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This week, help me welcome guest labor bloggers, Craig Smith (aka “cps”) and Chris Goff (aka “cjg”), from the Free Exchange on Campus Blog. Free Exchange is a coalition of faculty, student and progressive policy groups that works to protect academic freedom and free speech at our colleges and universities. In particular, Free Exchange has worked tirelessly to counter the right-wing activists such as David Horowitz and Lynne Cheney’s group, the American Council of Trustees and Alumni (PDF), which are introducing bills across the country to legislate what gets taught in our college classrooms and to squelch speech on campus. Horowitz has called Free Exchange everything from racists to totalitarians (and despite being made up of a dozen different organizations) nothing more than a front for the teachers unions. They must be doing something right!
What is it about America’s colleges and universities that send right-wing reactionaries into such a frothing tizzy? If you were to believe people like Anne Neal, president of the American Council of Trustees and Alumni (ACTA), David Horowitz, and their allies, institutions of higher learning in this country are the redoubts of political radicals who are warding off certain extinction with the shield of academic freedom and insidious hives of indoctrination, turning naïve young minds into rabid America-haters. They’re temples of secular progressivism, post-modern houses of mirrors where the accumulated wisdom of two millennia of western thought is cast aside in favor of an “anything goes, your ‘truth’ is as good as mine” relativism designed to gratify rather than educate. Behind every office door is a Ward Churchill. Conservative academics are blacklisted. Snoop Dogg replaces Shakespeare. An “America is Wrong” agenda eclipses the inculcation of civic virtue. And people pay for this freak show of an “education!”
Students would surely echo Mr. Kurtz in crying, “The horror! The horror!” if only college English departments would teach them Conrad’s Heart of Darkness, rather than Radical Lesbian Poetry 101!
If you were to believe people like Anne Neal and David Horowitz and then were to sit down in some random college classroom, you’d be shocked—shocked to see how normal things are. On college and university campuses around the country, students are exposed to challenging new ideas, guided by well-trained professional scholars who take pride in their craft and are excited to introduce students to the “life of the mind.” Are there exceptions to this general characterization? Seeing as how professors are human, of course there are exceptions, but they are few and far between. Unfortunately, ultraconservative critics of the academy have been nothing if not persistent in getting their message of the “liberal bias” of the academy into the public sphere.
The methods behind their PR madness will come as no surprise to anyone who has paid attention to the radical right for the past six years. Extremist critics cherry-pick the most egregious fringe members of the academy and claim represent the whole. They publicize anonymously submitted, unsubstantiated, single-sourced claims of indoctrination solicited by their network of allied front groups. They publish “reports” using “facts” and “methods” that would be laughed at by any serious research analyst. A favorite tactic, used by Horowitz in his factually challenged, McCarthy-esque screed, The Professors: The 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America, and aped by ACTA, is to use the political opinions expressed by professors outside the classroom as proof of their leftist bias within the classroom. In other words, a lot of hot air, but a little thin on substance.
So, to what end do these attacks serve? ACTA and Horowitz would have you believe they are trying to restore integrity and protect academic freedom through the innocuous-sounding vehicles of “intellectual diversity” measures and an Academic Bill of Rights that they are promoting to state legislatures and the governing bodies of colleges and universities. At first glance, these measures seem harmless, if not out-and-out desirable. Who could be against academic freedom and intellectual diversity? Who doesn’t agree that students shouldn’t be graded on their political views? But underneath the cute-and-cuddly language – appropriated from genuine defenders of academic freedom, no less – is a much more insidious agenda.
What these measures do is sanction interference on the part of legislatures or boards of trustees to ensure that college curriculums and faculties are “balanced.” Most measures mandate that “all sides” of an issue should be taught—no matter how discredited they are within (or irrelevant to) a discipline. While the competing debates within an academic discipline should be (and most certainly are) discussed in a college classroom, should legislators and trustees be in the game of ensuring that ideas based on biblical inerrancy are given equal consideration in a class on biology? Of course not. And the very fact that ACTA and Horowitz want governing bodies involved in curricular and hiring decisions flies in the face of the very principles that academic freedom was designed to uphold—that scholars should be able to pursue their work free from the politicized demands of those from outside who are not professionally engaged in the fields they are attempting to regulate.
This isn’t an issue of political indoctrination on the part of wild-eyed leftists. In some form or another, these measures have been introduced in 26 state legislatures, and not one state has found the alleged liberal bias to be enough of a concern to pass legislation. In the only legislative investigation into the issue, a special legislative committee in Pennsylvania found that
“violations of academic freedom are rare” and that “legislation…is not necessary.”
