Christy!!!!!!!

BushCo = The Gang That Couldn’t Talk Straight

Real redheads get the best zeds!

sweet home chicago

Have fun for those of us left behind!!

Seen ‘em live at Cornell.

I just let downstairs know to come up!

BigMitch @ 6

Seen ‘em live at Cornell.

did you go to Cornell?

Does anyone know exactly how many people are expected to attend?

Elliott @ 8

BigMitch @ 6

Seen ‘em live at Cornell.

did you go to Cornell?

Harpur College, SUNY Binghamton, Binghamton U, as it has been variously known.

BigMitch @ 10

Elliott @ 8

did you go to Cornell?

Harpur College, SUNY Binghamton, Binghamton U, as it has been variously known.

Ahh, sorry didn’t mean to be too personal.

EPU’d, but I heard downstairs that BigMitch was on the radio in Alaska.

Go Big Mitch!

AZ Matt @ 5

Have fun for those of us left behind!!

Did the rapture happen during my nap?

So, I’m off to Chicago for YKos. I know a number of you are headed there as well — looking forward to seeing some of you again. And to meeting a number of you for the first time.

- I am SO sad, almost jealous. Lotsa work to do elsewhere, though, and with the technology we’re learning to harness serving those of us who can’t be there, this event may WILL make some serious American political history.

BigMitch @ 6

Seen ‘em live at Cornell.

Seen ‘em live at Aloha Stadium…

Who’s the leader? I detect lots of dissatisfaction here on FDL. Who is the leader who will lead us forward?

Woodhall Hollow @ 12

EPU’d, but I heard downstairs that BigMitch was on the radio in Alaska.

Go Big Mitch!

E.T. is too modest to mention that he kicked ass on radio today, too. Our station was double-teamed by fire-pups.

Joe Klein’s conscience @ 9

Does anyone know exactly how many people are expected to attend?

I’m telling ya, a significant chunk of the Lake is either; prepping, in transit, and/or, getting situated in Chi-Town! Seriously testing it’s ‘Broad Shoulders’ mythology!!! *g*

My music recommendation for anyone attending YKos:

If you’re looking for a “Chicago experience,” I suggest seeing local blues band the Kinsey Report at Buddy Guy’s Legends (754 S. Wabash,
about 2 miles north of the convention site) on Friday night at 10:30.

I won’t be there (I’m doing something else with friends who live in Chicago), but I’ve seen the band a couple of times over the years, and
they’re excellent. I’ll bet some other Firepups here can back me up on this.

Yeah. And thanks for those holding the lake together : PW LHP and mods.

So which panel is Bill O’Reilly gonna be on…?

Jonathan @ 15

Who’s the leader? I detect lots of dissatisfaction here on FDL. Who is the leader who will lead us forward?

(pointing) He’s over there. Or maybe it’s a she, I’m not sure.

dakine01 @ 14

BigMitch @ 6

Seen ‘em live at Cornell.

Seen ‘em live at Aloha Stadium…

When was that, Bra?

Pat Leahy from TPM:

“The Attorney General’s legalistic explanation of his misleading testimony under oath before the Senate Judiciary Committee last week is not what one should expect from the top law enforcement officer of the United States. It is time for full candor to enforce the law and promote justice, rather than word parsing.

“The Attorney General has until the end of this week to correct and supplement his testimony. I hope he will take that opportunity to clarify the many issues on which he appears not to have been forthcoming and to tell the Senate Judiciary Committee and the American people the whole truth.”

Ed*ard Teller @ 20

So which panel is Bill O’Reilly gonna be on…?

707!

Jonathan @ 15

Who’s the leader? I detect lots of dissatisfaction here on FDL. Who is the leader who will lead us forward?

when the people lead, the leaders will follow.

Mavis Staples was born in Chicago.

Jonathan @ 15

Who’s the leader? I detect lots of dissatisfaction here on FDL. Who is the leader who will lead us forward?

dunno ’bout ours, but i hear this is the Republican dark horse

Swopa @ 18

My music recommendation for anyone attending YKos:

If you’re looking for a “Chicago experience,” I suggest seeing local blues band the Kinsey Report at Buddy Guy’s Legends (754 S. Wabash,
about 2 miles north of the convention site) on Friday night at 10:30.

I won’t be there (I’m doing something else with friends who live in Chicago), but I’ve seen the band a couple of times over the years, and
they’re excellent. I’ll bet some other Firepups here can back me up on this.

Swopa, Do you know the name of the bar Jr. Wells bar tended and played in for many years? Is it still open?

I’m really excited for everyone and wish I could be there.

I’m two weeks into a full kitchen remodel and will undoubtedly be scrambling to paint primer on new walls and ceilings this weekend before the floor guy arrives next. My proud raft of existence in what used to be my home is getting pretty tattered, but I am reminded daily that things could be worse.

Onward and Upward !

.

BigMitch @ 23

Pat Leahy from TPM:

“The Attorney General’s legalistic explanation of his misleading testimony under oath before the Senate Judiciary Committee last week is not what one should expect from the top law enforcement officer of the United States. It is time for full candor to enforce the law and promote justice, rather than word parsing.

“The Attorney General has until the end of this week to correct and supplement his testimony. I hope he will take that opportunity to clarify the many issues on which he appears not to have been forthcoming and to tell the Senate Judiciary Committee and the American people the whole truth.”

Shorter version: Spell it out baby, in plain English (if you can).

I vote for “Sweet Home Chicago” runner up would be Sinatra’s “Chicago”

Is there a moderator I could email. I tried earlier and it hasn’t worked out on this very busy day for FDL. Still, is there a moderator I could email?

BigMitch @ 23

Pat Leahy from TPM:

“The Attorney General’s legalistic explanation of his misleading testimony under oath before the Senate Judiciary Committee last week is not what one should expect from the top law enforcement officer of the United States. It is time for full candor to enforce the law and promote justice, rather than word parsing.

“The Attorney General has until the end of this week to correct and supplement his testimony. I hope he will take that opportunity to clarify the many issues on which he appears not to have been forthcoming and to tell the Senate Judiciary Committee and the American people the whole truth.”

Translation “Let’s revisit this after recess.”

Bluetoe @ 31

I vote for “Sweet Home Chicago” runner up would be Sinatra’s “Chicago”

I’ve grown to depise Ol Blues Eyes’ “New York, New York”!!! I wonder why…??? ;-)

Eureka Springs @ 28

Swopa, Do you know the name of the bar Jr. Wells bar tended and played in for many years? Is it still open?

Oh, you mean do I really know my Chicago blues lore?

Ummm… er… uhh… no, I don’t.

CTuttle @ 22

dakine01 @ 14

Seen ‘em live at Aloha Stadium…

When was that, Bra?

IIRC it was in ‘79. Since I was out there 9/78 – 8/82 it limits the field a bit. A local group called Teaser opened (Teaser opened frequently for mainland groups).

CTuttle @ 34

Bluetoe @ 31

I vote for “Sweet Home Chicago” runner up would be Sinatra’s “Chicago”

I’ve grown to depise Ol Blues Eyes’ “New York, New York”!!! I wonder why…??? ;-)

That reminds me. I better check the scores.

Boston1775 @ 32

Is there a moderator I could email. I tried earlier and it hasn’t worked out on this very busy day for FDL. Still, is there a moderator I could email?

are you in face book? there is a “fdl moderators” in the fdl group… you might try that.

is it an emergency? (can it wait until next week when everyone is home from chicago)

AZ Matt @ 5

Have fun for those of us left behind!!

I’m still worried about this left behind stuff. I’ve gotta hit the freeway from south of Seattle to North Seattle at rush hour, which is bad, but if there are empty cars out there….. oh, wait – this is Seattle – not to worry.

Slothrop @ 26

Mavis Staples was born in Chicago.

Yes, and she has a new album out, with protest songs. We Shall Not Turn Back, or something like that.

Ed*ard Teller @ 39

AZ Matt @ 5

Have fun for those of us left behind!!

I’m still worried about this left behind stuff. I’ve gotta hit the freeway from south of Seattle to North Seattle at rush hour, which is bad, but if there are empty cars out there….. oh, wait – this is Seattle – not to worry.

Drive carefully!

Ok, not going to Chicago, but I’m giving out some Chigago Blues for y’all…

swopa,
I see your Buddy Guy’s Legends and rais
Fred Anderson’s Velvet Lounge
http://www.velvetlounge.net/
Jazz, AACM style

mack @ 27

Jonathan @ 15

Who’s the leader? I detect lots of dissatisfaction here on FDL. Who is the leader who will lead us forward?

dunno ’bout ours, but i hear this is the Republican dark horse

Dark horse? If they could appoint GW the first time and steal an election the second time all the dark horse needs is a little PR and friendly press and he/she is a shoe in.

Demi @ 40

Slothrop @ 26

Mavis Staples was born in Chicago.

Yes, and she has a new album out, with protest songs. We Shall Not Turn Back, or something like that.

C’est Marveleux!

Holy crap, people.

Big bridge collapse in Minneapolis — 35W over the Mississippi. At least 20 cars and trucks in the water, more trapped on what’s left of the bridge.

Man.

Bluetoe
I thought Marvin would be a fine successor to (in)Curious George
Where was the man in the Yellow Hat when we needed him?

Five stars from this firepup on Mavis latest album.

So disappointed; I thought you were going to play the son Chicago by Crosby Stills Nash and Young.
Yeah it’s old, but seems very pertinent today.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F8ch48Wefb8 (live)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fEFsBF1X1ow
(a little history lesson someone put together (as if any firepups need it!), but superior sound quality to the first.

P.

Mutant Poodle @ 42

Ok, not going to Chicago, but I’m giving out some Chigago Blues for y’all…

he had the blues

thanks!

BigMitch @ 37

CTuttle @ 34

I’ve grown to depise Ol Blues Eyes’ “New York, New York”!!! I wonder why…??? ;-)

That reminds me. I better check the scores.

Hmmm… Somehow, Someway it would! :P

I saw Chicago in the Memorial Auditorium in Sacramento many years ago. Anybody here know the Memorial Auditorium in Sacto?

Phoenix Woman @ 46

Holy crap, people.

Big bridge collapse in Minneapolis — 35W over the Mississippi. At least 20 cars and trucks in the water, more trapped on what’s left of the bridge.

Man.

Was it known to be in bad condition? I’m actually surprised that more of this doesn’t happen. U.S. infrastructure not in good shape.

selise @ 25

Jonathan @ 15

Who’s the leader? I detect lots of dissatisfaction here on FDL. Who is the leader who will lead us forward?

when the people lead, the leaders will follow.

Your argument was popular in the 1960s. I’m cynical today. Nancy Pelosi, for example, shows NO willingness or ability to heed popular opinion.

