Federal prosecutors have based all of their evidence against Jose Padilla on one document with his signature and his fingerprints. Message to each juror being, “We are from the Justice Department – would we lie to you?”
In the 10 weeks that this conspiracy trial has taken place, where Padilla, Hassoun and Kifah are charged with conspiracy to murder, kidnap or maim people outside the United States, there have been some remarkably creative plays on many vague words, innocuous syllables, virtuous letters, said to reform in crafty variances of pure evil. You – ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the press, the citizens tuning in at home or abroad – are supposed to be convinced of their guilt based on intuition, guesswork.
You – we – are supposed to believe that phrases and words like “playing football”, “eating cheese” and paying $3,500 for “zucchini”, were code for nefarious, illegally evil terrorist deeds and actions for which these three should spend the rest of their lives in jail. Indeed, there was no sting operation which managed to collar these men inside a house with stockpiled weapons, documented plans or poisons. Instead of Semtex, they netted an endless pile of syntax.
The prosecution would have us all believe that words, perhaps millions of surreptitiously tape recorded words, have suspicious, duplicitous terrible hidden meanings. The Feds have 300,000 taped phone calls. Two hundred and thirty of those conversations form the core of the prosecution’s case, of which 21 make reference to Padilla. Of those tapes, Padilla’s voice is heard in only seven of them, and not a single time is Padilla discussing violence. The prosecution hasn’t produced one weapon used for murder, not one blindfold to be used in a kidnapping, not one knife to be used in a maiming.
The government has not allowed the jury or the public to view eighty-seven video tapes of Padilla being questioned in solitary confinement where we could see him, blindfolded, his ears muffled. This could prove that he was or wasn’t handed a piece paper or told to scribble his name in exchange for an extra ten minutes in the exercise yard. Why hasn’t the prosecution shown those tapes?
It doesn’t matter that the Feds have brought in their translators, a CIA operative-in-disguise, and one expert in terrorism whose expertise seems available only to governments. The case boils down to 300,000 telephone conversations with the jury listening only to a teeny-weeny,itsy-bitsy portion of the transcriptions. The prosecutions have made their selections. Here’s one of mine.
Here is part of one phone call on one day –2/08/97 August 2, 1997 never before revealed.
Among the participants in the call are:
ADHAM HASSOUN
UMM SAMIR, ADHAM’S mother-in-law)
HAJJ, (Nahid’s father in law/Adham’s father in law)
First Adham and Umm note it was the holiday of Eid, the Islamic holiday that marks the end of Ramadan.
UMMM SAMIR Did you lose weight or are you still the same?
ADHAM HASSOUN No, I’m pretty much the same
UMM SAMIR Yeah Praise me to Allah
ADHAM HASSOUN the same, the same, losing weight…my wife is not feeding me at all [sarcasm]
Then Hassoun and Umm discuss work-related vacation time.
ADHAM HASSOUN I an entitled to two weeks per year
UMM SAMIR Yea
ADHAM HASSOUN I would have been there for one year
UMM SAMIR Yeah
ADHAM HASSOUN And besides, I am tired. I have been working almost 6 or 7 days a week.
UMM SAMIR Yea, that’s right
ADHAM HASSOUN It’s work/work, work/home…They don’t even leave me alone when I’m on vacation…they keep calling me.
Later they talk of marriage
HAJJ Is she taking care of you?
ADHAM HASSOUN Her? Whatever Allah wishes…she is fixing me fava beans this morning.
HAJJ She is a righteous girl, a righteous girl, just like you.
ADHAM HASSOUN May Allah keep you.
HAJJ May Allah keep you
ADHAM HASSOUN By Allah, she comes from a prominent family, Hajj
HAJJ May Allah keep you
ADHAM HASSOUN May Allah send you one just like her
HAJJ Allah willing, Allah willing.
ADHAM HASSOUN Funeral! [popular interjection in Palestinian dialect which means Damn!”]
HAJJ By All, honor the honorable. May Allah keep you in good health keep away the evil doers…Allah willing.
ADHAM HASSOUN May Allah keep you Hajj.
HAJJ May He keep your children and may He keep your bride, Allah willing.
ADHAM HASSOUN May Allah keep you, may Allah always keep you…and the bride is already married…
HAJJ She is my beloved, she will always be a bride
ADHAM HASSOUN Yea
HAJJ To me she will always be a bride.
ADHAM HASSOUN Why? Could you be thinking about someone else Hajj? [Laughs]
HAJJ [Laughs] May Allah forgive me…by Almightily Allah…she will always be a bride in your presence..yeah
ADHAM HASSOUN [Laughs]
HAJJ You will always be her groom, hovering over her head…Allah willing…
Later they talk of children.
ADHAM HASSOUN No but every month she tells me, I think..uh..I might be pregnant.
HAJJ By Allah
ADHAM HASSOUN So every month, I tell her..
HAJJ Hopefully she will bear you twelve children.
ADHAM HASSOUN Yea
There you have the subject matters of another part of those 300,000 telephone taps: gaining weight, the need for more vacation time, fava beans and marriage, brides and the hope for twelve children.
Judge Cooke said at the beginning of the trial that the evidence was thin. Her exact words were, “Very light on facts.”
Thin? Light on facts? If you substituted the words “Jesus” for Allah, the conversation is more like a segment from The View.
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Sorry to be OT, but didn’t want this epu’d since folks were worrying.
***Eureka Springs @ 269
“wangdangdoodle @ 259
I’m just glad Mad Dogs and Phoenix Woman are OK. Hope all our Minneapolis Fire Pups are.