Indeed, if you walk on to a college campus these days, you’ll probably find somewhere a good-faith discussion about how to ensure that conservative perspectives are heard. The truth of the matter is colleges and universities make every effort to promote the free exchange of ideas on campus. Sure, they sometimes stumble in this regard, but on the whole, college campuses are vibrant and cacophonous communities dedicated to the examination of a gallimaufry of ideas.
And that’s what rankles radical reactionaries like David Horowitz and those at ACTA. Accustomed to being able to drown out other ideas in the public sphere through a well-financed public relations juggernaut and sheer repetition, colleges and universities remain stubborn enclaves where all ideas may stand on equal footing and be heard, so long as they’re well-supported and vetted through rigorous academic investigation. It’s not that conservative voices aren’t heard on college campuses; it’s that they’re not given positions of privilege. To squelch competing ideas, conservatives are willing to throw out the academic freedom that has enabled the American system of higher education to be a catalyst for social change, economic development, and personal achievement. They would discard the very thing that brings people from around the world to our colleges and universities.
Free Exchange on Campus, a coalition of faculty organizations, student groups, and civil rights organizations, invites you to join us in protecting the free exchange of ideas at American colleges and universities and in advancing the notion that the benefits of this free exchange should be available to all who wish to experience it.
For more on the attackers of free exchange, see the following sites: Nonindoctrination.org and Students for Academic Freedom.




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Hi Tula!
Very interesting.
These same right-wing spooge-swillers are the first ones who will INSIST that a right-wing supreme court nominee WILL be able to separate his beliefs from his rulings, yet they refuse to think that a college professor who has a belief system can’t possibly keep it from the classroom?
Where’s the logic?
Oh, forgive me. I expected logic from Kool-Aid drinkers.
Another failing of the rightwing…
Hey everyone–great to be here!
I think by magic of the internets, Tula posted while simultaneously being on a panel at YKos.
The irony, at least on my campus, is that the ideology of the students is roughly 90% conservative, 10% not conservative. You can’t have a debate in class, because nobody disagrees!
The frustrating part of this nonsense is that one of the best ways of teaching is to argue something that is either not true or wildly at odds with the beliefs in the room, and then use the class reaction to that to create a good teaching moment. Under the goals of DH and ACTA, such a useful approach probably would get me hauled before some Dean.
Great point, dejah – it never even occurred to me to think about the similarities with judicial nominations.
We’ll just file that one away for further use.
Here’s something about the threat to academic freedom from M.J. Rosenberg at TPM, by no means an “Israel-basher”:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/co….._object_to
Academia has been in neocons’ sites for a long time; that’s what the Summers affair was about, not any impolitic comments about women.
@Mason:
I’d proffer a “playing the devil’s advocate” comment here, but given the context.
Your point is well-taken – these sorts of contradictory statements that may challenge the orthodoxy of classroom occur on a regular basis, and a good professor knows how to engage these statements and make “education” happen.
We are angry about the fact that WalMart is accumulating record profits in Mexico, while at the same time, there are many people working for WalMart in Mexico, without even the meager wages which this company pays it’s employees in this country.
Lynne Cheney is a nasty nasty woman. As head of NEH in the 1980s she waged a war against feminists, postfeminists, gay-lesbian studies scholars, women studies scholars, marxists, postmarxists, structuralists, poststructuralists, postmodernists, and emergent posthumanists in US academia. At some point she even specifically targeted the University of Minnesota’s Humanities Program (now morphed into Dept. of cultural studies and comparative literature) for not teaching the classics of Western civilization and the so-called canon of “dead white males.”
Lynne and Dick Cheney deserve each other. They’re not nice people.
BTW, even though Lynne Cheney suppressed a new printing of her 1981 lesbian novel, Sisters, it’s available from some booksellers if you can afford $163.88.
Welcome topic!
Um, isn’t there a stray right perens “)” late in the first paragraph? Are there some words left out? Please check.
Also, why not add a tag for “Campus politics” or something to link posts about campus things? I think it would be useful to link such things.
I really like the topic and all the links, and am thinking of how to disseminate this to all the campus-related people I know.
Aloha!
Bob in HI
ACTA is big on the “canon” – google their Vanishing Shakespeare report if you want to see some of the hysterics they go through about the supposed unfamiliarity of contemporary English majors.
Apparently, not knowing Shakespeare will cause whole professions to implode. Seriously, that’s what they say.
