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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/01/late-nite-fdl-falling-down/#comment-866995</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-866128&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Japandrew @ 339&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;In some hideous inversion of Gandhi’s “Be the change you want to see,” has America become the disaster movie it always wanted to see?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope not and I don’t think it is.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the 1980s when our economy was seriously depressed there were a lot of depressed people too. The music and movies and politics reflected that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Today, after the Clinton era of peace and prosperity and post-Soviet-relief, the people want to be relaxed and just live well. But, we’re all on this bus being driven by a bunch of Crazies and we can’t get them to let go of the controls.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, no, I don’t think it’s a reflection of the people. Today’s story is just normal people whose lives are upturned by some crazy event.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-866128"><em>Japandrew @ 339</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>In some hideous inversion of Gandhi’s “Be the change you want to see,” has America become the disaster movie it always wanted to see?</p>
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<p>I hope not and I don’t think it is.</p>
<p>In the 1980s when our economy was seriously depressed there were a lot of depressed people too. The music and movies and politics reflected that.</p>
<p>Today, after the Clinton era of peace and prosperity and post-Soviet-relief, the people want to be relaxed and just live well. But, we’re all on this bus being driven by a bunch of Crazies and we can’t get them to let go of the controls.</p>
<p>So, no, I don’t think it’s a reflection of the people. Today’s story is just normal people whose lives are upturned by some crazy event.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/01/late-nite-fdl-falling-down/#comment-866962</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-865607&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;eCAHNomics @ 156&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-865586&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TheOtherWA @ 135&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First, they have to FIND him to serve the subpoena. Hasn’t happened yet.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just emailed my army major efriend, asking him what the deal on Kensinger is. Doesn’t seem very military to me, let alone Special Forces, to run away from a process server. Heck, if that’s all it takes to rout the U.S. military, then OBL needs to sue them. What a f***ing coward.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now now. Be nice. He might be one of those few men of character and, unlike the “I don’t recall.” types, may have gone to the committee through a back door or maybe he knew he’d done a terrible thing and just hung himself. Let’s wait and see a bit more before jumping to conclusions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-865607"><em>eCAHNomics @ 156</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-865586"><em>TheOtherWA @ 135</em></a></p>
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<p>First, they have to FIND him to serve the subpoena. Hasn’t happened yet.</p>
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<p>Just emailed my army major efriend, asking him what the deal on Kensinger is. Doesn’t seem very military to me, let alone Special Forces, to run away from a process server. Heck, if that’s all it takes to rout the U.S. military, then OBL needs to sue them. What a f***ing coward.</p>
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<p>Now now. Be nice. He might be one of those few men of character and, unlike the “I don’t recall.” types, may have gone to the committee through a back door or maybe he knew he’d done a terrible thing and just hung himself. Let’s wait and see a bit more before jumping to conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: squiddy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/01/late-nite-fdl-falling-down/#comment-866947</link>
		<dc:creator>squiddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-866871&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;MarkH @ 346&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-865575&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;yellowdog jim @ 124&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;… so HOW is he not getting, like, arrested for stiffing a subpoena?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Being a well-trained soldier he’s actively hiding from US Marshals.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amazing, eh?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No problem, just dangle a cushy, lucrative ‘revolving door’ military contractor job in the air and wait 2 1/2 minutes.  Works with the Air Force every time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-866871"><em>MarkH @ 346</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-865575"><em>yellowdog jim @ 124</em></a></p>
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<p>… so HOW is he not getting, like, arrested for stiffing a subpoena?</p>
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<p>Being a well-trained soldier he’s actively hiding from US Marshals.</p>
<p>Amazing, eh?</p>
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<p>No problem, just dangle a cushy, lucrative ‘revolving door’ military contractor job in the air and wait 2 1/2 minutes.  Works with the Air Force every time.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/01/late-nite-fdl-falling-down/#comment-866871</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-865575&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;yellowdog jim @ 124&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-865538&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;OldCoastie @ 88&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
