!!
eCAHNomics @ 51
Three words: “Heckuva Job, Brownie!” ;-)
OldCoastie @ 39
Always reminds me of Nancy Kulp, (aka “Miss Jane” on Beverly Hillbillies) playing a very nasty role…
Looking at Bush on Olbermann. My gawd. That arrogant head-bobbing of the prez is annoying.
eCAHNomics at 51
What does your gut tell you?
Lewis Z. Koch @ 56
I surely do hope so. I surely do.
I am so sick that our laws mean nothing anymore.
And why does the President get to break the law?
and lew- i don’t ‘get’ the calling of no witnesses………..really, someone should be able to say he was talking about zucchini……..as zuchini……..
even his own mom???????? somebody????????
i would want someone to get up there and say who i am.
nonplussed @ 58
lol, I can see that ;-)
Lewis Z. Koch @ 54
This will be going on all over W’s branch pretty soon if not already. I figured out about two years ago that they were going to destroy all the records, and a lot of what we know now was just suspicion back then. I can remember exactly where I was when the thought struck me-riding my bicycle down the back side of Mohonk Mountain house. Thought about it for the rest of the 45 mile ride.
One day we may all meet, not at YKos, but on some Fatal Shore island when we are rounded up as enemies of the state.
Lewis Z. Koch @ 53
Yeah! All those trod on toes might deliver a mighty boot in the Political Toadies’ collective arse!!!
Jonathan @ 14
Some person(s) did: Franklin, Jefferson, Paine, Adams et al.
Lewis Z. Koch @ 35
I have a dream - more a night. Padilla in his suit hears a not guilty verdict and three men arrest him and haul him off — charges to be determined later. That I could actually think and write that last sentence is how far Bush et al has taken us.
I don’t think you’re having a nightmare. I think you’re seeing into the future.
N=1 @ 67
Yes. And I like what they have to say. I am ready.
CTuttle @ 56
Yeah, that’s my guess too, but I’m looking for something more definitive. One wag described the wiretapping sweeps as looking for a needle in a haystack by adding more hay. Fundamental concept of how they’re looking is flawed? Terrorism is genuinely a problem of samll numbers.
Or as someone suggested on another thread, maybe there aren’t any terorists.
My first FDL HT
(must be a slow week)
This Administration has teset the bar to new lows in sooooo many areas
Hurricanes? Never heard of ‘em.
Infrastructure repairs? No money after tax cuts.
Re-emptivly invade a sovereign nation on the flimsiest of pretexts? No problem.
Politicize Federal law enforcement? You bet’cha.
The scary thing is that the already flawed DOJ/FBI infrastructure has now been broken, possibly beyond repair.
QuakerGirl @ 65
and yet, we’ll all ready know each other.
Lew,
Predictive analysis in these cases is completely flawed as they haven’t a baseline to use for predictions.
To do that they would have to have very extensive records of hundreds of terrorists so that they might extract something which is identifiable.
That’s all hogwash and grasping at straws.
But they go even further because they plant and encourage and entrap suckers and then use their behavior as predictive. What jerks.
Save us from the national security state.
Free Speech TV 8:00 CT - tonight.
America: Freedom to Fascism.
If you have not seen this, please watch it.
Also, it can be googled and is on line.
Everything said in it has come to pass and is happening now. Very compelling.
jayt @ 68
I don’t think you’re having a nightmare. I think you’re seeing into the future.
Just as they giveth freedom to Libby they taketh freedom from others.
I can remember watching the Watergate hearings live ( I was supposed to be working.) Then I’d come home, and watch a complete rerun on PBS.
I…had…the time of my life!!! (he sung)
Maybe…one more time!
Elliott @ 70
They had better have some serious guards if they round up the FDL group.
eCAHNomics @ 38
Bless you. I had a case that hung 11-1 one way on some charges and 11-1 the other way on other charges. I never even bothered to find out which was which.
On re-trial, I did a better job, and won acquittal on *all* charges. If it wasn’t for that one citizen standing up and refusing to be swayed, a grave injustice would have been done. I applaud your courage.
Hoekstra: “This bill protects terrorists.”
I do not believe that they have found a SINGLE terrorist with all their intelligence. I think it’s bunk. I have no evidence that this threat even exists today. All I have are what LIARS tell me.
They don’t DARE apply the rule of law to Terrorism because their propaganda would evaporate.
I am so sick of this shit.
SanderO @ 72
Seems to me Stalin & Hitler were more competent than W?