Hey Bob – Tula posted this while simultaneously being at YKos, and we don’t hold the proverbial keys to the kingdom. The post looks ok in my browser (using Firefox).
D’oh! Now I see it.
Being a recent college graduate, I have to say that the curriculum was not ‘left wing’ at all.
As a matter of fact, most of my peers were either apathetic and didn’t care about politics and current affairs, or conservative.
Bob–would love to have all your “campus-related” peeps visit us over at Free Exchange.
I am a progressive who taught composition at a community college in West Virginia in the 1990s. My curriculum was this: Students picked a topic of interest. Then they had to research their topic, write a paper describing the two compelling sides of the issue, and then two persuasion papers: one supporting “their” side and one supporting the other side.
This had the benefit of having them research everything! These were very conservative 18 year olds, who hadn’t been challenged in their lives. I forced them to see other points of view.
I think that THIS is what bugs Horowitz et al.
I didn’t set out to make them more progressive, but this happened frequently. And, when it didn’t, still the students had a clearer understanding of the topic and the issues surrounding it.
There really is economic class war going on in this country. No? Then what would you call it. The spread between the haves and the have not much is huge and growing.
@ cancer_cures – What humors us most over here is that if colleges are hives of indoctrination, given the politics of most current grads, professors sure are a lousy bunch of propagandists!
We are not ashamed to refer to ourselves as left-wing.
Hey Free Exchange. Thanks for fighting the good fight! Where do you think your next battle will be?
Linda–you are right on the mark. DH and allies love the idea of kids going to college and being unchallenged becasue they fear the outcome of learning and discussion.
It simply isn’t true that a University is a place where “all ideas may stand on equal footing and be heard, so long as they’re well-supported”. Most undergraduates make it through 4 years of college without hearing any substantial criticisms of US foreign policy or even discussions of corporate control of the media. There have been a lot of good criticisms of corporate control of the University (Readings’ University in Ruins, for instance). The University is a profoundly conservative place if by conservative we mean implicitly accepting the status quo (instead of Horowitz and Cheney’s silly relativistic book burning). Horowitz/Cheney’s screed about liberal professors is a lot like the Right’s complaint about “the liberal media.”
We are keeping are eyes open on a lot of places but if I were betting: Missouri, Virginia, Georgia and Texas.
At the end of the day, ask youself which philosophy is more correct? Das Kapital or Wealth of Nations.
Right wingers have the same paranoid fear of Marxism that Hitler had.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 8
Wal mart adjusts prices and payroll in accordance with local market conditions. In other words, they screw their workers wherever they can. Near Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, a manager earned $6 per hour last year.
Imagine the possibilities in Mexico!
I think that the rightwing nuttisphere has been pushing back against academia since the 30’s. Certainly in my lifetime, the zealots and detritus from the wreckage of the McCarthy movement have always been railing against the commies teaching our children.
During the 60’s the “Free Speech” movement at UC Berkeley was derided as a communist plot ( of course so was Martin Luther King’s movement) and pressure was exerted by the right on the provosts and trustees to limit the extent to which professors could teach various subjects.
Remember, even if we prevail at the polls for the next ten years, these types will not go away, and seem to actually gain strength when not in positions of power. Wingnuttery functions best as a movement railing against the “liberal power structure’. We have seen what happens when they are actually put in power and attempt to put their beliefs into practice. The whole thing erodes into what it was all along, a bunch of corrupt shills ruthlessly exploiting their base for money. Put them in power and they just steal from everyone instead of the limited audience they enjoyed previously.
Credit is the opiate of the people. And on that note, we are going outback for a swim.
@dharmamarx:
It’s exactly the same complaint.
And while I’m sympathetic to your critique that the university – like the media – isn’t “liberal,” they are both institutions where criticisms of power can flourish, even if its not within the mainstream of these institutions. Just think it’s important to note that…
And I forgot to include whiteness studies scholars in my list @ 9.
@Biodun: They rail against anything with the tag “studies” appended to it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 24
False choice. Truth is in-between.
Mike Hickerson @ 27
I think I still prefer them railing rather than being part of the structure. When the R’s had the House Horowitz almost got his so-called academic bill of rights into federal legislation and Anne Neal was just appointed this year by Spellings to a powerful college oversight board where she can promote her agenda.
eCAHN @ 32
Right you are. Too few have read either.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 24
Most scholars agree that Karl Marx was one of the best analysts of capitalism: not just of Fordist capitalism but even of post-Fordist capitalism, what we’re now calling “globalization.”
