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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/31/the-week-in-review-propaganda-edition/#comment-862740</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-861182&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Loo Hoo. @ 171&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-861135&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;looseheadprop @ 127&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I don’t think Pelosi is working behind the scenes to build an impeachment case. I truly believe that her commnets are an honest reflection of her thoughts on the matter. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the dems ran on domestic agenda issues. We elected them to send them a message that we wanted change an oversight.&lt;br /&gt;
…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not saying the agenda sucks or anything like that.&lt;br /&gt;
…
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This was the message:&lt;br /&gt;
1.  Honest leadership and open government&lt;br /&gt;
2.  Real Security&lt;br /&gt;
3.  Energy independence&lt;br /&gt;
4.  Economic prosperity and educational excellence&lt;br /&gt;
5.  Healthcare that works for everyone&lt;br /&gt;
6.  Retirement security&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kinda makes you want to take a nap.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not me. I think it is pretty good. Can you name some other things which are more important?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW, your spelling is bad or you are drunk.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-861182"><em>Loo Hoo. @ 171</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-861135"><em>looseheadprop @ 127</em></a></p>
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<p>I don’t think Pelosi is working behind the scenes to build an impeachment case. I truly believe that her commnets are an honest reflection of her thoughts on the matter. </p>
<p>…</p>
<p>Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the dems ran on domestic agenda issues. We elected them to send them a message that we wanted change an oversight.<br />
…</p>
<p>I’m not saying the agenda sucks or anything like that.<br />
…
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<p>This was the message:<br />
1.  Honest leadership and open government<br />
2.  Real Security<br />
3.  Energy independence<br />
4.  Economic prosperity and educational excellence<br />
5.  Healthcare that works for everyone<br />
6.  Retirement security</p>
<p>Kinda makes you want to take a nap.</p>
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<p>Not me. I think it is pretty good. Can you name some other things which are more important?</p>
<p>BTW, your spelling is bad or you are drunk.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/31/the-week-in-review-propaganda-edition/#comment-862714</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-861136&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LS @ 128&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What’s going to be in the Specter “administration clarification” letter?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m thinking Bush will say he “directed” Gonzales to say what he said, in order to protect national security, and that the matter cannot be discussed for that very reason.  Then he’ll say that Gonzo is preemptively pardoned and cannot be impeached.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is that a possibility?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He might pardon Gonzales and that’s fine. But, it doesn’t stop Congress from impeaching him and tossing his pardoned butt out on the street.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d like to see Gonzales kicked out and then we move on to either Rove or Cheney. Bush ought to be made to feel permanent pressure while opponents rip his administration to shreds. If he won’t see reason, then a little force might ‘persuade’ him it’s time to leave Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If he doesn’t see ‘reason’, then his own impeachment ought to begin early next year, regardless of what Nancy said. We simply cannot let Congressional Bush Republicans get away with supporting this traitorous anti-Constitutional behavior from the Executive.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-861136"><em>LS @ 128</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>What’s going to be in the Specter “administration clarification” letter?</p>
<p>I’m thinking Bush will say he “directed” Gonzales to say what he said, in order to protect national security, and that the matter cannot be discussed for that very reason.  Then he’ll say that Gonzo is preemptively pardoned and cannot be impeached.</p>
<p>Is that a possibility?</p>
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<p>He might pardon Gonzales and that’s fine. But, it doesn’t stop Congress from impeaching him and tossing his pardoned butt out on the street.</p>
<p>I’d like to see Gonzales kicked out and then we move on to either Rove or Cheney. Bush ought to be made to feel permanent pressure while opponents rip his administration to shreds. If he won’t see reason, then a little force might ‘persuade’ him it’s time to leave Iraq.</p>
<p>If he doesn’t see ‘reason’, then his own impeachment ought to begin early next year, regardless of what Nancy said. We simply cannot let Congressional Bush Republicans get away with supporting this traitorous anti-Constitutional behavior from the Executive.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/31/the-week-in-review-propaganda-edition/#comment-862690</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-861119&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dakine01 @ 111&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-861113&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;nonplussed @ 105&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I simply must share this response I just received from my “Senator”. She is replying to a scathing letter I wrote to her after she defended W’s commutation of Scooter’s Prison sentence. How is this for a nonresponsive response?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After this gem of a response, I remain, nonplussed…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I got that as well.  Most have been the standard response to all the folks saying WTF.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You just have to write back and ask her how PRECISELY she has defended the Constitution when President Bush lied us into war in Iraq, spied on American citizens without FISA approval, illegally detained US citizens, denied them their Constitutional habeas corpus rights and tortured them for years before releasing them?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-861119"><em>dakine01 @ 111</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-861113"><em>nonplussed @ 105</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I simply must share this response I just received from my “Senator”. She is replying to a scathing letter I wrote to her after she defended W’s commutation of Scooter’s Prison sentence. How is this for a nonresponsive response?</p>
