White House thumbs nose at yet another Congressional hearing. H/T to nolo for the find:
. . .Accordingly, we conclude that Mr. Rove is immune from compelled congressional testimony about matters (such as the U. S. Attorney resignations) that arose during his tenure as an immediate presidential adviser and that relate to his official duties in that capacity. Therefore, he is not required to appear in response to the Judiciary Committee subpoena to testify about such matters. . .
As nolo points out, they aren’t relying on any case law precedent to make this claim but, rather, a musty old memo that former Justice Rehnquist penned back in his DOJ days. Um…yeah…that’s some solid ground you found there. doofus.
More on this as I dig it up. In the meantime, the NYObserver has a piece on the Bush White House’s favorite nag:
In truth, the front-running Democratic candidates, all of whom favor a withdrawal of American troops from Iraq, are doing just fine ignoring Mr. Lieberman’s electoral prescription. Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards all generally come out on top of the likely Republican nominees in polls measuring hypothetical match-ups between specific candidates. Moreover, with President Bush’s approval ratings in the toilet—thanks mostly to Iraq—surveys show that voters lopsidedly prefer a generic, unnamed Democrat to an unnamed Republican for President.
In all, Mr. Lieberman’s This Week appearance lasted about 11 minutes, and if anything became clear in that time it’s how decreasingly relevant to the national political debate he’s becoming—a decline that not many foresaw last November, when Connecticut’s voters returned him to the Senate, prompting talk that a new power-broker, coveted equally by both parties, had been born.
Given the Senate’s partisan balance—49 Republicans, 49 Democrats (one still recuperating from a December cerebral hemorrhage), and two tie-breaking independents who caucus with the Democrats—Democrats are still technically at Mr. Lieberman’s mercy, their fragile control of the chamber dependent on his continued willingness to live up to his campaign pledge to side with his old party for organizational purposes.
But it’s now apparent that they need nothing more than that from him. Republicans have labored to portray Mr. Lieberman’s defeat in last year’s Senate primary as evidence that the Democratic Party has been overrun by weak-willed McGoverniks, a contention that Mr. Lieberman sought to reinforce on Sunday.
That game, however, has ceased to work. In years past—2004 and 2002, say—a public association with Mr. Lieberman was helpful to Democrats, a reassurance to a more hawkish electorate that they were as “tough” as the G.O.P.. But in 2007, any association with that stance is a decided political liability—evidenced most startlingly by a recent poll that found that even 58 percent of Republicans in Iowa want a troop withdrawal in the next six months. When, as he did on Sunday, Mr. Lieberman uses a national television interview to dust off old attacks on the Democratic Party’s foreign policy credentials while at the same time actually declaring that “the surge is working,” it only benefits his former party’s standing with the war-wary public.
For once, maybe all the rats will go down together on the sinking ship, eh?



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Zed!!
Jane!!!
CHS !!!
Tillman!
Trifecta!!
Six pick up sticks??????
Any contempt charges for Rove this morning?
close the gate?
It seems to me that every time Bush claims Executive Privilege, it has to be challenged. It’s really the only way to fight this serial abuse of it.
I hope the Sargeant at Arms is hitting the gym.
Rasslin’ that greasy pig is gonna be a workout.
Democratic Congrescritters: Don’t fail us now…
GeorgeSimian @ 7
SJC hearing up on CSPAN3. Contempt charges for Rove? Only my personal ones so far…
‘morning all… coffee is ready!
so, did they ever find Gen. Kensinger to serve his supoena?
and they will continue to become more and more brazen until congress does something about this
they HAVE to arrest these morons
Ustream is still struggling with sound. SJC is up on CPAN3.
Leahy welcomes Scott Jennings and attorney.
I’m with Marie Roget, I’m totally contemptuous of this administration.
EPU’ed:
Welcome to Chicago, Christy & others.
Enjoy your visit, and stay cool.
Hot & muggy expected today, as well as an air quality action day (weather conditions favorable to high ozone & pollution counts; people with respiratory conditions should avoid exertion; citizens should help by avoiding generating hydrocarbon emmissions wherever possible).
A visit to Millenium Park might fit the bill!
[back in a moment to comment on the bridge]
hi from convention center. Christy Marcy here looking great
I just finished reading “I, Claudius.”
We’ve got Caligula for a President. Throw in a little Nero too.
There are too many similiarities for me to list. I chuckled my way through a lot of the book; just swap in the Bush clan for the Caesars.
Leahy saying that Rove has already spoken publicly about the firings.
Pwriz @ 18
Great book. One of my favorites.
Leahy at his snarky best today.
Leahy “Nixonian Stonewalling”
nonplussed @ 15
‘Morning, nonplussed. Pat Leahy doing a barely controlled burn in his opening statement. Please, Pat, something besides only words today (sorry for sounding fed up- oh wait, I am completely fed up w/the no-shows)…
“When, as he did on Sunday, Mr. Lieberman uses a national television interview to dust off old attacks on the Democratic Party’s foreign policy credentials while at the same time actually declaring that “the surge is working,” it only benefits his former party’s standing with the war-wary public.”
Excellent. See, Mr. Lieberman IS helping the Democrats…his former party.
BWAHAHAHAHA
leahy used the expression “nixonian stonewalling”
lol
Leahy talks of the newly minted claim of executive privilege being a sham, thus Jennings is appearing.
President and his counsel has conditioned that whatever the White House provides must be accepted, behind closed doors, no record. No matter what comes out of those meetings must not be followed up.
No one would accept these secret conditions.
Thus information that requires follow has no been declared privilege. How can that be?
Karl Rove spoke publicly in Troy University and somewhere else about the firings. Yet he does not appear when subpoenaed before Congress.
When firing scandel became public, Sarah Taylor his behind WH claim of executive privilege. Today the WH refuses to specify even the documents that are being withheld.
Nixonian Stonewalling: What did the President know and when did he know it?
Today the AG testified under oath that he did not talk to the President about the firings.
White House cannot have it both ways: Can’t say he wasn’t involved and then withhold information on grounds of executive privilege.
A cloud and gathering storm is over the White House. Not just Libby but Rove.
That duty to American people involves telling the truth. Congress will pursue truth, it’s mandated and it’s the right thing to do.
The committee’s oversight needs must be met.
puff, puff…
One client meeting, one hearing, a trip to the drugstore, library and grocery store, and I *still* made it here in time for the hearing…
(catching breath)
OT-
Kucinich grilling Rumsfeld.
Specter up… “we do not want to have to wait for the court to decide if the WH is acting correctly”
spector opening stmnt:
with conclusion of these hearings we (may?/should?) see the end of of AG tenure
perris @ 12
Congress must send the sheriff to rope,hogtie and drag Rove into the senate. Dump his pale, pasty ass into the hot-seat and call that SENATE PRIVILEGE.
I do find some consolation in the fact that after 08 we should be able to tell Joe to go Cheney himself.
Specter – “need to do the FISA update but, candidly, it involves giving the attorney general additional duties and that is difficult to do with this AG”.
spector – “we are really playing a cat & mouse game w/ this congressional oversight”
Spector now giving cover for Abu for being “wily” and saying its not really actually perjury.
The NY Observer article is incorrect. Even if Lieberman decided to caucus with the Republicans, the organizing resolution for the Senate is already in place and to all intents and purposes will remain so until the next Congress in January 2009. The Democrats don’t need him to keep their chairmanships of committees. And with Mitch McConnell filibustering everything in sight and 60 votes to get anything done, Lieberman’s single vote doesn’t mean that much. Lieberman’s high profile in the media is not because of his standing in the Senate. It is an artifact of the MSM’s own rightwing predilections.
STFU Specktor
HAGGIS!
Specter still wants to work an “agreement” with the WH. He would be willing to have testimony “not under oath.” Weasel
Spector giving away the farm – doesn’t need a transcript or an oath for Rove’s testimoney.
sprect – re: a meeting w/ witnesses in future, i would prefer it to be public – thats the way our govt functions
Thank you, Mr. Specter, are you through talking out of your ass now?
Arlen is big-time Republican today.
Spector still thinks they can work things out with the WH.
Wants to finish investigation and see Gonzo gone.
Jennings between rock and a hard place.
Scottish Haggis setting out a negotiating position that he presumably can back down from later: “I’ll give up X, Y, and Z, and talk to the president about A and B… and probably give up them too.’
Specter saying that is they all just sat down with the President, the President will be willing to compromise. Good Dog!!!
GeorgeSimian @ 19
If you can afford it, there is a DVD set, for the twelve episode BBC series, from 1976.
leahy: wh found previously reported missing emails – still wont release them – stonewalling!
Leahy not going to go down the road with Spector.
Leahy says total lack of cooperation.
No behind closed-door sessions.
Specter: When this committee files its report, it may see the end of the Attorney General.