Very nice $10 word. Sent me to dictionary, and hopefully will be added to my vocabulary.
I think Ward Churchill is proof of how ridiculous the wingnuts’ case is. He’s the only example they can dredge up of all the profs at all the colleges. And now they won’t even have him to kick around.
OK–Chris gets credit for the writing here, but I get credit for that word!
There’s a more fundamental attack on higher education – make it so expensive that only the children of the privileged can afford it.
Then limit the curricula to PR, Conservative Commuication, Creative History, Political Posturing plus some practical stuff on care and feeding of Trust Funds. Anything that actually needs doing can be outsourced.
Do you think most students are aware–or care–that their classrooms are becoming a battleground for the left and right? There are always some students who are into politics on campus, but it seems like the majority are just stressing over doing their time, watching their debt levels rise and praying they’ll find jobs at the end.
I recemtly graduated from a liberal arts college with a BS in business. The professors were 100% conservative, who had no problem proclaiming American capitalism provides the highest standard of living. When I pointed out the higher per capita income in parts of Europe along with their increased longevity and lower infant mortality rates, it really pissed them off. Thank goodness I waited until the tests were objective, because I got the impression they’d like to take me down a peg or two.
At bottom, business wants well-adjusted bricks in the wall. It breaks my heart to listen to my middle-school niece and nephew talk about school – lots of technical skills, zero insight.
It is no different from the South keeping slaves uneducated, and no different from the old maxim on controlling women – “keep them barefoot and pregnant.”
GordonM @ 38
Couldn’t agree more. One thing we try to focus on at Free Exchange is the fact that DH et al. are not only wrong, but one major distraction from what is wrong–access, affordability, the continued stratification of our higher ed system. We need to strengthen and build up our system, not tear it down as they do.
One thing the Horowitz types have in common is that they’re slick. I’ve seen him on Book-TV, and last weekend or the one before they had a whole bunch of people from the politically incorrect series. They can rattle off “facts” in machine gun fashion (deliberate metaphor, since their facts are chosen to kill the opposition). Lefties rarely do this. It puts the latter at a disadvantage.
Does anyone know if there’s a coach that all the wingnuts use to buff their presentation skills?
We’ve been pocketing “gallimaufry” for a special occasion. Thanks for noticing!
As for Ward Churchill, his being gone isn’t going to stop the right from trying to smear the rest of academia with his reputation. ACTA’s doing their “best”, if their report How Many Ward Churchills? is indicative.
Craig @ Free Exchange @ 37
Check’s in the mail.
“Indeed, if you walk on to a college campus these days, you’ll probably find somewhere a good-faith discussion about how to ensure that conservative perspectives are heard. The truth of the matter is colleges and universities make every effort to promote the free exchange of ideas on campus. Sure, they sometimes stumble in this regard, but on the whole, college campuses are vibrant and cacophonous communities dedicated to the examination of a gallimaufry of ideas.”
As I recall the return of brothers, cousins, uncles and friends in body bags by the thousands can be a motivating factor. No draft yet! One terrorist attack away!
“They would discard the very thing that brings people from around the world to our colleges and universities.”
Bingo… When you can control the “young,” the first to dissent with overt civil disobedience, you are ahead of the game. Having lived and witnessed the horrors and polarization of the Vietnam War and its politics, there are more similarities with today’s events, than dissimilarities.
Every morning on the “Today Show” and the like, KIA’s MIA’s etc….. Press did it job reporting facts, not mouthpiece for leaders. I will never forget Kent State and the fact that American Student where gunned downed for protesting…….
The frustration I feel because of the abject malaise of America’s youth, preoccupied with the good things in life is made worse by the clear “brainwashing” taking place today.
Gulf of Tonkin was a fabrication just like Saddam’s WMDs. Vietnam was rubber and resources like Iraq is oil, etc…
The “Asselephants” never went away. Except this time it is worse. More overt, more sinister and more dangerous. To many people are keeping silent. This little voice in my head says…..”Its the economy, (price of gas) stupid.”
Further to my 35:
Globalization:
Oklahoma kiddo @ 24
Economically, Marx studied the effects of technology, which Smith ignored. Socially, both assumed 3 classes of people (different names, same roles). Philosophically (a minor part of what both worked on), they were both products of their time. Marx was actually more optimistic than the intervening figures of Ricardo and Malthus, while Smith was a child of privilege in a far easier time.
Left or right, Horowitz has always been a pompus authoritarian.
-GSD
Yep: They’re dangerous when Repugs are in power. The same war on two fronts: Congress and academia.