… OT - did they ever locate the General who refused to show up for the Tillman hearing today?&lt;br /&gt;
…
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;… so HOW is he not getting, like, arrested for stiffing a subpoena?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Being a well-trained soldier he’s actively hiding from US Marshals.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amazing, eh?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-865575"><em>yellowdog jim @ 124</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-865538"><em>OldCoastie @ 88</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>
… OT &#8211; did they ever locate the General who refused to show up for the Tillman hearing today?<br />
…
</p>
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<p>… so HOW is he not getting, like, arrested for stiffing a subpoena?</p>
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<p>Being a well-trained soldier he’s actively hiding from US Marshals.</p>
<p>Amazing, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/01/late-nite-fdl-falling-down/#comment-866865</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-865572&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;argosfalcon @ 121&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Here something not to say on a political blog, who on the Dem.s side do you think can work on both repairing our foreign policy and reputation, and repair whats broken in America?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s usually congressional leaders who are inspired to spend federal dollars locally and any Dem president would go along with that kind of legislation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The biggest differences are when you have a Repub Congress and they spend money on ‘a bridge to nowhere’, rather than on real bridges.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-865572"><em>argosfalcon @ 121</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Here something not to say on a political blog, who on the Dem.s side do you think can work on both repairing our foreign policy and reputation, and repair whats broken in America?</p>
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<p>It’s usually congressional leaders who are inspired to spend federal dollars locally and any Dem president would go along with that kind of legislation.</p>
<p>The biggest differences are when you have a Repub Congress and they spend money on ‘a bridge to nowhere’, rather than on real bridges.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/01/late-nite-fdl-falling-down/#comment-866839</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-865450&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;BigMitch @ 8&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Congratulations on introducing a blog about infrastructure breakdown with a 404 error message. Subtle, yet very effective.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is there a specific “Bridge not found” error message?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-865450"><em>BigMitch @ 8</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Congratulations on introducing a blog about infrastructure breakdown with a 404 error message. Subtle, yet very effective.</p>
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<p>Is there a specific “Bridge not found” error message?</p>
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		<title>By: squiddy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/01/late-nite-fdl-falling-down/#comment-866793</link>
		<dc:creator>squiddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey all,&lt;br /&gt;
  I forwarded a report last night of the engineers saying it had been cleared for safety the last two years in a row.  Twelve hours later they’re talking about a history of deficiencies.  (sigh)  Whatever happened to being forthright?  (purely rhetorical question)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  Something caught my eye in the CNN.com image gallery.  Photo #8 shows a considerable cluster of rust at one of the plated joiner sections that failed, while the rest of the girders show a good amount of green anti-rust primercoat.  I couldn’t possibly say either way whether this was cause or effect, just looks a little curious.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey all,<br />
  I forwarded a report last night of the engineers saying it had been cleared for safety the last two years in a row.  Twelve hours later they’re talking about a history of deficiencies.  (sigh)  Whatever happened to being forthright?  (purely rhetorical question)</p>
<p>  Something caught my eye in the CNN.com image gallery.  Photo #8 shows a considerable cluster of rust at one of the plated joiner sections that failed, while the rest of the girders show a good amount of green anti-rust primercoat.  I couldn’t possibly say either way whether this was cause or effect, just looks a little curious.</p>
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		<title>By: samosamo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/01/late-nite-fdl-falling-down/#comment-866763</link>
		<dc:creator>samosamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Who has the time to worry about replacing a damn old bridge that rates a whopping 50 on a scale of 1-120 for stability(’bridges just don’t collapse’) and was deamed needing replacement in 2005. That money was needed in more valuable places, like corporate pockets.&lt;br /&gt;
And I do wonder who’s idea to allow bigger and heavier(way over the weight limit) trucks to not just crawl along at the speed limit across a but to run at top speeds across flimsey structures such as this one for the sake of more money in the pocket. Surely not the companies that own these trucks or the law enforcement departments that are paid to look the other way at the NASTRUCK races happening in this country every hour of every day.&lt;br /&gt;
It must rest on the shoulders of the middle classes people in this country. After all our government with the blessings of the corporations are quickly coming around to the ‘fact’ that the middle class are the true terrorists in the world.&lt;br /&gt;
