Oscar on his rounds. Photographer: AP Photo/Stew Milne.
The story of Oscar the cat has zipped around the world as has nothing else recently. I’ve seen stories on the little fellow in newspapers in India, Afghanistan and Australia, as well as other news orgs worldwide. Granted, many newspapers and TV stations like to do stories on celebrities or cute fluffy animals doing cute things — especially when it means that they can avoid talking about things such as the import of a United States Attorney General lying like a rug under oath — but I’ve never seen a “cute little animal” story like this become a worldwide obsession. Papers in countries that don’t give a damn about Paris Hilton or Lindsay Lohan have had something to say about Oscar.
Oscar, you see, seems to have an interesting talent: Predicting death.
Ever since Oscar’s story was published in the New England Journal of Medicine, there has been a firestorm of controversy over this small two-year-old male cat.
For those who are coming late to the story: Oscar, in his two years of life (he was raised from kittenhood at a hospice for persons with dementia), is normally a very aloof cat. He does not normally cuddle up to people. The exception: Those hospice residents who are four hours or less away from dying.
In twenty-five cases, when Oscar has jumped up on the bed of a hospice patient and stayed there, that patient has quietly passed away within four hours of Oscar’s appearance. He lies on the bed next to the dying person, purring away; when the human staff note his presence, they take it as a signal to immediately notify the person’s family members that their loved one is about to expire. Because of Oscar, the persons in that hospice are guaranteed the comfort of friends and relations — as well as a purring guide from this world to the next. Small wonder that the hospice has put up a plaque in his honor.
Many explanations have been advanced: Coincidence, his alleged attraction to the heating pads often placed on dying persons as their circulation fails, or simply the re-socialization of a born predator’s super-sensitive feel for death into something that aids the human family of hospice patients and workers wherein he’s spent his entire life. Lots of people who are themselves scared to death of death see the cat as an enemy and accuse him of killing the patients himself. The more mystical among us say that Oscar is in fact helping the confused spirits of dementia victims find their way to Heaven.
Whatever it is, I think it’s just peachy that he’s doing it. He is truly a bodhicattva, helping beings not of his species achieve catori. He ensures that his charges aren’t alone when they die, and that’s not a small thing. The fact that he’s normally a grouchy cat — rather like a feline version of Gregory House — detracts not one whit from his good deeds. (And he shouldn’t be blamed for the US media’s shoving Alberto Gonzales’ dicey deeds down out of view: The media moguls weren’t and aren’t going to tell us all the full story on Gonzo anyway; if Oscar wasn’t around, they would have chatted about something else instead, but they would never have given AGAG’s perfidy the full treatment that it deserved. As Jamison Foser’s article points out, it’s not just that the media’s addicted to fluff, it’s that they will bird-dog a scandal when a Democrat is the culprit, but when a Republican commits actual and far more serious crimes, they only give cursory coverage of them.)
Well done, Oscar, and keep it up.
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oooohhh, kittehs…hi PW!
Z!
God on you, LL!
Zed?
Eh top ten. It’s enough of a roll for me ;-)
PB @ 5
Similarly placed!!!
I was going to call everyone upstairs but you beat me to that too LL!
Love and Let Love
(voice of the announcer guy from abc’s wide world of sports) now climbing the tower is Suzanne, representing The Free Republic of Suzanne wearing what can only be described as a diving outfit with a large one finger salute emblazoned on front and the back)
boing boing – reverse one and a half somersaults with three and a half twists, in the free position – no splash
Shit- the best explanation is that the cat is killin em.
Cats and dogs both detect subtle changes in humans – some are excellent at detecting cancer, some are seizure predictors and others can detect the onset of precipitous drops in blood sugar. That a cat is savvy to dying is not a surprise at all. I used to have a sanctuary for senior and special needs animals, and when they were dying, there was always a “nurse” animal very near. It crossed all species, and it was always the same type of behavior: extreme attentiveness and keeping vigil.
Oscar really is an amazing cat, and I do think he’s providing comfort.
wangdangdoodle @ 7
;-)
It is not unusual for animals to perceive what we cannot!
R.I.P.
United States of America
1776 – 2007
I’m much more familiar with dogs than cats; but dogs can do some pretty amazing things. I’ve no doubt that Oscar is sensing something we can’t detect. Cats have superb hearing that’s better than most mammals — I’d bet that he’s hearing some sort of change in respiration that alerts him.
Dogs have about the best sense of smell (cats hear better than dogs; dogs smell better than cats), and having personally trained dogs in scent work, I can attest to things like the ability of some dogs to detect cancer in people, for example.
Weird stuff.
kitties, no wait, why are you sitting there staring at me. Good kitty some cat nip?
whoa, Suz is diving again! woo hoooo
BTW, this so needs to be lolcat’d…
“Fear me,
I is grimm reeper” ?
Suzanne @ 9
A newly liberated country stuns the judges! The Bulgarian is looking at the Russian unable to score!!! Hmmm… Demand a recount!!!
Suzanne @ 9
love your outfit – and that was a terrific dive!
bodhisattva, with an ’s’:an enlightened being.
bodhi = enlightened, sattva = being
Then, there’s bodhicattva, enlightened cat.
Suzanne @ 9
How does 9.9 from the judge in the SFV sound?
(I spent the Fourth of July making a skull-and-crossbones flag as a wall decoration. Since we apparently aren’t going to be a democracy until we physically reclaim the government ….)
Can Oscar has Cheezburger?
Evening all. Mystical kitteh doin’s tonight.
PB @ 19
Actually he was on there a few days ago — part of the caption was “ur next!”
Do we need a cute little kitty to fight for our constitution?
So kitty love is now hazardous to your health, now where do you put the label. Better yet how do you get the cat to sit still for that?
noen @ 15
Geeez – I think you just flunked “happy”.
LoudounLib @ 26
*smacks self on head*
So he was, and I even laughed at it! My memory’s going to shit these days…
beautiful dive suzanne! i went swimming with emptywheel this afternoon.
Btw,
What Oscar is doing next to the patient is called ‘pure-ing’…
Hi Suzanne!
Does your Republic have a generous immigration policy?
DrDick @ 25
DD, Fuckery is the more apropo description!!! 8-(
TexB @ 27
He can’t be less effective than anything we’ve got out there right now!
pshycatrist = shrink for screwed up kitty
pw – your invention of the word bodhicattva for oscar is right on.