@ diogenes: I think one of the things that a lot of folks fail to realize is that there’s a lot of room in a university for a multiplicity of perspectives. Do we expect an anti-military perspective to be presented in a ROTC military science course? Would we expect a business professor to be a flaming commie? Of course not. I think it’s important to look at the diversity of ideas as something that isn’t isolated in one course, but across the whole of the university.
Bush’s gift to Gordon Brown says soooooooooooo much about how big an asshole he is.
Red writer @ 39
Great question! I don’t think most students are aware of these arguments and have to say I hope they don’t. Although groups like Students for Academic Freedom, Young America’s Foundation, the College R’s are trying to make it more of an issue on campus–like a bad ballot initiative!
I hope more is going on than just putting in time though and as someone who taught college for 7 years I would argue there is. But that should be about expanding knowledge not about these ideological fights.
eCAHNomics @ 32
That’s exactly what’s so great about the college experience as it allows for discussion between people of different views (at least for me as a college student) – you learn to see the truth in between the polemics.
And,
Red writer @ 39
That’s the great joke – I’m more worried about paying off my $10,000 debt, and as much as David Horowitz, et al claim to be helping me, he’s really not doing me any favors.
eCAHNomics @ 32
Perhaps. I suppose one could say I am a subscriber to Dialectic Materialism. Especially the parts about masters and slaves and class struggles.
GSD @ 48
Thanks for adding that dimension to the discussion. That’s an important element in the wingnut attack on the academy, which is a place where individual profs have a great deal of freedom to determine the content of their courses, instead of taking orders from an authority. Very threatening to authoritarians.
I have long argued that the R party doesn’t know a thing about economics because they have no idea what a real market would look like (you know, one with many competitors, none of whom have the power to influence the market, and with everyone-buyers & sellers-making up their own minds).
Red writer @ 39
In my day as a student, I didn’t worry about ideological battles over the classroom, but where I was going to find free or cheap beer.
pat_alexva @ 56
The ideological battles are more fun at the bar, anyways.
GordonM @ 47:
Precisely. This is why Marx was also a good theorist of globalization. The tandem of capitalism and technology are now working for each other, like Janus with two heads, in this regime of globalization. Technology has put numerous domestic jobs into flight, right into the global labor pool and into the fluidity of capital.
Chris, you’re right that the media and the University “are both institutions where criticisms of power can flourish, even if its not within the mainstream of these institutions.” But there’s still a problem with how we fund higher education. I’m afraid that Horowitz is going to wind up winning this argument not b/c he’s correct, but b/c the University is going to become merely a place of job training. As funding for higher ed is cut, academics who bring money into the University are going to increasingly dominate it, and as students are forced to rely more on loans, they’re going to feel more pressure to study subjects that can net them high paying jobs so they can get out of debt. We’re witnessing the erosion of the public sphere.
Biodun @ 46
Calls for globalization occured at the end of the Dutch and English empires. It’s not about trade at all, it’s about the elites being able to get their capital out of the country, and begin investing where labor is cheaper and gov’t more, er, pliable.
eCAHNomics @ 42
Yes. I read a feature in NYT within the last year, about a wingnut starting a school in Michigan (I think), where he wanted to train conservative “opinion leaders.” As if the 90% of the media they control isn’t enough!
Plus you have the Frank Duntz’s of the world, and there are quite a few of him now.
dharmamarx @ 59
I couldn’t agree with you more. That’s why the so-called “Academic Bill of Rights” campaign is so pernicious – it draws attention away from the massive public disinvestment in higher education. This not only restricts access in the first place, but restricts what people do with a college education (witness surveys which say that college grads want to have jobs that serve the public, but can’t afford to because of the relatively lower pay coupled with huge debt loads). We’re totally on the same page here.
eCAHNomics @ 55
And that professional control is exactly what they are after–get the legislature to interfere or the trustees (as if they are qualified to determine curriculum in a college-level course).
But I want to add one other point which is that faculty control of curriculum is not only under political attack, but a structural one as well. 70% of the people who teach in college now are contingent–part-time, adjuncts, contract employees or graduate employees. Horowitz wants everyone to think of college profs as senior faculty with tenure at major research institutions–just look at who he targets. That is simply not the case these days.
GordonM @ 47
One might assume which treatise the Bush family would feel more comfortable with. ;0)
What about rising tuition fees? If college is unavailable to many, what choices are there but retail, service, prison, and military?
Corporations and ‘ficticious personhood’ should, reasonably be included in Smith’s
‘Vile Maxim” of ‘devil take the hindmost . . .’