When the AG repeatedly said there was no dissent about he was playing a cat and mouse game with Congressional Oversight.
Perjury has not happened. Cites something which talks about a wily witness who evades the information which this Senate oversight Committee is entitled to.
We need to make the effort to find the way through. Specter is WILLING TO GIVE UP THE OATH. DOES’T HAVE TO BE PUBLIC. WILL GO CLOSED SESSION WITHOUT A TRANSCRIPT.
We can work it out. I think if you and Conyers and I and Durbin were in a room with these witnesses we could find a lot of things out. We need to end the tenure of AG Gonzales. We need to investigate terror and we are not doing it.
Jennings is NOT going to testify because he is between a rock and a hard place.
Leahy: If I thought this was anything but stonewalling I might be willing to work on this.
Specter: We can work it out….
Leahy: emails are being withheld after lying about being erased. They’re still stonewalling. No behind closed door. No follow-up. We are being treated as White House staff and we are not going to tolerate it.
Introduces Jennings.
Washington Post editorial today recommends:
“In Mr. Gonzales’s case, there’s a good alternative to such extreme measures. The senators put their request for a special prosecutor to Solicitor General Paul D. Clement, who is functioning as the acting attorney general on these issues because Mr. Gonzales is recused. Mr. Clement, in turn, has the option of referring the matter to Justice Department Inspector General Glenn A. Fine, an independent watchdog who has not been afraid to take Justice officials to task on overzealous intelligence-gathering, among other things
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02058.html
Fine seems to be someone of integrity, but it’s hard not to be suspicious of the Post, especially when they make this kind of slimy allusion:
“It’s well known what can happen when special prosecutors with unlimited time and money are appointed. Years elapse, tens of millions of tax dollars evaporate, and dozens of people with tangential relationships to the matter at hand are dragged into the investigation at terrible financial and emotional cost. The allegations surrounding Mr. Gonzales’s parsed statements about classified programs and personnel matters are just the kind of muddy circumstances that invite such excesses”
Leahy arguing with Specter’s point – “no cooperation, noy on documents, not on emails – stonewalling!”
Specter, there is no “I” in the constitution, it’s “WE.” And we the people, your employer, demand open accountability, not behind the door, no transcript, free pass bullshit.
GeorgeSimian @ 19
The follow up “Claudius: The God” is also excellent! Both books provide excellent insight on how power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
feingold (off camera), stops leahy from startintg the swearing in to ask him if its been determined rove will definately not show. leahy remains standing & acknowledges rove wont show & that this “will be dealt with in another session”
suggested new response for all republicans being asked if they swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, etc. – ……
“You’re kidding, right?”
Can non DKos attendees call up Sen. Whitehouse’s office and suggest that any privilege over Jennings’ RNC email accounts is utterly bogus?
Still, it’s good to see this nasty little goblin under oath. [He’s 29? Dear me. Yet another of the cabal of fresh-faced operatives, plucked into GOP service straight from the College Republicans. Glib bastard, too.]
Jennings looks like a younger version of Karl Rove.
GeorgeSimian @ 8
Talking point: If you have nothing to hide, why are you hiding behind executive privilege.
Shampoo, rinse, repeat.
Jennings – here’s a fella who likes the sound of his own voice – saying he can’t, under Presidential orders – say anything about the matter at hand.
Answer to own @51: He would produce a report released after the 2008 election.
barbara @ 57
You mean” If the President had nothing to do with this, how can you claim executive privilege?
Specter (aka Janus): Let’s work it out w/the WH- give ‘em what they want (no transcript, no oath, whatever they want) so we can get on w/the business of Congress, which doesn’t include too much oversight & let’s get on to other ‘way more important congressional business.
Leahy’s having none of it.
Jennings sworn in. Judging from appearance, he’s another young, blank-faced minion w/an important title…
OT: Per Title 18 Section 241 (Conspiracy against rights):
I seem to recall that someone gave testimony that put Bush in the room while voter-fraud discussions were under way. (Dan Bartlett?) If so, it would be interesting to know if matters of caging etc. were discussed. Just thinkin.
Another marionette. He’s 29 years old. Another true believer. Another supporter of the worst President in our history. A Rove flunkie. Another Bushie who uses the Constitution for toiletpaper. Another traitor to the country.
Leahy’s first question: RNCmail. Nice start. He’s prepped for the little bugger, and isn’t going to take any shit from him.
Leahy, it’s time to grill and barbecue Jennings. Let him know what you think of the Presidential directive. Screw fairness, fry his arrogant ass.
I’m glad Leahy’s finally bring up documents that have been withheld. Not enough has been made of this, if you ask me. Tony Snow keeps saying that there is no evidence, while the WH withholds all the evidence.
Jennings 29 years old. Another baby. He’s already said F*ck you to Leahy. Jennings is all snarky already. His contempt is palpable.
jennings – playing games w/ 1st question – wouldnt identify if doc was from goodling. leahy pissed – re-asks q. jenn looks at lawyer – then ansers yes – this email from goodling
Thanks Christy….that’s the best news about LIEberman in a long time. I contacted Quinnipiac Polling and asked if they would “pretty please” do another poll on Lieberman. We haven’t had any CT polling on Joe (that I know of) since the 2006 election where he slimed his way to re-election.
Hi all.
Love blogging live from YKos2. Emptywheel and Christy currently on a panel with Jeralyn and Sheldon Snook, who works with the JUDGE from the Libby trial.
Jeralyn introducing all.
Jennings being a smartass, Leahy having none of it. Jennings refused to answer questions about Goodling’s email and Leahy, “I’m not here to play games with you – is this an email between you and Monica or not?”
LOL. He changed his RNCmail address after it got publicised. And now he’ll have to change it again, I presume, now that Leahy got him to testify that it’s now jsj@gwb43.com .
Sheldon Snook will begin first, then the panel will interact. Then audience questions.
Jennings will not say why he has an RNC email. Hre’s not even going down the “We were real worried about breaking the “hatch act” route.
Oh, his first assertion of privilege over why he used RNCmail for internal deliberations. That’s such bullshit, and Leahy is very not impressed.
Jennings has some big bullshit statement refusing to answer the question and Leahy, “well, that’s a new way of taking the 5th!”
Could we see some pictures of the cell in the Capitol building that we can be sure it won’t be any worse the Gitmo for the turd when it is thus incarcerated by congress for inherent contempt? Is there room for the shooter’s doctors to live in the next cell from him?
what else do we have to look forward to. they have ruined and sold america to foreign powers, but is that treason?
Hugh @ 35
Hugh is correct. The Dems can tell Lieberman to take a hike any time they want. They have nothing to lose.
Hugh @ 62
Why do these true believers remind one of the true believers in Germany circa 1930’s
q about his rnc email account (leahey asks the actual addresess>) jen refuses to answer anything having to do w/ atty firings – leahy – “thats a new way of taking the 5th. asks to confir w/ counsel – leahy agrees. quick confer – “senator – i would like to answer this question”
I LIED!! – He just invoked the Hatch Act.
“SENATE PRIVILEGE” – I like that!
Sheldon Snook, administrative asst. to Judge Walton: High profile trials, decide how to handle security, media, etc. Knew there would be a lot of interest because of what they had seen w/ Judy Judy Judy.
Perhaps someone with posting privileges can create separate liveblogs for the SJC and the YKos panels, as long as it won’t overtask the hamsters running the server?
Jennings now saying that RNCmail was ‘a matter of convenience and efficiency’, never mind that it violated the Presidential Records Act.
Jennings is none too bright.
They should just ask the questions to Jennings attorney since he is answering the questions.
GeorgeSimian @ 8
Congressional perogatives are being challenged and now have to be exercised to be preserved — it’s a use ‘em or lose ‘em proposition. LHP’s tutorial on inherent contempt shows how this can and must be done.
OldCoastie @ 86
No kidding – he is WAY over his head here.
“let’s not be too contemptuous of this committee” Leahy
Snook work with media & bloggers for “high profile trials” in DC. Does this for all the judges in that court. Usually they look for credible organizations with letterhead, fixed presence, etc. Other courts do it differently. Libby trial was different. Courtroom seats about 100 people.
This guy is so full of himself. Site him for contempt and watch his smugness turn into sobs and blubbering.
I couldn’t take it anymore. Had to put on cspan.
Leahy “Sounds like the American people are paying you to stonewall”
This guy doesn’t look quite fat and doughy enough to be a a true Bushie – yet. Let’s see if he sweats..
Damn, Leahy was good.
Can someone do a LOLcat of Jennings with ‘I Has A Letter’? Because I think we’ll be hearing this a lot today.
Jennings will be unable at this time to answer questions because to otherwise would violate the President’s order.
Scott is as frustrated, at 29 yo , as are the Senators.
