Federal prosecutors have based all of their evidence against Jose Padilla on one document with his signature and his fingerprints. Message to each juror being, “We are from the Justice Department – would we lie to you?”
In the 10 weeks that this conspiracy trial has taken place, where Padilla, Hassoun and Kifah are charged with conspiracy to murder, kidnap or maim people outside the United States, there have been some remarkably creative plays on many vague words, innocuous syllables, virtuous letters, said to reform in crafty variances of pure evil. You – ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the press, the citizens tuning in at home or abroad – are supposed to be convinced of their guilt based on intuition, guesswork.
You – we – are supposed to believe that phrases and words like “playing football”, “eating cheese” and paying $3,500 for “zucchini”, were code for nefarious, illegally evil terrorist deeds and actions for which these three should spend the rest of their lives in jail. Indeed, there was no sting operation which managed to collar these men inside a house with stockpiled weapons, documented plans or poisons. Instead of Semtex, they netted an endless pile of syntax.
The prosecution would have us all believe that words, perhaps millions of surreptitiously tape recorded words, have suspicious, duplicitous terrible hidden meanings. The Feds have 300,000 taped phone calls. Two hundred and thirty of those conversations form the core of the prosecution’s case, of which 21 make reference to Padilla. Of those tapes, Padilla’s voice is heard in only seven of them, and not a single time is Padilla discussing violence. The prosecution hasn’t produced one weapon used for murder, not one blindfold to be used in a kidnapping, not one knife to be used in a maiming.
The government has not allowed the jury or the public to view eighty-seven video tapes of Padilla being questioned in solitary confinement where we could see him, blindfolded, his ears muffled. This could prove that he was or wasn’t handed a piece paper or told to scribble his name in exchange for an extra ten minutes in the exercise yard. Why hasn’t the prosecution shown those tapes?
It doesn’t matter that the Feds have brought in their translators, a CIA operative-in-disguise, and one expert in terrorism whose expertise seems available only to governments. The case boils down to 300,000 telephone conversations with the jury listening only to a teeny-weeny,itsy-bitsy portion of the transcriptions. The prosecutions have made their selections. Here’s one of mine.
Here is part of one phone call on one day –2/08/97 August 2, 1997 never before revealed.
Among the participants in the call are:
ADHAM HASSOUN
UMM SAMIR, ADHAM’S mother-in-law)
HAJJ, (Nahid’s father in law/Adham’s father in law)
First Adham and Umm note it was the holiday of Eid, the Islamic holiday that marks the end of Ramadan.
UMMM SAMIR Did you lose weight or are you still the same?
ADHAM HASSOUN No, I’m pretty much the same
UMM SAMIR Yeah Praise me to Allah
ADHAM HASSOUN the same, the same, losing weight...my wife is not feeding me at all [sarcasm]
Then Hassoun and Umm discuss work-related vacation time.
ADHAM HASSOUN I an entitled to two weeks per year
UMM SAMIR Yea
ADHAM HASSOUN I would have been there for one year
UMM SAMIR Yeah
ADHAM HASSOUN And besides, I am tired. I have been working almost 6 or 7 days a week.
UMM SAMIR Yea, that’s right
ADHAM HASSOUN It’s work/work, work/home...They don’t even leave me alone when I’m on vacation...they keep calling me.
Later they talk of marriage
HAJJ Is she taking care of you?
ADHAM HASSOUN Her? Whatever Allah wishes...she is fixing me fava beans this morning.
HAJJ She is a righteous girl, a righteous girl, just like you.
ADHAM HASSOUN May Allah keep you.
HAJJ May Allah keep you
ADHAM HASSOUN By Allah, she comes from a prominent family, Hajj
HAJJ May Allah keep you
ADHAM HASSOUN May Allah send you one just like her
HAJJ Allah willing, Allah willing.
ADHAM HASSOUN Funeral! [popular interjection in Palestinian dialect which means Damn!”]
HAJJ By All, honor the honorable. May Allah keep you in good health keep away the evil doers...Allah willing.
ADHAM HASSOUN May Allah keep you Hajj.
HAJJ May He keep your children and may He keep your bride, Allah willing.
ADHAM HASSOUN May Allah keep you, may Allah always keep you...and the bride is already married...
HAJJ She is my beloved, she will always be a bride
ADHAM HASSOUN Yea
HAJJ To me she will always be a bride.