Are Balrog or ifthethunderdontgetya from that area?”***
I live in Mpls, Balrog is in Stillwater, 20-30 mi east of here. Biodun lives downtown Mpls IIRC
We all know how dangerous fava beans can be in the wrong hands.
I love fava beans with my rare babies. A little olive oil, salt, course black pepper…
I think I better go read the post.
argosfalcon at 5 and LS and jayt –
Hey all and I’ve never tried fava beans and never will
The only thing that sounds suspicious to me is the $3500 for zuchinni. Most people have to resort to nefarious means to give that stuff away.
Well, he did mention “evil-doers,” after all. That’s something.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 4
Thanks for caring!
And thank you Lew, for reporting!
wangdangdoodle @ 6
Well, I’m a total ass.
Lew –
1) did Padilla ever actually attend a training camp, or is the evidence found solely in the application?
2) was there independent verification to prove the handwriting belonged to Padilla, or does it all rest on fingerprints?
{{{{{Phoenix Woman, newdealfarmgrrrl, Mad Dogs, Balrog, everyone else up there in the Mpls area}}}}
Quick emergency OT:
Dear FDL folk –
The phone system in the Twin Cities is on the verge of collapse right now from all the phone calls. Please, don’t call — use e-mail, IM or text to get hold of your loved ones here!
Thanks.
Lea-no uh at 8
Of course, some of that was “suspicious.” But suspicion and proving beyond a reasonable doubt — waaaaay different. I can’t tell you the number of times some law enforcement type would tell me “If you knew what I knew…” Well, let’s all the G’s fess up and we’ll arrive at a verdict.
What is this mysterious “ev-i-dence” of which you speak? Evil Padilla was picked up on suspicion of evil. What more do you need?
Lew Koch @ 7
But Lew! I hear they go real well with a nice Chianti.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 4
Biodun lives just up the river from this bridge, but he doesn’t drive. As long as he wasn’t walking across at the time, he should be fine. Keep your fingers crossed!
Phoenix Woman at 10
Thank you….I am…in awe…I mean that.
fwiw, I do NOT want to hear from George fucking Bush tonight.
And what of the provenience of the document in question, if your going to have a kangaroo court, at least invite a kangaroo to the proceedings.
argosfalcon at 21
Padilla’s lawyer (for whom I have great respect) probably could have made much, much more about the fingerprints on the document, especially without that chain of evidence. But he calculated that the less time Padilla was mentioned, the better. As Padilla comes out now, he’s almost a bystander.
GW’s on the phone congratulating the govenator on putting 6.8 million peoples lives at risk without a natural disaster http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..RALPF1.DTL
Lew Koch @ 22
I wise person, and skillful.
Lew @ 15 – I was being a littly snarky. From everything you’ve reported on this, the evidence is so thin as to be laughable and I am dismayed that the trial has progressed to this point. Just another bit that makes me wonder WTF is going on in this country.
should be “A” wise etc.
50 cars plunged into the river.-
argosfalcon @ 23
Fucking Republican shits, playing chicken with old folks lives. Bastards.
The prosecution should perhaps be hospitalized if it is having such strong paranoid delusions.
LS @ 27
Lady on CNN thinks more like 100.
Lew. From all that you have seen and listened to, what is your impression? Can you feel free to say? I gather an impression from what you post, but I’d like to know; do you feel free to say what you think? Is this man a man who was involved in dangerous activities that are terrorist in character, or is this person innocent and a patsy? Do you feel free to state that opinion?
johnSwifty @ 18
Good to hear, if he walked, he’d use Hennepin or 3rd Ave bridges (no pedestrian traffic allowed on Interstate 35W bridge.
Don’t want to detract from Lew’s excellent post, so maybe those of us who have worries should move over to facebook.
Sorry to interrupt during such a busy time on FDL.
Believe me, I agree and support.
Firstly: I have followed this site for 3 or more
years. I read every day. Commented less than six
times. I changed my ‘handle’ because somebody else had a similar name. The difference
was ‘H’ or ‘N’. To the untrained eye, it is an easy mistake.
Thanks to all those who welcomed me under my previous ‘handle’.
I remember your ‘Handles’.
I guess the ‘Mods’ know. I do hope I have not
broken any serious rules.
P.S. Encourage the young ones to stay, and
become increasingly involved/interested.
raven @ 30
It’s bad.
jayt @ 20
Well, it’s after 9:00 so I don’t think we have to worry about that.
jayt @ 20
Especially not if the best he can do is more of the same crap DHS is already doing. Believe it or not, Chertoff, terrorist links were NOT the first thing on my mind when I learned what had happened in Minneapolis.
I don’t want to hear Bush tell us how much he is going to do for the Twin Cities area.
Check this out. Frequency of vibration regarding bridges – a known problem:
http://school.discovery.com/sc…..inger.html
marymccurnin @ 37
I think we can count on a quorum of opinion here that Bush should just keep his trap shut. His “help” with Katrina was plenty, thanks.
EvilDrPuma @ 36
Nope, concern was first. Then, second, was the anger at the lack of Republican funding.
Reminds me of NorthRidge or the Bay bridge collapse.
If just the right frequency occurs…kablambo.
Thanks for the concern everyone. Balrog and all are fine, but horrified.
It was the last bridge before exiting for the Metrodome for us. Twins games and Monster Truck extravaganzas – thank God we weren’t attending tonight.