He will answer questions at a later date if the White House permits.
Leahy: Mr Jennings, I believe you could answer questions if you wanted to.
Gives him the copy of a document about an exchange of Jennings and Goodling. email.
Mr. Jennings is this an email exchange between you and Goodling?
Yes sir
GWB.com address questioned. Do you have a GWB address now? Gives another address.
Why do you no longer have another one?
Jennings got junk, spam and hate email so he changed it.
Leahy: How frequently did you use the email address?
J: daily
Leahy: thousands?
J: a little inflated but accurate?
Leahy: Why did you use your RNC email account about Bud Cummins?
J: Can’t according to blah blah blah
Leahy: Sort of a new way to take the fifth, but why did you use it?
J: confers with attroney) I would like to answer this.
Leahy: I thought you would.
J: Needs a lot of technology to work 24/7.
Leahy: Why use RNC account
J:
Leahy: Do you feel this was a violation of the Hatch act. Is that why you used it?
J: No.
Leahy: Were there other occassions in which you used an RNC account to replace US Attorneys?
J: Sir, I used it for that and more.
Leahy: Did you speak with the President about the removal of US Attorneys?
J: executive privilege
Leahy: What role did you have in the selection of US Attorneys?
J: executive privilege
Leahy: Whoa Whoa Whoa Let;s not be too contemptuous of this committee
J: executive privilege
Leahy: Sir it sounds like the American taxpayers are paying you to stonewall
Next up: Specter
re: Bridge
a few comments on the bridge & the ongoing discussion of it here:
1. Death toll reduced to four this morning. A miracle, considering what could have happened.
2. Regarding the question below What do they mean by 50% deficient? My interpretation would be that it’s 50% below current standards for traffic volume & loads. (Not that it had a 50% chance of failing, or that 50% of the bridge was ready to fail).
3: “Structurally Deficient”: Late last night, a link was posted showing old photos of the bridge before the collapse. My jaw literally dropped when I saw them. The structure (viewed from below) did not jive with the roadway viewed from above. Viewed from below, I would have said it was a dedicated rail bridge, not a 8-lane metro artery. Marginal steel; inadequate piers; possible maintainance issues at the main span anchors.
4. Last night, we discussed how long it might take to find the cause. I made an estimate, assuming politics didn’t enter into the review (the hypothetical). Already, as we see from the offical contradictory stories coming out, any hope for a non-political analysis are long gone.
5. My call, given the minimal information we have, is that we have a marginal bridge that was compromised further by extensive construction or a construction blunder. (Not a natural failure of a old or weak structure, but a structure triggered into failure by a specific event.)
6. Official claims of “minimal road re-surfacing work” does not appear credible now, after reading the job document that someone posted last night.
Jennings reading his refusal to answer the questions to each question. Leahy tossed one in that asked him what his job and he started reading again, “Whoa, whoa, whoa! Mr. Jennings! I’m simply asking you what YOUR job was.” said, Leahy.
Media room new to this trial.
Leahy just roughed up a Bushie! Does anyone smell neo-con flop sweat?
Specter is really pushing this “accomodation” with the WH. No oath, no transcrpit, no follow up. Specter is craptastic.
leahy building to a feverish pitch ask what type of work jenn did – he starts to recite the “i cant answer that due to pres order” mantra. lea – lets not be too contemptous of this committee. im only asking what type of work you did
seems amer taxpayers paying u to stonewall
Oh hell, why doesn’t Leahy just throw Jennings ass into a cell, and let him rethink his “respectfully decline” to answer.
That was an incredible exchange. Jennings invokes executive privilege with regard to what his job actually is and what he does in it.
Leahy: sounds like the American people are paying you to stonewall.
Able to accommodate 100 media with media room and overflow courtroom.
Morning Christy and all.
What a week! Glad you guys got to Chicago o.k.
Have a good one.
Sounds as if Leahy and Specter both are riled and ready to roll. No more Mr Niceguy. heh.
Scott Jennings sounds nervous. Go figure. He should be. The gloves will be off at this point, I suspect…
Cute excuse for axeing his original e-mail acct – got spam. OMG, he looks utterly clueless about answering even the simplest, most clearly worded questions. Even his lawyer must be having trubble holding down his breakfast.
Jennings won’t even tell Leahy what his job is!
L: “So the American taxpayers are paying you to stonewall!”
on whose *time* were you doing political work, Mr. Jennings?
Jennings is one smarmy bastard. This hearing is making my stomach hurt.
Wanted to let in 5-6 bloggers.
Specter asks about his RNC email account and Jennings has to confer with his lawyer…
Even Specter kicking him in the nuts, “I thought that was a pretty easy question, Mr. Jennings,”
Gunga Djinn @ 96
Are you a civil engineer?
Helen @ 87
it may be that he’s trying to appear over his head. it’s defensive – helps distract from his lying and the key matters at hand.
Specter, knowing that this is all bullshit “How much ime have you spent on this matter?”
J: A few hours with my lawyer
S: Anyone else
J: hummina hummina. Does not answer
Is Jennings the guy who gave the presentation at Lurita Doan’s place?
spec – do you think u have done something wrong?
yes senator
SS 6 seats for bloggers, they could rotate as needed. Rules of order set by Judge Walton. Not allowed to use electronic items in courtroom, so this separate room worked out well. Exibits were digitized, so they were able to get them quickly.
Specter, “Has anyone talked to you about a criminal contempt citation?”
Thanks for the SJC liveblogging, Boston1775 & all others.
And thanks, TexB, for the Libby panel updates.
Great job, everyone.
Going to radio silence now to help take strain off the servers…
I suspected that Jennings was a glib bastard from the doc-dumps. He is more than that. He’s Loyal Bushie to the max, and thinks himself smarter and more silver-tongued than he is.
Now he’s blaming the tech setup, because his RNCmail account was available 24/7 and his WH office wasn’t. Tough shit. Presidential Records Act, bitches. Specter: ‘you looked concerned, you brought three lawyers with you’.
No shit, Sherlock. But Specter is now taking a weird tack about ‘distractions’.
jayt @ 113
Yes
OT–with my apologies:
EPU’d from a thread last night:
johnSwifty @ 18
Yellowdog Jim sent me a message and the link to the comments above. I also got a message from Elliott. Thanks y’all! My family and I are fine. And as you can imagine, the national media has descended on Mpls. I appreciate your gesture, which is quite touching. See you all a little bit later.
“Mr. Chairman, I object to the continued questioning of Mr. Jennings on the grounds that is unsettling and scary to his parents!”
Specter is *REALLY* pissing me off this morning.
SS, tobacco trial was the first w/blogger. Personal perspective…several reporters thought it might not work out with bloggers, but there were no complaints.
OH F*UCK – Jennings just mentioned Al Queda
leahy – would take a lot less time if u would just answ the q
Oh what snark from Specter rephrased “did you talk to your mommy and daddy about what you did? Do your parents know what you did?” Sounds like the neighbor has come over to talk to the parents about their son being a very bad boy.
Specter now asking Jennings if the WH is working on the expansion of FISA.
Specter: Are you representing to this committee that you’re a busy man?
Jennings: No busier than anyone on this committee but yes, busy.
S: Why use this form of communication?
J: One email account became my default email account and we used it a lot and we were using it to be efficient in our job duties.
S: How long have you spent in anticipation of today’s appearance.
J: I’ve spent hours with counsel.
S: How much time have you spent. Are you worried?
?
J: My wife is concerned. Parents concerned. Lawyers concerned. Very concerned.
S: Are your parents worried about your appearance of being wrong – with contempt citations, something criminal?
J: Yes
S: Is the White House distracted by this?
J: The White House counsel is very busy on this.
S: Do you understand the high level alert that the White House should be working on?
J: I think they should be working on defending from al Quaeda instead of helping me.
Leahy: Then they could simply answer these questions.
Next up: Durbin
durbin – where is karl rove – why is he hiding – why is he throwing you up to…
Ah, Specter bringing up FISA. So he’s flacking for the White House, or at least for an accomodation. Leahy’s having absolutely none of it: the White House could save time by getting him to answer the questions.
Bloggers report differently from regular reporters —- decor in the media room. Made a difference because cameras not allowed in fed trials.
Gunga Djinn @ 96 –
could you give us links? especially these:
would love to take a look/read for myself. thanks!
Durbin – Where is Karl Rove? Why is he hiding behind the WH curtain?
FDL made it more humorous, added spice to the reporting on the Libby trial.
Jennings reply to Durbin, “Karl stole my lunch money, and if I talk he’ll beat me up.” Waaaaaaaaah, I want my mommy.
SS, Bloggers well suited to cover federal trials. Being able to explain things that reporters don’t have the space. Plus the special knowledge. FDL did add a degree of spice and humor that we don’t usually see in the MSM. Good exp0erience, will allow bloggers again.
durbin – why did taylor respond to q u wont respond to?