Demi @ 40

Slothrop @ 26

Mavis Staples was born in Chicago.

Yes, and she has a new album out, with protest songs. We Shall Not Turn Back, or something like that.

This is a concert I would’ve loved to have seen.

Swopa @ 18

My music recommendation for anyone attending YKos:

If you’re looking for a “Chicago experience,” I suggest seeing local blues band the Kinsey Report at Buddy Guy’s Legends (754 S. Wabash,
about 2 miles north of the convention site) on Friday night at 10:30.

I won’t be there (I’m doing something else with friends who live in Chicago), but I’ve seen the band a couple of times over the years, and
they’re excellent. I’ll bet some other Firepups here can back me up on this.

C’mon Swopa, you should go down into the basement-Kingston Mines, Baybee!

CHRISTY – in the windy city!! at DKOS… man i wish i could’ve attended (spent money foolishly instead of saving for chi-town :() oh well there’s always the next one …. all those attending – DO IT Y’ALL BIG-TIME!!

not to offend, but i despise Chicago the band

visiting firepup fans can lament the passing of Demon Dogs where they played Chicago nonstop

i just miss the chili cheese dogs

Phoenix Woman @ 46

Holy crap, people.

Big bridge collapse in Minneapolis — 35W over the Mississippi. At least 20 cars and trucks in the water, more trapped on what’s left of the bridge.

Man.

Jeebus! Thanks for the newsflash! I live in St. Paul, so I had to turn from the Newshour with Jim Lehrer to the local news channels.

eCAHNomics @ 53

Phoenix Woman @ 46

Holy crap, people.

Big bridge collapse in Minneapolis — 35W over the Mississippi. At least 20 cars and trucks in the water, more trapped on what’s left of the bridge.

Man.

Was it known to be in bad condition? I’m actually surprised that more of this doesn’t happen. U.S. infrastructure not in good shape.

CNN is covering now…

eCAHNomics @ 53

Phoenix Woman @ 46

Holy crap, people.

Big bridge collapse in Minneapolis — 35W over the Mississippi. At least 20 cars and trucks in the water, more trapped on what’s left of the bridge.

Man.

Was it known to be in bad condition? I’m actually surprised that more of this doesn’t happen. U.S. infrastructure not in good shape.

We generally do a decent job — or used to, prior to having a string of GOP governors and lege — of keeping our roads in good shape.

eCAHNomics @ 53

Phoenix Woman @ 46

Holy crap, people.

Big bridge collapse in Minneapolis — 35W over the Mississippi. At least 20 cars and trucks in the water, more trapped on what’s left of the bridge.

Man.

Was it known to be in bad condition? I’m actually surprised that more of this doesn’t happen. U.S. infrastructure not in good shape.

Particularly, when much of DOT’s budget is diverted to “Bridge(s) to Nowhere”!!! ;-)

eCAHNomics @ 53

Phoenix Woman @ 46

Holy crap, people.

Big bridge collapse in Minneapolis — 35W over the Mississippi. At least 20 cars and trucks in the water, more trapped on what’s left of the bridge.

Man.

Was it known to be in bad condition? I’m actually surprised that more of this doesn’t happen. U.S. infrastructure not in good shape.

I have a vivid fear of driving off a bridge that’s there no more; cumulation of past tales told, I suppose, like tanker hits and earthquakes.

Woodhall Hollow @ 55

Demi @ 40

Yes, and she has a new album out, with protest songs. We Shall Not Turn Back, or something like that.

This is a concert I would’ve loved to have seen.

That’s the Last Waltz! They came out with an anniversary version somewhat recently. The whole concert is awesome! One of my favs.

Phoenix Woman @ 46

Holy crap, people.

Big bridge collapse in Minneapolis — 35W over the Mississippi. At least 20 cars and trucks in the water, more trapped on what’s left of the bridge.

Man.

Oh, sh*t. I used to live just on the other side of that bridge from downtown.

Phoenix Woman @ 46

Holy crap, people.

Big bridge collapse in Minneapolis — 35W over the Mississippi. At least 20 cars and trucks in the water, more trapped on what’s left of the bridge.

Man.

Katrina-lite. No money for the people.

Chicago? Anybody remember these guys?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky8QplMPf_U

Wish I was going, but I will be there in spirit. Drink a martini for me everybody!

Woodhall Hollow @ 66

Phoenix Woman @ 46

Holy crap, people.

Big bridge collapse in Minneapolis — 35W over the Mississippi. At least 20 cars and trucks in the water, more trapped on what’s left of the bridge.

Man.

Katrina-lite. No money for the people.

Speaking of Katrina, Vitter still has his privates intact enough to slam Shrub’s threatened veto!!! ;-)

Among the left behind — I’ll drag out my Chicago LP’s– maybe that’s the incentive I need to hook up my turntable (I refuse to buy music I’ve already got just ’cause there’s some new-fangled technology like CD’s!)
OTOH, I got a present last week – and IPod Nano, and I just remembered I can doubtless find some Chicago to download.

Anyway, Firepups at YKos, we know you’ll represent. I’m on vacation – scheduled for this weekend for either YKos or my 40th h.s. reunion…Tried to figure out how I could fly or drive back and forth and do both (reunion in Indianapolis, not so far…)Anyway, it turns out I can’t afford to do either one, so I’ll be sitting wistfully at the computer trying to monitor the recess horrors from our “gumint.”
Nah, can’t stay by the keyboard a whole vacation…plan some short drives, cooking, sewing, and of course, reading. Got the notice my hold on Glenn G’s new book came up, so it’s waiting at the library.
We’ll keep busy, y’all! Take good [cyber]notes!

Jonathan @ 54

selise @ 25

when the people lead, the leaders will follow.

Your argument was popular in the 1960s. I’m cynical today. Nancy Pelosi, for example, shows NO willingness or ability to heed popular opinion.

well, i do think she ought to heed popular opinion.

but, i guess popular opinion is not leading. maybe we need more office sit-ins?

*trying to be less negative in this thread. not working, huh?

eCAHNomics @ 53

Phoenix Woman @ 46

Holy crap, people.

Big bridge collapse in Minneapolis — 35W over the Mississippi. At least 20 cars and trucks in the water, more trapped on what’s left of the bridge.

Man.

Was it known to be in bad condition? I’m actually surprised that more of this doesn’t happen. U.S. infrastructure not in good shape.

eCAHN, this is THE major thoroughfare connecting Saint Paul and Minneapolis. 10s of thousands of people use it daily to get back and forth between the Twin Cities.

Can’t remember any problems with conditions. It has undergone re-paving and other maintenance stuff over the last several years, but I’m not aware of any structural issues.

Wow!

Woodhall Hollow @ 55

Demi @ 40

Yes, and she has a new album out, with protest songs. We Shall Not Turn Back, or something like that.

This is a concert I would’ve loved to have seen.

Me too! Winterland, now Japan Town… my old neighborhood.

I last saw the Band, Jericho album release, play on the Mississippi River, a midnight cruise at the Helena Blues Fest..

Thanks for the youtube! (with Mavis..bonus!)

I confess to not having a Chicago LP

CTuttle @ 69

Woodhall Hollow @ 66

Katrina-lite. No money for the people.

Speaking of Katrina, Vitter still has his privates intact enough to slam Shrub’s threatened veto!!! ;-)

Vitter is lame in more ways than one. Way too little too late.

“The people I represent don’t want to impeach this clown. I’m here to represent the people of North Dakota” Congresskritter Pomeroy (ND) said last week.

Clown? Maybe. But funny like a clown, I think not.
__________________________
Tommy: You mean-lemme understand this, cause I don’t know maybe it’s me, I’m a little f*cked up maybe. But, I’m funny how? Funny like a clown? I amuse you? I make you laugh? I’m here to f*ckin’ amuse you? What do you mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny?

Huge bridge collapse in Minneapolis, cars in the water….OMG.

Demi @ 64

Woodhall Hollow @ 55

This is a concert I would’ve loved to have seen.

That’s the Last Waltz! They came out with an anniversary version somewhat recently. The whole concert is awesome! One of my favs.

I missed that tour, but did see The Band with Bob Dylan at Indiana University back in…. oh, never mind that part.

Elliott @ 74

I confess to not having a Chicago LP

Me too. Though I had more than one, back in the day….

Mad Dogs @ 72

eCAHN, this is THE major thoroughfare connecting Saint Paul and Minneapolis. 10s of thousands of people use it daily to get back and forth between the Twin Cities.

Initial reports on CNN that there was a construction project in June? Also something about a jackhammer.

Woodhall Hollow @ 79

Elliott @ 74

I confess to not having a Chicago LP

Me too. Though I had more than one, back in the day….

I meant ever, I still have all my LPs and 45s

I have never seen a bridge colapse like that, except for the earthquake in in SF-Oakland in 1989.

Hope Ykos is a great event, good luck to all who are going, take back our county!

Hate to be the fart in church, but there’s no Chicago without Terry Kath.

Eyewitness account now on CNN. He has a 20th floor apt overlooking the bridge. Mighty impressive pics.

jayt @ 78

Demi @ 64

That’s the Last Waltz! They came out with an anniversary version somewhat recently. The whole concert is awesome! One of my favs.

I missed that tour, but did see The Band with Bob Dylan at Indiana University back in…. oh, never mind that part.

I saw the The Band with Bob Dylan and Joan Baez in The soon-to-be People’s Republic of Burlington (VT) in 1975. I was pregnant with the light of my life, my one and only child, my daughter, so I remember.

Elliott @ 81

Woodhall Hollow @ 79

Me too. Though I had more than one, back in the day….

I meant ever, I still have all my LPs and 45s

Elliot, do you still have a working turntable?
I do. The kids think our livingroom is like an old music museum. (me, giggling)

Woodhall Hollow @ 85

jayt @ 78

I missed that tour, but did see The Band with Bob Dylan at Indiana University back in…. oh, never mind that part.

I saw the The Band with Bob Dylan and Joan Baez in The soon-to-be People’s Republic of Burlington (VT) in 1975. I was pregnant with the light of my life, my one and only child, my daughter, so I remember.

I’m jealous, I saw many a concert but never The Band.

mack @ 58

not to offend, but i despise Chicago the band

With ya on this one. Got an in-law who thinks that pop music began and ended with Chicago, Billy Joel and Boston. Ick.

I’d have opted for Graham Nash’s tune, “Chicago”
noteworthy for its refrain
We can change the world
Rearrange the World
It’s Dying
to get better

Here in Pittsburgh, PA the bridges are
alarmingly neglected, but so are a number of
things. Moved here recently and feel much of
racial consciousness is about 1954. Time to rebuild our country in more than one way?

lost_nacf_gop
ding!

spaghetti happens @ 83

Hate to be the fart in church, but there’s no Chicago without Terry Kath.

