At YKos, this morning’s Libby Trial Panel was a special treat, much like last year’s Plame Panel that Jane organized. Today’s panel was chaired by Jeralyn Merritt and included our Christy and the inimitable Marcy (emptywheel) as well as Sheldon (Shelly) Snook. Snook is the Federal District Court media coordinator who made all the media arrangements that allowed the bloggers to cover the Libby trial. And of course, in the audience to add their own behind the scenes stories were Jane, who led and organized Firedoglakes’s live-blogging effort, Pachacutec (who blogged jury selection) and egregious (who was in court helping behind the scenes). The large audience, many of whom came to Firedoglake because of the Plame story, were kept enthralled by the stories. and cheered the panelists when introduced and when they were done. This is what many of us came for.
We got special insights from Jeralyn for the defense tactics, Christy for the prosecution, and Marcy for the experience of blogging the trial in real time These three pioneers of the new journalism related stories about encounters with the trial lawyers — Wells didn’t do his best crying act — and the Libby partisans — Mrs. Libby apparently has mesmerizing hair — as well as the clashes of attorney styles and ego.
Christy and Marcy also focused on the relationship with members of the mainstream media, and what it was like to win recognition and grudging respect from the reporters who came to understand that their future was sitting next to them, filing in the background they didn’t know, explaining the relevance of arguments they couldn’t quite follow because they hadn’t done the homework the bloggers had done. The bloggers had read the filings and cross checked them against known facts (like the book Marcy wrote).
It must have been a nervous moment for some old-line reporters, watching this group of unknown bloggers who they previously thought of only as DFH, high on snark, and then watch them beat the pants off the dozens of regular reporters. What must they have thought as they realized here was a group of highly intelligent, incredibly well informed and diligent Americans digging into every detail, reading the pleadings, doing their jobs in ways they no longer understood. Who were these people, blogging the trial not just with Q&A summaries but instant analysis, context, meaning, and commentatry filled with insights and relevance — and a picture.
And I suspect the reporters had a sense that these irreverent bloggers were on to them. As Marcy noted today, the bloggers knew what none in the MSM every admitted, that the Libby trial was just as much about the media’s complicity and its seduction by the favors of privileged access as it was the lies and obstruction of Scooter Libby and Dick Cheney. And when the verdict came down, it was not just Libby who was found guilty, but some of the best known media personalities as well.
I’m a stong believer that people matter, that individuals can make a huge difference, and this incomparable team of dedicated, brlliant bloggers confirmed that for me. But if you have any doubts, consider the impact of Shelly Snook, an attorney and media coordinator for Judge Walton’s District Court.
It was Shelly Snook, working with Judge Walton, who worked out the unprecedented arrangements that brought this blogging Trojan Horse within the walls, only to find it filled with Jane and Pach, Christy and Jeralyn, and Marcy, who then swarmed into the courtroom and the media center and out across the toobz. It was Snook and Walton who made sure these bloggers were there and had everything they needed to do their jobs. Snook seems like a total professional, a straight shooter, and a guy who would simply explain, as he did today, that he was just doing his job. But I think it was more than that, because you could tell this man understands what his efforts allowed and what these bloggers accomplished.
If Shelly Snook had been someone else, anyone else, live blogging of the Libby trial might never have happened, or might have been severely limited by typical bureaucratic rules that would have handicapped the effort. But the opposite happened, and Shelly and his Judge are a large part of the reason. On today’s panel, Sheldon Snook played it absolutely straight, as one might expect from an unbiased professional, an honest officer of the court. But he must have known that this was not an ordinary trial, and that it required more than ordinary media coverage. And by choosing to do his job the way he did, he made sure that this special coverage happened.
So far, the Libby trial is the only moment of legal accountability we’ve had (or may ever have) regarding the lies that misled a nation and took it to war. That part of the system worked. George Bush commuted Libby’s sentence but he cannot erase the trial and the fact that millions of Americans now know much more about what this White House did, thanks to a small group of people who knew this was important.
I saw a panel of fine Americans today, people who just did their jobs as citizens, and it made all the difference.
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Caw?
PLus I read first!
…caw
And a very special toast to Shelly Snook.