*brilliant*
namaste
TexB
you’re supposed to be out on the town
C’mon
Twain @ 29
That happens when you get stabbed in the back.
mack @ 38
I am out with people. But most of us have laptops out. You’ve never seen this many laptops in your life.
Oscar last seen curling up to a copy of teh Bill of Rights, approx. 5pm EST.
Suzanne @ 9
To what do we owe the honour of this dive?
TexB @ 31
sweet, tex – feels dayam good to be back in the water myself
open immigration policy – no swearing of loyalty oaths, pet friendly
caliph garrett @ 41
funny and sad at the same time
In a related story. Oscar was found today wandering the halls of congress. Apparently he couldn’t decide where to curl up as the stench of death was everywhere.
The Conference Committee on this BS FISA crap had better end up in a stalemate!!! Fortunately, there are discrepancies between the House’s BS and the Senate’s BS!!! *g*
Suzanne @ 43
Sweet. It’s me and my lab, then. Friendly thing, will leave the cats (and Oscar!) alone…
CTuttle @ 46
Did the senate pass the whole bill or just an amendment?
Bon soir, mes amigos.
TexB, love the liveblogs, love the photos……as I tell my son when he gets all his spelling words right: “Dude! You rock!”
Love the kitty, even though I am very allergic to him, so if he ever shows up on my deathbed there will be no doubt as to my COD.
Hate whatever horrible unspeakable thing happened in the senate tonight. I sort of know, but don’t really want to.
CTuttle @ 46
even though the House bill had a majority, for some reason cspan was sayin’ it needs 2/3rds to pass (don’t ask me, I don’t know)
Nancy just got about a hundred tons of concrete dumped on her head.
TexB @ 40
Actually,
Go to some D&D based con or gamer convention. Even an anime convention. I’d bet they’d give YK2 a run for its money in laptops per headcount. Particularly the gamer ones… the words ‘Hotel LAN Party’ come to mind. *grins* (knows way too many gamers in RL)
CTuttle @ 46
I heard that only the Senate bill passed.
You can be sure though that the House will roll over just like the Senate did. There is not reason to think they’ll do anything different.
And is the beginning of the end, or the end of the beginning? This is a story whose end I wish I could know. But given a choice I think I would rather have the soft furry face of a cat, rather than well you get the point.
Perhaps I should rethink the naming of my free republic. I was thinking it was gonna be just me so indulged in a wee bit of megalomania – now that I am getting immigration queries, what should I rename it?
Just ganked this from The Smirking Chimp: http://www.asce.org/reportcard/2005/page.cfm?id=22
JEEBUS!
I think it is kind of funny to imagine all the computers at YKos……i.e., even though you’re all in the same place, you’re still communicating via blogosphere….
Friend of mine has bridge phobia. I’m beginning to think it’s a perfectly logical one to have!
Suzanne @ 54
Go for the megalomania, how many more shots are you going to get at it?
and that’s a kitti shinigami! (death god)
Benevolent usually in japanese myth. I’m glad that he’s doing such a good thing for those families. Amazing creatures all around us. ^_^
PB @ 57
I never thought much about driving across bridges until the other day. Now I don’t know whether I’ll ever drive across the Bay Bridge in MD again, or even the one across the Oregon Inlet in NC…although that will make it kinda hard to get to Hatteras!
noen @ 52
WTF is going on here? Are they seriously going to give additional power to DOJ/AGAG at the same time they are threatening perjury/obstruction?
I simply dont get how little the dems are able to accomplish and/or negotiate. Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.
Only time my cats will be in the same room is if I’m feeling poorly. Then all three come sit on me or at my feet. They declare a mini truce — like the Christmas Truce in WWI.
The (short) story of how I came to dive again (from downstairs)
Suzanne @ 50
Ok, folks! IIRC, both the House and Senate have passed bills favorable to Shrub! Albeit, the devil’s in the details of both! However, there is one other hurdle besides a Prez Veto, Conference Committee!!!
My cats know when I am sick, they get in bed with me and generally stay close instead of going off and attending to important cat business. When my daughter was eight she woke up in the middle of the night with respiratory problems. A cold had rapidly turned into bronchitis. She was struggling for air and trying to call out to me. Our kitty came in my bedroom and walked on my head, meowing until she woke me up so I could go take care of the little human. My daughter spent the night in the ER, but we stopped for cat treats on the way home. Oscar is taking his job seriously, and what a blessing for families to have that warning so they can be with their loved one at the end.
Kat Bloggin’ on a Friday at DogLake.
I’ve seen a couple different times, cats that didn’t get along too well, but when one was at death’s door, other came to in one case lick the other’s head (and I knew headlickee was a goner), and the other time, the two napped together, which was unprecedented.
Suzanne @ 54
I think ya need 100 Year-round residents to do it!!!
well, I can explain oscars ability and I cannot understand why this hasn’t been pointed out before;
the theory has been around awhile…it’s always been called a cat scan and I’m suprised this old technology is making ‘mews’
On topic, I think this story is absolutely fascinating.
I don’t know what exactly happened with the FISA legislation. I am going to be disgruntled as usual if my Repug senators voted for it (and amazed if they didn’t), but I am going to be seriously outraged if my new, Democratic Congresswoman voted with the White House position.
perris @ 68
707!!!
Suzanne @ 9
Nine point five, nine point nine, nine point nine, nine point eight, and seven point three from the Russian judge. ;-)
urban pirate @ 61
Of course they will.
These are people who have spent their entire lives telling you what you want to hear so they can get a seat in the halls of power.
Frankly, I’m scared, genuinely scared. I won’t last long in the “New Handmaids Tale”.
neurophius @ 70
All my congresscritters rejected Shrub’s plans!!! *g*
neurophius @ 70
From what I understand, the legislation the Senate passed is only in effect for six months and does not allow domestic spying.
Not the best options, but not what Bush wanted — he wants permanent domestic spying rights.
Even Jeff Bridges is considered unstable. Something must be done!
Anybody have a link to voting record on FISA?
TRex just waved at the laptop and went off to go to a bar with a bunch of folks.