I thik they are going to trip this young pup up if they keep after him.
Jeralyn — how do indy bloggers get credentialed?
Answer —- case by case or they must affiliate.
Durbin: pointing out that Taylor answered questions that Jennings won’t answer. Jennings is prepped, and gliby reads back Specter’s words.
(The undercurrent is that he’s got much more to hide than Taylor.)
Durbin – baiting the kid with “Sara Taylor was much more forthcoming”.
Jeralyn — How often did you read the blogs? Did the judge?
Answer, Snook read the blogs when things were controversial. Non-committal regarding the judge, but the law clerks did.
Durbin is asking why Jennings can’t answer questions that Taylor did: You have a vastly different interpretation of Fieldings letter.
Jeralyn asking how people will be allowed to blog. How will you determine who will get credentials?
How often did you read the blogs, and how about Judge Walton?
SS read them regularly, didn’t know about Judge Walton. Law clerks are “consumers”.
OldCoastie @ 137
The RNC account means either he was violating the Hatch Act or the Presidential Records Act.
Marcy pretended she was markos and invented Kos letterhead in order to become credentialed. All laughed.
Is this the face of the future Republican Party?
Oh dear. Durbin has an email that makes a liar out of Jennings.
Whoah. Heavy clutch of attorneys with Jennings to answer a simple question. They’re going to have to really squeeze this guy. He knows where somebody’s buried.
uh-oh, a 29-year-old is getting the “I can’t recall” disease!
This is relatively easy, Senators. When the answer is no, he says “no”. When the answer is “yes” – he hides behind the privilege.
Adjust your questions accordingly.
Whoever upthread said that Jennings is acting stupid on purpose – I respectfully disagree. This guy is an asshole.
Marcy had to make up Kos letterhead.
Christy, we would not have been able to do this without what Jane did behind the scenes. Found Plame House, which was close enough and could accomodate 3 large poodles.
Organized who was going to blog when. Pach did jury selection because of his background in psych.
Durbin:
“Why does Karl Rove throw a young staffer like you before the Judiciary Comm. while he hides behind the curtains?!”
By gum, that opened a crack in Jennings’ defense, and he’s talking a bit. And NOW his LAWYER is talking to HIS OWN lawyer. It’s like a little set of bobbleheads up there in a line.
Poor little Jennings now quickly reverts to simply reading canned answers from c*iffnotes spread out in front of him. If he’s not a dummy, he sure plays the part well. I can almost hear rover haw haw-ing behind the curtains.
Durbin got him to admit he’s talked to others about his job. Shouldn’t that blow his “no comment” defense outta the water??
Durbin: Each time Karl Rove feeds another young staffer I ask the question, “Where’s Karl Rove?”
Do you have a close working relationship with Karl Rove?
J: Yes sir.
D: Do you know that Sarah Taylor answered the very same questions Leahy is asking you?
Why would YOU refuse to respond?
J: I know that Ms Taylor answered the questions and Ive read the transcript. She was accused of cherrypicking. He cites Specter’s saying that he should not disobey White House. J also says that Taylor was a former employee and he’s a current employee.
D: Were you aware of any contacts from congress or White House with Mr. Igleasias that took place during the time before he was fired?
J: No
D: Did you have contact with Monica Goodling relative to the State of New Mexico relevant to the 2004 election?
J: He has no recollection.
D: Whips out a copy of an email exchange in June 2006. Give a copy to J.
Leahy: I think this is the document you’ve already been handed.
D: Asks about it.
J: invokes e.p.
D: You won’t respond to questions but you did produce this email. just want to point this out.
Next up: Senator Hatch
idiot Hatch up next.
Whoa. He’s invoked privilege on discussing the context of the email, after saying he couldn’t recall discussions with Goodling on NM. I get the feeling he may end up perjuring himself, especially if Sheldon Whitehouse has his five minutes.
But Hatch is up, and he’s only here for arslikhan.
For every beer consumed 8 million brain cells die. Not regenerated, dead. These guys must have consumed millions of cans of beer. Their collective inability to remember is like the local drunk passed out on the common????
Helen @ 151
that was me. just a suggestion of an alternative interpretation… haven’t even convinced myself. *g*
crap. Hatch up on the toobz and George Fucking Bush on the teevee.
Jonathan @ 110
I can neither confirm nor deny that. But be advised that if you dismiss my assessment and I’m proven correct, I shall flog you with I-told-you-so’s.
[sorry for going OT. Y’all are moving too fast this morning, and when I started typing about the bridge, the chat had not yet turned to the hearings.]
Hatch, what’s wrong with Utah?
Re SJC hearing.
Is someone (esp with the SJC) tracking all those “convenient” coughs? It seems too consistent to be health-related.
It’s clear Jennings won’t answer anything incriminating. He’s worse than Sara Taylor. Durbin asking about contacts with Monica Goodling & New Mexico.
Jennings: nope don’t recall.
Durbin: we have an email exchange with goodling. What was the nature of that exchange.
Jennings: Executive privilege.
Durbin: Well we certainly have a document
Orrin Hatch: WTF. blaming dems and backing preznit’s claims of privelege
Christy, I did opening statements. Political personalities they could do, which the MSM could not do. Used people for their strengths. Organized each part of the trial this way.
Hatch wasting our time. Again. It is all the Demos fault…!
Whining nicely he is.
Extra 100,000 people for each day.
Orrin Hatch up with his usual *ss kissing of the Administration. Executive privilege blah, blah, blah. Committee is soooo unfair. Yadda, yadda, yadda. The man is a true waste of oxygen.
Christy praising the mods and the whole backstage stuff. Yay for RBG and all others.
jayt @ 150
DING! DING! DING! We have a winner.
My thoughts exactly, jayt.
selise @ 158
I get the a-hole vibe from Jennings.
carolyn urban @ 148
I’ve said here and at TNH that Jennings should have been hauled in sooner, before this escalated into exec-privilege BS. His tracks were all over the doc-dumps. And he’s turned out to be even smugger, glibber and more obnoxious than I expected.
He absolutely knows where the bodies are buried. And we have a sense of where to find them, albeit on RNCmail servers that Fred Fielding has taken control over.
Christy, the server issues were huge. Gmail going back and forth to keep count of threads, etc. Mods backstage were phenomenal. They deserve huge thanks. The amount of traffic was huge.
durbin – did u ever meet w/ inglesias
“not that i recall”
did u ever speak to anyone in the wh about his conduct?
aware of any conversations about it
“no”
any emails/conversat w/ goodling about NM politics
sir i must respectfully decline
i am not asking about us atty – i am asking about NM politics
(confirs w/ counsel), i have no recollection at this time
declines to answer about email between he & goodling about NM politics
(hmmm – i smell durbin trying to get into caging)
Helen @ 151
I agree. He is all that – total and complete
Hugh @ 167
An “Asselelphant”
Christy had to stifle the urge to object during the trial.
glanced at the tv – doesn’t look like any reporters showed up for the shrub’s presser.
Hatch has the audacity to talk about the “growing expense” of the investigation. He has no problem with 12 billion dollars a month on a war of aggression. He’s merely speechifying and as usual he’s craptastic.
What about the polls about impeaching Gonzo?
Hatch – this hearing represents “the trashing of reputations and career” – didn’t bother him when it was Valerie Plame – and “the misrepresentation of the proper relationship between the executive and legislative branches”
He has got to go. When’s he up for reelection?
Defense counsel referred to Plame as “the wife” during the opening. Hard for Christy not to see it from prosecutor perspective.
Um, Orrin? You’re the reason why people don’t like Congress so much, because you’re rolling over and peeing on yourself for George Bush.
Hatch doesn’t wanna hurt Jenning’s feelings by asking questions.
Christy — Fitz’s opening statement was the best she has ever seen. Ever.
Bluetoe @ 178
Or about the $40 million blow job
carolyn urban @ 180
Could the Democratic mayor of Salt Lake City have a chance against this windbag?
It was hard for Christy to just be a spectator. She wanted to stand up and object! The wife comment from the defense in opening statements was really irritating, and the females on the jury were wincing.
Fitz’ opening statement was the best she has ever heard. Hard to do because of constraints. Straight-up. Set the case in a few short minutes. You could see the looks on the jurors faces that they understood.
Thank goodness for Orrin Hatch…I needed to hang my laundry out, but didn’t want to miss anything important. And along cam Orin. Thanks Senator…
Oh no, Hatch “deep within their souls.” What is with these repubs and the “souls” thing? Bush talks about Putin’s soul, Lott about Steven’s soul and now Hatch. Maybe they have all sold their souls to their fuhrer in hades.
Leahy sniping Hatch! sweet.
Christy was on the elevator with Wilson & Plame, laughing about seating the jury. Little procedure arguments that only the lawyers understand.