Chris @ Free Exchange @ 62
More than that – it’s an argument to defund them since they’re training your kids to be commie pinko deviants. Used the same tactic on public broadcasting which is now so scared of being accused of “liberal bias” they often look like Fox News without the shouting.
Marx stole the labor theory of value from Smith–
The two works aren’t that much in conflict- Wealth of Nations is primarily descriptive- Capital is prescriptive.
attaturk @ 51
I can’t wait for the jacket to show up on E-Bay.
-GSD
GordonM @ 60:
Again, precisely. First-world capitalists and local third-world elites work together to guarantee that third-world countries provide robust cheap labor and also relax regulations to allow maximal fluidity of capital.
cancer_cures @ 65
Exactly. There’s more important problems to deal with than pretending that professors are going to eat your children.
I could say a lot about the perverted economics of higher ed. In the early 90s, I did a standard analysis of inflation by ranking about 30 major components of the CPI from highest to lowest inflation over the past 25 years. IIRC, tobacco, an addictive product, topped the list.
Three others near the top were medical, legal, and higher ed. Q: What do these have in common? A: The knowledge gap between buyer & seller, which gives the seller economic power. Additionally, the buyer is vulnerable (sick, in trouble with the law, or making lifetime decisions), giving even more economic power to the seller. So I called the trio the “mafia of the intelligentsia.”
Since that is a powerful market imperfection (using econ jargon but you all know what I mean), there is no market outcome that would be desirable. Don’t want to argue right now about what should be done about it, but it’s very clear that doing nothing-the U.S. case-gives an service that is increasingly oriented to the rich.
GordonM @ 67
Absolutely, we are already hearing about institutions and faculty who are self-censoring, particularly those faculty mebers who have no job protections. We are fighting this fight because even if they don’t get their legislation passed they can have a real negative impact on one of this country’s greatest assests.
Chris @ Free Exchange @ 71
Those of us who have had Lit. Professors who teach Jonathan Swift will find that assessment of the situation particularly amusing. Call it a Modest Proposal, if you will.
Fabulous discussion; may an age of nuance and curiousity fluorish!
Academia as market economy:
Read Sande Cohen’s Academia and the Luster of Capital, which I published in 1993 when I was a senior editor at the Univeristy of Minnesota Press.
rwcole @ 68
Completely agree.
Republicans use the terms Free Markets and Capitalism as a ruse. Earmarks, subsidies, lop-sided trade agreements, no-bid crony contracts, bailing out airlines and dozens of other tricks that funnel public money to friends in Industry has no correlation with free markets. Rush Limbaugh has thousands (millions?) of listeners convinced that it does.
brendan @ 6
On Summers -absolutely true, and those who opposed him were criticized as being anti-semitic.
hackworth @ 78
See me @ 55. Real markets would be threatening to wingnuts.
The true horror is conflating Capitalism with Democracy, and ‘free enterprise’ with ‘freedom’. Most often, they are inimical, one to the other.
rwcole @ 68:
Further to my 77:
What about the rise of private (for profit) colleges and universities? What can be attributed to this?
OKK – now I get where you’re coming from. See there’s “capitalism” – the economic theory based on fair prices, open information, full access… Then there’s “capitalism” – the money game played by the Capitalist class involving none of the above.
(Similarly there’s communism as practiced by Stalin, and communism as practiced by the Amish.)
Wow! Check it out! In a thread about academia, an academic discussion broke out! Who could’ve seen that coming?!?
cancer_cures @ 82
See me @ 72. Shorter version: they raise tuitions because they can.
David Horowitz is absolutely right. For the last 100 years trustees at major foundations (Carnegie, Ford, Guggenheim, Rockefeller, others) have encouraged the rewriting of American History to reflect collectivism. Their goal was to control all education and thus indoctrinate young minds to live in a New World Order of collective countries. A constitutional government stood in their way, and still does, but the Trustees of the NWO have made startling progress in just the last few years. The AAUW has most effectively bent the good works of our Founding Fathers into their concept of a relativistic Dream World based on the lowest common denominator.
OT, SJC hearings going on with Republicans introducing amendment after amendment and losing and losing.
David W. Bartoo @ 81
It all depends on who controls the mode of production. Through democracy, there can be a power takeover of this control: This is precisely what the left blogosphere (pace FDL) is currently trying to do. This is what all you FDLers who are pissed as hell, and who have made countless phone calls to critters, sent faxes, and donated to ActBlue are currently trying to do.