Word…

I saw the The Band with Bob Dylan and Joan Baez in The soon-to-be People’s Republic of Burlington (VT) in 1975. I was pregnant with the light of my life, my one and only child, my daughter, so I remember.

I was there, my first concert, with, uh…. my sister. (hey I was young then).

I’m thinking it was either ‘73 or ‘74.

Demi @ 86

Elliott @ 81

I meant ever, I still have all my LPs and 45s

Elliot, do you still have a working turntable?
I do. The kids think our livingroom is like an old music museum. (me, giggling)

I was walking through my neighborhood last weekend, and there was a guy selling some great old albums, including a whole collection of Laura Nyro. I sooo badly wanted to buy them, but alas, no more state of the art technique’s turntable. I felt so sad. I had those albums, I wanted those albums. I miss albums with the liner notes, the photos and the ‘big bambu.”

Demi @ 86

Elliott @ 81

I meant ever, I still have all my LPs and 45s

Elliot, do you still have a working turntable?
I do. The kids think our livingroom is like an old music museum. (me, giggling)

sure!
and one for 78s

Kids!

Elliott @ 87

Woodhall Hollow @ 85

I saw the The Band with Bob Dylan and Joan Baez in The soon-to-be People’s Republic of Burlington (VT) in 1975. I was pregnant with the light of my life, my one and only child, my daughter, so I remember.

I’m jealous, I saw many a concert but never The Band.

I’ve see Joan Baez And Bob Dylan, but not the Band either.
(had the biggest crush on Rick Danko, tho, God Rest His Soul.)

Hi LL!

So… if the Dems agreed to accept a FISA reform that gives increased oversight to the AG, does that mean the AGAG impeachment is already a done deal?

Also, what do folks make of the secret FISA opinion, the timing of its revelation, and the fact that Boehner (of all possible creatures) was the first to talk about it?

Hmmm.

P.S. The House acting Speaker just indicated they’ll likely remain in session into this weekend, using that as a club to get the Repub to settle down and quit their bellyachin’ dilatory tricks.

I asked Lahoma if she’d be interested in going to this YKos thing in Chicago. She said kiddo, I don’t know if they could handle us. I laughed. She laughed. And that was that. ;0)

How the hell did that bridge collapse in about 4 sections??? Unbelievable. Why no helicopters? Many cars in the water.

There was an awful collapse like that in Connecticut years ago.

Hillary History

Attorney General
Zoe Baird ………… (hired illegal aliens)
Kimba Wood ……… (also hired illegal aliens)
Janet Reno ……….. (Bill Clinton says, “My worst mistake.”)
Lani Guanier ………. (Civil Rights, Too radical)

Three appointments from Rose Law Firm
Web Hubbell ……… (Justice, imprisonment)
Vince Foster …….. (White House Staff, suicide)
William Kennedy …. (Treasury, forced resignation)

Scandal Defense
Jennifer Flowers
Whitewater
Travel Office Firings
Commodities Market Winnings
Missing Rose Law Firm billing records
Paula Jones
Hillary almost gets herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice

Senate Race
Pardons FALN terrorists to get Latino support in NY
And that of New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support
Hillary’s brother’s clients ….. clemency
Theft of White House gifts …. $200,000 had to be returned

Iran War support
Said Israeli General, Oded Tira, “We must turn to Hillary Clinton … for support to attack Iran.”

Very sorry to hear about the bridge in MN. My thoughts and prayers go out to all those involved, and their families. I hope all you pups going to the Windy City have a great time!.

Someone spoke of Mavis Maples and Paul Butterfield as being from there, but here’s a little something from my very favorite Chicago bluesman. Nobody, but nobody could write ‘em like Willie!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=e6a…..mp;search=

eCAHNomics @ 80

Mad Dogs @ 72

eCAHN, this is THE major thoroughfare connecting Saint Paul and Minneapolis. 10s of thousands of people use it daily to get back and forth between the Twin Cities.

Initial reports on CNN that there was a construction project in June? Also something about a jackhammer.

Yeah, I’m watching CNN too. Doubt the jackhammer had anything to do with it. We’re talking an elevated 6 lane portion of 35W going over the Mississipi.

It’s probably 100 feet over the river and stands on pretty massive columns sunk into bedrock(?).

78s? What 78s would anyone listen to?

78s- damn

Elliott @ 94

Demi @ 86

Elliot, do you still have a working turntable?
I do. The kids think our livingroom is like an old music museum. (me, giggling)

sure!
and one for 78s

Kids!

I buy LPs.

Elliott @ 74

I confess to not having a Chicago LP

You’re too young, perhaps? Don’t feel bad, hon.
Jayt said:
“I missed that tour, but did see The Band with Bob Dylan at Indiana University back in…. oh, never mind that part.”

C’mon, Jayt, fess ‘up..were you a student at IU? I was when BBKing appeared there in, oh, 1970…Can’t remember who else was in that concert. (I was dragged away early by my future ex-husband)
btw – what happened to preview?

Elliott @ 87

Woodhall Hollow @ 85

I saw the The Band with Bob Dylan and Joan Baez in The soon-to-be People’s Republic of Burlington (VT) in 1975. I was pregnant with the light of my life, my one and only child, my daughter, so I remember.

I’m jealous, I saw many a concert but never The Band.

Some people have talent for good sales, other’s for good real estate. Some for “connections.” I always had good concert luck. I saw some phenomenal reggae in the late-70s and early 80s, including Bob Marley (twice), Jimmy Ciff (once) and The Third World (totally, mind-blowingly awesome) in guess-where? The People’s Republic of Burlington.

mack @ 43

swopa,
I see your Buddy Guy’s Legends and rais
Fred Anderson’s Velvet Lounge
http://www.velvetlounge.net/
Jazz, AACM style

Thanks for the tip! I’ll see if I can catch one of the shows on the calendar they link to.

This is appropos to the last thread, in which the recurrent theme was bashing dems, and in particular the person I would most like to see the next president of the United States: Nancy Pelosi, in ‘07.

The other day someone was bashing John Conyers for something or other. Can’t recall what. I encouraged people to recall the tale of Baalam’s Ass.

“On the way an angel, invisible to the little company, took his stand in the middle of the road. Only the ass saw the angel and so turned aside into a field, whereupon Balaam struck her a great blow with his stick. The ass returned to the road, but a bit farther on, the angel once more bestrode the path and the ass moved aside and was again beaten. A 3rd time the angel stood before them, so that they could not pass at all. The ass folded her legs and lay down, nor would she move though Balaam rained blows upon her.

“Suddenly the animal raised her head, opened her mouth, and spoke. ‘What have I done to thee, that thou hast struck me 3 times?’ ‘Why,’ said Balaam, ‘thou has made sport of me. And if my stick had been a sword I would have slain thee.’ But have I not served thee faithfully to this very day? Have I ever failed thee?’ And Balaam had to answer, No.

“At that moment the prophet’s eyes were opened … “

I think we will see that Nancy Pelosi is plenty smart. She lulled the Admin into thinking it had a free reign, and gave them enough rope to hang themselves.

I am impatient, too. But we must be effective, too.

Hmmm. @ 97

So… if the Dems agreed to accept a FISA reform that gives increased oversight to the AG, does that mean the AGAG impeachment is already a done deal?

Also, what do folks make of the secret FISA opinion, the timing of its revelation, and the fact that Boehner (of all possible creatures) was the first to talk about it?

Hmmm.

P.S. The House acting Speaker just indicated they’ll likely remain in session into this weekend, using that as a club to get the Repub to settle down and quit their bellyachin’ dilatory tricks.

The proposal from the Dems is that there be oversight by FISA and congress and not JUST the AG as it is now. See Rockefeller’s statement on last thread.

okk@67

aging myself a bit – i saw paul butterfield at the old fillmore east in nyc – ohhh truly back in the day

Every ambulance in Minneapolis summoned to the scene.

LS @ 99

How the hell did that bridge collapse in about 4 sections??? Unbelievable. Why no helicopters? Many cars in the water.

There was an awful collapse like that in Connecticut years ago.

We gots lots of obnoxious news helicopters here, but perhaps the authorities have jumped in and told them to butt-out.

HAHA! Even teh Grey Lady has her limits. And a long memory.

Mad Dogs @ 111

LS @ 99

How the hell did that bridge collapse in about 4 sections??? Unbelievable. Why no helicopters? Many cars in the water.

There was an awful collapse like that in Connecticut years ago.

We gots lots of obnoxious news helicopters here, but perhaps the authorities have jumped in and told them to butt-out.

I’m seeing helicopters now.

C’mon, Jayt, fess ‘up..were you a student at IU? I was when BBKing appeared there in, oh, 1970…Can’t remember who else was in that concert. (I was dragged away early by my future ex-husband)

No, I was still in H.S. I’m an I.U Law grad (Indianapolis), but undergrad was elsewhere. Never had the privilege of experiencing campus life in Bloomington, unfortunately.

US Soldier guilty of murder conspiracy.

juslin @ 109

okk@67

aging myself a bit – i saw paul butterfield at the old fillmore east in nyc – ohhh truly back in the day

I grew up around the corner from there.

Live raw ‘copter feed on CNN website now.

Prospero said:

but here’s a little something from my very favorite Chicago bluesman. Nobody, but nobody could write ‘em like Willie!

Hey, thanks Prospero – I have Willie on one o’ those ancient LP’s stashed away, too. More incentive to go look for the turntable…

BigMitch @ 117

juslin @ 109

okk@67

aging myself a bit – i saw paul butterfield at the old fillmore east in nyc – ohhh truly back in the day

I grew up around the corner from there.

My domestic “other half” saw that Butterfield concert.

The break up of this bridge does not look “physically” right. The dynamics look very unusual.

One thing that is really, really dangerous is to have electric windows in your car. If you go down in water, you cannot open anything.

Expect Chertoff’s gut on this. JMHO

For my fellow SUNY Binghamton alum — here, here. School of Management, MS/MBA, 1978

rwcole @ 102

78s? What 78s would anyone listen to?

78s- damn

Frogzee and the Flyzee

LS @ 121

The break up of this bridge does not look “physically” right. The dynamics look very unusual.

One thing that is really, really dangerous is to have electric windows in your car. If you go down in water, you cannot open anything.

Expect Chertoff’s gut on this. JMHO

We almost went home on that bridge today.

If we had, we would have been caught in it.

favorite concert ever – Springsteen in Indy. Don’t remember the year, but it was right after he was on the cover of Newsweek and Time magazines the same week. It was in one medium-sized room at the Indy Convention Center. There was a curtain hung so that only half the room was used, and even with that, the room was only about half-full.