LS at 31
I have always felt free to say anyhing I want within the constraints of being a responsible journalists. (Please remember I come from a small group personified by Mike Royko and Sy Hersh.) That said, I have from the git go, felt that Padilla was a very unexceptional young man raised in near poverty conditions who became, at 15, a murderer. I feel that in the Florida prison he underwent a real and serious conversion to Islam. And that his dedication to this new religion (which had not judged him on past performance) thrilled him. He want to repay those who carried the faith like a banner and gain their respect — no matter what the cost. But the gap between what Padilla was capable of, and what he could carry out, was as different as day and night. He may have wanted…but he was incapable. Thus…nothing of substance EVER occured. And it was his fantasy that he was being prosecuted for,
{{{{Balrog!))))
Good to hear from you!
johnSwifty @ 40
In precisely that order, yes.
{{{{{{Balrog}}}}}}
Fuckin’ A Tweety!!
Lew,
You and Rachel have done a awesome job in reporting this trial. In reading your reports it seems that they will be acquitted… or should be.
Do you think that if they are, there will be any back lash against the “State”? Will the gov bring new charges? Or apologize? hahaha
Will the defendants seek to press some sort of case for wrongful prosecution and all the abuse they have undergone? If the are acquitted it seems like they would have quite the case. Will we find out who pushed this to where it is today and will THEY be held accountable or can they be held accountable?
Any thoughts?
Perhaps some of the Bridge to Nowhere money could be used to shore up all of the bridges to somewhere.
-GSD
(((((((Loiterer)))))))
SanderO @ 48
I like the question, but I just don’t see an accountability moment coming from this bunch.
I want all the reports on the inspections done on this bridge especialy the last one do the reports square? Were there reports this bridge needed repairs?
Was the bridge inspected in a timely fashion as I assume is required by law? What if any problems did this bridge have?
Wind shere does not seem to be a factor. High temperture well maybe, I’m guessing bad design and or construction/maintence but construction and maintence problems can be found by inspection!
marymccurnin @ 37
I live in the Twin Cities, and I would be beyond offended if he opens his snarky, insincere, twisted, executively privileged mouth, and that’s a fact!!
Lew Koch @ 44
I hear you, I think. All grease and no machinery. Locally, passionate about the plight of what he perceived as an inherent injustice to his people, but personally incapable of, or unconnected to the “big guys”? Is that what you are saying?
yay, Balrog.
Thanks. No really, thanks.
radiofreewill @ 50
Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapse, 1940 (photos, with video link).
GSD @ 49
What start working on infrastructure with out the no bid process, and we have an Imperial action to fund.
barbara @ 53
You are dreaming, any way hey can get ANY positive press he’ll take. Imagine if he doesn’t say anything.
raven @ 59
maybe he’ll send the twins.
things come undone @ 52
Early speculation is that the steel (not the concrete) collapsed. At the time of the collapse, there was bumper to bumper traffic, all lanes, both directions. Maximum weight. A few semis. School bus.
THe Strib ran a lengthy article a few years ago about the terrible state of MN bridges and the failure to fund their restoration. We have been playing games with transportation-related funding (highway and bridge repair in particular) for many years — particularly under the administration of Bush Republican Tim Pawlenty.
Remember that name. I will.
argosfalcon @ 58
don’t ask, don’t Bechtel.
punaise @ 60
Or the Golden Gophers.
BALROG!
barbara @ 53
You forgot shit-filled.
Glad your’re Ok and weren’t on the bridge.
Will the defendants seek to press some sort of case for wrongful prosecution and all the abuse they have undergone? If the are acquitted it seems like they would have quite the case. Will we find out who pushed this to where it is today and will THEY be held accountable or can they be held accountable?
Any thoughts?
If I may…
Keep in mind that an acquittal does not necessarily mean that they will go free. As Mary has pointed out often and thoroughly, all of these defendants can still remain classified in such a way so that they will remain in jail, or brigs, or whatever.
Makes it a lot harder to push a wrongful arrest/prosecution case when you’re behind bars and invisible…
SanderO at 48
My nightmare scenario for your very thoughtful questions is this: Padilla is found not guilty and federal/military agents arrest him IN THE COURTROOM under the Military Commissions Act. And like every single outrageous action this lawless administration has taken, there will be a muffled, barely audible outcry.
As far as accountability, there will be none. Those who have bailed from the administration have found new, high powered, positions in the private or academic communities. They will not pay the price they should.
And Bush et al will not pay the piper because this congress, and the people they represent, are not yet prepared to put more on the line than mere disapproval.
That’s what the 60s showed, and frankly, I think it scared the shit out of almost everyone.
GSD @ 49
that is a goddammed brilliant way to frame that.
May 2000 eval saw “fatigue cracking”.
wangdangdoodle @ 65
Oh, thanks so much!
Re: the bridge.
Could there have been an electrical “event” that caused the metal to lose solidity? Kinesia? Weather?
WIGS – Ubiquitous Computing -
(note: this document is talking about the military but they will be the “governance managers” behind the scenes – networked to the private sector institutions of business and visible government (i.e. militarized police) – see http://www.channelingreality.c…..imodal.htm
Apparently Michael Chertoff’s nutsack wasn’t tingling about any infrastructure collapses.
While the US pours billions into the war ratholes the nation crumbles from within.
Hmmm…can anyone point to any historical analogies? Just kidding.
-GSD
KO is saying pedestrians and bicycles but folks from there say there is none of that kind of traffic??
Alfred K??? Where are you??
GSD @ 49
he he……….Good one!
You’re welcome. A lot has changed over three years, huh? I hope you’ll consider commenting more often.