ADHAM HASSOUN Why? Could you be thinking about someone else Hajj? [Laughs]
HAJJ [Laughs] May Allah forgive me...by Almightily Allah...she will always be a bride in your presence..yeah
ADHAM HASSOUN [Laughs]
HAJJ You will always be her groom, hovering over her head...Allah willing...
Later they talk of children.
ADHAM HASSOUN No but every month she tells me, I think..uh..I might be pregnant.
HAJJ By Allah
ADHAM HASSOUN So every month, I tell her..
HAJJ Hopefully she will bear you twelve children.
ADHAM HASSOUN Yea
There you have the subject matters of another part of those 300,000 telephone taps: gaining weight, the need for more vacation time, fava beans and marriage, brides and the hope for twelve children.
Judge Cooke said at the beginning of the trial that the evidence was thin. Her exact words were, “Very light on facts.”
Thin? Light on facts? If you substituted the words “Jesus” for Allah, the conversation is more like a segment from The View.
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Sorry to be OT, but didn’t want this epu’d since folks were worrying.
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“wangdangdoodle @ 259
I’m just glad Mad Dogs and Phoenix Woman are OK. Hope all our Minneapolis Fire Pups are.
Are Balrog or ifthethunderdontgetya from that area?”***
I live in Mpls, Balrog is in Stillwater, 20-30 mi east of here. Biodun lives downtown Mpls IIRC
We all know how dangerous fava beans can be in the wrong hands.
I love fava beans with my rare babies. A little olive oil, salt, course black pepper…
I think I better go read the post.
argosfalcon at 5 and LS and jayt –
Hey all and I’ve never tried fava beans and never will
The only thing that sounds suspicious to me is the $3500 for zuchinni. Most people have to resort to nefarious means to give that stuff away.
Well, he did mention “evil-doers,” after all. That’s something.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 4
Thanks for caring!
And thank you Lew, for reporting!
wangdangdoodle @ 6
Well, I’m a total ass.
Lew -
1) did Padilla ever actually attend a training camp, or is the evidence found solely in the application?
2) was there independent verification to prove the handwriting belonged to Padilla, or does it all rest on fingerprints?
{{{{{Phoenix Woman, newdealfarmgrrrl, Mad Dogs, Balrog, everyone else up there in the Mpls area}}}}
Quick emergency OT:
Dear FDL folk –
The phone system in the Twin Cities is on the verge of collapse right now from all the phone calls. Please, don’t call — use e-mail, IM or text to get hold of your loved ones here!
Thanks.
Lea-no uh at 8
Of course, some of that was “suspicious.” But suspicion and proving beyond a reasonable doubt — waaaaay different. I can’t tell you the number of times some law enforcement type would tell me “If you knew what I knew…” Well, let’s all the G’s fess up and we’ll arrive at a verdict.
What is this mysterious “ev-i-dence” of which you speak? Evil Padilla was picked up on suspicion of evil. What more do you need?
Lew Koch @ 7
But Lew! I hear they go real well with a nice Chianti.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 4
Biodun lives just up the river from this bridge, but he doesn’t drive. As long as he wasn’t walking across at the time, he should be fine. Keep your fingers crossed!
Phoenix Woman at 10
Thank you….I am…in awe…I mean that.
fwiw, I do NOT want to hear from George fucking Bush tonight.
And what of the provenience of the document in question, if your going to have a kangaroo court, at least invite a kangaroo to the proceedings.
argosfalcon at 21
Padilla’s lawyer (for whom I have great respect) probably could have made much, much more about the fingerprints on the document, especially without that chain of evidence. But he calculated that the less time Padilla was mentioned, the better. As Padilla comes out now, he’s almost a bystander.
GW’s on the phone congratulating the govenator on putting 6.8 million peoples lives at risk without a natural disaster http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....RALPF1.DTL
Lew Koch @ 22
I wise person, and skillful.
Lew @ 15 - I was being a littly snarky. From everything you’ve reported on this, the evidence is so thin as to be laughable and I am dismayed that the trial has progressed to this point. Just another bit that makes me wonder WTF is going on in this country.
should be “A” wise etc.
50 cars plunged into the river.-
argosfalcon @ 23
Fucking Republican shits, playing chicken with old folks lives. Bastards.
The prosecution should perhaps be hospitalized if it is having such strong paranoid delusions.
LS @ 27
Lady on CNN thinks more like 100.
Lew. From all that you have seen and listened to, what is your impression? Can you feel free to say? I gather an impression from what you post, but I’d like to know; do you feel free to say what you think? Is this man a man who was involved in dangerous activities that are terrorist in character, or is this person innocent and a patsy? Do you feel free to state that opinion?
johnSwifty @ 18
Good to hear, if he walked, he’d use Hennepin or 3rd Ave bridges (no pedestrian traffic allowed on Interstate 35W bridge.