Kick-ass show – during the encore, Clarencen Clemons snuck some strippers he’s met that day onto the stage behind Bruce – when Bruce turned around and saw the strippers, he just shook his head and finished 10th Avenue Freeze-Out sitting down.

Small world. B.A. Poli Sci, 71

Prospero @ 101

Very sorry to hear about the bridge in MN. My thoughts and prayers go out to all those involved, and their families. I hope all you pups going to the Windy City have a great time!.

Someone spoke of Mavis Maples and Paul Butterfield as being from there, but here’s a little something from my very favorite Chicago bluesman. Nobody, but nobody could write ‘em like Willie!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=e6a…..38;search=

Nobody! If you don’t own I Am The Blues don’t even talk to me about Blues..)

Hi Elliott! (had to step away for a few)

LS @ 120

The break up of this bridge does not look “physically” right. The dynamics look very unusual.

One thing that is really, really dangerous is to have electric windows in your car. If you go down in water, you cannot open anything.

Expect Chertoff’s gut on this. JMHO

According to Mythbusters — can there be a more reliable source? — the pressure on windows from the outside of a submerged car will prevent manual opening, too.

jayt @ 115

C’mon, Jayt, fess ‘up..were you a student at IU? I was when BBKing appeared there in, oh, 1970…Can’t remember who else was in that concert. (I was dragged away early by my future ex-husband)

No, I was still in H.S. I’m an I.U Law grad (Indianapolis), but undergrad was elsewhere. Never had the privilege of experiencing campus life in Bloomington, unfortunately.

Oh, you’re one of the “kids” on FDL, then. You’ve got me thinking nostalgic thoughts about my two stints in Bloomington. It was a great place to be in those days (late ’60’s and 70’s). Lots of “perpetual students,” just couldn’t bring themselves to leave for the real world…

How many here would put their ass on the line for what they believe?

tejanarusa @ 118

Prospero said:

but here’s a little something from my very favorite Chicago bluesman. Nobody, but nobody could write ‘em like Willie!

Hey, thanks Prospero – I have Willie on one o’ those ancient LP’s stashed away, too. More incentive to go look for the turntable…

Bill Withers

Exec order from Preznit read on the House floor — going live with the asset-siezure thing?

Hmmm.

BigMitch @ 108

This is appropos to the last thread, in which the recurrent theme was bashing dems, and in particular the person I would most like to see the next president of the United States: Nancy Pelosi, in ‘07.

The other day someone was bashing John Conyers for something or other. Can’t recall what. I encouraged people to recall the tale of Baalam’s Ass.

“On the way an angel, invisible to the little company, took his stand in the middle of the road. Only the ass saw the angel and so turned aside into a field, whereupon Balaam struck her a great blow with his stick. The ass returned to the road, but a bit farther on, the angel once more bestrode the path and the ass moved aside and was again beaten. A 3rd time the angel stood before them, so that they could not pass at all. The ass folded her legs and lay down, nor would she move though Balaam rained blows upon her.

“Suddenly the animal raised her head, opened her mouth, and spoke. ‘What have I done to thee, that thou hast struck me 3 times?’ ‘Why,’ said Balaam, ‘thou has made sport of me. And if my stick had been a sword I would have slain thee.’ But have I not served thee faithfully to this very day? Have I ever failed thee?’ And Balaam had to answer, No.

“At that moment the prophet’s eyes were opened … “

I think we will see that Nancy Pelosi is plenty smart. She lulled the Admin into thinking it had a free reign, and gave them enough rope to hang themselves.

I am impatient, too. But we must be effective, too.

Yupper.

Look at how this is being covered in the evening news: Bush/Rummy/etc. look like the lying creeps they are. The hearings may have looked like bat barf to those who watched them today, but that’s not the impression the folks watching the news tonight got.

Phoenix Woman @ 123

LS @ 121

The break up of this bridge does not look “physically” right. The dynamics look very unusual.

One thing that is really, really dangerous is to have electric windows in your car. If you go down in water, you cannot open anything.

Expect Chertoff’s gut on this. JMHO

We almost went home on that bridge today.

If we had, we would have been caught in it.

OMG. I went to school in Minneapolis for a couple of years, I’m worrying if anybody I knew got caught. I find it very suspicious (NO…not me…), but that bridge is broken up in huge sections on solid ground as well as in the water…how could that happen…it is literally buckled and completely twisted. Something big had to cause that, unless it is something like “sink holes”. They are claiming vibration from a jackhammer…not.

juslin @ 110

okk@67

aging myself a bit – i saw paul butterfield at the old fillmore east in nyc – ohhh truly back in the day

Did my time in Fillmore West in SF. Also
Family Dog, Carousel Ballroom, Avalon, Winterland and elsewhere. That was a few ago. ;0)

Phoenix Woman @ 123

LS @ 121

The break up of this bridge does not look “physically” right. The dynamics look very unusual.

One thing that is really, really dangerous is to have electric windows in your car. If you go down in water, you cannot open anything.

Expect Chertoff’s gut on this. JMHO

We almost went home on that bridge today.

If we had, we would have been caught in it.

OMG!

BigMitch @ 128

LS @ 120

The break up of this bridge does not look “physically” right. The dynamics look very unusual.

One thing that is really, really dangerous is to have electric windows in your car. If you go down in water, you cannot open anything.

Expect Chertoff’s gut on this. JMHO

According to Mythbusters — can there be a more reliable source? — the pressure on windows from the outside of a submerged car will prevent manual opening, too.

You can get a window down much more easily manually even in water, but electric..forget it..nothing works. Breaking the windows from inside is very difficult with water pressure on the outside.

Whoa! LS @ 120, do you suppose they’ve followed us home? Is that your gut-spinning sense? A bridge too far . . .? Tragedy confounded by rapacious thuggery. Ah, the grim, dark thoughts bedevil us, no?

IANAE (engineer) but perhaps dredging in the river could contribute to instability?

Phoenix Woman @ 123

LS @ 121

The break up of this bridge does not look “physically” right. The dynamics look very unusual.

One thing that is really, really dangerous is to have electric windows in your car. If you go down in water, you cannot open anything.

Expect Chertoff’s gut on this. JMHO

We almost went home on that bridge today.

If we had, we would have been caught in it.

{{{{Pheonix Woman}}}}

OMG – film from Minneapolis looks horrendous.

The jackhammer is a red-herring. If a bridge were going to break up, it would vibrate first and that would sound like jackhammers. Of course, I have zero expertise.

BigMitch @ 108 – left you a reply in the previous thread.

The bridge was being worked on according to npr.wcco-tv

re- the bridge collapse – our infrastructure is in awful shape – but we only have money to fight the war in iraq and perhapsiran(shudder) remember the steampipe explosion in nyc not too long ago – s adly this will occur more and more as we ignore said infrastructure….

David W. Bartoo @ 138

Whoa! LS @ 120, do you suppose they’ve followed us home? Is that your gut-spinning sense? A bridge too far . . .? Tragedy confounded by rapacious thuggery. Ah, the grim, dark thoughts bedevil us, no?

Of course not. But I think it might get spun that way. Just sayin’.

jayt @ 142

OMG – film from Minneapolis looks horrendous.

Awful, just awful. Thoughts and prayers from here to all affected out there.

Eureka Springs @ 127

Prospero @ 101

Very sorry to hear about the bridge in MN. My thoughts and prayers go out to all those involved, and their families. I hope all you pups going to the Windy City have a great time!.

Someone spoke of Mavis Maples and Paul Butterfield as being from there, but here’s a little something from my very favorite Chicago bluesman. Nobody, but nobody could write ‘em like Willie!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=e6a…..mp;search=

Nobody! If you don’t own I Am The Blues don’t even talk to me about Blues..)

I used to have that LP years ago. Lost it in one of my moves, I think. I need to get the CD.
Oh, and The Last Waltz is my second-favorite concert movie (a very close second, but still…). Runner up to this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xzORu1dqEE0

KO speculating on “seismic wave” thingee on the bridge collapse, but it’s just my SWAG that this is a structural failure.

Either the massive steel columns had a flaw or perhaps one of the pilings was undercut by the flow of the river.

LS I agree with you, merely saying so.

When a bridge is in bad shape the birds don’t roost there anymore. It’s actually very scientific.

If construction is done during the cold months of the year, it is possible that extreme heat can cause the structure to become distorted, due to expansion and contraction. You would think it would be tighter in the summer due to expansion. Nothing is really totally solid. Some kind of strong vibration could rattle things loose, the weird thing is that a lot of the collapse is on both sides of the bridge, where it is on solid ground. Six sections. KO is talking about the segments now.

watching KO reporting on the collapse- hopefully there wont be many victims … but it must have been truly terrifying… i drive a lot over long distances – this gives one pause for thought…

Earth quake.

juslin @ 145

re- the bridge collapse – our infrastructure is in awful shape – but we only have money to fight the war in iraq and perhapsiran(shudder) remember the steampipe explosion in nyc not too long ago – s adly this will occur more and more as we ignore said infrastructure….

Eggzactly. Katrina-lite, by which I mean that the flooding in NOLA cannot be blamed on nature, rather the negligence of those who had the power to see that the levies were fixed and did not.

jayt @ 125

favorite concert ever – Springsteen in Indy. Don’t remember the year, but it was right after he was on the cover of Newsweek and Time magazines the same week. It was in one medium-sized room at the Indy Convention Center. There was a curtain hung so that only half the room was used, and even with that, the room was only about half-full.

Kick-ass show – during the encore, Clarencen Clemons snuck some strippers he’s met that day onto the stage behind Bruce – when Bruce turned around and saw the strippers, he just shook his head and finished 10th Avenue Freeze-Out sitting down.

Ahh, those were the days. I remember one hot August night in Philly around 78, Sprinsgsteen and the E Street Band jammed so long on Backstreets that I forgot what song they were playing. That night they played for almost 4 hrs without an intermission.

BigMitch @ 143

The jackhammer is a red-herring. If a bridge were going to break up, it would vibrate first and that would sound like jackhammers. Of course, I have zero expertise.

I disagree, the jack hammer would produce the seismic vibrations that appear to have toppled it! The guy said: “I was jack-hammering and it just collapsed!”

Phoenix Woman – really, really glad you went home another way. We need you!
To all those who were on the bridge – {{{thoughts and prayers to all}}}}

Prospero @ 148

Eureka Springs @ 127

Nobody! If you don’t own I Am The Blues don’t even talk to me about Blues..)