Hi Scarecrow
See, I told you it would go up OK.
See ya later, gotta go hime now if I want to see KO
So did I Fern.
Thank you Shelly Snook and Judge Walton. Big thanks to Jane, Marcy, Christy and everyone else for bringing us live blogging from the Libby trial.
The days that I was able to attend it was oh so apparent that the Libby’s knew that he would never do any time.
Let’s hope this is not the end of holding those responsible for this illegal and immoral war accountable. I don’t think we have seen the end of Phase II of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Hello Senator Rockerfeller!
Downstairs has been invited.
Thank you FDLers you give me some hope…back to mowing fields and weeding the garden.
If it wasn’t for the Lake, Huffington and the like….The blogs MUST be protected–the Net Neutrality regulations must emphasize freedom of accessability. And will someone at Justice/FTC put a lid on Rupert. The FCC is incapable.
Work is keeping me from keeping up with you guys and gals, but I’d like to say I’m both proud of you and thankful for what you’re doing for all of us.
And I suspect the reporters had a sense that these irreverent bloggers were on to them. As Marcy noted today, the bloggers knew what none in the MSM every admitted, that the Libby trials was just as much about the media’s complicity and its seduction by the favors of privileged access as it was the lies and obstruction of Scooter Libby and Dick Cheney. And when the verdict came down, it was not just Libby who was found guilty, but some of the best known media personalities as well.
And that’s how you’ve earned the enmity the Richard Cohen set. Stand tall with Stephen Colbert!
Who of the media was there, and what do you think was their most important awareness after being exposed to “blogger world”?
Second that.
Fern @ 7
Fern, You placed a Lieber question late in a thread yesterday.. In case you missed my reply, I really wanted you to see this video when you have a chance.
Sorry for the brief OT.
Hell yeah! I’ll take my virtual coffee black at tomorrow’s breakfast, and you guys better take lots of pikshas.
If in fact you are correct about the Libby trial being the only moment of legal accountability then one has to come to the conclusion that the system has been so corrupted and so gamed by the powers that be that the Republic is truly finished. If there is no accountability the crimes will continue but will be far worse in the future.
Thanks for beautifully distilling the scene and the significance. Now let’s see if I can use your post to help Ed Schultz realize that impacts of the little Bush-Wurlitzerhead confab he was obsessing on today will be blown away by those of YearlyKos.
And the Lake should thank NYT: I heard about the wonderful coverage you guys were doing on the Libby trial from them. Many of my cohorts in crime have said the same.
What a joyful post, really!
I’m really proud of everybody, and awestruck to be here.
caw-CAW!
Three cheers for Shelly Snook and Judge Walton. HIP HIP HOORAY! HIP HIP HOORAY! HIP HIP HOORAY!
Bluetoe
Did you see the Vince Scully link I posted toward the end of the last thread?
http://www.yale.edu/arthistory…..ypage.html
Bluetoe @ 15
Being the technology challenged person I am, this may sound, well, uninformed is the word I will use: do you guys and other blogs have hard copies of the blogs/articles that you create, for posterity purposes?
Scarecrow, I’m glad you give credit to Judge Walton for overseeing the blogging arrangements. He was impressive throughout the trial, as a judge and as a person- unassuming but very strong.
The FDL team in action was beautiful to see.
(hey, Kathleen, how’s Ohio?)
eCAHNomics @ 20
About him being on to Haussman?
MSM cannot absorb the economic model of blogging–overqualified people with specific knowledge (as opposed to MSM generalists), writing for free for instant dissemination…
Thank you all for the exemplary work, keeping informed has made a huge difference in my life and thinking.
The future looks bright indeed!
Get Tough @ 21
Wish I could answer that for you but I’m fairly new at this new fangled medium myself but am sure someone on this blog can answer your querry. Stick around you’ll be amazed at the people here!
Any juicy anecdotes about the interactions between bloggers & MSM-types you’d like to share?
It changed my life; oh yeah, and it changed the history of The United States of America.
albert fall @ 24
The net-roots inspire fear in many, and hope in so many more!!! 8-)
OH to be in CHI-TOWN on a lovely day – heres to our great legaltistas and all of the other firedogs in attendence C H E E R S!!! I’M THERE IN SPIRIT – but next gathering i’ll be there in person – saving coin now ;>)….