PB @ 19
It was. :-)
Well roads and bridges, electrical grids, water treatment, water supplies in general. Not bright objects to focus on. The environment (a well my house is nice issue) and my car (I’ll beat you with a stick if you take it), so what to do, indeed what to do. You are losing what influence you have on your governments, your rights, your (so called) leaders. I have looked in to the past and seen how things were done then, as a guide but none exists, I guess you who are young enough must find your way, you are off the map in many ways.
well
i was really hoping to meet up with some folks while y’all are in chi-town
but this is a packed week/end for us
tommorrow is a great chicago tradition
our block party
Phoenix Woman @ 75
Hmmm, he promised to veto if it wasn’t the bill he wanted. ?? Heckuva job if we have to depend on his word to get out of this.
I’m from CA — I know Boxer voted against all this mummery; what did DiFi do?
PB @ 82
Hid in the ladies’ room
today’s YKOS pix. also on my facebook page.
DiFi had the ultimate politician’s ephiphany and voted for BOTH the shrub version and the workable one…
nitwit.
Thanks for the scores, PW… I see the Russian judge has apparently resumed his affair with that Bulgarian judge.
MSNBC report
Senate votes to expand eavesdropping power
TexB @ 78
No Pix of TRex???
CTuttle @ 88
Just took it 2 minutes ago. He slept through breakfast. Will post it later.
Suzanne @ 86
I told ya they were eyeing one another!!! ;-)
noen @ 87
Like a thief in the night.
1787-2007. R.I.P.
-GSD
Suzanne @ 9
How provocative…Tsk tsk
;>)
Betsy: Excellent photos! Thanks for such a clear view of the doings alongside Lake Michigan. Travel safely…
TexB @ 89
Awesome! Ma’am, I adore your love-blogging for us unfortunate Pups!!! *g*
Suzanne @ 9
Back in training, I see. Guess I’d better but the kibosh on the high-calorie desserts. How about some of this instead?
darkblack, if you click on my f (and are registered at facebook) you will see what the diving outfit had on it
that was really a wussy one finger salute by a wussy person you posted. mine has attitude, dude!
CTuttle @ 94
Glad to do it.
Today I did two interviews that are in mp3 format. anyone know how i can share those with y’all?
TexB @ 78
Tell TRex that Oscar the cat meowed his way!
darkblack @ 92
Do I dare Folks? DB does have a hefty tab for eye bleach!!!
burnspbesq @ 95
Only if we can get some prosciutto with it.
Oh, I just read noen’s FISA link at 87 above. It says:
“Initial approval by Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.”
I feel so much better now.
Why don’t they just give approval authority to KKKarl Rove?
neurophius @ 77
Here’s a breakdown.
Many of the usual suspects including Feinstein voting with Shrub-inistas. Clinton and Obama voted no, and defended the Constitution.
It is a craven cave-in, it gives Alberto Gonzales expanded authority……
The man should be cooling his heels in the clink and the Democrats just gave him MORE power.
Cowards. No wonder people think that Democrats don’t have guts. They don’t.
Bush just has to yell oooga-booga about terrorism and the party folds like a lawn-chair.
-GSD
burns – huge sigh – cantaloupe? are you saying i need to lose weight?
Domestic spying is a done deal, big corporate won in the 1860’s, get your freedoms back, have your voices heard, a dream worth having but I do lose heart. As resources grow harder to come by the dogs of war and commerce bark louder and become fierce, the chains break one by one. But I hope I’m very wrong, never in my life I have wished I was wrong more.
TexB @ 84
Never seen so many drugged out hippies in one place.
Suzanne @ 96
One of my favs. ;-)
RonD @ 33
And what’s the corporate income tax rate? Is RoS in competition with Ireland and Singapore to attract runaway U.S. manufacturing facilities?
It’s the opposite of Hello Kitty!
Marretta @ 65
beautiful story. Have I mentioned recently that I am an animal lover?
They are so much better than us people. We don’t even deserve to live in their world.
bonkers @ 102
The questions is did they wait to cast their votes until it was clear it was going to pass anyway?
Suzanne @ 96
‘Attitude’…Hmmm, I’m not familiar with that sort of thing.
Perhaps I should adopt one.
Don’t look, CTuttle
;>)
bonkers @ 102
Well I am proud to say both my boys still believe in teh constitution and voted “NO!”. 8-)
oddmommy @ 110
My cat is nodding in agreement.
CTuttle @ 74
but YOU live in a tropical paradise, do you not??
For those of you who wanted to find out some details on this evening’s FISA
SelloutUpdate bill in the Senate:Senate Passes Bush Spy Bill:
(my bold)
So the Senate gave Gonzo – Mr. Perjury, and McConnell – Mr. Perjury’s Alibi, the authority to wiretap away to their hearts content.
Now the only hope is in the House, but I ain’t gonna hold my breath.
This FISA fix is being done in unseemly haste, and yet again Congress is letting itself be stampeded by GWB, just at they did in the cases of the Patriot Act, the AUMF, and the MCA. We’ve learned the hardway that the devil is in the detail when it comes to legislation that risks civil liberties. Such legislation should be vetted by the citizenry, not rushed into law because some petulant executive who delights in making people knuckle under threatens to blame them if anything goes wrong. He has been operating for weeks with a broken law; another four weeks wouldn’t be the end of the world.
Spineless bastards!
noen @ 111
If amy one of them had voted “no” the amendment would not have passed.
ah good. Levin and Stabenow voted No. Thank goodness. Though i still dont’ like Levin caving on other issues like Iran…
darkblack @ 112
AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH! The pain! Eye bleach and a bottle of Bushmill’s, STAT!
bonkers @ 102
Ooh, I stand corrected! Inouye voted Yea! I’m pissed! I had a call back today from Akaka’s Office, they’re concerned about recess appointments, and laughed when I said Inherent Contempt! Impeachment of Abu will move swiftly! Hmmm…!!!
Snack is here.
this evening’s pizza
and a cookie
Schwag of Tulsa @ 109
haw haw……Goodbye Human.
Ain’t over yet.
bonkers @ 102
thank you!!
the usual suspects voted the usual way (cept for feinstein – that was a shocker)
TexB @ 122
excellent! and on topic, too! ;-)
LoudounLib @ 126
We do aim to please ya know!