I used to have that LP years ago. Lost it in one of my moves, I think. I need to get the CD.
Oh, and The Last Waltz is my second-favorite concert movie (a very close second, but still…). Runner up to this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xzORu1dqEE0

The Last Waltz. Yes.

clarification here, it’s not the major bridge that connects St Paul & Mpls (thats I94, a little further downstream) however it is definitely a major bridge, connects two parts of mpls and the northern suburbs.

I would usually be heading southbound on that bridge at the time of the collapse (working a temp job that gives me a lot of hours) burt luckily i’m halfway thru a different temp contract in the western suburbs.

It does look strange. MAJOR collapse. Not just a span or two. My first thought was “Thank you, Pukelenty for all your tax cuts and no $ for infrastructure among other things.” Damn Rethugs.

Possibly no deaths!!!!

Keith does a good and comforting job with bad news.

PW: “We almost went home on that bridge today.

If we had, we would have been caught in it.”

OMG2!

In ‘89, in SF, my brother was sent out of town to audit a hotel the morning the Nimitz collapsed in the quake. OMG, if he hadn’t been, he would have been on that freeway, too.

OMG PW. Quick, buy a lottery ticket!

(I think that’s more OMG’s in one comment than I’m allowed)

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 160

clarification here, it’s not the major bridge that connects St Paul & Mpls (thats I94, a little further downstream) however it is definitely a major bridge, connects two parts of mpls and the northern suburbs.

I would usually be heading southbound on that bridge at the time of the collapse (working a temp job that gives me a lot of hours) burt luckily i’m halfway thru a different temp contract in the western suburbs.

It does look strange. MAJOR collapse. Not just a span or two. My first thought was “Thank you, Pukelenty for all your tax cuts and no $ for infrastructure among other things.” Damn Rethugs.

I-35.

LS @ 162

Possibly no deaths!!!!

that would be a blessing

Elliott @ 165

LS @ 162

Possibly no deaths!!!!

that would be a blessing

No kidding!!

Mommybrain @ 164

PW: “We almost went home on that bridge today.

If we had, we would have been caught in it.”

OMG2!

In ‘89, in SF, my brother was sent out of town to audit a hotel the morning the Nimitz collapsed in the quake. OMG, if he hadn’t been, he would have been on that freeway, too.

OMG PW. Quick, buy a lottery ticket!

(I think that’s more OMG’s in one comment than I’m allowed)

I used to commute the Nimitz, I would have been killed if I lived there then

CTuttle @ 157

BigMitch @ 143

The jackhammer is a red-herring. If a bridge were going to break up, it would vibrate first and that would sound like jackhammers. Of course, I have zero expertise.

I disagree, the jack hammer would produce the seismic vibrations that appear to have toppled it! The guy said: “I was jack-hammering and it just collapsed!”

Those who are experts in logic could tear this apart better than me, but there is an assumed logical fallacy in this statement which is, that just because one jackhammers on a bridge, does not mean that jackhammering will cause the bridge to fail. In other words, just because I eat ice cream when I am coming down with the flu, does not mean that ice cream causes teh flu.

have fun at YKos, y’all! I’ll wave when flying over, en route to France.

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 161

clarification here, it’s not the major bridge that connects St Paul & Mpls (thats I94, a little further downstream)…

Yup, you’re right. I stand corrected. That’s what happens when you loveblog in an emergency.

Mad Dogs @ 151

KO speculating on “seismic wave” thingee on the bridge collapse, but it’s just my SWAG that this is a structural failure.

Either the massive steel columns had a flaw or perhaps one of the pilings was undercut by the flow of the river.

i don’t know how to tell… but while the worse failure appears to be centered over the river, there appears to be signs of failure all along the bridge. very different from when the sf/berkeley bay bridge failed during the loma preita earthquake. ‘course they could be very differently design bridges

LS @ 165

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 160

clarification here, it’s not the major bridge that connects St Paul & Mpls (thats I94, a little further downstream) however it is definitely a major bridge, connects two parts of mpls and the northern suburbs.

I would usually be heading southbound on that bridge at the time of the collapse (working a temp job that gives me a lot of hours) burt luckily i’m halfway thru a different temp contract in the western suburbs.

It does look strange. MAJOR collapse. Not just a span or two. My first thought was “Thank you, Pukelenty for all your tax cuts and no $ for infrastructure among other things.” Damn Rethugs.

I-35.

Yes, sorry, i was being terse. I should have said “the I35 Bridge is not etc etc”

Elliot @ 63

I have a vivid fear of driving off a bridge that’s there no more; cumulation of past tales told, I suppose, like tanker hits and earthquakes.

I drove off a road that was there no more. Actually two roads that were there no more. Well, three roads if you wanna count the…whatever…the point is it wasn’t so bad.

Woodhall Hollow @ 168

CTuttle @ 157

I disagree, the jack hammer would produce the seismic vibrations that appear to have toppled it! The guy said: “I was jack-hammering and it just collapsed!”

Talk about the straw that broke the camel’s back. Strange things happen.

Those who are experts in logic could tear this apart better than me, but there is an assumed logical fallacy in this statement which is, that just because one jackhammers on a bridge, does not mean that jackhammering will cause the bridge to fail. In other words, just because I eat ice cream when I am coming down with the flu, does not mean that ice cream causes teh flu.

Au revoir, punaise, a bientot.

Elliot, OMG for you, too ;-/

merci, mb

Gunga Djinn @ 174

Elliot @ 63

I have a vivid fear of driving off a bridge that’s there no more; cumulation of past tales told, I suppose, like tanker hits and earthquakes.

I drove off a road that was there no more. Actually two roads that were there no more. Well, three roads if you wanna count the…whatever…the point is it wasn’t so bad.

Well, I’m certainly glad you lived to tell the tale! But you’ll never convince me it’s not so bad, even if it’s just only one.

Local news folks say that 145,000 cars travel this bridge every day.

punaise, I don’t speak French — so I’ll just say have a wonderful trip!

Wow those photos are striking.

Bone apt eat, punaise.

LoudounLib @ 180

punaise, I don’t speak French — so I’ll just say have a wonderful trip!

Is he the friend you helped outfit?

Call me a cold son-of-a-bitch but I cannot help but think that this is a political issue. Our country’s infrastructure is in such great need of repair, and we are pissing money up a rope in Viet Iraq. Karina strikes in Minna.

Elliott @ 183

LoudounLib @ 180

punaise, I don’t speak French — so I’ll just say have a wonderful trip!

Is he the friend you helped outfit?

haha, no ;-)

BigMitch @ 183

Call me a cold son-of-a-bitch but I cannot help but think that this is a political issue. Our country’s infrastructure is in such great need of repair, and we are pissing money up a rope in Viet Iraq. Karina strikes in Minna.

Eggxactly. Katrina-lite.

Rove refuses to testify per Rawstory:

“Mr. Rove has given reasons for the firings that have now been shown to be inaccurate after-the-fact fabrications,” Leahy said. “Yet, he now refuses to tell this Committee the truth about his role in targeting well-respected U.S. Attorneys for firing and in seeking to cover up his role and that of his staff in the scandal.”

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0801.html

I still think they should talk to the “chair”, and ask all the questions they want to ask, and then deem him “unresponsive” and then deem him in inherent contempt. Then go get him and haul his sorry ass off to the dungeons of Congress. Hell, he can sleep one of those cots.

anybody ring up chimpy and ask him where’s the money for the infrastructure?? AS IF….. god i hate bushco – all of his junta!!

I’ve never understood the band Chicago.

Not in a ‘they suck’ kind of way – I really have nothing against them.

It’s more of a ‘WTF’? – Why would anyone go out of his way to listen to their music on purpose?

No slam meant to the fans. This is my opinion only.

Political issue–It will be if the Clusterfuckers claim terrorists did it.

LoudounLib @ 185

Elliott @ 183

Is he the friend you helped outfit?

haha, no ;-)

I picked out my blogging pajamas all by myself. :~)

When exactly did Rove give reasons for the firings??? Ahem?

Local news now showing radar of a thunderstorm just about ready to dump on the Twin Cities and heading right for the area where the bridge collapsed. Gonna make things worse with rain and perhaps lightning.

lol punaise — good job! ;-)

ES – I’m apt to eat, indeed.

VictorLaszlo @ 189

I’ve never understood the band Chicago.

Not in a ‘they suck’ kind of way – I really have nothing against them.

It’s more of a ‘WTF’? – Why would anyone go out of his way to listen to their music on purpose?

No slam meant to the fans. This is my opinion only.

I love Chicago, Steely Dan, and Tower of Power. Horns baby.

BigMitch @ 184

Call me a cold son-of-a-bitch but I cannot help but think that this is a political issue. Our country’s infrastructure is in such great need of repair, and we are pissing money up a rope in Viet Iraq. Karina strikes in Minna.

Nothing cold about it except how true it is.. I’ll bet Bush will do another fancy press conference, promise the moon, and never look back after awarding some big contract money.

All kids on school bus on collapsed bridge apparently survived but no word on how badly injured.

je parle francais une peu – mais oui lol bon voyage mon ami ;o} punaise

Woodhall Hollow @ 186

BigMitch @ 183

Call me a cold son-of-a-bitch but I cannot help but think that this is a political issue. Our country’s infrastructure is in such great need of repair, and we are pissing money up a rope in Viet Iraq. Karina strikes in Minna.

Eggxactly. Katrina-lite.

Analysis says war could cost $1 trillion

By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff | August 1, 2007

WASHINGTON — The war in Iraq could ultimately cost well over a trillion dollars — at least double what has already been spent — including the long-term costs of replacing damaged equipment, caring for wounded troops, and aiding the Iraqi government, according to a new government analysis…

Mad Dogs @ 193

Local news now showing radar of a thunderstorm just about ready to dump on the Twin Cities and heading right for the area where the bridge collapsed. Gonna make things worse with rain and perhaps lightning.

Oh shizola!

Eureka Springs @ 197

BigMitch @ 184

Call me a cold son-of-a-bitch but I cannot help but think that this is a political issue. Our country’s infrastructure is in such great need of repair, and we are pissing money up a rope in Viet Iraq. Ka[t]rina strikes in Minna.

Nothing cold about it except how true it is.. I’ll bet Bush will do another fancy press conference, promise the moon, and never look back after awarding some big contract money.

they got both ends of the Mississippi covered…

juslin @ 199

je parle francais une peu – mais oui lol bon voyage mon ami ;o} punaise

merci bien! hybrid neologism: “ooh lah LOL”

i travel over the chesapeake bay bridge regularly and i say a little prayer time i crisscross it – i think i’ll ttake another route when next i travel….

punaise @ 202

Eureka Springs @ 197

Nothing cold about it except how true it is.. I’ll bet Bush will do another fancy press conference, promise the moon, and never look back after awarding some big contract money.

they got both ends of the Mississippi covered…

and no doubt just about every bridge and levee in between

Elliot, oddly enough I almost drove off a road that wasn’t there anymore when I lived in Wise, Va. Winding mountain road, climbing, climbing, icy, around the bend OH SHIIIIT skidd. stop. (breathe) at. (again) edge… oh, the road is down there.