Don’t want to detract from Lew’s excellent post, so maybe those of us who have worries should move over to facebook.
Sorry to interrupt during such a busy time on FDL.
Believe me, I agree and support.
Firstly: I have followed this site for 3 or more
years. I read every day. Commented less than six
times. I changed my ‘handle’ because somebody else had a similar name. The difference
was ‘H’ or ‘N’. To the untrained eye, it is an easy mistake.
Thanks to all those who welcomed me under my previous ‘handle’.
I remember your ‘Handles’.
I guess the ‘Mods’ know. I do hope I have not
broken any serious rules.
P.S. Encourage the young ones to stay, and
become increasingly involved/interested.
raven @ 30
It’s bad.
jayt @ 20
Well, it’s after 9:00 so I don’t think we have to worry about that.
jayt @ 20
Especially not if the best he can do is more of the same crap DHS is already doing. Believe it or not, Chertoff, terrorist links were NOT the first thing on my mind when I learned what had happened in Minneapolis.
I don’t want to hear Bush tell us how much he is going to do for the Twin Cities area.
Check this out. Frequency of vibration regarding bridges - a known problem:
http://school.discovery.com/sc.....inger.html
marymccurnin @ 37
I think we can count on a quorum of opinion here that Bush should just keep his trap shut. His “help” with Katrina was plenty, thanks.
EvilDrPuma @ 36
Nope, concern was first. Then, second, was the anger at the lack of Republican funding.
Reminds me of NorthRidge or the Bay bridge collapse.
If just the right frequency occurs…kablambo.
Thanks for the concern everyone. Balrog and all are fine, but horrified.
It was the last bridge before exiting for the Metrodome for us. Twins games and Monster Truck extravaganzas - thank God we weren’t attending tonight.
LS at 31
I have always felt free to say anyhing I want within the constraints of being a responsible journalists. (Please remember I come from a small group personified by Mike Royko and Sy Hersh.) That said, I have from the git go, felt that Padilla was a very unexceptional young man raised in near poverty conditions who became, at 15, a murderer. I feel that in the Florida prison he underwent a real and serious conversion to Islam. And that his dedication to this new religion (which had not judged him on past performance) thrilled him. He want to repay those who carried the faith like a banner and gain their respect — no matter what the cost. But the gap between what Padilla was capable of, and what he could carry out, was as different as day and night. He may have wanted…but he was incapable. Thus…nothing of substance EVER occured. And it was his fantasy that he was being prosecuted for,
{{{{Balrog!))))
Good to hear from you!
johnSwifty @ 40
In precisely that order, yes.
{{{{{{Balrog}}}}}}
Fuckin’ A Tweety!!
Lew,
You and Rachel have done a awesome job in reporting this trial. In reading your reports it seems that they will be acquitted… or should be.
Do you think that if they are, there will be any back lash against the “State”? Will the gov bring new charges? Or apologize? hahaha
Will the defendants seek to press some sort of case for wrongful prosecution and all the abuse they have undergone? If the are acquitted it seems like they would have quite the case. Will we find out who pushed this to where it is today and will THEY be held accountable or can they be held accountable?
Any thoughts?
Perhaps some of the Bridge to Nowhere money could be used to shore up all of the bridges to somewhere.
-GSD
(((((((Loiterer)))))))
SanderO @ 48
I like the question, but I just don’t see an accountability moment coming from this bunch.
I want all the reports on the inspections done on this bridge especialy the last one do the reports square? Were there reports this bridge needed repairs?
Was the bridge inspected in a timely fashion as I assume is required by law? What if any problems did this bridge have?
Wind shere does not seem to be a factor. High temperture well maybe, I’m guessing bad design and or construction/maintence but construction and maintence problems can be found by inspection!
marymccurnin @ 37
I live in the Twin Cities, and I would be beyond offended if he opens his snarky, insincere, twisted, executively privileged mouth, and that’s a fact!!
Lew Koch @ 44
I hear you, I think. All grease and no machinery. Locally, passionate about the plight of what he perceived as an inherent injustice to his people, but personally incapable of, or unconnected to the “big guys”? Is that what you are saying?
yay, Balrog.
Thanks. No really, thanks.
radiofreewill @ 50
Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapse, 1940 (photos, with video link).