Didn’t I read that Webb voted yes?
noen @ 111
It doesn’t matter in my mind, should have been not only a no but a HELL NO vote. I know I am pissed off about this crap but what the hell good did it do to elect so called good democrats when nothing is changing. End of rant….
DrDick @ 120
Just put it on DB’s extensive tab!!! *g*
both laptop battery and body beginning to fall down a bit. gonna call it a night shortly
My old doggie used to sit on my tummy when I had a migraine. She never did that otherwise. So comforting. When I took her to visit a relative in a nursing home, she got up and lay down on his tummy too. He loved it.
thanks for the snacks, tex – go recharge your batteries (and your body) and get some rest.
noen @ 111
Don’t know, but Obama actually has a fairly good voting record, so pretty likely he would’ve voted “no” on his own. On the other hand, Clinton (and Schumer) were the only Dems to side with the Rupubes and the handful of “Dems” that always crossover on a recent big vote (don’t have time to find link), so you never can tell with her.
TexB, thanks for your stellar work at YKos and for keeping us up-to-date.
SeamusD @ 118
The agreement was that 60 votes were needed for approval. So if you wait for those votes to go through you can then safely vote no. This give you the appearance of a backbone when actually there is none.
LoudounLib @ 100
As requested.
TexB @ 131
Pleasant Dreams, Ma’am!!!
Careful. The republicans might call a special session of congress to stop Oscar from going on his appointed rounds. They don’t understand that Oscar is doing Jesus’ work.
And now I go to the sub-net and wish you all well, I just finished watching “The Constant Gardener” and cried again, never have so many given up some much for the enrichment of so few. So see you all in the camps.
TexB, the snacks, the pics, the liveblogging-thanks for everything!
LoudounLib @ 128
I heard his yes.. thank Gawd I didn’t give him a donation last year!
Actually her vote is not a shock to those of us who are her constituents. I didn’t vote for her in November, hope those dems who did are proud of themselves.
/delurk
Hi y’all and good evening.
ISTR from the Pelosi/Reid press thing today that Pelosi said something to the effect of “no freakin way” to the idea that they would let Gonzales be part of the FISA oversight… Am I misremembering that, or did she say that, and if so is that something I should try to take comfort in (as I so desperately want to) or is that prolly gonna turn out to be just tough talk that gets blown off?
LoudounLib @ 128
yes – that was a shocker as well
thanks burns! ;-)
AUMF all over again.
The Republicans can proudly say that this was a bi-partisan bill.
The Democrats have forked over our precious civil liberties to George W. Bush’s corrupt and venal consigliere.
Not only does Gonzales not get punished for his malfeasance, he is given MORE authority over our private lives.
-GSD
g’nite argo
LoudounLib @ 128
Yes, he did – what happened?
Night all, if anyone figures out how/where i can share the mp3 interviews, let me know on facebook. see ya tomorrow
yes, Pelosi said, “no freaking way” to Abu…
Terrapin @ 144
Welcome to the Lake – nice delurk – and I think your memory is correct.
ES and EP, thanks — I am really shocked about Webb.
McCaskill also voted to please the boy-king. Jury’s still out on her…
tbsa @ 143
I always vote for any non republican running against her. *grumble*
We have three kitties, one is mine, one was inherited from a former room mate and my husband brought one when he moved in. Our kitties are spoiled, we treat them like our children and the best part is that I will never have to put our cats through university. Their two-legged sister got all the tuition money.
argosfalcon @ 140
Nite, O’Pessimistic One!!!
Brings to mind the lyrics from an old David Crosby song:
It seems my newly elected Senator Klobuchar has failed the smell test. To steal a quote, “I’d like to ride right over…and give her a piece of my mind.”
I lived in SF when Mosconi and Milk were killed. DiFi did a great job that day. Is that why the citizens of SF continue to support her? Or do they?
GSD @ 103
as my hero, Bugs Bunny, put it: “Oooooo………I’m DYING….”
bonkers @ 134
clinton & schumer both voted no
GSD @ 103
From the analysis of the Senate bill over at DKos, Bush didn’t get much (overseas spying, not domestic), and he only got it for six months as a stopgap. I still think they should have called Bush’s bluff, but just a cursory glance at how the press is spinning this (even NPR was essentially saying evil Dems who opposed Bush want Osama to win!) might show a major reason why they didn’y.
tbsa @ 129
In the end, Bush once again established who’s boss. He told Congress to “jump and do it right now.” They coldn’t get their feet of the ground fast enough. He said that’s not high enough, and they jumped higher. “Now who’s your daddy?”
Unbelievable servitude. Where is their self respect. Do they want him to change their diapers or something. This nonsense is almost kinky.
marymccurnin @ 159
Exactly why, and I voted for her several times with great trepidation.
burnspbesq @ 137
Yum!
tbsa @ 129
I agree. It isn’t the particular Dems that are the problem. It’s the entire system of corporate sponsorship of campaigns. Most of the Dems in office are really quite conservative and very very wealthy. They live in a bubble just like Bush does. They are also beholden to private PACs that hold enormous influence over them. Even though they claim otherwise.
That is what needs to change. I’d like to start with revoking the insane notion of corporate personhood, but that’s just me.
LoudounLib @ 146
Nats win their fourth in a row. LL does Snoopy dance in the middle of the street in downtown Leesburg. Miraculously escapes being run over by maroon Hummer covered with Skins bumper stickers.
I am continually confused and appalled by the dems. WTF are they thinking? Could someone please explain it to me. All day I had a hard time figuring out what was going on.
Night, Tex. Sleep well and enjoy Chicago.
On the night that we find out Gonzales overstepped the law in the Rep. Jefferson office raid, the weak and feckless wing of the Democrats decide that Gonzales should be rewarded with expanded authority.
Keep your eyes on 2008 suckers.
-GSD
marymccurnin @ 159
They must because she continues to get re-elected. Starting to think the repukes that have infested my part of the state vote for her.
marymccurnin @ 159
I don’t live IN SF but south of there – in my last rant to DiFi, I informed her that she would never again get my vote. Am sick of her snuggling with Holy Joe and other Repugs. No More !
wigwam @ 163
You should copy these comments, print ‘em out, and fax them to Reid’s office.
argosfalcon @ 140
Pretty unlikely. My very existence would be a crime punishable by death if the Dominionists have their way.