Minneapolis friends…….so glad you all are safe.
Folks who want to know what happened — no worries. The lawyers are gonna be ALL OVER this m****rf****r. Insurance folks too. In fact I’d bet the rent they already are……offices a-lighting, cell phones a-ringin, ambulances a-chasin even as we speak. It is exhausting to contemplate.
GET CENTERED!
Good evening dear friends! Posting from Loo Hoo’s computer in Chicago. I have been away from a computer for far too long —- nearly 12 hours!
Glad all our MN firepups are OK.
Lew,
In your nightmare scenario, where Padilla is acquitted and then arrested I would think that the left and even the center in this nation will scream foul play. To me that would be a clear sign that there is no justice in this system and anyone who THEY want to take away… is without any legal protections. That is awfully scary. Padilla may be a ex whacked out teen gone moslem, but why couldn’t they take Eli Pariser or Michael Moore or me or you. This is a very chilling possibility… I hope it is only a nightmare and not something which we get to see.
Kids on the school bus are okay in Mpls bridge catastrophe.
Meanwhile, area bridges are being “swept” just in case.
Worst of all, perhaps — we have desperately needed rain here, and may get it tonight.
oddmommy @ 78
I bet if someone you knew was hurt or killed you’d get representation. INAL
Lew Koch @ 44
So the governments theory at first was a kid who I assume quit school at 15 from the Chicago Public School system. Was going to build a radioactive dirty bomb? Hmm? Mayor Daley must have really reformed the school system!
Or John Ashcroft is a lyin piece of….
Whats the new theory something about gas fires in apartments? This theory does sound more like Jose’s abilty level. But Al Quieda crashes airplanes into buildings their crime pattern does not fit with the idea of sending a guy to America to light fires. Its just to petty for a big time terroists organization.
Whats next Al Quieda is going to go on a shoplifting spree of Jihad?
Tex B (from ILL) @ 80
Wow. Lucky you!
EvilDrPuma @ 46
Yup. The third thing was how amazingly fast the response was, by both professional medical and law enforcement personnel and by average citizens on the scene. The death toll is going to be bad, but it could have been a lot worse.
And again, if you want to contact people in Minneapolis and Saint Paul, DO NOT CALL (especially by cellphone) — e-mail, IM or text them instead. Our phone system is understandably being taxed to the limit right now. Thanks!
Tex B and Loo Hoo
You do know the Chicago Red Squad is monitoring everything you write.
oddmommy @ 78
I’m a little ashamed to admit that that was one of my first thoughts too.
raven @ 74
Correct, I’m from Mpls, Hennepin Ave. bridge several blocks upstream, and 3rd Ave. bridge a block downstream are open to ped. & bicycle traffic, (esp. 3rd Ave bridge as it links U of M to West Bank, lots of students.) The Interstate 35W bridge does not allow pedestrian or bicycle traffic.
I would guess that if bicylists & pedestrians injured, it would be from debris raining down on parkways/roadways underneath bridge on both sides of river. Plus railroad tracks down there…
Lew Koch @ 87
TSA already went through my suitcase today. I have no more secrets.
And before it gets too late, I hope to meet many of you Friday and Saturday (although I’ll be here Friday around 6:30 for the column.)
raven @ 83
of course I would. And IAAL. Just poking a bit of fun at my own kind…..but perhaps not the best timing.
Bridge collapsed onto a train (freight, I think) and I heard at one point that there are businesses below the bridge as well.
Mayor R.T. Rybak (Mpls), a good Dem, is speaking now.
The slithery Tim Pawlenty (remember that name), a Bush Republican, is poised to speak. Parseltongue, I should think.
Six dead confirmed. Rybak says he has been informed this will be a very tragic night as time passes.
May be we could have a thread on infrastructure problems as part of a discussion of how the present junta neglects real problems for chasing the golden ring of power and control.
Tex B (from ILL) @ 80
Your in Chicago! you have to try the Maxwell street dogs, the pork chop sandwhiches, the stuffed pizza I suggest Connie’s. Too bad Pumpkin beer is out of season I think Illinois is the largest producer of Pumpkins
My best to the good folks in the Twin Cities area. As always, the people are the ones who will do the work and the asshats will come in later and claim credit.
-GSD
things come undone @ 95
And your vegetarian eatery suggestions?
argosfalcon at 94
You’re absolutely correct. The billion being poured into infrastructure are being dealt to Blackwater and companies who build tanks to the cops in Moline or Peoria can repulse the terrorists. If we don’t stop them in San Diego, Des Moines will be lost. An infrastructure discussion would be great.
things come undone @ 84
Pretty much, but every “incident” helps the cause, depending on how it is fed to the public. I, personally, wonder how the news feed is “fed” so rapidly to the reporters as they read their monitors. Who are those people?
Minneapolis bridge built in 1967. Was inspected in 2005 and 2006. No structural deficiencies identified. Deck might need rehabilitation by 2020, but no immediate nor structural problems. There was concrete repair, guardrail replacement, lights, joints being worked on, due for completion later this year.
You wanna see some contracts and money?
Billions and billions…..
-GSD
GSD @ 96
Success has many fathers, failure is an orphan.
and apologies to Lew for our Mpls tragedy hijacking this post, i suggested moving over to facebook, but nobody there in threads. Lew, such excellent, informative reporting on this.
another thought re ped. traffic reported on I35w, all the poor highway workers on the bridge, bad enough that their lives are threatened by constant road rage and nutsoid speeders.