I was stuck in traffic in DC years ago, on Cabin John Bridge. A bigrig had skidded off the icy bridge and plunged into Rock Creek. The driver was stuck. A man in a pickup jumped from the bridge into the creek and saved the driver. Big Drama, Happy Ending.

The cops towed the rescuer’s truck and tried to ding him a couple hundred bucks. No way we let that happen! Thousands of letters and calls changed their mind.

punaise @ 202

Eureka Springs @ 197

Nothing cold about it except how true it is.. I’ll bet Bush will do another fancy press conference, promise the moon, and never look back after awarding some big contract money.

they got both ends of the Mississippi covered…

Bridges and levees.

LS @ 196

VictorLaszlo @ 189

I’ve never understood the band Chicago.

Not in a ‘they suck’ kind of way – I really have nothing against them.

It’s more of a ‘WTF’? – Why would anyone go out of his way to listen to their music on purpose?

No slam meant to the fans. This is my opinion only.

I love Chicago, Steely Dan, and Tower of Power. Horns baby.

Tower of Power. Yes! Saw them many times in Cali.

juslin @ 204

i travel over the chesapeake bay bridge regularly and i say a little prayer time i crisscross it – i think i’ll ttake another route when next i travel….

Then the incompetent structural engineers will have won.

Puppy’s goin nuts- barkin her ass off. Must be a gooper out there- she HATES goopers

Mommybrain @ 206

Elliot, oddly enough I almost drove off a road that wasn’t there anymore when I lived in Wise, Va. Winding mountain road, climbing, climbing, icy, around the bend OH SHIIIIT skidd. stop. (breathe) at. (again) edge… oh, the road is down there.

I was stuck in traffic in DC years ago, on Cabin John Bridge. A bigrig had skidded off the icy bridge and plunged into Rock Creek. The driver was stuck. A man in a pickup jumped from the bridge into the creek and saved the driver. Big Drama, Happy Ending.

The cops towed the rescuer’s truck and tried to ding him a couple hundred bucks. No way we let that happen! Thousands of letters and calls changed their mind.

Wow and phew!

this should be another wake-up call for bushco – but of course he’ll blow it just as he did KATRINA

Mommybrain @ 206

Elliot, oddly enough I almost drove off a road that wasn’t there anymore when I lived in Wise, Va. Winding mountain road, climbing, climbing, icy, around the bend OH SHIIIIT skidd. stop. (breathe) at. (again) edge… oh, the road is down there.

I was stuck in traffic in DC years ago, on Cabin John Bridge. A bigrig had skidded off the icy bridge and plunged into Rock Creek. The driver was stuck. A man in a pickup jumped from the bridge into the creek and saved the driver. Big Drama, Happy Ending.

The cops towed the rescuer’s truck and tried to ding him a couple hundred bucks. No way we let that happen! Thousands of letters and calls changed their mind.

I used to commute across the George Washington Bridge from NJ to Manhattan. When traffic was bad, every morning, the whole car would bounce and bounce. Bridges are designed for that. Imagine though, 100 cars, with engines vibrating…scaaaary. Not one jackhammer…

Elliott @ 211

Mommybrain @ 206

Elliot, oddly enough I almost drove off a road that wasn’t there anymore when I lived in Wise, Va. Winding mountain road, climbing, climbing, icy, around the bend OH SHIIIIT skidd. stop. (breathe) at. (again) edge… oh, the road is down there.

I was stuck in traffic in DC years ago, on Cabin John Bridge. A bigrig had skidded off the icy bridge and plunged into Rock Creek. The driver was stuck. A man in a pickup jumped from the bridge into the creek and saved the driver. Big Drama, Happy Ending.

The cops towed the rescuer’s truck and tried to ding him a couple hundred bucks. No way we let that happen! Thousands of letters and calls changed their mind.

Wow and phew!

Dang!

It’s all about the harmonics.

LS @ 196

VictorLaszlo @ 189

I’ve never understood the band Chicago.

Not in a ‘they suck’ kind of way – I really have nothing against them.

It’s more of a ‘WTF’? – Why would anyone go out of his way to listen to their music on purpose?

No slam meant to the fans. This is my opinion only.

I love Chicago, Steely Dan, and Tower of Power. Horns baby.

Sorry, I’m not a big Peter Cetera fan either, but that’s just me.

My son is growing in his musical appreciation (he’s 17), and I burned 3 CDs for him that I told him were essential to his library and his growth musically:
Let It Bleed
Sticky Fingers
Exile On Main Street
(I almost gave him Beggars Banquet, too, but didn’t want to overdo it just yet).

Chicago’s very own Impressions, featuring the late, great Curtis Mayfield:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KOmd-WkJrSI

bigmitch@209

its not funny but your comment made me laugh – to keep from sobbing
ty

I used to commute across the George Washington Bridge from NJ to Manhattan. When traffic was bad, every morning, the whole car would bounce and bounce. Bridges are designed for that. Imagine though, 100 cars, with engines vibrating…scaaaary. Not one jackhammer…

Friday nights in the other direction-scary stuff.

Roads washing down the mountain-saw plenty of that in Brazil in 1979. Bet it still happens there.

Never play a harmonic on a bridge.

juslin @ 212

this should be another wake-up call for bushco – but of course he’ll blow it just as he did KATRINA

He could care less. He didn’t care that
Tillman took 3 shots to the forehead with a helmet on! No, no. That was an “opportunity”.

Senator Leahey: Please Arrest Rove.

Gunga Djinn @ 217

Chicago’s very own Impressions, featuring the late, great Curtis Mayfield:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KOmd-WkJrSI

Good vid.

BigMitch @ 215

It’s all about the harmonics.

DING!!

All close friends & family accounted for. Hope coworkers haven’t been caught in this bridge horror. Luckily there are 3 major hospitals closeby.
Looks like a stream of people from the Uof M are on the local (3rd Ave) bridge that parallels !35 bridge. Major hospital at the U, and of course Hennipin Co. in downtown. Those poor people.

I think this is the bridge… correct me if I’m wrong

Bush makin statement that the bridge failure was Clinton’s fault.

Is this a state or a federal hwy?

What will happen to Rove for refusing to testify? Will the JC issue contempt citations that never go anywhere, as happened with Meirs and Bolton? What is holding up enforcement?

looking at the tv as the pictures run – i tell you its amazing the total collapse – just WOW!!

Vibrations can explode a wine glass. Everything is relative.

LS @ 213

Mommybrain @ 206

Elliot, oddly enough I almost drove off a road that wasn’t there anymore when I lived in Wise, Va. Winding mountain road, climbing, climbing, icy, around the bend OH SHIIIIT skidd. stop. (breathe) at. (again) edge… oh, the road is down there.

I was stuck in traffic in DC years ago, on Cabin John Bridge. A bigrig had skidded off the icy bridge and plunged into Rock Creek. The driver was stuck. A man in a pickup jumped from the bridge into the creek and saved the driver. Big Drama, Happy Ending.

The cops towed the rescuer’s truck and tried to ding him a couple hundred bucks. No way we let that happen! Thousands of letters and calls changed their mind.

I used to commute across the George Washington Bridge from NJ to Manhattan. When traffic was bad, every morning, the whole car would bounce and bounce. Bridges are designed for that. Imagine though, 100 cars, with engines vibrating…scaaaary. Not one jackhammer…

makes me think of that bridge that collapsed because of oscillations.

I can only think of two Mississippi river crossings that feel safe.. One in St Louis and one in Memphis.

here is the local Minneapolis radar. Doesn’t look to bad but any rain can’t be to helpful now.

You are a cold son of a bitch Mitch

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 224

All close friends & family accounted for. Hope coworkers haven’t been caught in this bridge horror. Luckily there are 3 major hospitals closeby.
Looks like a stream of people from the Uof M are on the local (3rd Ave) bridge that parallels !35 bridge. Major hospital at the U, and of course Hennipin Co. in downtown. Those poor people.

((((())))))

twolf1 @ 225

I think this is the bridge… correct me if I’m wrong

Sure looks like it to me.

LS @ 233

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 224

All close friends & family accounted for. Hope coworkers haven’t been caught in this bridge horror. Luckily there are 3 major hospitals closeby.
Looks like a stream of people from the Uof M are on the local (3rd Ave) bridge that parallels !35 bridge. Major hospital at the U, and of course Hennipin Co. in downtown. Those poor people.

((((())))))

ditto.

Gunga Djinn @ 217

Chicago’s very own Impressions, featuring the late, great Curtis Mayfield:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KOmd-WkJrSI

Awesome!
A great song, plus the added bonus of watching white kids dance. Heh

Mommybrain @ 206

Elliot, oddly enough I almost drove off a road that wasn’t there anymore when I lived in Wise, Va. Winding mountain road, climbing, climbing, icy, around the bend OH SHIIIIT skidd. stop. (breathe) at. (again) edge… oh, the road is down there.

I was stuck in traffic in DC years ago, on Cabin John Bridge. A bigrig had skidded off the icy bridge and plunged into Rock Creek. The driver was stuck. A man in a pickup jumped from the bridge into the creek and saved the driver. Big Drama, Happy Ending.

The cops towed the rescuer’s truck and tried to ding him a couple hundred bucks. No way we let that happen! Thousands of letters and calls changed their mind.

If that was the bridge on MacArthur blvd. It was built in 1864 and is still going strong. (BTW, it crosses Cabin John Creek)

BigMitch @ 226

Is this a state or a federal hwy?

Fed. This is just up the road from me. Well, quite a bit up the road from me. I’m in Austin TX and it goes all the way up.

twolf1 @ 225

I think this is the bridge… correct me if I’m wrong

You’re correct, 3rd Ave. local bridge is just to the right of the double-span 35W bridge.

BigMitch @ 227

Is this a state or a federal hwy?

Tis Federal Interstate 35W.

makes me think of that bridge that collapsed because of oscillations.

But it wasn’t a suspension bridge.

Steve-AR @ 239

Mommybrain @ 206

Elliot, oddly enough I almost drove off a road that wasn’t there anymore when I lived in Wise, Va. Winding mountain road, climbing, climbing, icy, around the bend OH SHIIIIT skidd. stop. (breathe) at. (again) edge… oh, the road is down there.

I was stuck in traffic in DC years ago, on Cabin John Bridge. A bigrig had skidded off the icy bridge and plunged into Rock Creek. The driver was stuck. A man in a pickup jumped from the bridge into the creek and saved the driver. Big Drama, Happy Ending.