GSD @ 49
What start working on infrastructure with out the no bid process, and we have an Imperial action to fund.
barbara @ 53
You are dreaming, any way hey can get ANY positive press he’ll take. Imagine if he doesn’t say anything.
raven @ 59
maybe he’ll send the twins.
things come undone @ 52
Early speculation is that the steel (not the concrete) collapsed. At the time of the collapse, there was bumper to bumper traffic, all lanes, both directions. Maximum weight. A few semis. School bus.
THe Strib ran a lengthy article a few years ago about the terrible state of MN bridges and the failure to fund their restoration. We have been playing games with transportation-related funding (highway and bridge repair in particular) for many years — particularly under the administration of Bush Republican Tim Pawlenty.
Remember that name. I will.
argosfalcon @ 58
don’t ask, don’t Bechtel.
punaise @ 60
Or the Golden Gophers.
BALROG!
barbara @ 53
You forgot shit-filled.
Glad your’re Ok and weren’t on the bridge.
Will the defendants seek to press some sort of case for wrongful prosecution and all the abuse they have undergone? If the are acquitted it seems like they would have quite the case. Will we find out who pushed this to where it is today and will THEY be held accountable or can they be held accountable?
Any thoughts?
If I may…
Keep in mind that an acquittal does not necessarily mean that they will go free. As Mary has pointed out often and thoroughly, all of these defendants can still remain classified in such a way so that they will remain in jail, or brigs, or whatever.
Makes it a lot harder to push a wrongful arrest/prosecution case when you’re behind bars and invisible…
SanderO at 48
My nightmare scenario for your very thoughtful questions is this: Padilla is found not guilty and federal/military agents arrest him IN THE COURTROOM under the Military Commissions Act. And like every single outrageous action this lawless administration has taken, there will be a muffled, barely audible outcry.
As far as accountability, there will be none. Those who have bailed from the administration have found new, high powered, positions in the private or academic communities. They will not pay the price they should.
And Bush et al will not pay the piper because this congress, and the people they represent, are not yet prepared to put more on the line than mere disapproval.
That’s what the 60s showed, and frankly, I think it scared the shit out of almost everyone.
GSD @ 49
that is a goddammed brilliant way to frame that.
May 2000 eval saw “fatigue cracking”.
wangdangdoodle @ 65
Oh, thanks so much!
Re: the bridge.
Could there have been an electrical “event” that caused the metal to lose solidity? Kinesia? Weather?
WIGS - Ubiquitous Computing -
(note: this document is talking about the military but they will be the “governance managers” behind the scenes - networked to the private sector institutions of business and visible government (i.e. militarized police) - see http://www.channelingreality.c.....imodal.htm
Apparently Michael Chertoff’s nutsack wasn’t tingling about any infrastructure collapses.
While the US pours billions into the war ratholes the nation crumbles from within.
Hmmm…can anyone point to any historical analogies? Just kidding.
-GSD
KO is saying pedestrians and bicycles but folks from there say there is none of that kind of traffic??
Alfred K??? Where are you??
GSD @ 49
he he……….Good one!
You’re welcome. A lot has changed over three years, huh? I hope you’ll consider commenting more often.
Minneapolis friends…….so glad you all are safe.
Folks who want to know what happened — no worries. The lawyers are gonna be ALL OVER this m****rf****r. Insurance folks too. In fact I’d bet the rent they already are……offices a-lighting, cell phones a-ringin, ambulances a-chasin even as we speak. It is exhausting to contemplate.
GET CENTERED!
Good evening dear friends! Posting from Loo Hoo’s computer in Chicago. I have been away from a computer for far too long —- nearly 12 hours!
Glad all our MN firepups are OK.
Lew,
In your nightmare scenario, where Padilla is acquitted and then arrested I would think that the left and even the center in this nation will scream foul play. To me that would be a clear sign that there is no justice in this system and anyone who THEY want to take away… is without any legal protections. That is awfully scary. Padilla may be a ex whacked out teen gone moslem, but why couldn’t they take Eli Pariser or Michael Moore or me or you. This is a very chilling possibility… I hope it is only a nightmare and not something which we get to see.
Kids on the school bus are okay in Mpls bridge catastrophe.
Meanwhile, area bridges are being “swept” just in case.
Worst of all, perhaps — we have desperately needed rain here, and may get it tonight.
oddmommy @ 78
I bet if someone you knew was hurt or killed you’d get representation. INAL
Lew Koch @ 44
So the governments theory at first was a kid who I assume quit school at 15 from the Chicago Public School system. Was going to build a radioactive dirty bomb? Hmm? Mayor Daley must have really reformed the school system!