I can’t believe that McCaskill and Webb (my senator) voted yes to more power to the completely discredited Gonzales. I just don’t get it.
Phoenix Woman @ 162
If they are counting on a veto, they are playing a mighty dangerous game.
burnspbesq @ 167
there’s that domestic spying again! ;-)
tbsa @ 143
sorry to hear that – (i’m an ex santa cruzian), there is much about her i like (good work on the sjc).
on the other hand – in a similar fashion im in ny now & refrained from voting for hillary last year
GSD @ 170
The magic words: “Six month time limit”.
AGAG won’t be around in six months, I reckon.
Dana, I feel your pain — I’m in VA too.
Phoenix Woman,
So I am sure that the same assholes that steamrolled the constitution tonight will be more likely to vote against a “terrorist bill” a few months before an election.
The horse is out of the barn…..that sunset will never come.
The point is that the Democrats were given a mandate to stand up to Bush and they never, NEVER do.
-GSD
Dana @ 175
I’m furious Inouye voted for it! His Office shall feel the brunt of it!!!
marymccurnin @ 168
Mary, It really must be fear, there is no other reason for such cowardly dismissal of our constitution.
Bad intel, and abusive use of it, is why we are in much of the trouble we are today. It’s all wrong and has been for a very long time, imo.
The secrets and the wasted treasure are just not worth it… will be the end of us as much as the vast military industrial complex, imo.
Twain @ 149
this HURTS. I believed in Jim Webb. : (
LoudounLib @ 177
Hacked into the Chevy Chase Bank ATM security camera network. Wave to the Firepups, LL.
Thanks Suzanne et al. Well, I am going to fervently hope that the House holds some sort of line.
I watched that business most of the day, and got some Schadenfreudy jollies out of seeing two-year-old-tantrum behavior out of so many people, but that only goes so far. (And then the Senate bummed me out again.)
Phoenix Woman @ 179
six months my ass – they will find a reason to cave and extend it and cave and extend it and cave some more and make it permanent.
caliph garrett @ 41
speechless.
Mad Dogs @ 158
you’re dating yourself & im LOVIN’ it :)
Educated Plaintiff @ 178
What’s Feinstein’s overall record like? I generally hear most say she’s a liberal, but then I see some people who say she’s Hitler in a skirt. Is she somewhere in the middle?
Heroes of Democracy (or at least, skillful vote-counters): Dodd, Biden, Akaka, Durbin, Obama, Cardin, Kennedy, Levin, Stabenow, Baucus, Tester, Reid, Lautenberg, Menendez, Bingamon, Clinton, Schumer, Brown, Wydon, Reed, Whitehouse, Leahy, Sanders, Cantwell, Byrd, Bockefeller, Feingold, Kohl.
Disappointments (was going to call them “traitors,” but that would be unfair, at least in cases such as Inouye and Webb):
Lincoln, Pryor, Feinstein, Salazar, Carper, Bill Nelson, Inouye, Bayh, Landrieu, Mikulski, Klobuchar, McCaskill, Ben Nelson, Conrad, Webb.
Special Seventh Circle of Hell reserved for:
LIEberman (CfL-Conn.)–THE SIXTIETH VOTE
marymccurnin @ 168
It is hard for me at times like this (and there have been several) to step back and have a calmer view. My emotional response is to buy stock in aluminum foil and make hats. Later on I usually feel there are other ways to look at it but for right now I’m on the set of “Signs” tinfoil hat firmly in place.
;)
burnspbesq @ 185
good thing I have my best blogging PJs on tonight ;-) Hi y’all!
CTuttle @ 182
If just one of these asshole had voted no it would have gone down. Did anyone watch this travesty to see if there was a dem who changed their vote to make sure it passed?
Margot @ 132
(((((((margot’s doggie))))))))))
I hate to go all tinfoil hat on this, but honestly, every time Dems cave on something like this the only explanation that makes sense to me is that Cheney has blackmail material on each and every one of them, or at least enough to get what he wants. Blackmail and fixed voting machines, who needs a bloody coup when a shadow coup will do. What is the point of having warrantless wiretapping if you don’t bother gathering dirt on your political enemies? Does anyone doubt that Cheney would use it if he had it?
LoudounLib, I know you’re in VA too. Do you get it? Why would the tough-in-Bush’s-face-Webb vote “yes”?? And it’s the Freakin Rethug amendment that passes?? Why isn’t the whole minority party in the basement with the mikes turned off? Why isn’t Gonzo there with Meirs and Jennings and the little stupid girls, Taylor and Goodling-a-ding?
Gonzales stays AND gets expanded power. If there’s a plan here, it looks like “give up.”
If I was sick my 2 cats would not leave either of my sides. When I began feeling better, one of them would examine my face very closely. If I passed muster, she would leave. This happened
every time I was sick.
All the fuss over this vote is totally wasted. The votes in Congress are just theater. Bush and Co. will do what they damn well want to anyway and the invertebrate Dems will cave on cue.
Phoenix Woman @ 190
I am a lifelong democrat and will vote for any dem running against her. Her husband is also a war profiteer. Any questions?
Fern – If you see this.. I have been trying to get this video link to you for days.
in reply to a Lieber/fundie question you posed..
Dana, I have no idea — and as I said, I’m shocked. Sure hope Webb isn’t in give-up mode; just can’t believe that he would be.
noen @ 192
pass me the box o’ foil pleeze
GSD @ 181
Actually, they stood up to him on the ethics reform and earmarks and lobbying bills earlier this week. And they forced him to eat the minimum wage increase. We never notice it when they do things we like. ;-)
That being said, they should have called his bluff. But I suspect that too many of them saw the Bizarro World media coverage (NPR’s was particularly bad — you can tell Bush really stacked the CPB with partisan GOPers) and figured they’d lose the war of public opinion. (Look at how the press is covering the House GOPers’ temper tantrums. Instead of treating it as a joke, the way they did the sleepover, they think it’s just peachy that the Republicans are standing up to those awful pushy Democrats.)
Educated Plaintiff @ 161
I know. I was referencing a vote from a few weeks ago, where they were the only two outside of Ben Nelson, Landrieu, etc, to side with the Repubes. Because of that, it makes me think Clinton/Schumer just waited to get a sense of the vote totals first, and then voted in a way that helps their “liberal scorecard” without pissing off their masters, since they knew it was going to pass no matter what they voted.