Twain @ 77
I fixed your typo
ecahn at 50 says-”Paucity I knew. What sent me to the dictionary a couple of days ago was gallimaufry.”
i remember, that one i knew, puacity, no………funny, isn’t it? i love language.
Elliott at 70
“…if they round up the FDL group.” Now you’re really taking me back to ‘68
Elliott @ 79
Now why didn’t I think of that. Thanks
Elliott @ 72
Pleased to meet you, Elliott. You sound and look like a friend to me:)
Lewis Z. Koch @ 75
The Ds would have to grow a pair. I can see the pardons flowing fast & furious to “heal the nation’s wounds.” Otherwise we need to elect a whole bunch of new Ds with b*lls.
SanderO @ 74
Ding! Ding! Ding!
Anyone think as I do, that we are being monitored on this site right this very minute? Or what it would mean if we lost the ability to communicate this way?
LoudounLib @ 18
It is no longer in the gerund phase…drop the -ing…it’s happened.
Toby Wollin @ 89
Yep — they’re monitoring, alright…and taking copious notes.
QuakerGirl @ 85
likewise!
jayt @ 77
I ran into the jury foreman at a fundraiser several years later. He recognized me; I didn’t know who the heck he was until he told me. I said, oh yeah, what ever happened? Did they retry him? Thru clenched teeth he said: Yes they did and he was found guilty. Some of us were right. Didn’t convince me. To this day, I still have my reasonable doubt.
quaker girl at 55-”In my home town we call that gumbo.”
in parts of ohio, anything we don’t ‘get’ we call ‘cheesecake’………..
james, you’re right.
Toby Wollin at 86
Of course they’re monitoring this site, and others. It’s all being sucked into these giant NSA computers, just waiting to be taken out the next time, These folks aren’t going away. Hoover still lives in the hearts of his FBI.
fdl reader @ 79
Who would ever have thought that the mastermind could do all this and run such a clever operation from a primitive cave.
eCAHNomics @ 68
They exist! But, the sheer amount of dialogue(whatever the medium!) still needs to be ‘analyzed’!!! There’s a finite number to review an infinite amount of data!!! ;-)
Toby Wollin @ 88
YES!
Toby Wollin @ 88
My feelings would be hurt if we were being ignored by THEM
Lewis Z. Koch @ 96
Zuchini! Zuchini! Zuchini!
worth a watch - ABC Nightline story on NSA (9min)
(takes a few seconds to load plus 30sec ad)
Mark Klein (22year tech @ ATT)
this is how it’s done…
Toby Wollin @ 89
The first part, absolutely (waves!!!). The second part is that we didn’t have it before, and we stopped the Vietnam war and Richard Nixon. We the People are 300,000,000 strong. If push ever comes to shove on a mass scale, fasten your seatbelt. This Administration cherry picks individuals to use as “examples”. They are bullies. They could never handle the whole country. The country is not completely paying attention yet, but much more so now than say 2 years ago. It is the poor stragglers that they attack, but they can’t get the whole herd.
Toby Wollin @ 87
I assume they sweep every phone call, internet interaction, etc, into their databases & scan for combinations of key words. Trouble for them is they don’t have enuf people to go after us yet.
Lewis Z. Koch @ 95
It’s not that they’re monitoring us it’s that they are monitoring every dem leader in this country.
Toby Wollin @ 89
I know we are - Just pop in and check Site Meter from time to time. They don’t even always use anonymized IP addresses. I am finally used to the Pentagon and EOP showing up on my blog.
And yes - when - not if - net freedom is lost, so will we all be.
A 22nd century police state with all the tools of computing and communications technology. Then add neighbors and spying on neighbors and East Germany and the Stasi would seem quite archaic.
The transformation of the US from a constitutional democracy with rule of law and protection of the rights of individuals to a society where the elites rule through fear and intimidation is well on its way.
As the Padilla case shows here was a US citizen tortured in jail with no charges for several years and then tried on lesses charges with limited evidence and a lot of insinuations.
One of these days it could be any one of us that Lewis could be blogging about. And we’ll lament but not take any action.
The Dems elites are also part of the problem. Note how fast they are willing give up warrants and FISA court supervision on surveillance of citizens in the USA.
They want us to think that if they can get Padilla, they can get anyone. They can’t on a mass scale. They want us to be afraid of them when it should be the other way around.
Why is it that we cannot remember how to communicate without these boxes? In order for communication to work we need to be organized around something that is not
fully digital.
Paul Revere?
fdl reader @ 100
Hahahahah! Ditto!