Or John Ashcroft is a lyin piece of….
Whats the new theory something about gas fires in apartments? This theory does sound more like Jose’s abilty level. But Al Quieda crashes airplanes into buildings their crime pattern does not fit with the idea of sending a guy to America to light fires. Its just to petty for a big time terroists organization.
Whats next Al Quieda is going to go on a shoplifting spree of Jihad?
Tex B (from ILL) @ 80
Wow. Lucky you!
EvilDrPuma @ 46
Yup. The third thing was how amazingly fast the response was, by both professional medical and law enforcement personnel and by average citizens on the scene. The death toll is going to be bad, but it could have been a lot worse.
And again, if you want to contact people in Minneapolis and Saint Paul, DO NOT CALL (especially by cellphone) — e-mail, IM or text them instead. Our phone system is understandably being taxed to the limit right now. Thanks!
Tex B and Loo Hoo
You do know the Chicago Red Squad is monitoring everything you write.
oddmommy @ 78
I’m a little ashamed to admit that that was one of my first thoughts too.
raven @ 74
Correct, I’m from Mpls, Hennepin Ave. bridge several blocks upstream, and 3rd Ave. bridge a block downstream are open to ped. & bicycle traffic, (esp. 3rd Ave bridge as it links U of M to West Bank, lots of students.) The Interstate 35W bridge does not allow pedestrian or bicycle traffic.
I would guess that if bicylists & pedestrians injured, it would be from debris raining down on parkways/roadways underneath bridge on both sides of river. Plus railroad tracks down there…
Lew Koch @ 87
TSA already went through my suitcase today. I have no more secrets.
And before it gets too late, I hope to meet many of you Friday and Saturday (although I’ll be here Friday around 6:30 for the column.)
raven @ 83
of course I would. And IAAL. Just poking a bit of fun at my own kind…..but perhaps not the best timing.
Bridge collapsed onto a train (freight, I think) and I heard at one point that there are businesses below the bridge as well.
Mayor R.T. Rybak (Mpls), a good Dem, is speaking now.
The slithery Tim Pawlenty (remember that name), a Bush Republican, is poised to speak. Parseltongue, I should think.
Six dead confirmed. Rybak says he has been informed this will be a very tragic night as time passes.
May be we could have a thread on infrastructure problems as part of a discussion of how the present junta neglects real problems for chasing the golden ring of power and control.
Tex B (from ILL) @ 80
Your in Chicago! you have to try the Maxwell street dogs, the pork chop sandwhiches, the stuffed pizza I suggest Connie’s. Too bad Pumpkin beer is out of season I think Illinois is the largest producer of Pumpkins
My best to the good folks in the Twin Cities area. As always, the people are the ones who will do the work and the asshats will come in later and claim credit.
-GSD
things come undone @ 95
And your vegetarian eatery suggestions?
argosfalcon at 94
You’re absolutely correct. The billion being poured into infrastructure are being dealt to Blackwater and companies who build tanks to the cops in Moline or Peoria can repulse the terrorists. If we don’t stop them in San Diego, Des Moines will be lost. An infrastructure discussion would be great.
things come undone @ 84
Pretty much, but every “incident” helps the cause, depending on how it is fed to the public. I, personally, wonder how the news feed is “fed” so rapidly to the reporters as they read their monitors. Who are those people?
Minneapolis bridge built in 1967. Was inspected in 2005 and 2006. No structural deficiencies identified. Deck might need rehabilitation by 2020, but no immediate nor structural problems. There was concrete repair, guardrail replacement, lights, joints being worked on, due for completion later this year.
You wanna see some contracts and money?
Billions and billions…..
-GSD
GSD @ 96
Success has many fathers, failure is an orphan.
and apologies to Lew for our Mpls tragedy hijacking this post, i suggested moving over to facebook, but nobody there in threads. Lew, such excellent, informative reporting on this.
another thought re ped. traffic reported on I35w, all the poor highway workers on the bridge, bad enough that their lives are threatened by constant road rage and nutsoid speeders.
My uninformed guess involves one of the supports giving way…that’s crumbly limestone there. When Mpls was founded, it was founded there because of St. Anthony Falls. Dammed up now, but if the dam wasn’t there, the falls would have eroded away to rapids by this time. Could be a cave/sinkhole opening up with aquifer levels sinking? Any thoughts from the scientist types here?
Could I just say that firepups are the best? I’m just one among many here from MN, but you are so kind. Thanks.