My uninformed guess involves one of the supports giving way…that’s crumbly limestone there. When Mpls was founded, it was founded there because of St. Anthony Falls. Dammed up now, but if the dam wasn’t there, the falls would have eroded away to rapids by this time. Could be a cave/sinkhole opening up with aquifer levels sinking? Any thoughts from the scientist types here?
Could I just say that firepups are the best? I’m just one among many here from MN, but you are so kind. Thanks.
Red Cross asking for donations of blood and money. 612-460-3700 donation hotline.
the asshats will come in later and claim credit.
Bush oughta just re-run his well-lit, well-staged speech from New Orleans. Just over-dub “Minneapolis” for “New Orleans”, and “bridge collapse” for “Hurricane Katrina”.
It’d save time and money, and would be just as
sinceremuch bullshit as was the Katrina speech.argosfalcon @ 94
We need a stuctural engineer who has done design work and field inspections of bridges. Someone who knows the reputations of the design firm that designed the bridge and the rep of the construction firm that built the bridge.
We need to know if they get a lot of government jobs because they contibute to political campaigns. God help Bush if Bechtel designed and built this. (I’m pretty sure they design and do construction work)
LS at 99
Do not count on the MSM media for anything. It will have to be shoved down their throat by small magazines and the blogs/alternative media which begin to build true momentum that the MSM can no longer ignore.
There is a large safety factor in steel design, Having said that, when one member of a truss fails it may over load an adjacent one beyond its safety factor and it collapses like a house of cards.
Structures have resonant frequencies and this can also lead to structure failure which is why if all runners in a packed marathon ran in rhythm over a bridge, they could initiate a collapse theoretically though standing the structure would be fine.
It is also obvious that the bridge was loaded to capacity, but how that relates to its design capacity is another matter.
I would guess that it is bolt or weld failure. What do I know? Paint can conceal corrosion and a proper metal maintenance requires removal of all paint and even x ray analysis of bolts.
newdealfarmgrrrlll at 103
Hey, whatever works. I’ll be back here Friday early evening with something that I think will really frost you.
On the way from airport to hotel this evening the shuttle van drove over a metal bridge that I swear was 3/4 rust and 1/4 metal.
As to the underlaying geology I don’t have enought data, that said it would be entirely possible that this could be a part of this tragedy. The reports of inspections I would bet might be suspect (2005 given the funding levels that are common). Most inspection does not include geologists, I just hear echo’s of the army corps fine job of analysis, in NOLA.
I always suspected Hannibal Lechter was al-Qaeda.
texasbetsy!!!!!! in chi-town ok WOW :)
yes, businesses close by as well as parkway, roadway, railroad tracks.
msnbc has a slideshow on their front page, last slide (#9) shows old photo with some detail (parkway on right, industry on left, most of buildings don’t show, U of M would be at top of photo, downtown Mpls to right side of photo.)
I’ve been worried about infrastructure for years, sorry Rethugs, you can’t
keep cutting corners with this type of thing.
Lew Koch @ 108
I don’t. I just wanted to know if your personal impression was that it was a bogus charge, or not.
LS at 116
Bogus from the very moment Ashcroft opened his mouth in May, 2002.
In 2001, a study done on the bridge reflected concern about insufficient “redundancy,” i.e., no backup support system if something went wrong.
Sorry. I have become a one-topic, off-topic motor mouth.
I still don’t get the government’s case. They have people on tape talking about “zucchini”, and the prosecution wants us to believe that it’s code for “rocket launchers”. I’d be willing to believe that if you had SOMEONE testifying that one of the defendants actually bought or sold a rocket launcher. Or that they even tried to. Or that someone saw a picture of a rocket launcher somewhere, and then three weeks later they saw the defendants. Otherwise, I’m going to assume that “zucchini” means, well, “zucchini”. Or maybe there were womenfolk in the room when they were on the phone, and “zucchini” meant “hookers”. But conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt? Are you serious?
THHHUUUUUUH Yankees win.
A-Rod 0 for 4.
Boston wins also :-(
Bonds pops up in first AB.
Lew Koch at 116
Bogus from Ashcroft;s announcement June 10 about Padilla’s arrest May 8
chimpy – “we’re fighting over there for safe bridges here” – thats my take on preznit
Lew Koch @ 110
Good grief, Lew–
what could be more infuriating than what you’ve been describing?
(I mean, the outrage does get hard to sustain when it’s required every minute as this admin does something more outrageous than the last minute, but still…)
I’m hoping to be out most of Friday evening, but I’ll be sure to check for your post.
Lew Koch @ 117
bada bing. Me 2.
With the number of bogus cases that have been brought its remarkable that is been so easy to distract the general public from the number of these types of cases and the quality of the evidence presented.
Frank Probst at 119
That is exactly why Padilla’s lawyer has rested without calling a witness. He hopes the jury has the same sense. Remember it was William Buckley who said he would rather be governed by the first 100 people in the Boston phone book rather than the entire faculty of Harvard University.
You twin cities people are likely to see Clusterfuck’s sorry ass as he tries to atone for takin a dump all through the Katrin aftermath.
barbara @ 118
I think you get a pass when a bridge collapses in your backyard. Motor away……
TexB – I’m glad to see you’ve arrived safely. Will you be blogging regularly through YKos?
Tex B (from Ill ) @97 What blaspheme! When your in the city of big shoulders, the Hog Butcher of the world how can you not….(sigh) try the stuffed spinach pizza. The dark Rye bread is great. Pumpkinbran muffins are probably out of season. Arab food humus, China town.
