Congress is being kept in session because it will be the target — probably a nuke

Watch for the Bush crime organization to leave town for Colorado before the shit hits the fan.

Then, Executive Order 51, signed, sealed and finally delivered up the unwilling asses of your children and grandchildren.

gg america, way to be good germans.

It did seem to me that NPR’s tone and wording were suggesting that somehow it was the Dems’ fault the Rethugs had to behave badly….

Impeachment – we’ll see.

I think h.con.r.21 was kicking the can down the road. It’s all wrong (translation wrong) but the WaPo, NYT and all the rest would’ve been screaming bloody murder if it hadn’t passed. After years and years of a total lack of activism from the Left, you shouldn’t be surprised that most Dems take their cues from the wrong sources.

Oops, sorry at 155 I double blockquoted many of my responses, instead of escaping them.

that’s ok, i think i get your points. i just disagree:

so, no reason to blame the blue dogs for secret trade deal with bush, or h.con.r.21 or impeachment blockade.

we completely disagree about h.con.r.21. there are major lies in that bill (in fact it’s based on lies) and even juan cole was pissed. it gives bush rhetorical justification for an attack on iran.

p.s. i think there’s always multiple versions of bills – when they are passed, they get a different designation. i’m complaining about the one the house passed.

if none of my issues are your issues… then it makes sense for you not to be pissed at pelosi… maybe we should just conclude that we care about different issues? i’m ok with that…

GordonM @ 252 –

i don’t hate her. i’m pissed off. the two things are different.

and did you read my list?

how are the blue dogs responsible for her secret trade deal with bush?

I guess I don’t have a high enough security clearance to know much about this.

how are the blue dogs responsible for h.con.r.21?

I don’t like that one, but there’s no “there” there. It just says “we’re concerned”.

how are the blue dogs responsible for impeachment being off the table?

That can be parsed a number of ways.

do you think glenn greenwald is wrong?

Every once in awhile, I’m sure he is.

i’m not saying she is a lost cause or even that she’s not one of the better ones. i am saying i think she’s screwing up.

i’d love to be able to think differently. i don’t see how the evidence supports that…. but, if you can explain how h.con.r.21 was not a seriously irresponsible action – please tell me.

It punts to the UN. That is all it does. Not “good”, but not “irresponsible” either, because it has absolutely no teeth.

There are 3 versions of Bill Number H.CON.RES.21 for the 110th Congress
1 . Calling on the United Nations Security Council to charge Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with violating the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide… (Introduced in House)[H.CON.RES.21.IH]
2 . Whereas the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (commonly referred to as the `Genocide Convention’) defines genocide as, among other things, the… (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House)[H.CON.RES.21.EH]
3 . Calling on the United Nations Security Council to charge Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with violating the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide… (Referred to Senate Committee after being Received from House)[H.CON.RES.21.RFS]

i don’t hate her. i’m pissed off. the two things are different.

and did you read my list?

how are the blue dogs responsible for her secret trade deal with bush?
how are the blue dogs responsible for h.con.r.21?
how are the blue dogs responsible for impeachment being off the table?

do you think glenn greenwald is wrong?

i’m not saying she is a lost cause or even that she’s not one of the better ones. i am saying i think she’s screwing up.

i’d love to be able to think differently. i don’t see how the evidence supports that…. but, if you can explain how h.con.r.21 was not a seriously irresponsible action – please tell me.

Please do the math.

There are 231 Ds, 202 Rs in the House right now.

44 Ds are Blue Dogs. Another 44 are “New Democrats” (headed by Tauscher). 72 are in the Progressive Coalition.

On issues of security, or “anti-business” legislation, you have to peel off Blue Dogs and New Democrats. To get them to peel off, you often have to take a position that loses Progressives.

In her duties as Speaker, Pelosi’s personal positions don’t matter – she has to build consensus.

Democrats don’t fall in line when given their marching orders like Republicans do. It’s why we like Democrats.

I personally would prefer that Pelosi were more progressive. But I’ve been observing politics for a long time, and I think she is about the sharpest, most professional politician you will ever see. She knows what she is doing.

If you don’t like what the Dem majority is doing, please have at your nearest Blue Dog or New Dem. My rep is a Blue Dog and he is now voting consistently against the war. Pressure works. But pressure on Pelosi is risky because (1) her opinion is not as important as consensus and (2) she is very, very good at the game.

Its been a while since I said thank Hugh, out loud, but I think it almost every day Hugh.

amen!

and “thank you” to you too, ES!