CTuttle @ 29
Yes This is why they will do away with web neutrality
CTuttle @ 29
That’s the good news behind the Billo attack. He wouldn’t attack anything he thinks is not a danger to him.
juslin @ 30
Where will YKos be next year? Why not D.C.
This should get you all in the mood for college football…
Bill O’Reilly insults another website
Well, I’m off to watch “Pepe Le Moko” a French film classic. Have fun and don’t drive like my brother!
How about Indianapolis? Centrally located, and hotels are cheaper…Y’all can crash at my house!
Good evening, everyone. Greeting from YKos in Chicago.
Twisted Martini @ 34
Bill O calling the blogs the KKK and Nazis. He is projecting, again. That’s the Rove play, and his only play, in my book: project your faults on your opponent, and then ridicule your opponent for those faults. Less than stellar character folks take it personally, and actually believe the projections thrust upon them. Rove is not an evil genius–He only retained bits and pieces of his education: psychology 101 and projecting. Obviously, his math is off.
Scarecrow @ 37
Tell us everything!
i will never forget my first “refresh, refresh” moment, when the word “fitzmas” was coined. i have been reading every ounce of the plame fiasco since day one.
i have goosebumps and chills and misty eyes thinking about what “my girls” have accomplished. i am on beyond proud to read you everyday.
and now i am proud of mr. snook, too.
“…my heart soars like a hawk.”
xoxo mom
Richmond @ 31
But of course! It’s too good a thing for corporate America to pass up! Another cash cow to slaughter, and, it’ll squelch the nattering nabobs open dissent! A veritable twofer!!! ;-)
oh man if only DKOS would bring it to the east coast – that’d be most excellent – i’m getting some coverage here and wait for C-SPAN to provide more coverage….thanks scarecrow – keep it coming luv :o)
Get Tough @ 38
The funniest part of this story is that the site did it for hits. Billo’s going to start looking unhinged, even to the uninged part of the spectrum.
Katie Jensen @ 11
Katie — haven’t run into any “media” types yet, though I’ve seen Marcy interviewed a couple of times.
Thanks Scarecrow for setting out the importance of the new blogospere.As one from outside the USA who came to the lake purely becuse of the liveblogging of the Libby trial, and then got totally hooked, I can support your views.
While sometimes the line that the UK is the USA’s closest ally grates, the fact is it’s true, and some of us can’t get away from it. I care about the USA and want it to be beacon in the World.In the hands of the bloggers is the future of the USA and thus the World.
juslin @ 42
CSPan is at YK2 – had no idea.
eCAHNomics @ 43
You mean those guys used this stuff for propoganda and for no other purpose than to make money at the expense of good taste and the truth? Where on Earth would they learn such dirty tactics?
Twisted Martini @ 34
I guess bashing BillO is becoming a professional sport.
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When questioned as to why he put such a politically charged photo on a college football site and if it signals that he’s in fact some left-wing nutjub, MZone founder Yost said, “I’m not Republican or Democrat, I’m Ohio State-Michigan. As is the site. But after seeing Mr. O’Reilly make such an ass out of himself and resort to such hyperbole over a silly picture that, while crude, was making a political statement – whether you agreed or not, we figured we should try to get him to rip us on national TV so maybe he could send some traffic our way as well. We need it a lot more than a site that pulls in over 500,000 visitors a day, that’s for damn sure.”
Upon hearing that the picture on the MZone was nothing more than a whorish drive for hits, O’Reilly lashed out again, saying he refused to let himself or his show be used, as The O’Reilly Factor is a serious news show. He then excused himself to prep for another segment on Lindsay Lohan’s arrest and the upcoming visit by the body language expert.
Chetnolian @ 45
Scarecrow, I second that. The NYT really provided you guys a service by advocating on-line readers to follow your blog for more info about the trial, and I have stayed ever since because of the writing. Keep up the good work!
High Fire Pup Den parents and Libby Trial live bloggers. I hope you’re al anjoying kudos and learning at Ykos!