I’ll ask my sister she probably knows the nonmeat places better than I do. The museum of Science and Industry, the Shedd aquariam, and the Art Insititue are all on LSD like in the Aliotta Haynes Jeremiah song.
tejanarusa at 123
I don’t want to over promise (yes I do) but Friday’s column has made ME crazy (or…crazier.)
You know I’m beginning like I’m in a political version Moby Dick and Captain Ahab is hunting his white whale destroying everything in his path.
First mention of “Army Corps of Engineers”…..Katrina…Hellloooooooo
nevermind
oddmommy @ 129
Thanks. Sorry, Lew!
Lew Koch @ 131
Give us a hint?
Can we assume it’s Padilla/trial-related?
rwcole @ 127
You twin cities people are likely to see Clusterfuck’s sorry ass as he tries to atone for takin a dump all through the Katrin aftermath.
MSNBC – Arc lights are on the way to the scene.
Tex B (from ILL) @ 111
You were crossing the Chicago River? Were the car tires made a funny noise.
CNN: Looks like Northridge. Uh. Huh.
The Bridge Over the River, Cry.
Agents lookin for a forlorn lookin church to serve as a backdrop for the Clusterfucker as he addresses america on the riveting subject of “What a good boy am I” (Pulling out Plum).
Rumble…then collapse.
barbara at 135 and everyone else concerned about the bridge. It’s fine to go OT. It’s important. It’s necessary. This is the way a blog should go –with the, er, flow.
And then there was the steam pipe blow up a week or so ago. Dja think the infrastructure is rottin?
The Padilla ‘trial’ is a witch hunt. No more no less. Further, it dimishes respect for law and ANY expectation of Justice.
Its purose was to intimidate, frighten and silence any and all of us.
Typical of our strutting Banty cock, it is much crowing about damned little.
How many years has California been trying fix it’s known bridge and over pass issues, spread this over the nation and well. Its like watching pot holes forming and pavement crumbling before you.
tejanarusa @ 129
tejanarusa at 136
Yes trial related. I only wish the jury could know what the column proves.
Lew Koch @ 143
Lew, you’re the best.
Padilla showed up at a time when the Clusterfuckers hadn’t caught anything despite breaking every law in the book and spendin millions of dollars- they needed to bring home a fish- and he fit the bill.
barbara @ 118
I think it means the bridge was at capacity it wasn’t designed for the heavy loads they the government was putting on it.
Way to much traffic than it was designed for! If so the designer and construction guys are off the hook. Bridge Inspector should have been more forceful in his report. Politicans in charge get the most blame!
GSD @ 73
GSD.
As always, short, to the point, and spot on.
It has been 6-9 months since someone spotted the Roman pirate/over-reaction/civil collapse analogy, but it haunts me.
Inconvenient truth.
things come undone at 115
Right now, the Minneapolis Tribune should have put together a team or four or five or their top investigative reporters and told to file — for the NEXT SIX MONTHS. Get the story and don’t come back till you do. Meanwhile, we’re going to print it all..including names.
rwcole @ 127
I’ll be there with an IMPEACH! sign. & i bet a lot of my friends & relatives would do the same.
My dad was a highway engineer in California. After the earthquake that flattened the VA Hospital he took me “behind the lines” to see what had fallen and also, with a lot of pride, to show me that the highways and overpasses he had designed had not collapsed. Of course, that was “back in the day,” before all of the tax cuts, when there was actually something called maintenance.
David W. Bartoo @ 145
Witch hunt, yes. Frighten the rest of us, no. Very few Americans would feel that they could be in Padilla’s place.
My interpretation of all these “terrorist” persecutions is pretty banal,which is whereI think their minds are. I think they’re all about making W look like he’s making progress on terrorism.
I’m curious about why they can’t catch any real terrorists-only ones where they plant a provacateur, among folks who are too dumb to tie their shoes, or too poor to own shoes. After all, they’re monitoring every piece of communications, torturing people to extract confessions. Don’t you all wonder why they’ve never caught a real terrorist?
Lew Koch @ 154
Is this Snark or are you serious, I really hope your serious that would give me Hope!
“I’ll be there with an IMPEACH! sign. & i bet a lot of my friends & relatives would do the same”
The Clusterfucker will speak in the middle of the night in front of a forlorn church with NO AUDIENCE.
Lew Koch @ 154
Go for it!!
eCAHNomics at 157
See my Friday column for an answer.
things come undone @ 151
Something I used to know about trucking percolating in the back of my mind. Something about regs or taxes result in very large trucks. Anyone know anything more about that?
“No one feels worse than Laura an Me about this tunnel collapsin!”
Lets see, failing infrastructure, inability to plan for or execute needed services, a hollow military and an embattled man who would be king who appears to be dangerously unstable liable to do anything. Man what a country, whats next maybe the economy is ready to take off its shoes.
argosfalcon @ 94
That is a good idea, I think.
Wasn’t it just last week that a bridge or an overpass in California fell? I think it was under construction.
I really hope your serious that would give me Hope!
Serious…because I think it would sell papers.
Lew Koch @ 148
Well, you’ve certainly piqued my interest. I’ll be checking in Fri.
BTW, I am really glad you’re doing these posts on the trial. I hear virtually nothing about it anywhere else. It’s very important – but of course, so much less important than Lindsay’s latest arrest or the cat that predicts death/comforts the dying. Thanks for your work.
eCAHNomics @ 162
Truck inspections weigh stations to check if your load is to heavy are you thinking we had an overweight CONVOY ON THE BRIDGE!