Bluetoe @ 87
link?
eCAHNomics @ 72
You know, that is soo true.
from variations thereof back through the history of civilization.
cancer_cures @ 84
Well, the earlier comments about shifting to a purely training and vocational model of education (which I agree is going on) is one piece. Another, hard to ignore, is the huge spending going on by the Career College Association which lobbies on behalf of the for-profits. And then, it seems, that they also tap into the “get it done quick” mentality (get your degree in two months while you are really doing sonmething else!).
All that said, there have been so many scandals as late–and I mean for-profit school scandals, not just student loan scandals–that I think we will see some more oversight in this area as well.
David W. Bartoo @ 81
that is our horror
An outstanding and well articulated post.
I just want to add a few points.
Universities typically avoid the difficulty of fighting Academic freedom, when trying to limit the work of progressive ideas and faculty. It is so much easier to not give promotions or pay raises. Instead the pay raises and promotions are given ( not earned ) by the faculty that blindly preach the position endorsed by the administration.
Administrations, parents, students, and many faculty prefer the simple task of training to that of educating the student. Most of the aforementioned groups don’t even know the difference between training and education.
Four of the Republican nominees for President admit they do not believe in evolution. There is no idea/concept/theorem that requires experimental verification that has more support than evolution. More money, groups, individuals, and countries over many decades have presented solid evidence of evoulution than any other concept.
Under Hussein colleges and education were supported. During the Bush occupation, faculty are being murdered and many faculty have left Iraq for fear of their life.
The situation in Afghanistan is horrible. Girls are being killed for attempting to go to school. It is against the rule of the Taliban for girls to read.
Of course the Republicans are opposed to all education. An intelligant and educated person could not possibly accept the trash they spew out.
Craig @91,
Can you give a few examples of these scandals? (I graduated from one of these for-profit technical/vocational university and have raked up quite some debt)
Chris @ Free Exchange @ 85
Only at FDL. This community is full of admirable people who are highly accomplished, IMHO. Just as long as we’re not launching ad hominem attacks on one another, which happens if only infrequently. As I said above: pissed FDLers. But we know who the real enemy is.
cancer_cures @ 82
Wealthy Repubs do not want to pay for public education. Many millionaires have saved $100,000 a year with the Bush tax cuts. They can easily afford college tuition for their children with their decreased taxes. All others of course have paid more in taxes to make up the shortfall.
All:
I have to leave the discussion, but just wanted to say thanks to all who were here to give us your thoughts–hope to see you over sometime at Free Exchange as well!
Best everyone–
Craig
Craig @ Free Exchange @ 97
Thanks for launching a very interesting discussion.
OT: This is my theme today: Let’s get H Res 589
moving along.
I looked at the list of current reps on ActBlue and None of the reps we support the most are co-sponsors Here is the list I have:
Steve Cohen
Jerry McNerney
Patrick Murphy
Carol Shea-Porter
Hilda Solis
Here is the list of co-sponsors.
I have to think there is something wrong with this picture. All of these folks should be signing on.
Call and write them along with your own rep. Keep the pressure on.
I M P E A C H !!!!
eCAHNomics @ 72:
Medical, legal, higher ed:
Yep. Medicine, law, knowledge. That about wraps it up.
rocket scientist @ 93
I don’t know that it’s rewards based on pleasing the administration, but from the beginning of grad school, academics learn where their bread is buttered – what the hot fields within a discipline are, what the accepted theoretical and methodological approaches are, etc. In many fields, this can have a conservative effect (conservative as it relates to the discipline, not in terms of any sort of politics, although good research that takes on political subjects might run afoul of this academic conservatism). There are numerous pressures within academia which circumscribe what is studied, and how it is approached.
cancer_cures @ 94
OK–gotta run, but start here and then link into the investigation into Career Ed. Corp–that should get you started.
Biodun @ 95
That’s why I love this site – although I enjoy it most of the time as a lurker.
Biodun @ 88
Yes. However, what is the functional role of an economic system in terms of the genuine needs of the society it serves? Just changing the names at the TOP does NOT examine, on its face, either intent or consequence. In other words, merely changing the hands on the reins does not answer what or for whom this horse is working. We need that discussion.
BTW, your words and bio are most impressive and
much appreciated. Of course, I agree with you at about 95%.
Have I, once again, had the last word?
Cue Beatles’ ‘Hello – Goodbye’.