Thanks for bringing us, over the last few years, a perspective on national events that I cannot get anywhere else and a forum for progressives to share ideas and shape the future.
Keep up the good work forging the national dialogue and wrestling for control of the politclal narrative.
Cheers!
so scarecrow is the convention well-attended? diverse crowd? and how’s the sessions going – question i’ve got questions….
newspaperbrat @ 46
(((NPB))) Awesome news!!! *g*
newspaperbrat @ 39
Hundreds of people here, most of us waiting for the opening evening — keynote by Durbin and Dean a little later. We were all just grabbing a bite to eat — Christy, RebDeb, Kathryn from MA, mommybrain? Barb from Mahablog, Siun; Swopa just came by, but we’ve lost him again.
There was a confusion in the YKos schedule, listing an FDL caucus when there wasn’t’ really one planned, but Christy went to the designated place in the program anyway, in case anyone showed up, and many did. She’s everywhere. Jane was on two earlier panels, one with Pach on the netroots.
Scarecrow @ 44
We {{heart}} Marcy!
Scarecrow @ 53
Where’s Aunt Betsy??? Loo Hoo???
Neil @ 54
Yes, and Jane and Christy — people mob them wherever they go.
To anyone interested in multi-tasking
ustream.tv will show Howard Dean KeyNote at YKC 07 in 15 mins.
(8pmEST/7C). Intro remarks on now.
Elliott @ 18
Exactly how I feel!
Where’s Aunt Betsy??? Loo Hoo???
Probably here, but I haven’t met them yet.
CTuttle @ 52
CT – should have put a question mark in my comment cause I was seeking confirmation CSpan was there as Juslin@42 alluded to. Meanwhile we can all keep our fingers crossed. Oh wait, I’ll head over to CSpan and see what I can find.
great summary, scarecorw!
my earlier post of today
failed to include the erstwhile
sheldon snook — a distiguished
professional — in the panel
photo i selected — so here,
in the middle of my next post,
is one of mr. snook — and jeralyn
merritt of talkleft. . .
[i’ve also offered background and
analysis of the so called “1971
rehnquist memo“. . . it figures
in the mostly-bogus assertion of
immunity by fred fielding, on
behalf of karl rove and scott jennings.]
FDLers should wave at the UStream cam
after the Dean keynote *g*
Frank33 @ 48
Hehe. I think Bill O jumped the shark when he appeared on Colbert. His agent was an idiot to book that appearance.
Hi all,
This is not scarecrow, this is RevDeb trying to tear Scarecrow away from the laptop so he can actually attend this thing that he spent so much money to get to.
see you later . . . . .
the reddhead a real trooper – go girl and to all firedogs in attendance – what can a girl say – y’all ROCK!!!!
We’re heading in to find a seat. See you guys later.
I still get chills thinking back to that live-blog exercise. I lurked through every thread, and it truly was an awesome achievement.
Of course, once again I redundantly state the obvious (why I mostly lurk!), but it must be said.
Scarecrow @ 37
It’s a good thing you got restuffed before the big trip.
*sigh*
sounds like everyone’s having inspired fun.
I like hearing about it.
Petro @ 67
Please de-lurk more often! I see you that you could certainly contribute to our discussions!!! *g*
nolo, I loved the picture of Jerlyn, Christy and Marcy on your site. Christy and her beautiful smile.
albert fall @ 24
Then somebody should hand out to them copies of the Thomas Paine biography cited in the comments on the thread just below this one.
Or maybe give them something to read about Ben Franklin.
Or tell them to read a civics textbook, one of the ones remaining from the “old days” (i.e., my youth!) before the books were wiped clean of all reference to the power of the People to satisfy Margaret Spellings and Lynne Cheney.
They can still read, right?
Thanks, FDL, for demanding accountability and reminding us of our own power, every single day!
All this celebrating of netroots in Chicago. To what purpose? Gratify egos? Advance the ball down the field? Come up with solutions that convince the American people the system is broken? Sounds like a 1960s anti-war demonstration: drugs, sex and rock-and-roll. Sorry.
Jonathan @ 73
Dang, Dood, make some lemonade, once in awhile!!! *g*
Please do not feed the trolls.