Eureka Springs @ 201
Yes, I’m here and I thank you. Off to take a look.
Phoenix Woman,
“Six month time limit” is about as meaningful as John Roberts and Sam Alito saying they will honor stare decisis.
It is something that is said now and discarded later.
-GSD
Marretta @ 196
Don’t feel alone, I asked the same question earlier.
tbsa @ 208
I’ve certainly wondered the same thing myself. It’s just too weird sometimes.
I saw Oscar today on the porch of the White House.
Educated Plaintiff @ 203
Dang, as much as I try to point out scientific data refuting the Tinfoil notions, ya’ll revert to it??? *g*
tbsa @ 200
Yeah. What do you mean by “war profiteer” and besides him, why exactly did you vote against her? What has she done or not done?
I’m honestly curious, as this is the sort of thing our illustrious news media doesn’t cover. (Then again, our illustrious press acts like Hillary’s a liberal.)
Woohoo, Just popped into SL to visit YKSL and the first thing I heard was an audio stream mentioning Firedoglake!
tbsa @ 143
I’ll second that. Feinstein has always been a closet Repug. I can’t understand how she keeps getting elected, except that she talks a good liberal game, but she can be counted on not to make waves, or jeopardize her multi-billionaire husbands defense contracts.
Phoenix Woman @ 190
Very DLC conservative…when chit hits the fan. Her husband, Dick Blum, is a very powerful money man. In the eighties he wouldn’t even consider investing your money unless you were worth a minimum of a 100 million.
Dana @ 175
These fools are voting away OUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY.
“Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” Benjamin Franklin
Toby Martin @ 210
Was he purring?
OMG, my Senator, Klobuchar, voted yes. I am very disturbed.
Terrapin @ 213
Is it archived on USStream?
Marretta @ 196
I think that he would but I don’t know that he does. If you really want to go all tinfoily then it would be GHW Bush who holds all the cards, erm video tapes. Or even better, it would be the shape shifting reptillians. Or the Illuminati. Or the Greys in league with the Secret Government. Or…
The GOP noise machine is still very powerful too. We political wonks are tuned into this stuff. Most people are not and could not care less. They will only notice when it impacts their lives directly. The threat to trash Dems in the media would be quite a credible threat I think. Combine that with “it’s only for 6 months” and “it’s limited in scope” and that’s pretty hard to fight.
Yeah, and I saw a photoshop of Oscar sitting on Gonzo’s desk earlier this week, but Gonzo is still kicking. Sadly, even Oscar has his limits. Maybe he only works on honest to goodness human beings.
Well, now we know why Speaker Pelosi and Sen. Reid won’t be showing up at the YearlyKos.
-GSD
Marretta @ 196
Perhaps…Or perhaps it’s just their corporate backers whispering of their place in the Nu-Perfect World Order in their all-too-willing ears. Same result.
There are no more leaders, only followers of an arcane ideology that uses power and money as a lingua franca.
They will go where the people lead, until their masters jerk their velvet leashes…Placatory yapping for the benefit of the home viewers, followed by obsequious obedience to those whom they owe their place to.
Marretta @ 221
It is notoriously difficult to kill the undead.
It sounded to me like Bush was saying if I don’t get my way I will commit an act of terror on this country.
“There is no form of government but what may be a blessing if well administered, and I believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other.”
-Benjamin Franklin at the Constitutional Convention, 1787
CTuttle @ 219
Mm, turns out to just be an audio mantage- right now it is a mash-up of Billo quotes, ew)
I’m told that YKSL attendance has been good today!
Phoenix Woman @ 212
She is Liarman lite a little too often. She votes with the republics to revoke and or suspend the constitution in critical times. If she had voted NO today, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. I can guarantee you her constituents do not support that vote.
Eureka Springs — thanks. (tried to quote but the servers hung up) That tells me a little bit more I didn’t know earlier.
Phoenix Woman @ 204
Bush doesn’t care about that kind of stuff. He cares about his war on terra and his war in Iraq, period. In other words, his legacy. Everything else bores the shit out of him. That’s why Cheney has so much power, Bush doesn’t like to govern.
Oh, how we need some of those founding fathers right about now.
bonkers @ 205
hmmmm – i’m in ny & i can see hillary doing that – but not schumer
CTuttle @ 211
NO.
For me, talking about it helps me to work it out. So when I said what I did it is my way of talking myself out of these ideas and not letting them take root.
Not sure I explained that so well…
My brother was telling me tonight that the Democrats would cave in.
They caved in to Mr. 26% and his truth challenged stooge.
Justice Scalia, Justice Thomas, Justice Roberts, Justice Alito, the AUMF, the Patriot Act, Alberto Gonzales.
That is one hell of a rogues gallery that the Democratic Party supported lock stock and barrel.
I mean why not vote for the Jesse Helms’ and Newt Gingrich’s, they are simply more honest about their intentions.
-GSD
noen @ 73
Frankly, I’m scared, genuinely scared. I won’t last long in the “New Handmaids Tale”.
noen @ 73
Just recently reread “A Wrinkle in Time.” I was in junior high the first time I read it. Thought it was a good book and all. Reading it as an adult chilled me. Brrrrr.
LoudounLib @ 153
Hi all. Obviously I don’t sleep through the night and it’s a testament to where my life is that when i wake up I visit the Lake :) I’m either pathetic or committed…or both.
Yeah, I heard Webb’s yea vote. Remember, he’s a former Republican Secretary of the Navy. He switched parties to make a statement about this administration’s lawlessness, I believe. Don’t expect him to be anything but to the right of where most of us are. To him this is something that is only temporary and I think he might be looking at it as a form of defusing conservative criticism of him in Va.
As far as all the arguments that were made that Bush said he’d veto anything he didn’t like or he’d keep congress in session until he got what he wanted I’ve only got a couple of things to say.
First…go fuck yourself very much, and
Second….send him the legislation and let him do his job. At least the Congress would have done its job instead of using his threat to throw up their hands and cave.
WTF?? Just because Bush threatens a veto you have to give him what he wants? That’s this guys whole problem in life, everybody gives him what he wants.
I’m getting pretty disgusted with this Congress, both the Dems and Reps. Once again I’ll recommend nice, relevant summer read Allen Drury’s Advise and Consent. Excellent book and it is graphic in how government was when i was a kid, gulldarnit!!!