Leahy is sick and tired of Hatch!
Why is it that Hatch’s five minutes seem like a lifetime, even on mute? Oh, I know: it’s because he won’t shut up, and pontificates throughout.
I’d be fascinated to know if WH preps Hatch in afvance for the times he shows up to toss softballs.
Kennedy up. Starting on Hatch Act / political briefings.
Hatch: Wishes that Jennings were not in this position but he’s in this position because of the Democrats. This was a plenary power and though it was poorly handled it was proper.
Presidents own authority must somehow satisfy Democratic Senators. They chose to ask questions that they know witnesses can’t answer and then cry Cover-up.
In all of these hearings, they have dragged this process for nine months, even into the legal region. We would have been way ahead of the game if they had followed a different process.
There is the trashing of reputations of public servants, the enormous expense, and the net comes up empty everytime, they know deep in their souls, they know in there bosom that there’s something there.
Cites the downward spiral of the favor of Congress. Low in the polls. Not a good record of Congress’s accomplishments.
Thanks Jennings for his service and his sincere desire to accomodate. We should have done it the President’s way.
Leahy: They said they would set the agenda. They would decide what questions should be asked.
Hatch: I believe you would have been able to ask any question that you wanted.
Someone got into the personal communications between the AG and top staffers. This was a terrible situation. I announced it, exposed it, we resolved it. Had the US attorney get the servers.
Colleagues on the other side did not want THEIR private memoranda disclosed to the public. That is what the President wants here. Wants to protect the President from being exposed.
Leahy: I’m sure that Jennings appreciates you being on his side.
Hatch: He deserves it.
Leahy: No, the American people deserve answers to their questions
Next up: Kennedy
Leahy, “Mr. Hatch I’m sure Mr. Jennings appreciated having you on his side, but now the American people deserve to have you on their side and get the truth and the whole truth.”
You have got to wonder if Orrin Hatch would be such a big defender of executive privilege if Jennings worked for Bill Clinton. Probably not so much.
Christy, I went back to try to explain details of what was happening, while Marcy’s fingers were flying. Getting a good jury is the most important thing.
Elevator moment, with Libby and wife.
The first day in courtroom, Christy behind Mrs. Libby and Barbara Comstock. Could see Libby in front of them and could see nervous movements, etc.
carolyn urban @ 148
I am thinking there will have to be a Defense Fund. James Carville, there is a neo-con who needs your help. His wiki does not mention military service in Iraq. Scotty is a strapping young lad who would look really good in a uniform.
______________________
Ellen Williams, former Kentucky GOP Chair: “Scott is all about integrity and honesty. I’ve never known him not to do the right thing. He’s probably as good a communications and press person as maybe I’ve ever worked with. I’ve compared him to a young Lee Atwater, who I had the privilege of working with … he has a lot of the same kind of quick-thinking and strategic mind from a political standpoint.”
Jennings was mentioned in an inquiry into the politicization of the General Services Administration (GSA). At a Congressional hearing in March 2007, witnesses testified that on January 26, 2007, Jennings was present at a meeting where GSA Administrator Lurita Doan “joined in a videoconference earlier this year with top GSA political appointees, who discussed ways to help Republican candidates.”[3]. On April 23, 2007 the U.S. Office of Special Counsel announced it was investigating the January videoconference, to look at whether the political dealings of the White House have violated the Hatch Act.[4]
Teddy K bringing up the Lurita meeting. Hatch Act violations. “How many of these have you presented?”
Jennings: 10 or more
Kennedy: How many political briefings have you conducted during your service in the SH?
J: about 10
Have to take time out, sorry
Go Leahy, snarking on pathetic patronizing Orrin!! The American people deserve the truth, yess
Christy seated behind Wilsons. Watched Libby from across the way. Played with his fingers under the table.
I do believe I’m beginning to see a little sweat on poor Mr. Jennings.
“Presidential Rights” vs the “Consent of the governed?”
i wonder id lureta doan is watching/reading – hi laureta! we’re still watching you!
They tried to blog this with the same professionalism they bring to everything else.
Kennedy: did you produce the content of briefings yourself.
(Jennings looks up. confers with lawyers.)
Jennings: Sara Taylor did it.
Jennings: Clinton did it too!!
Kennedy, “Do you produce the substance of the briefings?” Jennings must confer…
Jennings, “no, typically it involves the staffers at the WH”.
Kennedy, “Mr. Rove involved?”
Jennings, “not that I recall”.
confer, confer, confer
Jennings should add the 5th amendment privilege against self-incrimination to his executive privilege claim.
Kennedy grilling him about Hatch Act violations… now, why would they be so careful about the RNC emails and not realize they can’t hold political pep rallies on gov’t property? (my question)
He’s starting to glow a bit. Blames Sara Taylor for producing the content of political briefings. Says he doesn’t know if Rove was involved, is aware of the Hatch Act, says he believed everybody did it, and that he didn’t check with anyone if it violated.
Lawyer break. Passive voice, it’s my understanding that they’re cleared with WH counsel.
Many reporters don’t actually look at the motions, documents, etc. Christy and Jane use Pacer, which is how lawyers access federal court docs.
Reporters knew Wells cries at the end of trials, but Christy didn’t know. Nina—? from NPR does puppet thing at the end of her shows, really funny.
Getting the facts out as they knew them along with a little humor.
Pacer is the federal system to get docs. FDL pays to get them. (Marcy-$200.00 last quarter.
Christy would read docs in advance and could report on what was happening. Media people would call and say Wow.
Jennings: Briefings are cleared by WH Counsel and it’s a regular practice.
GeorgeSimian @ 211
confer, confer, confer
gonna make a lovely visual for the news tonight.
Now we know why Lurita hasn’t been fired. Jennings just said Bush is still deciding so he can’t talk about it!! An ongoing decision!!! Because the actual investigation is over!!
Now invoking the OSC report for an ‘ongoing investigation’ stonewall. Kennedy waves the privilege letter. Lawyer break.
What I told the counsel: ‘I don’t recall.’
Take a drink.
Someone should offer to donate to FDL to help offset Marcy’s PACER bill. Anyone? Maybe?
Jeeze – we are back to “I don’t recall” and “it was someone else’s job.” Damn, when will these people take responsibility for themseslves? And, when did “I don’t recall” become the ultimate figleaf for lying? These guys do NOT get into these positions because they have poor memories. This is crap.
Jennings has already skated pretty close to perjury re the Goodling email where he said he did not not have any conversations with her over attorney firings (even though he had the email right in front of him).
Jeralyn- can’t cover a trial based on MSM. Pacer is free, 8 cents per page. Read both sides position before you go to court. Cable news doesn’t do this. We know if someone is arguing against the facts.
Flopsweat when Rove’s name mentioned. Undoubtedly, Jennings shirt & jacket soaked in sweat. Someone hand him a beachtowel
Jennings starting to stare at the ceiling as he wracks his brain for memories… not a good visual.
jennings (& lawyer) know hes REALLY in the hot seat now w/ kennedy’s q.about lurita doans comments at her hearing about his presentations
Marcy — her day when she was live-blogging. middle of the night — Marcy did research on the witnesses, etc. and load images so they could use them throughout the day.
Toby Wollin @ 221
Beer and Brain cells??????
Boston1775, you rocked. excellent!
jayt @ 218
gonna make a lovely visual for the news tonight.
as if they’d put it on the news!
Now bullshitting about briefings: the Doan ‘morale boosting’ line. But he’s a sweaty betty now. Kennedy skewers him on how he never got Hatch Act legal advice on briefings.
Cardin up.
While live blogging, Marcy doesn’t have a chance to read comments. Typing too fast.
Cardin up.
Is lecturing to Jennings or to the public at large. If it’s directed to Jennings it will be lost on this smug true believer.
Elliott @ 231
Ha. Just shows that my idea of “the news” is now Olbermann and Jon Stewart!
Jennings: Political presentations a way of thanking pol. appointees for supporting the preznint’s agenda.
Wow. They found a way to put lipstick on Cookie Doan’s pig.
Two people in media room reading over her shoulder the whole time. Maybe more than two. She typed faster than anyone else.
Marcy, insomniac so she would find something to write for Next Hurrah and Kos, all loaded up ahead of time.
GMail w/Christy, open up front and back of FDL? It’s a production. Save it often, timestamp it.
Misspelled something s-h-i-t-! Did not see comments as she went along. Rick would let her know if she fouled something up. Would save to word document and cut and paste. Scrambling to stay ahead of things.
There were at least two people in the media room were watching her work. Others too. Quotes for MSM decided by brawl- who could be the loudest.
Marcy had trouble transitioning from detail level to macro level for the podcasts.