The cops towed the rescuer’s truck and tried to ding him a couple hundred bucks. No way we let that happen! Thousands of letters and calls changed their mind.

If that was the bridge on MacArthur blvd. It was built in 1864 and is still going strong. (BTW, it crosses Cabin John Creek)

I know it well — used to drive it every day on the way to work in Chevy Chase

Bridges are now scarier.

For those who like brass…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtYV30-Zba4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-2MPKDR4VU

Wow, I just read about the bridge collapse.

I used to work about 2 blocks from there. We had a view of the bridge and the Minneapolis skyline behind it. Crazy.

LoudounLib @ 243

Steve-AR @ 239

If that was the bridge on MacArthur blvd. It was built in 1864 and is still going strong. (BTW, it crosses Cabin John Creek)

I know it well — used to drive it every day on the way to work in Chevy Chase

They don’t build ‘em like they used to.

(hi loudoun)

LS @ 244

Bridges are now scarier.

We need good bridges over here so we don’t have to.. oh wait.

hey wangdangdoodle!

If Bush had the brains God gave animal crackers he would get on the air and announce that “there is no reason to suspect terrorism. The full array of assets available to the NTSB will be investigating this, blah blah.”

David W. Bartoo @ 89

Here in Pittsburgh, PA the bridges are
alarmingly neglected, but so are a number of
things. Moved here recently and feel much of
racial consciousness is about 1954. Time to rebuild our country in more than one way?

I’m halfway between WVA border and Columbus Ohio, and same thing here.
Certain things seem OK: Inter-racial dating (and inter-racial marriage) is very common.
But, we can’t have a city pool because certain people don’t want other people to swim in the same water with them.
I’m from NM orgininally and experienced quite a culture shock.

I’ve been the roadie for the Sons of Champlin since 1968. The connection is that the singer and namesake, Bill Champlin, is a member of Chicago. Lead singer tosses the solo to “Bill” on Hammond B-3 about 2/3 of the way through, you can hear him, but Bill is invisible on the back of the stage.

I’ve worked on shows with The Band, The Dead, Airplane, Doobies, Santana, Butterfield, Elvin Bishop, Jethro Tull, Steve Miller, Quicksilver, Creedence, Byrds, and yes, Buddy Guy.

I loves me a good horn section, but I couldn’t find any Beto Y Los Fairlanes on youtube or itunes.

:(

i have no more words – it makes my blood boil at this administrations incompetence and reckless spending on all things military and to hell with the country – and yet he’s still not impeached sighhhhhhhhhh

SteveAR, it’s been 30 years, but I remember it as being on the Beltway, but it might have been MacArthur. I worked near MacArthur Circle at the time.

juslin @ 254

i have no more words – it makes my blood boil at this administrations incompetence and reckless spending on all things military and to hell with the country – and yet he’s still not impeached sighhhhhhhhhh

Word.

It’s the 35W bridge that crosses the Mississippi River near the University of MN. I may be repeating what’s gone before.

Hundreds of cars in the water. Bridge crashed down onto a train, into the river. It looks like a disaster movie, only it’s real.

No deaths reported yet, but looking at the terrible wreckage and knowing there must be cars crushed under it . . . I don’t know. Not optimistic.

The good news is that the accident happened among three of the finest medical facilities in the region. Trauma units converging from everywhere. Docs from everywhere. And, inevitably, gawkers from everywhere.

If you’re a praying person, please do. If you’re a hoping person, please do.

Chicago’s very own CTA (a.k.a. Chicago Transit Authority, later simply “Chicago”, following a law suit by the real Chicago transit authority)

you better dig it

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yOvGa-8-Lns

I’m just glad Mad Dogs and Phoenix Woman are OK. Hope all our Minneapolis Fire Pups are.

BigMitch @ 250

If Bush had the brains God gave animal crackers he would get on the air and announce that “there is no reason to suspect terrorism. The full array of assets available to the NTSB will be investigating this, blah blah.”

What?

Well while your on the subject of collapses, this in from the SF Gate 6.8 million elderly and disabled with out health care http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..RALPF1.DTL
so how many have to die for some one in the MSM notices?

BigMitch @ 184

Call me a cold son-of-a-bitch but I cannot help but think that this is a political issue. Our country’s infrastructure is in such great need of repair, and we are pissing money up a rope in Viet Iraq. Karina strikes in Minna.

Rick Perlstein has written quite a lot about this; if you haven’t, check out his posts titled “That Sinking Feeling.”

The bridge was built in 1967. There was some construction going on today. Sounded as though it was routine maintenance, but the MNDOT guy was vague (also in shock).

And the TV ghouls were quick to point out that Dept of Homeland Security truck(s) was seen. SOP, I assume. I hope.

anyone here remember 10 wheel drive? now that was a good horn sound – at least to me and earth wind and fire…..

jayt @ 237

LS @ 233

((((())))))

ditto.

Thanks folks. My daughter’s mother in law goes home from work everyday on the parkway that passes under the bridge on the downtown side, which is now under tons of cement/concrete/debris. Luckily her work picnic was over in St. Paul today so she was nowhere near it as she otherwise would be. Her son, my son-in-law is stationed in Bahgdad. Hope she can let him know soon, must be horrible to be so far away and know “Mom would be driving home from work right at that time!”

TeresapChicago @ 260

BigMitch @ 250

If Bush had the brains God gave animal crackers he would get on the air and announce that “there is no reason to suspect terrorism. The full array of assets available to the NTSB will be investigating this, blah blah.”

What?

I’m just saying, that this is a chance for Bush to do something presidential. He won’t. Guess that’s because he’s not presidential, eh? He could re-assure the many people who think/fear/suspect that this is terrorism. Of course, he lives on other people’s fear, so he won’t.

juslin @ 254

i have no more words – it makes my blood boil at this administrations incompetence and reckless spending on all things military and to hell with the country – and yet he’s still not impeached sighhhhhhhhhh

I’m so tired of waiting for impeachment.

A disaster waiting to happen? All those folks living on the flood plane and the Delta in Scaramento. If it hits, and it will, it’ll make Katrina look like a picnic.

wangdangdoodle @ 259

I’m just glad Mad Dogs and Phoenix Woman are OK. Hope all our Minneapolis Fire Pups are.

Are Balrog or ifthethunderdontgetya from that area?

argosfalcon @ 261

Well while your on the subject of collapses, this in from the SF Gate 6.8 million elderly and disabled with out health care http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..RALPF1.DTL
so how many have to die for some one in the MSM notices?

Thanks I had not seen that

Didn’t the Speaker say the other day that we needed to stay focused on our agenda, rather than impeachment?

Mommybrain @ 255

SteveAR, it’s been 30 years, but I remember it as being on the Beltway, but it might have been MacArthur. I worked near MacArthur Circle at the time.

The 495 bridge across the Potomac was also called the “Cabin John Bridge” which created confusion. They re-named the Bridge the “American Legion Memorial Bridge” but I think people still called it the Cabin John Bridge. I haven’t lived in that area for more than 35 years so I could be FOS.

Not going to KOS but welcome to my city! :D

Please, some engineer explain how this bridge collapsed the way it did. How did it buckle into six sections? What could realistically cause that?

Doo..doo..da..da..doo.(music from Close Encounters) UFO’s? WTF??? /s

Some kind of major vibe ran through the structure and disrupted the solidity of the structure. Engine vibrations?? Sink hole in the Mississippi? Don’t tell me a jackhammer did this. Earthquake?

Oklahoma kiddo @ 271

Didn’t the Speaker say the other day that we needed to stay focused on our agenda, rather than impeachment?

I keep hoping her secret agenda is Impeachment

Eureka Springs @ 269

wangdangdoodle @ 259

I’m just glad Mad Dogs and Phoenix Woman are OK. Hope all our Minneapolis Fire Pups are.

Are Balrog or ifthethunderdontgetya from that area?

I live in Mpls, Balrog is in Stillwater, 20-30 mi east of here. Biodun lives downtown Mpls IIRC

new thread

Gunga Djinn @ 258

Chicago’s very own CTA (a.k.a. Chicago Transit Authority, later simply “Chicago”, following a law suit by the real Chicago transit authority)

you better dig it

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yOvGa-8-Lns

See, now that’s not too bad. Unlike any Chicago song I’ve ever heard on the radio, one can detect some actual passion in the playing in this clip.

Maybe I’ve figured it out – they were a good band at first, then they started to suck and no one really noticed. That sound about right?

The above post also clears something up for me: I have an old friend who plays in a Chicago cover band (in the Twin Cities) called “Transit Authority”. I always thought that was a colossally stupid name, but it all makes sense now.

ES, I’m tuned into Stax right now.

BigMitch @ 266

TeresapChicago @ 260

What?

I’m just saying, that this is a chance for Bush to do something presidential. He won’t. Guess that’s because he’s not presidential, eh? He could re-assure the many people who think/fear/suspect that this is terrorism. Of course, he lives on other people’s fear, so he won’t.

Briliiant

FYI, new post

so the eagle has landed (in Chicago). have a wonderful time at YKos. Wish we could all be there. LHP had a wonderful post this afternoon. Hope to see more of her thoughts soon. The new primer on various forms of Congressional contempt from the Congressional Research Service is a sight to behold, let me tell you. It seems as if someone (who shall remain nameless) wanted the CRS’ take on reverting to inherent contempt. CRS doesn’t dissapoint. In fact, the reason Congress is citing Meirs and Bolten for contempt is to force compliance (i.e., get them to talk and/or provide documents). Inherent contempt was originally intended for just such a purpose. Criminal and civil contempt proceedings are meant for punishment or removing the obstruction, but not to compel testimony. So, inherent contempt, handled primarily by a committee (also an issue given a thorough going-over by CRS), is the way to go. I wonder if Nancy has a copy.

haha. EPU’d already!

How well was this bridge maintained was the concrete crumbling, was there exposed rebar, rust on the steel? I assume they used rock salt to melt the snow in winter that stuff does weaken concrete. Who is responsible for inspecting bridges the state or the feds.
If there is no evidence of physical damage before the crash, an unusal heavy load, or earthquake, well maybe very unlikly the construction workers did this.
But absent that then every bridge with this same design in the world should be looked at.

wangdangdoodle @ 259

I’m just glad Mad Dogs and Phoenix Woman are OK. Hope all our Minneapolis Fire Pups are.

I’m in Omaha, on my way to Colorado. I can’t get through to anyone at home on cells. There was a Twins game tonight, and that could have only added to the traffic.

It’s just horrible.

1,595 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..