Nice dive, Suze!! And I don’t blame the Russian judge at all for the infatuation with the Bulgarian judge. I’ve been in both countries and i fell in love every time I turned around.
Now I’ll relax and hmmm….read?
CTuttle @ 211
shows how desparate & fed up we are with our party doesnt it
RonD @ 226
He was certainly a man amongst men! Too bad he was such the Ladies man, amongst the Ladies!!! ;-)
Ah Pook Is Here
William S. Burroughs
CTuttle @ 238
Oh, I don’t know. The ladies didn’t seem to mind. He was very popular in the Paris salons when he was ambassador there.
Phoenix Woman @ 230
She seems to never have a solid challenger for one thing and I am sure to a large degree its money related considering her resources. It’s really sad considering what San Francisco could offer.
noen @ 233
I was only teasing ! Not rebutting the argument! *g*
Fern @ 206
Yikes. I used to know people like that so it was an odd little piece of time travel. And Lieberman – the level of cynicism that leads him to associate with that lot is breathtaking.
someone should send this thread to feinstein & harry reid
DrDick @ 240
I agree! His amour was paramour in Paree!!!
Educated Plaintiff @ 244
I can assure you that Feinstein wouldn’t give a rip. I should post some of the outrageous replies I have received from her regarding the war and her votes.
Educated Plaintiff @ 244
along with every other fucker that caved in – fucking spineless gutless wusses (/rant)
SeamusD @ 229
In Tucker Carlson’s piece on Bush for the September 1999 maiden issue of the late Talk magazine (the one where he quotes Bush mocking Karla Faye Tucker: “Please don’t kill me!”), he noted that very thing: Bush doesn’t like to govern, but at the same time is defensive about it. (In fact, Carlson’s unspoken horror at the idea that Bush was going to be the Republican nominee is palpable through the entire piece.)
What was interesting about that issue of Talk was that there were two cover stories: The interview by Gail Sheehy of Hillary Clinton, and the Tucker Carlson piece on Bush, the first major piece on him for the 2000 campaign season.
The Clinton piece was immediately picked apart and lied about by the Usual Media Suspects. I’m not a Hillary fan, but I favor nailing her for stuff she’s actually done, not for words put in her mouth.
The Bush piece, by comparison, was all but ignored. The first people to write about it were Tamara Baker for the American Politics Journal website and George Will of Newsweek — and these pieces came nearly two weeks after the mag first hit the Web and the stands, by which time dozens of pieces dissecting the Sheehy interview of Hillary had been published.
It was then that I knew that the media fix was in.
tbsa @ 246
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Her letters always say that she is “disturbed” about whatever. Who cares – I want her to be angry.
Northwest Gal @ 235
I remember reading that in school too. I especially remember how one of the characters pulls out an aspirin for someone with a fever. I think I’ve got that right. She is discovered and tried as a witch. Not that different from today. No teacher would dare give a student an aspirin these days.
Educated Plaintiff @ 244
Everyone needs to email/write/call Feinstein and Reid, as well as their own congressional delegation, and tell them that from now on when Dubya asks for something, anything, the answer is not just, “No,” but “HELL NO!!” They were elected to do the people’s will and it is about time they did it.
ack – i need to get to sleep – we have the democrats caucus in my town tomorrow all day. hopefully that will show more democrat spine then the “professionals”.
nite all
Night, EP.
DrDick @ 251
One would think they’d know how to do it, it’s what Shrub tells them daily!!! *g*
Twain @ 249
I want her to vote like she is representing her constituents, or 70% of the fucking country for that matter. Her only concern is making sure the war goes on in order for her husband to continue with those defense contracts.
CTuttle @ 242
Ok, my bad.
Well then… my bets are on our shape-shifting Reptillian overlords. heh
Phoenix Woman @ 248
I didn’t want that comment to end. When is your book coming out? *s*
I’m out, too…good night all!
‘Night, EP!
Wow — we’re already well over two hundred comments here. Glad I have a Late Late Nite thread cued up!
When will Bush be a lame duck, after the 08 elections? Will the Democrats say “no” to him after he’s out of office, you think?
There is no reason, none, for Webb to have voted yes to this bill. He doesn’t give a rip what conservatives or the WH thinks any other time he spouts off.
Night, LL!
Night EP.
Dana @ 260
I honestly do not think he plans on leaving office.
Night LL.
Eureka Springs @ 257
Heh! Yeah, yeah, I talk too much. :0)
I’ll go away quietly now… sulk sulk sulk
I was serious, PW.
I agree with Eureka Springs! You need to do a book. ^_^
i fear all is lost – dems CAVE AGAIN!! america is falling by the wayside….. sooo sad sad sad – goodnight to the america that once was :o(
noen @ 39
Have we gone down the tube? Ich bein ein jihadist!
The dems are spineless…The idea that they gave bush a pass AFTER he was thrown down by a FISA judge is mind numbing. This asshole is under 25% and he pushes them around like he has the confidence of the American People. We are through the looking glass. Just when I thought I couldn’t be more disgusted…after bush made his ‘too late’ statement following the bridge collapse and then IMMEADIATELY launched into a blame the dems snark…noone calls him on it. Then this where discretion goes to gonzo…We are doomed.
16 Democratic Senators voting for the Bush plan:
Feinstein- Cal.
Lincoln- Ark.
Pryor- Ark.
Salazar- Col.
Carper- Del.
Nelson- Fla.
Inouye- Hi.
Bayh- Indiana
Landrieu- La.
Mikulski- Maryland
Klobuchar- Mn.
McCaskill- Mo.
Nelson- Ne.
Conrad- Nd.
Casey- Penn.
Webb- Va.
andurban pirate @ 61
WTF is going on here? Are they seriously going to give additional power to DOJ/AGAG at the same time they are threatening perjury/obstruction?
I simply don’t get how little the dems are able to accomplish and/or negotiate. Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.
I totally agree with you…I am now wordless at what we are witnessing.
Liss/DreamingCrow @ 267
Yup. You got good stuff there.
DrDick @ 251
He who pays the piper calls the tune. With that in mind, Congress needs to establish who’s boss.