Jonathan @ 73
There is hardly a place in the country that you would find LESS ego tripping. These are people who care – why don’t you go and see instead of carping from the sidelines.
KO Time!!!
Jonathan @ 73
That’s right.
Those of us who still cling fast to our dream of a democracy of, by, and for the people, and who love our Constitution should just stay holed up in our individual dwellings, isolated and discouraged.
It’s not like anyone of the founders told us that we must hang together, or surely, we will all hang separately.
Sheesh.
Scarecrow,
Thanks for the post. The questions I could have asked Shelly Snood. I am sure someone will write more about it later. I hope everyone is having a blast!
newspaperbrat @ 75
Hi. I really like your comments. I’m just a skeptic.
Vas Los, lolo! Long time no see…!!!
Jonathan @ 80
You sound much more like a cynic than a skeptic!
nolo @ 61
Hi nolo,
About your poll on your blog on whether to impeach or indict Cheney … I voted for impeachment because if he’s indicted first, Shrub will just pardon or commute or …? before any sentence could come about. If he’s in the process of impeachment, Shrub loses all authority to pardon or commute
Got the dining room filling up on another window. Like the background music. 1500 attendees 148 viewers on upstream.tv.
Anyone know if Howard Dean is on ustream? If so, does anyone have a link?
Jonathan @ 73
What purpose? Love and Feedback!
Feeding egos? Huh?
Maybe, just maybe, there are people there who want to improve what they are doing on their blogs, to make them more useful and purposeful. Maybe they are going to get ideas and contacts. And network(hey, there’s a concept).
And, there is nothing wrong with people standing up and giving a heartfelt cheer for people who are in the trenches doing the work to get the information out to the rest of us who can’t be in the courtrooms or in the hearing chambers and who need to know what is going on. This is important work. Without it, I think we are doomed to be in that philosopher’s cave chained to the wall, only seeing the shadows dancing on the wall in the firelight. I’ve already talked to my SO about going next year. More important than going to the beach, that is for sure.
Toby Wollin @ 87
Anyway!
upstream link http://ustream.tv/channel/year…..ntion-2007
CTuttle @ 81
((((((CT))))))
Jonathan @ 73
This is insulting to the brave folks who showed the courage to fight for peace then. It is also historically incorrect. What is similar is the repression we fight now, originating from a corrupt government.
Twain @ 76
Hi, Twain. I’m not looking for a fight.
eCAHNomics @ 89
gdi another one to add to regex :)
So I guess it’s ok for all the right wing fucknuts to get together at their DC circle jerks, but the all the DHF’s might cause an atmospheric meltdown due to all the hemp clothing, hackeysacks, and patchouli oil.
Right.
Pix from this morning’s panel.
eCAHNomics @ 89
Thank you kindly.
Frank33 @ 91
Frank, I’m with you.
Since I’m at work, I’m limited to a driveby cheer and salutation to the remarkable FDL team of Libby Live Bloggers and the other denizens of Plame House! I wish I could be there with you at YKos! Thanks, Scarecrow, for your account of this glorious session!
Bob in HI
Jonathan @ 73
If you’re holding out some hot gossip, give…
TexBetsy in chicago @ 95
mmm the need for feed.
TexBetsy in chicago @ 95
Fantastic pics — and I love Marcy’s shoes!
Thanks for the pix betsy, keep em coming!
Twisted Martini @ 102
resting the back in the hotel room. will venture back out in a bit.
LoudounLib @ 101
thanks!
TexBetsy in chicago @ 95
Thanks so much.
What hotel are you at? The big printing convention is in Chicago in October, I’ll be walking the same halls at McCormick as you guy.
Twisted Martini @ 106
Hyatt regency mccormick. Reasonably nice, but not set up for this number of us.
Netroots scare the heck out of the GOP and the MSM. And well they should be afraid.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 108
Did y’all see where LooHoo and I love blogged the panel this morning? And then jane’s panel this afternoon?
Hyatt McCormick is nice, but it does get overrun. How many people do you figure are there?
TexBetsy in chicago @ 109
You are pros and we thank you. Have a great time.
TexBetsy in chicago @ 109
sure did! Thanks.