Selise @ 131: Please see Late Nite FDL: Falling Down about 3 threads back, posts #243 photos & facts, and #329 Job document in PDF.
Sorry again for the OT. I’ll hold bridge talk until later, after hearings blogging.
jayt @ 236
Ha!
I was referring to the MSM, my mistake ;)
Jennings wandering around off script… hopefully Cardin has a point here.
Marcy. The case was as much about the media being on trial as about Libby. Interesting to be in media room. Media didn’t seem to know/realize/admit that they were being manipulated. Cowering.
They admitted with each other that they break the rools.
Christy noticed the same thing in the main courtroom.
Does anyone know where Cardin is going?
Cardin’s actually being quite clever, and by talking broadly, establishing Jennings as the gatekeeper for GOPeratives out in the sticks,
Hatch Act — Orrin’s legislation I assume?
Wouldn’t it be lovely to see this little bit of irony bite him in the arse with prosecutions of his crony cockroaches?
Ted Wells — media never reports on his shtick. But the bloggers do!
Prairie Sunshine @ 246
No; different Hatch from a long time ago
Marcy-Before Politics TV Jane would try to hold her down and put make-up on her.
Nobody ever picked the same thing they wanted to talk about. Something different stood out to everyone. Freezing out there and politics TV did a lot of editing.
This case was as much about the media being on trial as much as it was to Libby being on trial. So interesting in the media room. People cowering, making comments about all the rules for background/deep background means different things to different people.
People laughed about Wells tears, and were comparing his crying jag with the Espy trial.
All of the media knows Wells does Schtick, but nobody reports it.
Christy says it’s an older style of lawyering. Jeralyn says now it’s storytelling/theme. Build the case around the theme, and bring it all together at the end.
PS – different Hatch… Orin has nothing to do with the leg.
OT, but can someone tell me who Vets for Freedom are? They’ve just put out an ad supporting Norm Coleman. I have a vague recollection that this might be the current version of the Swift Boaters. Do you know?
Anytime this fool does something I am always brought back to this ’70’s vid of Karl Rove participating in Nixons CREEP.
http://newssophisticate.blogsp…..scast.html
Warning…this lil’ bastard will make you want to vommit after watching this
Prairie Sunshine @ 246
Different Hatch. Orin would never object to a (republican) administration using facilities for political purposes.
PS@246: Another Hatch.
with President Bush’s approval ratings in the toilet
who will be thrown under the porcelain bus next?
It seems Jennings has a big ego, likes to talk about himself, how important he is.
Not that it makes a whole lot of difference, but here are a couple of items of note about Mr. Jennings:
Graduated from Univ. of Louisville, 2000.
Political Dir. for Bush’s campaign in KY in…2000.
Has done nothing but serve Bush, Mike McConnell, etc. and at the highest levels. Not an “envelope stuffer” – has always been a high level political operative.
And now at the age of 29, he’s scared — because he forgot that Mr. Rove has the capacity to throw him under the bus. Hey, Scott – that’s tough.
Schumer up… oh, I hope he’s on his game today…
Prairie Sunshine @ 246
The Hatch Act dates from 1939 and is named after Senator Carl Hatch of New Mexico.
Chuck Schumer up. People outside exec branch is not covered by privilege.
J: Pres said outside and inside. I can’t challenge President.
Schumer up. Making the point that privilege over RNCmail is bullshit. Jennings shrugs and says he obeys his lord and master.
Is anyone getting the Cardin? Jennings is rambling on about the personnel recommendations he would get (excepting US Attorneys.) “I have a qualified lawyer friend, will you consider.”
Cardin: How about complaints? Who would you pass the complaints on to ?
Jennings: We would route it to the appropriate person.
Jennings is starting to seem really stupid.
OldCoastie @ 250
Are you sure. The leg. was in 1887 so it well have been
Ooops forget it wrong hatch act…..I’ll go back to listening now
Leahy points out that Jennings is talking with both his own counsel and WH counsel.
Schumer listing all the emails they have regarding Jennings and NM.
Jennings confering with his lawyers.
Leahy: “for the record, please note that Jennings is conferring with both his lawyers and the WH counsel”.
Carl Hatch, not Orrin.
Even better….hand from the past reaching out to smack down these cockroaches
James Joyce @ 157
don’t fall for it. he wants you to believe that. stoopiditity seems to be his onlyeeest DEfense.
didn’ he just admit he’d been a state campaign chairman for jr? doesn’t that imply a certain amt. of organizational skills, & perhaps a smidgeon of memory capacity, as well as, um, a modicum of political bias as a major part of one of his, um, jobs that were considered in hiring him for his present employment, if it be the case that he is currently employed, which condition has not been fully confirmed by perp himself? goodgawd, if he does perjure hissownself, it’ll take months to tease out the details & line em up in legalese, won’t it?! mebbe that’s the point.
Look at him as a squid who just spewed a gallon on ink into the water. He better start manufacturing more ink, cause this aint over..
Prairie Sunshine @ 247
no prairie sunshine, way before his time.
Hatch Act of 1939
ps I always think of sunflowers when I see your name
Jeralyn, Jeffords was excellent. Organized, particularly with Matt Cooper, showing what a crappy note taker her was. Being a defense lawyer, she wanted the defense to win. (Not Libby, but the defense she naturally wanted to root for.)
In a lot of ways they did a good job, just that Wells style doesn’t work real well any more.
Irritated seeing all of the reserved signs on the seats. (Reserved for WaPo for example).
SS says that they hadn’t thought about people reserving seats.
Marcy sat next to FOX news (poor dear). One time she left her seat and when she came back it was taken by FOX.
Jennings can’t answer a single question without confering.
Leahy giving the gallery a ration and will throw out anyone being disruptive.
And another lawyer break. Schumer’s smart: Jennings was talking about social meetings, and Jennings had an ‘ulp’ moment when asked about the substance.
(Leahy makes his standard shut-up-Code-Pink statement.)
Shumer: It was clear that people outside the Executive Branch were not covered
J: I cannot go against President
Sh: It’s clearly Stonewalling
Sh: What can you tell us about the meeting in 2006? (which meeting?)
Leahy: note that
J: I had breakfast with Nicky and Pat
Sh: Breakfast. Anyone else there?
J: No.
Sh: This was not just social, right? This was about this memo.
J: Can I confer?
People talking
Leahy: I don’t want to hear any outbursts or comments. If there are, I will have Capitol Police restore order. The witness has the right to be heard as do the Senators.
J: I don’t recall this coming up. It was a social breakfast. First time I could take my friends to the WH Mess.
Sh: Any of your superiors aware you were having such a meeting
Did they talk of any unhappiness with Mr. Iglesias?
J: I don’t recall.
“Let me have a moment to consult with my attorney”…Two minute interval of consulting with expensive lawyers…”I don’t recall.”
You cannot make this up.
pseudonymous in nc @ 245
Pointman.
No speakers on my puter @ work but getting pretty good at reading lips “I don’t recall” …
Marcy sat next to FOX news (poor dear). One time she left her seat and when she came back it was taken by FOX.
They covet what they see…. [Silence of the Lambs]
IF South Dakota Senator Tim Johnson had a cerebral hemmorage back in December, WHY is he still in office? Has he come to washington at all since his surgery? Has he voted at all?
Okay, I just did a search to answer these questions. Out of the 292 votes currently made by this congress, Tim Johnson hasn’t been there for one. Isn’t this a bit retarded that we have people not showing up for their jobs? Sorry if I sound a bit rude to his recovery, but if it takes this long to recover, why not do the right thing and pass the reigns?
Schumer, “can you explain to me why this question is subject to privelege when none of the other ones are?”
Question for Sheldon Snook —- did you feel you needed to have balance between the bloggers?
Not really
Did the judge have special instructions for the jury because it was being live-blogged?
Told not to talk to anyone about the trial. No news. Etc. But some jurors were being exposed. One juror then all jurors read FDL trial live blogging, and contacted Christy about it.
What is with the exaggerated hand/arm gestures while ducking the breakfast conversation content. Go Shumer
Jennings lawyer can’t answer why Jennings isn’t answering either.
Wow, Schumer skewered him. And makes the point that he invokes privilege on tricky questions. How was it a social meeting if he hooked up the NM GOPpers with Goodling straight after?
But I honestly think Jennings is bullshitting his way into a contempt citation.
Marcy also spoke with one juror —– AFTER !
Ari Shapiro from NPR took the seat next to Marcy later, and she was happy with the switch.
Questions now.
For Sheldon, was there a sense of fairness for media and did bloggers get equal access.
It does concern judge when there is so much info that jurors can get hold of.
Christy, after the trial, jurors found out about the live blogging, and they all went back and read it.
Marcy, Libby’s NIE story was complete bunk, and the jurors figured it out but the NYT couldn’t figure it out.
“One juror then all jurors read FDL trial live blogging, and contacted Christy about it.”