Bush has taken every step I can think of (and then some more) to lay the groundwork for a presidential coup. Were he to try it, a lot of colonels will have to decide which side to take. If no other branch government has shown any spine, if Congress consists of presidential poodles, there will be no hope of stopping him.
We live in “interesting times.”
Depending on what happens the next few weeks, you might want to channel your frustration into positive action by watching this space:
http://www.cindyforcongress.org/
ok, I can’t sleep just yet — myshadow @270: Mikulski too?! holy s***
Breaking News:
The Democrats have sent a sternly worded letter to Al Qa*da telling Bin Laden to knock it off.
-GSD
bonkers @ 273
I’m afraid I’ll never be able to see her as anything other than a complete circus. Whether or not she is sincere is besides the point.
PW, do you have any thoughts why Klobuchar voted yes? This is depressing.
Phoenix Woman @ 259
Queued? What’s the comment limit anyway?
God, blogs are turning into usenet newsgroups. All ya need now is good threading…
tbsa @ 263
Before tonight I would have said no way. No possible way could that happen. Now I am not so sure. But really, what he would need in order to do that is another attack on US soil bigger than 9-11. I’m not convinced. What tonight was about was CYA.
ironranger @ 277
Actually, I have to say that I am shocked (delighted, but shocked), that my senior senator, Max Baucus, didn’t vote for it as well. He has a long history of being LieberLite. Nice that he showed some principals and spine for a change.
For me as well. Good night all-the best of all possible tomorrows to you. And you. And you too.
GSD @ 275
Addressed to his handler at the CIA. He is after all, still an asset.
ironranger @ 277
I’m from Minnesota too and am equally appalled. I thought Amy had more sense than that.
Night RonD.
noen @ 282
Dr Hillhouse is of the opinion that he is in US custody (and has been for years) in a secret black op site.
C’mon look at Webb’s background! How can you really be surprised? He used to be a Republican, law & order, Reaganite, etc. You can see him as anything you wish him to be but he cannot change his spots. He will always vote in favor of “National Security”, cue swelling patriotic music…
Nite, Ron!!!
Suzanne @ 285
While I wouldn’t put it past this crew, I should think there’s been ample reason to trot him out by now. So I don’t think they do. Wouldn’t be for lack of trying, though.
Phoenix Woman @ 212
1) SF Chron is pretty mainstream.
2) Of Richard Blum, War, And Money
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/arti…..U18813.DTL
Apparently, in Terry Pratchett’s Discworld, cats can see death, who wanders in and out of the stories. From this wiki entry:
Looks like someone has been picking off aides to Ayatollah Sistani.
Smells like democracy to me.
-GSD
tbsa @ 255
He (Richard Blum) doesn’t have them anymore. When it came out a while back that she was on a committee that approved contracts for his companies, he sold the interests he had, and Feinstein either recused herself or left the committee.
But they made a hell of a lot of money before their cosy little arrangement was uncovered. They recently bought a $16 million home in Pacific Heights, a very exclusive area west of the Golden Gate bridge.
Suzanne @ 285
True! How does she fictionalize it Suze? I haven’t had access to her book yet!!!
nonplussed @ 286
Oh we knew all about his background, but he made quite the splash during his campaign and had us thinking he had changed those spots. And my union (IAFF) was totally behind him, too. Color me (and us) naive…
Look, all Bush and Rove have to do is kick in the ‘Democrats are soft on terror’ chants and the Democrats will be offering up our childrens nuts in a vice, a la’ John Yoo.
It works over and over and over.
We have met the enemy…
-GSD
Woah, General JC Christian hisself just popped up at the YKSL afterparty!! Surreal…
ct, ya gotta read that book -go order it :) she casually tosses it out there as a well known fact to the private companies doing intelligence work.
Well, all this heat and smoke has given me a headache, so I think I will go to bed. Weather people all say it is supposed to cool off tomorrow and for the next week and that the smoke should clear out as well. I will believe it when I see it, but it does give hope. Take care and enjoy the snark.
g’night DrD, I won’t be too far behind you. Sleep well.
Well noen, Amy will be getting a call from me & whoever else I can round up.
I had the thought that junior is the dark side Oscar. Whenever he comes out raving about an iniative like NCLB, almost always it seems to be the kiss of death.
PB @ 276
A pretty good case could be made that her ACTIONS played a pivotal role in the Democratic Wave in the ‘06 elections. Within a few weeks of Cindy and her friend taking a bus to protest outside of Shrub’s fake ranch, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, took to the streets across the country to show support for what she was doing. And all from the intense grieving of a mother who lost her son in a fake “war.” Incredible story.
She continues to actually DO SOMETHING to this day, including getting private meetings with people like John Conyers, and when met with the usual, “you little people just don’t understand how Washington works,” she says, “fine, I’ll take your place.” All because her son died in an unecessary invasion. Amazing.
The Noize Machine has gone to great lengths to sully this patriot’s actions, and has had success even influencing fellow “liberals.” I wonder if that’s why you call her a “circus.”
By the way, what have you done to stop the madness?
Jonathan Turley on the FISA fix:
http://www.democraticundergrou…..#215;45270
Come on and get bovine upstairs.
Scared to death of death
and
bodhicattva
are wonderful. Of
Catori
… I think it is best to say nothing.
DrDick @ 298
Long term forecasts are not good. I foresee more heat and more smoke for a long time.
Suzanne @ 297
I was just peeling some spuds for supper, ah, I’m awaiting my local library’s possession!!!
GSD @ 291
Sounds like Muqtada is finally making his move.
noen @ 283
I think going after Pelosi is the wrong approach. We need more people. Pelosi, for all the ire she’s drawn is not nearly the problem as the WINO’s and DINO’s. Have her pick one of those out and go after their seat, and I’ll listen.
I really don’t watch any media or TV, I mostly get my news off the Internet. I’ve never been particularly impressed by any of her commentary, including the diary she kept for a while. I do respect that she takes direct action, even if I think it is ultimately futile or counterproductive.
Anyway, I think the cows are coming home upstairs.
wigwam @ 307
I don’t know about that. It could be any number of actors. There is lots of intrigue and it is anyones guess….including yours.
-GSD
We unleashed the dogs of war, and they aren’t “over there.” They’re here, too.
TexB @ 78
I wanna know what Emptywheel looks like in a bathing suit…
This cat is awesome.
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