Sleep well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who has the time to worry about replacing a damn old bridge that rates a whopping 50 on a scale of 1-120 for stability(’bridges just don’t collapse’) and was deamed needing replacement in 2005. That money was needed in more valuable places, like corporate pockets.<br />
And I do wonder who’s idea to allow bigger and heavier(way over the weight limit) trucks to not just crawl along at the speed limit across a but to run at top speeds across flimsey structures such as this one for the sake of more money in the pocket. Surely not the companies that own these trucks or the law enforcement departments that are paid to look the other way at the NASTRUCK races happening in this country every hour of every day.<br />
It must rest on the shoulders of the middle classes people in this country. After all our government with the blessings of the corporations are quickly coming around to the ‘fact’ that the middle class are the true terrorists in the world.<br />
Sleep well.</p>
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		<title>By: Whatadumbass</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/01/late-nite-fdl-falling-down/#comment-866511</link>
		<dc:creator>Whatadumbass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here is what Dr. Deborah Frisch is saying at “harbaughboyz.blogspot.com”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“There are two main hypotheses about the cause of yesterday’s bridge collapse in Minneapolis - terrorism or accident. There are two types of terrorists - domestic (Tim McVeigh, Ted Kaczynski) and imported (9/11 hombres). Some domestic terrorists are disenfranchised Republicans (McVeigh) and others are disenfranchised Democrats (Kaczynski).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So there are four main hypotheses:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a. accident&lt;br /&gt;
b. foreign terrrorist&lt;br /&gt;
c. domestic rightwing terrorist&lt;br /&gt;
d. domestic leftwing terrorist&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m almost 100% sure it was an intentional act of sabotage and not an accident and it makes me rethink my assumption that the collapse in Berkeley a few months ago was an accident.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So it’s b, c or d and given that both locations are pretty liberal, I’d say we’re looking at a type d terrorist attack.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is what Dr. Deborah Frisch is saying at “harbaughboyz.blogspot.com”</p>
<p>“There are two main hypotheses about the cause of yesterday’s bridge collapse in Minneapolis &#8211; terrorism or accident. There are two types of terrorists &#8211; domestic (Tim McVeigh, Ted Kaczynski) and imported (9/11 hombres). Some domestic terrorists are disenfranchised Republicans (McVeigh) and others are disenfranchised Democrats (Kaczynski).</p>
<p>So there are four main hypotheses:</p>
<p>a. accident<br />
b. foreign terrrorist<br />
c. domestic rightwing terrorist<br />
d. domestic leftwing terrorist</p>
<p>I’m almost 100% sure it was an intentional act of sabotage and not an accident and it makes me rethink my assumption that the collapse in Berkeley a few months ago was an accident.</p>
<p>So it’s b, c or d and given that both locations are pretty liberal, I’d say we’re looking at a type d terrorist attack.”</p>
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		<title>By: soolen</title>
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		<dc:creator>soolen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I live in Minneapolis, my city of ruins.   Fingers will be pointing, that’s for sure, but no one will point a finger at the mayor as this has nothing at all to do with him. I-35 is a federal highway. The bridge got middling ratings from federal inspectors a few years ago, I believe a 4-5 on a 1-9 scale. Not bad enough to close it, but indicating it needed structural work. (And the work being done was on the decking, not the structure.) It’s tempting to point the finger at our Shrub wannabee veto-happy governor, who steadfastly clings to his no-taxes pledge (though institutes “fees” instead) as the state collapses into mediocrity like this bridge, but this bridge wasn’t his responsibility either — though he just got lucky that it wasn’t.&lt;br /&gt;
I point my finger at the no-tax, shrink-the-government attitude of the govenor and Busco and far too many Americans these days. They don’t want to pay a dime to improve education or healthcare for kids, or help rebuild New Orleans after Katrina (all those lazy poor folks should get off their beignet butts and get to work) until their own ox gets gored. “Shit — I coulda been on that bridge, why didn’t somebody do something?”  Terrorists can just sit back and watch us implode from the inside.  Nice work, Bushco.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Minneapolis, my city of ruins.   Fingers will be pointing, that’s for sure, but no one will point a finger at the mayor as this has nothing at all to do with him. I-35 is a federal highway. The bridge got middling ratings from federal inspectors a few years ago, I believe a 4-5 on a 1-9 scale. Not bad enough to close it, but indicating it needed structural work. (And the work being done was on the decking, not the structure.) It’s tempting to point the finger at our Shrub wannabee veto-happy governor, who steadfastly clings to his no-taxes pledge (though institutes “fees” instead) as the state collapses into mediocrity like this bridge, but this bridge wasn’t his responsibility either — though he just got lucky that it wasn’t.<br />
I point my finger at the no-tax, shrink-the-government attitude of the govenor and Busco and far too many Americans these days. They don’t want to pay a dime to improve education or healthcare for kids, or help rebuild New Orleans after Katrina (all those lazy poor folks should get off their beignet butts and get to work) until their own ox gets gored. “Shit — I coulda been on that bridge, why didn’t somebody do something?”  Terrorists can just sit back and watch us implode from the inside.  Nice work, Bushco.</p>
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