Citizen Hardin Smith and and Firepup Patriots:

Hope you got outta the airport as hassle-free as possible…here in the great tundra I have spent the last 45 minutes tryin’ ta verify that all my kids and grandkids and 83 year old mother are outta harms way of the I-35W bridge collapse and I jest got the word that my daughter who lives jest 3 minutes from the bridge is OK (she didn’t go ta the baseball game she had tickets for ‘cuz she had ta work). My other daughter who durin’ the school year lives in a dorm jest 3 blocks from the bridge, is home from work and didn’t hafta go inta the cities after work today.

This is a disaster of that will impact everyone in the greater Twin Cities metropolitan area for years and will have repercussions nation-wide before too long. Think about it…for the last 75 years the number of federal highway bridge construction projects are too numerous to count and have been large in local economies. With the history of corruption in federal contractin’ and the political economy of federal safety standards and construction oversight, I am worried that we are sittin on a number of time bombs around the nation.

And where the fuck are the local National Guard units in support of emergency traffic control and rescue efforts??!! Minnesota’s Governor is a Christian Mitt Romney and hasn’t been visible as yet…the douchebag!

KEEP THE FAITH AND TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER, WE’RE GUNNA BE PAYIN’ FOR OUR EXPERIMENT WITH FASCISM FOR A LONG TIME!!

White House invokes executive privilege for Rove in attorney firings

Just say this on CNN when I checked on the status of the bridge. I have friends in LaCrosse and Stevens Point (WI) who were traveling thru Minneapolis today. They were leaving late this afternoon after having lunch with some college mates we have. They’re on their way out to me.

Could the bridge have buckled because of the steel pylons or something snapping. I’m not sure what ya call them.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 271

Didn’t the Speaker say the other day that we needed to stay focused on our agenda, rather than impeachment?

They still haven’t figured out that OUR agenda IS impeachment!

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 276

Eureka Springs @ 269

Are Balrog or ifthethunderdontgetya from that area?

I live in Mpls, Balrog is in Stillwater, 20-30 mi east of here. Biodun lives downtown Mpls IIRC

I’m holding my breath until we hear from them.

(good thoughts, good thoughts, good thoughts)

things come undone @ 284

How well was this bridge maintained was the concrete crumbling, was there exposed rebar, rust on the steel? I assume they used rock salt to melt the snow in winter that stuff does weaken concrete. Who is responsible for inspecting bridges the state or the feds.
If there is no evidence of physical damage before the crash, an unusal heavy load, or earthquake, well maybe very unlikly the construction workers did this.
But absent that then every bridge with this same design in the world should be looked at.

There was a huge state legislation issue in Minnesota recently concerning transportation. The Governor, Tim Pawlenty, has made a pledge to the head-up-the-ass taxpayer league, not to raise taxes. Well he didn’t, but Minnesota transportation issues have suffered from his narrow minded perspective.

Who designed this bridge any past problems with this firm? Who built this do they have any past history of cutting corners a lot of engineers don’t like to walk steel and check welds. I’m not getting down on engineers my Dad was one but he did complain about guys who never went into the field and inspect things.

Chicago’s own Chaka Khan, rippin’ it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1TT…..mp;search=

Hi Christy.

Have a great YearlyKos and getaway! ;->

johnSwifty @ 290

things come undone @ 284

How well was this bridge maintained was the concrete crumbling, was there exposed rebar, rust on the steel? I assume they used rock salt to melt the snow in winter that stuff does weaken concrete. Who is responsible for inspecting bridges the state or the feds.
If there is no evidence of physical damage before the crash, an unusal heavy load, or earthquake, well maybe very unlikly the construction workers did this.
But absent that then every bridge with this same design in the world should be looked at.

There was a huge state legislation issue in Minnesota recently concerning transportation. The Governor, Tim Pawlenty, has made a pledge to the head-up-the-ass taxpayer league, not to raise taxes. Well he didn’t, but Minnesota transportation issues have suffered from his narrow minded perspective.

So the state is responsible for the bridge. They better not have then cut the budget for Bridge,Building and Road inspections to save money!
This If we don’t do inspections then we don’t have to pay for repairs atitude is criminal. Too bad the politicans are all going to point fingers at the engineers and construction firm unless they are really politicaly connected.
Regular inspections can help identify unanticapated problems before they get to bad. Minnesotas Governor had better hope this was completely a bad design at fault.

Chicago’s own Smashing Pumpkins, doing what pumpkins do.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=u5fVBSQVCXI

(ignore me, in not up for collapsed bridges at the moment, so I’m tuning out)

things come undone @ 291

Who designed this bridge any past problems with this firm? Who built this do they have any past history of cutting corners a lot of engineers don’t like to walk steel and check welds. I’m not getting down on engineers my Dad was one but he did complain about guys who never went into the field and inspect things.

Have a friend who’s a safety inspector/construction guy for the state, he & his whole crew about as meticulous and nit-picky as you could hope to find. ‘Course, as referenced, “the head-up-the-ass taxpayer league” (ht johnSwifty) has been doing major caterwauling for years about MN taxes being too high. So Pukelenty and his thugs have cut taxes, lined their pockets, and, surprise, we no longer have the top schools, parks, quality of life etc that we used to have.

If i put on my tinfoil hat for a minute, lots of folks on bridge were heading to twins game. The voters have voted down every request for a new statium (MAJOR wealthy welfare handout to the owners of course.), last few years its been noise about moving stadium to the suburbs. Good reason to now, wouldn’t you say? Damn librul Mpls, with dark folk, Somalis, queers, and now unsafe bridges. Course we gotta move stadium to suburbs. Hat removed. Sorry for the rant folks. I’m upset, maybe you guessed, worrying about all the people i know who would have had good cause to be on the bridge.

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 296

I’m upset, maybe you guessed, worrying about all the people i know who would have had good cause to be on the bridge.

Hang in there grrl! There’s a lot to be pissed about. Right now I’m just worried!

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 296

things come undone @ 291

Who designed this bridge any past problems with this firm? Who built this do they have any past history of cutting corners a lot of engineers don’t like to walk steel and check welds. I’m not getting down on engineers my Dad was one but he did complain about guys who never went into the field and inspect things.

Have a friend who’s a safety inspector/construction guy for the state, he & his whole crew about as meticulous and nit-picky as you could hope to find. ‘Course, as referenced, “the head-up-the-ass taxpayer league” (ht johnSwifty) has been doing major caterwauling for years about MN taxes being too high. So Pukelenty and his thugs have cut taxes, lined their pockets, and, surprise, we no longer have the top schools, parks, quality of life etc that we used to have.

If i put on my tinfoil hat for a minute, lots of folks on bridge were heading to twins game. The voters have voted down every request for a new statium (MAJOR wealthy welfare handout to the owners of course.), last few years its been noise about moving stadium to the suburbs. Good reason to now, wouldn’t you say? Damn librul Mpls, with dark folk, Somalis, queers, and now unsafe bridges. Course we gotta move stadium to suburbs. Hat removed. Sorry for the rant folks. I’m upset, maybe you guessed, worrying about all the people i know who would have had good cause to be on the bridge.

Does your friend know when this bridge was last inspected? How did the bridge do on its inspection? Was there any mention of things that needed to be repaired?

things come undone @ 298

How did the bridge do on its inspection? Was there any mention of things that needed to be repaired?

It was actually under construction at the time.

things come undone @ 298

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 296

Have a friend who’s a safety inspector/construction guy for the state, he & his whole crew about as meticulous and nit-picky as you could hope to find. ‘Course, as referenced, “the head-up-the-ass taxpayer league” (ht johnSwifty) has been doing major caterwauling for years about MN taxes being too high. So Pukelenty and his thugs have cut taxes, lined their pockets, and, surprise, we no longer have the top schools, parks, quality of life etc that we used to have.

If i put on my tinfoil hat for a minute, lots of folks on bridge were heading to twins game. The voters have voted down every request for a new statium (MAJOR wealthy welfare handout to the owners of course.), last few years its been noise about moving stadium to the suburbs. Good reason to now, wouldn’t you say? Damn librul Mpls, with dark folk, Somalis, queers, and now unsafe bridges. Course we gotta move stadium to suburbs. Hat removed. Sorry for the rant folks. I’m upset, maybe you guessed, worrying about all the people i know who would have had good cause to be on the bridge.

Does your friend know when this bridge was last inspected? How did the bridge do on its inspection? Was there any mention of things that needed to be repaired?

Inquiring minds want to know… and it will come out in the days to follow. Of course, we’ll only see it here on the blogs. You know Bill O’ won’t be teling us.

johnSwifty @ 299

things come undone @ 298

How did the bridge do on its inspection? Was there any mention of things that needed to be repaired?

It was actually under construction at the time.

I’ve only heard that it was resurfacing. That sounds more like maintenance than construction to me. But I’m not there so I don’t know.

things come undone @ 298

Does your friend know when this bridge was last inspected? How did the bridge do on its inspection? Was there any mention of things that needed to be repaired?

Actually, he’s my sister’s sig. other-just spoke briefly enough to family to verify whereabouts, phone system here is near collapse as so many are trying frantically to reach each other. So i will be asking him these questions for all of us in the next few days, good excuse to invite myself over for supper ;-)

johnSwifty @ 299

things come undone @ 298

How did the bridge do on its inspection? Was there any mention of things that needed to be repaired?

It was actually under construction at the time.

no, “merely” repair work thats been going on most of the summer, looked like resurfacing (needs to be done a lot because of salt corroding roadways, and that bridge gets ver, ver icy in winter). Summer is always such an intense flurry of road work that all the different projects blur together as far as what is being done where. Major construction is underway several miles south where Hwy 62 (the “Crosstown”) and I35W. That was ranked #1 worst freeway exchange in US, they finally started ripping down & rebuilding in June of this year.

Have a great time, Christie (and other FDLers)! I’m incredibly jealous, although I have warm memories of last year’s romp in Las Vegas to comfort me. From the FDL session on Thursday AM (?) to the Sunday AM FDL breakfast, I had such a great time with this community.

Sadly, I’m travelling on family business way too much, and cant’ get the additional time away from work :( Could you or a designee please kick Hillary in the shins and tell her to get her act together on Iraq? Thanks…

Salut Punaise, bon voyage, amuse toi bien, ou mal, comme tu veux…

fdl breakfast friday morning 7-9am mccormack hyatt next door to convention center

Have fun in Chicago. I’m a Chicago native fairly recently transplanted to LA; I miss the small-city, big-cityness of Chicago and the “realness” of the people there. The food isn’t so bad either :)

juslin @ 110

okk@67

aging myself a bit – i saw paul butterfield at the old fillmore east in nyc – ohhh truly back in the day

MY DH played in NYC with Paul Butterfield, that was a LONG TIME AGO.