Wha?!?! I presume AFTER the trial?
cancer cures @ 276 — you also sound more than a bit insensitive in using the word “retarded.”
But please stay on topic while live-blogging
One juror wanted to come public to refute the juror that went on Fox news. Pach told him/her to re-consider.
Ask Marcy if any jurors read her book
Schumer: If your having eggs it’s privileged but if your having corn flakes it’s not?
J: This is just as frustrating for me as you.
Leahy: No it’s not.
Actually, I think Schumer’s lining up a perjury citation. He’s invoking privilege rather than perjure himself. And his invocations of privilege are basically ‘yes’ answers.
Jennings: ‘It’s as hard for me as it is for you.’
Leahy snark: ‘Trust me, it is not.’
Schumer: you have no recollection of barnet omplaining about Iglesias.
Jennings: Ah EP.
Schumer P’oed about arbitrary nature of Jennings invoking EP.
schu – seems jennings is invoking presidents mantra based on difficulty of question – not whether it regards the issue of privledge. leahy agreed
pat_alexva @ 288
We can’t live blog and ask at the same time. May ask later in the day.
Schumer points out that Jennings answers depend on the difficulty of the question not on privelege. Leahy agrees.
Some questions about calling Cheney and then deciding not to. Perhaps a strategic choice to get evidence in. Marcy “It was a ploy”
“Lawyer, please!”
And the shutters go off. Anyone keeping count?
O/T Breaking News New problems for Ted Stevens.
Smack dab in the middle of Anchorage is a piece of land located right next to our beautiful municipal library. Uncle Ted came to own it recently, and in short order it was re-zoned, and then sold to become the site of the new Federal records repository. Bottom line: quick flip for over a million dollars in profit.
The Mayor of Anchorage had opposed the re-zoning when he was on the city council, but changed his position. Plus, he has business partnership with one of the co-owners on a nearby office building. He sold the office building and made $20,000. He explains that the re-zoning of the land for the records depository was after certain concessions were made to the people who wanted it to be made into a park. He is a democrat, and sometimes mentioned as a possible candidate for a Congressional seat. (His father was Don Young’s predecessor) With respect to him, the land deal is a fart in a windstorm, imho.
But w/r/t Ted Stevens, his career is heading down the toobz.
Schumer – “we seem to be in never-never land here… the memo is not priveleged but your testimony is?”
Jennings confering – he looks like an idiot.
Question, what about the defense issue of Cheney made him do it?
Christy thinks that jury wasn’t buying it so he dropped it.
Jeralyn didn’t think he was ever going to be called. How would the Prez react. Maybe Cheney refused, but Christy says putting Cheney on the witness list may have been a ploy to get evidence in and to clean up the jury pool. (they got to ask jurors how they thought about Cheney)
Jennings can barely confirm he wrote his own email.
Cancer Cures @ 276:
A couple of things. Only George Bush can hand over reigns. It’s a royalty thing. LOL
I respectfully ask you to reconsider use of the word “retarded” as a negative descriptor of individuals or processes. Women, men, children who have mental retardation are deeply hurt by use of this label, as are their friends and families. Just something to think about.
“situational executive privilege”
Q —Please tell Fitz stories.
Christy — Really tall. Opens doors for ladies.
Whitehouse!
Libby’s wife, GREAT hair! thick, dark, mesmerizing.
Leahy – “we have selective use of executive privelege”
Whitehouse up.
ho ho – if jenn thought schumer was tough – here comes the 2 from the one-two punch – whitehouse up!!
Whitehouse up. Hope he makes Jennings cry.
Whitehouse smacking down Orrin Hatch
Q — Marcy talked about smirks, etc. Was that planned?
A — Yes, but they learned as they read. Described what was really happening. Stress on a face, pauses, etc.
mui @ 299
It goes to whether in typing it his hands represented an internal or an external communication. Kafka would love this.
TexB @ 310
Ari Fleisher’s face melted when he was asked if he was charged with perjury.
Whitehouse setting Jennings up to take independent responsibility for EP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whitehouse: Are you following president’s directive or actually acting on advice of your counsel to determine the merit of exec privelege?
Whitehouse: Are you listening to your lawyer or to WH
J: Yes
Whitehouse: you have made an independent judgement about exec priv?
J: It’s not fair to say I am here to assess the merit of Pres exec priv. Trying to follow Pres directive. Speak to WH counsel.
Whitehouse opening line is a slap in Hatch’s face.
One question: asks whether he is acting under direction of counsel or the preznit. Jennings flubs. Basically says ‘I want to keep my job.’
Is Feingold MIA again today?
Whitehouse’s questions are just too hard for Jennings.
Whitehouse essentially asking if Jennings is working in his own interest or the WH’s interest.
Whitehouse yields back his time.
Jennings: All My Documents Are Belong To Fred Fielding.
“weak willed McGoverniks”
Anyone who has followed politics closely these past 30 years or so knows what a lie that slogan is. In fact, I can scarcely think of a stronger will than that of George McGovern. Would that we had more like him in Congress today.
But think of the injustice in that phrase: here’s a man who served his country, risked his life doing so, did his level best as a politician to stop another insane war, and suffered innumerable attacks while he ran for President. This is a guy who should be honored by his nation, who is certainly more worthy of having monuments, streets, and libraries named after him than many of those in Washington who have received such honors. Instead, his name is turned into a mass media insult.
Leahy – where are the docs you were compelled to provide based on subpeona -
gave them to my council – who turned it over to WH council – who determined that they’re all covered by exec priv
Leahy – ALL covered? You might want to think about that
Lawyer clutch
The President for 26% of America has just held an off the record Nuremburg Rally for the bitter enders, to wit:
Wednesday, August 01, 2007
“A Wartime President
Posted by Hugh Hewitt
President Bush invited ten talk hosts into the Oval Office for an hour of conversation today –Glenn Beck, Bill Bennett, Neal Boortz, Scott Hennon, Laura Ingraham, Lars Larson, Mark Levin, Michael Medved, Janet Parshall and me. This was an off-the-record conversation, and so I won’t be quoting the president.”
The orders are to push the stabbed in the back theme and blame the coming unravelling in Iraq on the Democrats and the “liberal media”.
The Bunker Days have arrived my friends, this nation is lost.
Pat Leahy just admitted that he voted for Justice Roberts even though he didn’t support him. The Democrats are currently conspiring to hand over the remaining shards of our civili liberties to Bush’s brain damaged consigliere and the US is pumpin the the most dangerous region on the planet chock full of the latest weaponry available and the leading Democrats are prattling on about new pre-emptive strikes in the most dangerous region in the world.
This cake is baked.
It looks like we couldn’t keep that democracy after all.
-GSD
Christy: Hard to give a flavor of how the jurors reacted without identifying any specific juror. Human interaction.
Jeralyn: Hard to read this jury. She had a hard time seeing body language in the jurors. But one juror leaned forward interested when David Gregory’s name was mentioned. “What does that mean? Who knows!”
Hate to be a stinker here, but can’t we leave this thread for the LIVE Jennings thingie today, and save the trial stuff for elsewhere – gabbly, or later thread?!
TexB and LooHoo, thank you so much for liveblogging. It has been really, really interesting. I tried to get on SecondLife to register as well, but so far, no luck.
Again, thank you.
-S
Jeralyn, Harriet Grant had the best hair. Breck girl, mesmorizing!
Question-was it planned to talk about what people were wearing, and getting your own style for live blogging.
Marcy, a transcript is not going to reveal the stress on Judy Miller’s face, or Fleischer being the source, and seeing his face melt. These people were fascinating in showing their humanness. All except Novak.
Christy, people try to keep their anynomity, Showing readers what was foing on in terms of human reactions. Trying to bring to readers what the jury is seeing.
Jeralyn, important to read more than one blog, because we would see different things. One juror, wwho was totally interested every time David Gregory’s name came up. Just one of those things. Interesting trying to figure out jury.
Christy, never can figure out what a jury will do.
Sheldon Snook — reporting is better when there’s a larger group. Can reach consensus or bring their expertise, experience.
Leahy: Did you bring docs (subpeona)
Jennings: Nossir
Leahy: (so you didn’t bring your homework?)
Jennings: Covered by EP. Turned over to WH counsel &etc. (Officious) Sir, pursuant to preznit’s assertion, I have to respectfully decline to present those documents at this time.
Leahy’s condescension to Jennings is delightful. And completely appropriate, given what we’re seeing.
Adie @ 323
TexB please please, ???
Scotty: “I manage the southern States.”
Yes, but he stepped up early for the Alito filibuster
more obstruction and contempt………..
fdl reader @ 313
Executive Oil has no problem offering Up the young for their oil agenda
We’re here live. Not watching on TV, internet.
Jennings: didn’t have a White House Blackberry, now have one.