You know, that is exactly right. And it’s the kind of thing no one ever focuses on, because there’s no big shiny object…..but the fact is the robbery and pillage of this country by these hateful (yes I HATE them) lying, murdering thugs is felt every day, in thousands of ways, by millions of people, precisely because of the siphoning of resources away from states, cities, health care, medical research, education…..the list is endless.
Jesus wept.
rwcole @ 159
We’ll be there with floodlights
Lew Koch @ 166
You work for the Paper?
Lew, I agree with you that the purpose of this trial is that the gubnent is eager to show a victory in the war on terror. But do you think there is also an intimidation factor happening here too? In other words, do you think there is a message that “we don’t give a damn. Don’t even let us think you might be a bad guy. Or else, you’re next.”
Not just one on this occassion, but many too large trucks over the years.
Hi everyone. So sorry about the tragedy in Minnesota.
TexB and I had a great meal and are pretty tuckered out after flying with little sleep. We’re attending an FDL caucus tomorrow afternoon at 4:30 CT. Haven’t found the morning spot yet for the FDL/Marcy panel, but we will be there, and we will be loveblogging for everyone. ccmask, are you here? Teddy?
OT: White House claims Executive Privilege on Rove testifying.
things come undone at 170
No, never worked for the paper but I think I know how editors think and this has the makings of a good long story with lots and lots and lots of people to finger, lots of graft to be uncovered, and as oddmommy says, time perhaps for people to start looking at where their billions have wound in — in the hands of Cheney’s buddies. I sense it might be “pile on” time.
Gunga Djinn @ 175
who’d have thunk it
Lew Koch @ 161
You mean this coming Friday, not last Friday? I have to hold my breath for two more days? I’ve been wondering this ever since Padilla was arrested, and every subsequent “plot” that’s been uncovered makes them seem more ridiculous. You’d think they’d find a terrorist just by chance.
Hi everyone, and to all in Chicago, {{{pups}}}. Lew, let me congratulate you for producing what is, in my opinion, the definitive coverage of the event. Scholars studying this case in the future will be reading your work.
White House claims Executive Privilege on everything its has ever done or will do. Anything else they can’t recall or is classified.
oops, my bad. For those who have been following my comments, 3rd Ave bridge is just upstream of Interstate 35W, and Hennepin Ave. Bridge just past that. Immediately downstream is 10th Ave. Bridge. (blushes. i shoulda known that, i DO know that, but i just drive over the darn things without reciting their names. My ex used to say, “you farmers, driving by landmarks! what’s the street name!” blushes some more.)
HT to my roommate who drove over the 10th Ave bridge (ndfg asks, what bridge is that? hears reply, hits forehead, D’OH!) shortly before 35W went, avoided it because traffic was too heavy.
eCAHNomics@173 A few commenters said the governor of Minnesota wouldn’t raise taxes for transportation spending.
I bet that includes manning weigh stations for trucks. How often are the weigh stations manned? I bet the local truckers all knew what days and times it was safe to go across state with a heavy load!
BigMitch at 172
yes. Intimidation. See what happened to Padilla, chum? You’re next. But slowly, more and more people aren’t buying into the FUD, they’re not buying Bush’s brand of bullshit. And sooner or later, maybe we’ll have to wait for the next election to put some stiffness into Democratic legislators, but maybe a serous victory will give them courage to do what they should have done all along…say no.
rwcole @ 141
In his crisp new blue shirt, sleeves rolled up and buttons misaligned.
duffass
punaise @ 57
The Tacoma Narrows bridge has a nearly exact twin – the Deer Isle bridge, about 3 miles from here. They keep studying it and reinforcing this or that (or putting plates on to deflect the wind), but it’s still there.
Late Nite is Served …
Gunga Djinn @ 175
White House also claims Rove impervious to X-rays, sodium pentothal so don’t even think about it, and even gravity.
That he deigns to remain grounded rather than float above us just shows he’s one of the guys!
re: bridge collapse
Not resonance/oscillation. That has been known about since before the Tacoma Narrows collapse. In fact, thats why the film exists…they knew it would happen & when conditions would be right (wind). All bridges since then have been designed to prevent such response.
Look at fatique, corrosion, erosion or a combination of these factors.
Overloading not likely, but not impossible. (design loads & safety factor, rather than the idea of redundancy that someone mentioned above)
Or you might say “overloaded” after reduced capacity due to fatigue, corrosion and/or erosion.
Petrocelli @ 186
It went *poof* … like that … and disappeared …
Uh… crash on the new thread? Testing, testing, 1 2 3…
looks that way wdd
Petrocelli @ 186
not quite?
fdl breakfast friday morning 7-9 mark yr calendars
the hyatt mccormack next to the convention center.
wangdangdoodle @ 190
TRex is busy packing for Chicago … musta thrown da thread into his Backpack … *g*
ecahn at 173 says-”Not just one on this occassion, but many too large trucks over the years.”
according to my old neighbor, for over-weights, need a special permit, not passed out handily……..need special permits for all kinds of things…….around here, they were raising hogs for aortas, special permit to truck those, too……..those were under government ‘research’ permits………pretty serious about truck weights, has to do with money…….so, i doubt it, but good thought just the same………
All I said was ‘lucky sevens’. Din’t mean to jinx.
re: Rove
OK, OK, I get it. We knew it was coming, but now it’s official.
:D
Bary Bonds comes to the plate in the top of the fourth. Loud boos in L.A.
yellowdog jim @ 192
it got…….404′d.
