… the probable fate of those Soviet Air Force officers who didn’t stop a civilian plane from landing in Moscow in, ‘85 or ‘86, IIRC.

That incident is one which made me think the West was testing Soviet defense responses and it might’ve been related to 9/11 in that there is a lingering bit of logic that we didn’t respond ‘in full’ on 9/11 to avoid showing our REAL full response to a nation-threatening attack.

Obviously the Soviets might’ve not seen the German aircraft (being small and flying low and not being loaded with bombs). But, can we use the same logic here, to say we knew the airplanes weren’t a threat? Can we say we simply won’t ever hit a civilian commercial airplane?

There are a lot of layers and b.s. surrounding 9/11. And, that, if nothing else, is what makes me think we were completely aware of the coming attack and allowed it to happen.

OTOH, that doesn’t mean that every unit of our response people (INS, CIA, FBI, FAA, NoRAD, etc.) were aware of all the aspects and logical explanations for the WHOLE event. I mean, nobody could’ve expected the WTC towers to collapse from a couple of airplane hits and kill around 3000 people. Nobody would’ve predicted that.

But…somebody probably planned it.

Of course, the government people and many outside it will keep their secret(s) to death. They have faith. Others will be scared to tell. And, some will be paid off or killed.

What I would like to know is if it’s possible for anyone to REALIZE they are keeping a secret about how our government runs things away from the People, who are supposed to be in charge. Where is their fealty to the People? Why does nobody trust the People with this?

I think it’s a semper fi attitude which keeps the conspiracy together and it’s the political leaders who know/knew who are the ones to talk — and Bush ain’t talkin’.

So, if the public want a full accounting they have to ‘hire’ new ‘management’ and dig into the story. If it’s as well hidden as the Tillman thing, then it’ll unravel in a jif.

Choose carefully!

My impression of Myers was, sadly, set in stone on 9/11-No Air Force response of any kind, although SOP in event of a highjacking is to launch fighters. “Somebody put a cell phone in my hand, and the decision was made at that point to start launching aircraft”, he said. After the fact-
He should have been court-martialed. Immediately.

Before 9/11 the law was changed (by whom, I’d like to know) so that the NoRAD head would no longer be the person who decides when to intercept civilian airliners. That responsibility became the Sec. of Defense’s — Rumsfeld on 9/11.

Who changed the law?
Why?
Why did Rumsfeld not get it done on 9/11?

In short, who knew it was coming and why did they order the ’stand down’?

Did anyone find the end of the hearing as hilarious as I did? The dates were laid out when they knew about that Tillman had died due to friendly fire and then one after another they all bail on the dates (which I assume they themselves supplied). All this even though they all knew about it before the story came to public attention.

They don’t know, don’t recall, and don’t take responsibility. And these are supposed to be the serious grownups. Sheesh!

If ANYBODY EVER says Dems are weaker on Defense than Republicans…

If not, why not? Don’t they watch “Forensic Files”?

It was nice to see Rumsfeld so cheerful after killing and maiming many thousands of people.

The sad truth that is becoming more and more obvious is that this country, for all practical purposes, has been under corporate military rule since 9/11/2001 and perhaps even since 11/22/1963. LBJ got paid big time from Halliburtin. There is nothing new under the sun. The congress isn’t doing its job, there has to be a reason for that and I don’t like the most obvious answer.

If you want to really get down to it, Dresser Industries, the first company George H W Bush “worked” for before forming Zapata Oil in 1953 with the help of the CIA, was bought by Brown and Root before it ws merged with Kellogg to become KBR. So Poppy’s ties to all the war profiteers in this and previous wars is pretty much clear-cut.

Which has always led me to believe that GHWB was very, very involved in the events of Dallas 1963. Cui bono, one of the questions good investigator asks when investigating a serious crime. The main beneficiaries of the JFK assassination from day one, have been the Bush family. Even the petty hatred that Bush Jr displayed toward the Special Olympics because the Kennedy family sponsors it, is very telling.

Bushes hate the Kennedys because the Kennedys, even though old Joe made a good portion of his fortune through Prohibition, have always had the idea that people are what count in this country, not money or corporate interests, people. Of course, Sargent Shriver must be turning over in his grave thinking of Maria married to the Nazi, but for the most part Kennedys know the meaning of noblesse oblige.

If only the Tillmans could have asked the guestions we might have gotten somewhere. I don’t know if even these bona fide know-nothing generals could have lied to them.

Rumsfeld writes to White (?) that he wants White to keep an eye on celebrity Pat (can’t remember the exact words) but no one follows up on that? Give me a break. Rumsfeld did recite the written document almost verbatim but deftly omits the part about keeping an eye on Pat. Damn.

One thing we have learned at hearing after hearing is that the Republics can’t see that any crimes were committed anywhere by anyone and that’s why there was no oversight while they were in charge. But just wait until they have the power to investigate Democrats again. Who votes for these weasels?

They did not talk about what happened AT ALL.

& tnx x 2