Ah, the kr@georgewbush.com email. NM: US ATTY URGENT
jenn wont be providing ANY of the supeoneaed docs, but stated can’t due to presidents mantra…bla bla bla, “at this time”
i think theres something more to be gleaned from when jenn adds “at this time” as he has both when he refuses to answer a q – or supply documents
Give me the gabbly link please and I will move over
Two events are being liveblogged on the thread today–the Plame panel at Kos and the Jennings hearing.
Your patience is appreciated…think of it as sudoku….
stay put, TexB.
rofl – leahy is asking if jenn read the “catch 22″ book
Nola Sue @ 328
delicious, too
Leahy’s asking whether Jennings has read CATCH 22. Jennings says he’s aware of phrase.
Did you read the book?
No.
Leahy: you might want to go back and read it. It seems to be your training manual.
Do you think Leahy is getting po’d with this smarmy Republican apparachitk?
Leahy: Catch 22 you should go back and read it. It seems to have been part of your training manual.
LOL
I love Leahy.
And all of the D members of the SJC.
Nola Sue @286 and barbara @301, thank you.
Leahy: Ever read Catch-22?
Jennings: I know the phrase.
Leahy: Read the book?
Jennings: No.
Leahy: Catch-22 part of your training manual.
That he hasn’t read Catch-22 should be enough for him to be locked up.
These executive privelege claims won’t be decided outside a courtroom- the key is to get em into a courtroom asap–the Clusterfuckers will appeal all the way to the supremes- so is there a way to START there?
DECLINED TO ANSWER if he knew why inglesias was asked to resign
Leahy asking if Jenn read anything in the newspapers about Iglesias.
Jennings refuses to answer.
Adie @ 329
Adie, they are love-blogging from YKOS a live panel on the Libby liveblogging
New questioner:
Do you think that Libby was ever going to testify?
Do you think that the end game was a commutation/pardon? Or did they really put on a good case?
Jeralyn:
1) did not make that decision until after pros rested.
2) they did present a real case without thinking of pardon.
apologies all.
seemed like time-warp earlier
no understand *blush*
carry on pups & my mind can now encompass, not that i unnerstand wth is going on *g*
I think that Leahy’s now establishing a record to take to the court and show that the assertion of privilege is ever so much bullshit. Touching on all the areas that don’t count as internal WH discussion.
Thanks, democratic party “leaders” who set precedent by letting Miers get away with it.
Don’t we need a new thread?
Time to review some Watergate Hearing tapes…………..
Someone needs to ask Jennings whether he thought he took an oath to uphold the preznit or to uphold the Constitution. Jennings may have to confer with his lawyers on that and it would be telling.
It’s time to slap a contempt of Congress on this apparachitk. When they begin making these smug neo-fascists pay a price their house of cards will come crashing down.
carolyn urban @ 332
I remember writing a really blistering letter to Leahy at the time.
May I suggest you read Catch-22?
Adie @ 352
SS, It is good to have more than one perspective from the different reporters and bloggers. It improved the coverage.
Marcy- Walton said something that Libby was guilty on one count. Didn’t happen, and media relied on Marcy’s blogging to show he didn’t say it.
Christy, found it fascinating that media would ask legal questions because they knew she had the legal background.
Jeralyn said she wouldn’t really answer the reporters questions, but point them in the right directions. Was afraid reporters might not represent what she said.
Question, did Libby intend to testify and did he know about the commutation/pardon?
Jeralyn, defense would not do their best based on the idea that he might be pardoned. You can’t know if your defendenant will go on the witness stand until the government has rested.
Q-What about blaming Rove in opening statements?
Christy, lawyer can’t tell a defendant what to do, can only advise. You defend them to the best of your ability. There is always a chance that the government will screw up the case, and Libby team did not have much to work with.
Leahy giving up on Scott. Buh Bye
Wrapping up now at SJC. The YKos liveblog can continue here.
Gavel and out.
Bluetoe @ 51
Remember that Graves was writing historical fiction. Go to Tacitus, Suetonius and Josephus for the original accounts. Because he was writing fiction, Graves was free to shape the story arc in a way that suited his ends. Suetonius et al are not nearly as engaging a read as Graves, but they are the closest thing we have to first-hand accounts.
Part of the message of Claudius, The God is that power corrupts those who lust after it. Those who do not lust after power are not so corrupted by it. Claudius is never as corrupted as Augustus, Tiberius and (especially) Caligula. Not to forget Julia, who was the most corrupt of all, because she lusted most for power and was forced to rule through proxies.
BC
rwcole @ 348
These executive privelege claims won’t be decided outside a courtroom- the key is to get em into a courtroom asap–the Clusterfuckers will appeal all the way to the supremes- so is there a way to START there?
Well, there’s certainly a way to speed the process.
Charge and convict someone of inherent contempt and the case will move *very* quickly.
SJC looks to be adjourned.
Those were the days when Leahy was still operating with some deference to the White House
I wish that Leahy would tell Jennings that he can stonewall for now but come January 2009 there will be no place for him or his like to hide.
Code Pink appear to have put a cardboard cutout of Rove in the witness chair at SJC. Photos being taken.
same question from 352 —
Christy, they gave best defense they could in response to the gov’t’s case. Libby’s Trial team “didn’t have a lot to work with”
Jeralyn — don’t ever promise the jury something you cannot deliver. Defense implied that they would do things and then changed course. But prob did this for evidentiary reasons.
Marcy — It was a legitimate defense. If Libby were on stand, Cheney would be in serious legal trouble. Libby’s job was to be the fall guy. Playing 2 games.
When do we declare war on corruption?
Jeralyn- you never promise something to the jury in opening statement that you cannot deliver. Here it is a case of evidence coming up during the trial.
Marcy- they put on a legitimate defense. Doesn’t believe they ever planned to put Libby or Cheney on trial. They did have two games, expose Bush and Cheney, and get him off.
Q-
Bargain Countertenor @ 365
Excellent points and very nuanced on what Graves was ultimately saying.
rofl –
final image –
code pink lady sitting directly behind where jennings sat w/ rove mask over her face, wheres karl sign great photo op (taken by one of the photogs)
New thread
So today’s hearing is over and it’s back to business as usual? Still no consequences for Republican stonewalling, lies and deception. Why should they change their MO when they’ve gotten away with it so far?
new thread upstairs
Chimpy complaining about Dems not passing spending bills. Going on vacation etc.
pseudonymous in nc @ 354
Going to court is a waste of time. Inherent Contempt is the only viable route. Let the WH defend against the Congressional claim instead of the other way around.
Q —
1) can/will civil suit re: Plame/Libby go forward?
2) can we see neena totenberg’s sock puppets? two levels of reporting — for each other & for the public
no answers to that one, or else i missed it. may come back to it.
Snook:
new question — did snook/the judge have any complaints?
that some of the stuff from the media room ended up on the blog
Chimpy waxing inflammatory and dishonest, saying there’s an increase in discretionary spending. He projects it will get worse if Dems continue. He implies Dems not “fiscally responstible.” “They’re spending as we talk. They’ll raise your taxes. . . The plan I put forward will balance the budget and keep taxes low.”
Er uh, as we speak, how much are contractors, Cheneys buddies spending in Iraq? I wonder.
(TexB, I know you can’t ask… but wrt this:
“that some of the stuff from the media room ended up on the blog “
Did the bloggers complain that some of the stuff on the blog ended up in the media? Hmmm.
This was smart — they basically tricked this not-too-bright guy into over-asserting privilege. And if everything is privileged, nothing is privileged. And his personal attorney seems to have been acquired through Rent-a-Lawyer.
Every blogger and congressperson should call him what he is — all of them who won’t testify, actually — a COWARD.
Face it — they are like 5th graders. They can’t STAND being called cowards. They always act like they are SO BRAVE — and the Democrats are such cowards.
Just say, “If you are afraid of Democrats in Congress, how do you expect to face Al Qaida?”
testing
test
Leiberman is a coward. Happy to send your kids or relatives to Iraq, but not any of his children or relatives. If Lieberman has his way the next stop will be Iran.
Liebermann received a deferment during Vietnam. Serving in his war if for you folks not his family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Lieberman
“Lieberman never served in the military. A spokesperson told the Hartford Courant in 1994 that Lieberman received an educational deferment from the Vietnam War draft when he was an undergraduate and law student from 1960 to 1967″
barbara @ 251
Here’s a little bit about them. Essentially they are a 527-group who consi9st of former pro-war Veterans (why didn’t they re-up?) and WH political cronies.
They supported Lieberman in his re-election bid and thus call themselves “non-partisan”! LOL!
http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind…..or_Freedom
It seems the Democratic Party is actually not displeased with the ads ~ since it basically shows Coleman as supporting Bush and the war ;-)