David W. Bartoo @ 104
I’m happy with the explanation given on the first day of Ec 1: Economics is the study of the allocation of scarce resources, with the idea that the more efficienly they’re allocated, the better the economy performs. Income distribution is partly, though not fully, subsumed in that description, since one could hardly argue that allocating a lot of resources in a concentrated way would be efficient.
eCAHNomics @ 86
Universities raise tuitions only under two conditions. One, economic times are bad and so they are strapped for cash. Two, economic times are good so students can afford to pay more. Other than that universities do not raise tuitions and it is a great contumely to say they do.
Hugh @ 107
I bow to your superior knowledge.
BTW, I misread the comment I was replying to, which was on a different topic. Plz forgive the brain fart.
David W. Bartoo @ 105:
Thanks for the compliment. Agree that changing the hands at the reins is not enough. Presumably, those taking over power would (or should) have a different set of values and ideologies.
eCAHN @ 106
Yes. But where in the real world have we seen this applied? Historically, land-based resources, for example, have been exploited EXTENSIVELY. Until there is a genuine resource inventory of ’scarce resources’ and long-term management policies compelling an INTENSIVE use of these resources, as well as humane and just valuation of labor, my que3stion stands.
Biodun I would feel much happier where you and eCAHn and Oklahoma Kiddo consulted in that regard. You I would trust. The problem is not
Government it is politicians (and those who ‘elect’ them). How can we trust people who pay more to buy their office than they can earn? Strange economics there.
I have not been speaking to the theoretical
’study’ of economics, but, rather the actual
nature of our economic system as it exists.
Any who would suggest that they would do things differently are, it would seem, duty-bound to explain their ideas clearly and openly. Too much is at stake to merely have
faith, without some evidence. That’s how we got into this untenable position. At issue is nothing less than the capacity of our planet to support life, including our lives.
OK. Signed up for the exchange. Saw the post on the rather bizarre article The Economic Crisis in Higher Education By Dr. Mark W. Hendrickson and bit the bullet. I don’t know where to begin on the “Asian studies” part. This person has a problem with the humanities. Well Asian studies to my mind means studying the humanities, e.g. Classical Chinese or Japanese poetry, the History of Buddhism, Confucianism &etc. I hope this person is not advocating some sort of ethnographic/anthropolgical approach to the “Asian” person.
Creepy and creepier. Thanks for pointing all this stuff out Tula and friends: David Horowitz, Lynne Cheney, & now I have to find a warm safe place. Or maybe that will be hard to if David Horowitz is creeping around college towns.
@Mui:
sounds like you aren’t cut out for the kind of scholarship they are offering up at Grove City! Glad you found the post, um, of interest.
If people like Horowitz and Cheney had their dreams come true, we would already be a third world nation. As it is, it’s taking a little longer than they planned.
Craig @ Free Exchange @ 115
How much damage do you think David Horowitz and his ilk can do? I thought his “101 most dangerous professors” or whatever it was called was laughable. But the hysterical McCarthyite tone of these people worries me. Sometimes it’s people who harangue the loudest, who get heard (& believed.) Should we be worried?
attaturk @ 51
I saw the jacket. It’s merch. Bush gave Gordon Brown some “Mission Accomplished” merch. Bush would have done better to give Brown a MC Rove concert T .
mui @ 117
On the one hand, Horowitz is a joke, and his “research” is easily knocked down (check out the Horowitz Fact Checker at the Free Exchange site). On the other hand, he is plugged in to the Right Wing Wurlitzer and is incredibly well-funded, which gives him a platform to shout his lunatic ravings. Unfortunately, over the last 6 years we’ve seen that the sheer force of repetition can create public perceptions that are far-removed from any sort of reality. We have to counter his message in the public. The advantages we have are a motivated grassroots and netroots and (more importantly) actual facts.
It’s the stupidity, stupid!
I make $1800 a section a semester. Maybe, all told, $10 an hour.
If some conservatives would quit their jobs at the investment bank and come over here to State U and work (without benefits, sick time, pension, vacation time) for $10 an hour, hey, then they could promulgate their own beliefs all they want.
I’m not holding my breath. Only liberals would work for such lousy pay, because we think we are privileged to be able to do good in teaching our nation’s young people how to think and read and write and all that.
But frankly, it’s their own greed that’s keeping them from being allowed to indoctrinate America’s youth. It just doesn’t pay well enough.
P.S. I am ridiculously scrupulous, btw, to keep my own political beliefs out of the classroom, if only because I know there’s always some student who would take it to the dean. Heck, I might be fired from my well-paying job, huh?
The magazine cover is funny. Not only is the professor a “Red,” but he looks like a…you know….