Twisted Martini @ 110
1500
Twisted Martini @ 110
Not enough for them to run out of blankets or be unable to have more than one cashier in the snack bar.
Betsy are you having fun yet????
nolo @ 61
nolo, great post! Very informative. I can’t believe they’re getting away with this crap.
TexBetsy in chicago
how’s the food?
lolo @ 115
yep
So far I have met RevDeb, Teddy SF, Marcy, Christy, Jane, Redshift, Rayne & egregious. And, of course, Loo Hoo. Saw Pach from afar.
YKos breakfast tomorrow morning so we can all meet each other.
TexBetsy in chicago @ 114
It’s fairly common for hotels to run out of housekeeping stuff when they are busy. I’m allergic to feather pillows and always request the polyester kind. 90% of the time when I check in and the hotel is packed, there are no pillows left for me.
Elliott @ 117
Great! But expensive. Everything is twice the price I expect. Of course, I am in a hotel and convention center, but even so.
OK. Giving Loo Hoo her computer back. Bye y’all.
TexBetsy in chicago @ 120
well there’s always the virtual menu!
Markos Moulitsas, Daily Kos Founder being interviewed by Brian Lamb now on CSPAN3.
demi @ 123
oo thanks!
Impact of Blogs coming up on CSPAN3.
I’m gonna have to get a Maxwell street polish to make me feel like i’m in Chicago!
TexBetsy in chicago @ 121
TexB – fabulous pix! Thanks.
Twisted Martini @ 126
does that have chocolate in it?
TexBetsy, get a CTA pass ($9 for 48 hours) and get away from McCormick Place. You can go to a grocery store at Roosevelt and State, not far from where you are, and get stock up a bit. There’s at least one city bus that goes right by where you are and you can get up to the Loop pretty quickly at night.
Please, someone correct me if I’m wrong because I don’t want to mislead out-of-towners.
TexBetsy in chicago @ 109
Good work! ;0)
ooooooooo nice pix texbet
Say hi to everyone Betsy. Hi Loo Hoo!
JebbieTeacher @ 129
Elliott @ 128
No chocolate, but good stuff…
Extra onions please!
triple-tasking: Kos on C-SPAN3, YK2 on another window, commenting here.
ustream is sounding better now – not screeching like before
Twisted Martini @ 135
That’s an impressive sandwich.
demi @ 133
What about the Dominic’s across the street from the Sheraton right across the river?
eCAHNomics @ 136
And this will one day explain the long-lived bright-minded elders we’re to become.
eCAHNomics @ 135
Isn’t Markos a darling? Intelligent and refreshing.
oh myyyy am i multi-tasking? watching c-span and ustream and trying to comment – i think i’m learning sumthin finally lol
I just wanted to say, that it took more than a year to take down Nixon, so if it takes a year to get Gonzales, Cheney and Bush, I can wait.
Sandman @ 143
and you shall not wait in vain.
Also, if there are any meat eaters you have to try a real Chi-town Italian Beef sandwich. There is nothing like them in the world. That deep dish pizza jazz is a very recent invetntion, like 40 years!
eCAHNomics @ 135
If I only had half your brain but did manage a second screen for YK2 – and watching Keith on the little telly. Hope & trust I can catch Markos on a CSPan rerun. Is Brian Lamb interviewing him?
Elliott @ 139
I’m already a bright-minded elder.
newspaperbrat @ 145
Yes.
raven @ 144
Hey, Raven. I used to eat Italian beef sandwiches at Katsinas. Are you short?
I really need to try one of those…
Italian Beef Sandwich? Sounds GREAT!!
wha hoppen? durbin made someone mad or is rove about?
juslin @ 151
revenge of MSM?
juslin @ 151
Ted Stevens must be trying to hide bottles of wine in the toobz.
Pucker up Durbin… Kiss my roots.
KO, I must respectfully disagree, that Mike Stark should be criticized. Stark stood up to a bully who threatened him, in my opinion.
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My last stab at it would be to point out that for 10 years this guy has been one of the most effective propagandists in history and he has never once had to pay a personal price for his mendacity. Never once. Even after the Mackris thing, he didn’t lose a day of work.