The horror. The horror.
0 for 2
I give Bonds an ASSterisk.
yellowdog jim @ 192
It was there … then it wasn’t … very puzzling and also enlightening … *g*
The fixed link for Late Nite
Suzanne @ 203
or not.
Hooray Suzanne!!
The gold-plated question is… if the jury has the audacity (or is it lese majeste?) to acquit Padilla (aka evil-child-eating-heathen-monster-who-hides-under-your-infant-daughter’s-bed), then will shrub redesignate him an enemy combatant and send him back to his hole, just to protect the concept of executive supremacy?
Lew Kock @ 161
Our breath is baited,
our teeth, gnashing, wait
anticipating the Friday date:
When, precisely, please
will you put our minds at ease?
BigMitch @ 204
another 404!! What IS this, a “Hostel” movie??
oddmommy @ 208
Hiya Oddmommy … we’ll make it if we stick together …
error error error 3x….
TRex changed his late nite post to one about the bridge collapse. Here is the link for it
oddmommy @ 198
it’s still in the oven.
not as good if it’s half-baked.
The $3500 for zuccini sounds ominous, except that Padilla might be referring to some other currency than US money, perhaps Egyptian or other ME money unit and referring to it as dollars. I had Lebanese and Arabic Nigerian friends who did this all the time. This was in the late 70’s.
… oh, and if they do acquit him, should we expect shrubco to say that they did so only because there exists super duper secret spy-ring evidence that they couldn’t show the jury, because it would jeopardize “national security”?
Padilla was arrested in the first place because of a confession they tortured out of Abu Zubaydah after Bush — against the advice of the CIA — insisted on torturing him.
Bush refuses to believe that what they tortured out of Abu Zubaydah might not be true. So his subordinates can’t consider the possibility either.
My question is why translate everything except “Allah”. Makes you think they are worshiping something other than “GOD”. Replace the word God for Allah …sounds like any very religious ordinary American. That slight of hand pisses me off.
A trillion dollars almighty for a senseless, ego-driven war and occupation; zilch for infrastructure, schools or health care. Blown steam line in New York, bridge down in Minn/St Paul. What next? Republicans are scumbags.
Speaking of fava beans, Hannibal Lecter’s enunciation of F…B…I… in Silence of the Lambs mimics the utter contempt I have for our (in)justice system. These people would shoot your mother for a wink from Abu Gonzales.
To steal a line from Good Morning, Vietnam, these people are in more dire need of a blow job than anyone else on earth.
No justice, no peace.
LS @ 54
Lew, Nothing I’ve read about Padilla even indicates he might have had a fantasy. Deborah Sontags article for the New York Times really gives me a different impression of Padilla from what you describe. I believe he was an accessory to murder at 14. Sontag writes Padilla read the bible in jail. After his release, he was introduced Islam by his boss. In fact, it was Padilla’s girlfriend at work who expressed interest first. IMHO Padilla’s conversion was ye old “born again”. To say that “born again” Muslim includes j*had, well strikes me as somewhat discriminatory.
they destroyed these men and their lives for what reason?
oh, that’s right, to “send a message” that Americans (er, at least the intolerant neocon Repigs) hate Muslims, Mexicans, and any other brown-skinned lower-life form different from the proud Aryan race of the great white american
Lea-no uh @ 25
Are just waking up to this now? They — our government — has had this poor bastard in prison for over 5 years. A US citizen, picked up on the street, not charged but held, probably tortured, certaintly driven mad by the conditions of his confinement. This is the kind of thing that happened to people who lived in the Soviet Union at the height of the cold war. This is the kind of thing that the Stasi did to East German citizens. It makes me weep. Yet I am not brave enough to do more than write about this in a comment box, and applaud Lew for reporting on it. I read the LA Times and even if they mention this case, it’s somewhere on page 20 of the first section.
There was an article in the NY Times Magazine a few years ago, quoting a German couple about why no one did anything when the Nazis were coming to power. First we didn’t know, they said, they we didn’t believe, then we were too afraid. They would have lost everything and in the end, they did lose everything.
Ian @ 220
Of course we applaud Lew.He’s done a good job at showing what a Graham Greenesque farce this trial is. With the mysterious, incognito “witnesses” and self-proclaimed experts from places like Indonesia billing the government g* knows how much per hour. Hours of taped drivel about the most mundane things in life presented as “evidence”. It might even be funny, if it wasn’t for real, and ChimpCo wasn’t out to destroy the lives of these men as means to an end. As is, it is shocking, appalling and as the Chinese would say, “between laughing and crying.”
LS @ 133
Where is their National Guard? I haven’t heard any mention of the NG helping with the rescue.
darclay @ 216
What strikes me about the conversation is how obsessed they are, at least in casual conversation, with referring to Alla. It’s “Praise Alla”, “Alla be praised”, “May Alla keep you” and the like over and over and over.
How could people like that ever get beyond the 16th century or run a terrorist organization?
Anyway, if they can convict Padilla of this, then we’re all goners. I’ve said much worse in telephone calls and e-mails and I don’t even like zucchini.
What if they tortured/interrogated Zubaydah and made it clear they wanted him to indicate Bush or Cheney or some fictional person was responsible for a terrorist act? Do ya think he’d cooperate?
It’s not the voters, but the vote counters and it’s not the suspect, but the torturers who decide the outcome.
Torturer (to torturee): Good news and bad news. Bad news is you’re next. Good news is there’s no waiting in line.
Lew Koch @ 22
He can probably make whatever points he needs to in closing argument.
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