So yeah, I’d do it again. It is good for the heart for me to know that one of the most important Bush/Cheney/Rove/War cheerleaders finally paid some small personal price for his disgusting record of amoral deceit.
Now, about that nationwide broadband? *s*
Raven, “What about the Dominic’s across the street from the Sheraton right across the river?”
Dominick’s is great (yummy pecan rolls in the bakery — 2 for $2.49). The Jewel at Roosevelt and State is at the nexus of a bunch of public transportation. You aren’t far from Chinatown (down Cermak). I don’t have a restaurant recommendation there (does anyone else?). I’m so old that I like Miller’s Pub and even the “refurbished” Berghoff’s in the Loop.
We’re in a Dark age. No thoughts. No ideas. If you disagree, tell me the idea that turns you on.
i love KO but i disagree with him on stark – i loved what he did – orally been wiping progs faces in shit for a loong time – go mike!!
john in sacramento @ 83
i hear you — but my view is
that such a pardon will itself
be obstruction of justice.
to each, his, or her, own. . .
thanks for taking the poll!
p e a c e
FYI, new post upstairs
As I have said numerous times before, I don’t like the term bloggers. FDL and all the others have evolved into the media. I don’t particularly want to read an analysis of a trial by someone who is not a lawyer, and at FDL, we have a passel of them. If you were covering a medical subject, no doubt there would be a doctor writing on it (Lord knows, we have enough of em here). The day when someone could be a “pundit” just on the strength of being there is quickly fading. Many reporters (and there are some steller exceptions) have no expertise in the fields they write in. They went to J school, not to law school. Some of them, of course, took the time to learn the fields they were assigned to, but for all the years I worked for a newspaper (not as a reporter) I was impressed by the lack of knowledge that many of the people who sat at desks in the newsroom had. Maybe I “do things to death,” but it appals me that I could stand in a news room, where politics was being reported, and ask “hey, when did World War 1 start?” and get back the answer “why is that important?” It is refreshing….no, it’s more than that, to have a forum to go read when there is a Constitutional crisis, where you can be assured that it will be explained by someone who has the background. That we have more than one person here who can explain what’s going on to those of us who want to know…and in a good deal of detail. I for one enjoy those posts. They are by far and away better than some of the stuff the New York Times or the WaPo does. All of you are very quickly becoming the mainstream. All you lack is the advertising, and that will come, and the people who run the MSM will be stuck with printing presses and empty buildings. Stay true to what you are now, and you will have the advertising.
Jonathan @ 148
Oh man! Katsina’s on football weekends was out of conrtol!
I’m so short I have to stand on a step ladder to kiss an ants ass.
Jonathan @ 148
What about a fish sandwich and a quart of Fallfalt at the DeLuxe?
Terrific post Scarecrow.
I’m only just catching up with this now, but I want to THANK YOU ALL for your continuing efforts.
And Scarecrow, you’re too modest.
Surely appreciate your helping us “be there” in Chicago with the gang that CAN shoot straight ;->
brings a tear to my eye! Good on ALL of us! but most especially Jane, Christy, Marcy, Jeralyn, Pach, Shelley and eg…
YEA!!!!
This is way EPUd, but I just have to chime in with a big “amen” to what Scarecrow said.
Talk about lighting candles in the darkness. So many of us know how much we owe this amazing team — what’s even more amazing is how many Americans don’t even have a clue of this tremendous effort.
Alicia @ 116
we won’t let them.
they will NOT “get away
with this crap” — not on
my watch! no way. nuh-uh.
thanks, and. . .
increase the
p e a c e
Brilliant!
and an HUGE THANK YOU to ALL those that made it possible.
We can only get stonger…!
Yesterday I was slightly miffed at some of the impatience shown by the comments over at C&L, and in my comment, I tried to stress the importance of being patient and (re)building the Democratic Parliment.
This was also what Speaker Pelosi tried to stress in her interview at KOS, when she mentioned building a record of facts.
Also, this is exactly what the Repugs did…Built their strong-hold and majority over a couple of decades.
We must do the same.
We have a long hard struggle it may also take decades but with the strength and support of such a fantastic resource as our internet community, we can do it!
Thank You FDL.