<p>After this gem of a response, I remain, nonplussed…</p>
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<p>I got that as well.  Most have been the standard response to all the folks saying WTF.</p>
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<p>You just have to write back and ask her how PRECISELY she has defended the Constitution when President Bush lied us into war in Iraq, spied on American citizens without FISA approval, illegally detained US citizens, denied them their Constitutional habeas corpus rights and tortured them for years before releasing them?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/31/the-week-in-review-propaganda-edition/#comment-862653</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-861059&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;David W. Bartoo @ 53&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Please can we try to be fair?&lt;br /&gt;
     Pelosi just needs some time.&lt;br /&gt;
     The applecart needs polishing.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Everybody knows you don’t bring out a new applecart in July!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-861059"><em>David W. Bartoo @ 53</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Please can we try to be fair?<br />
     Pelosi just needs some time.<br />
     The applecart needs polishing.</p>
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<p>Everybody knows you don’t bring out a new applecart in July!</p>
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		<title>By: Tanbark</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/31/the-week-in-review-propaganda-edition/#comment-861914</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Excellent thread, Christy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The “long memory” thing is something at which we badly need to be good.   And persistent.  And vocal.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We can’t afford to let the warpimps run their bullshit about:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Gosharootie!  WhereEVER did this clusterfuck come from?  It must all be Chelsea’s fault.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent thread, Christy.</p>
<p>The “long memory” thing is something at which we badly need to be good.   And persistent.  And vocal.   </p>
<p>We can’t afford to let the warpimps run their bullshit about:</p>
<p>“Gosharootie!  WhereEVER did this clusterfuck come from?  It must all be Chelsea’s fault.”</p>
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		<title>By: Heitzso</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/31/the-week-in-review-propaganda-edition/#comment-861479</link>
		<dc:creator>Heitzso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m reiterating one of my themes … that the next Pres will likely be a Dem and some Dems don’t really want to dismantle the monarchy.  Just shake the boat enough to win the election, then get their hands on that big bright steering wheel of power.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Once you impeach Gonzo you crack open the stonewall and the backed up sewer pipe garbage that spews forth will take down a god awful lot before it, likely including some powerful Dems.  Others have commented that there may be some blackmail hanging over some key Dem heads that keeps them in check.  I don’t know.  But I wouldn’t be surprised.  There’s something awful backed up behind that stonewall and when it busts loose the sh*t that flows out will be color blind and as likely to dirty someone in blue as in red.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My take? God we need that impeachment. Time to flush the pipes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m reiterating one of my themes … that the next Pres will likely be a Dem and some Dems don’t really want to dismantle the monarchy.  Just shake the boat enough to win the election, then get their hands on that big bright steering wheel of power.</p>
<p>Once you impeach Gonzo you crack open the stonewall and the backed up sewer pipe garbage that spews forth will take down a god awful lot before it, likely including some powerful Dems.  Others have commented that there may be some blackmail hanging over some key Dem heads that keeps them in check.  I don’t know.  But I wouldn’t be surprised.  There’s something awful backed up behind that stonewall and when it busts loose the sh*t that flows out will be color blind and as likely to dirty someone in blue as in red.</p>
<p>My take? God we need that impeachment. Time to flush the pipes.</p>
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		<title>By: Heitzso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heitzso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-860986&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 4&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;We find this a bit odd.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;July 31 (Bloomberg) — Lawyers at Kirkland &amp; Ellis, the law firm that’s home to Kenneth Starr and Bush administration official Jay Lefkowitz, have given more to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign than to all of the top Republican candidates combined.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I were a Republican wanting the Dems to lose the next Pres election I’d get Hillary in as the Dem nominee.  I’m a rabid liberal, but have rabid Repub friends who froth at the mouth at the idea of Hillary.  If you want to drag out every single Repub vote run Hillary for Pres. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And in my rabid liberal mind Hillary was either dupped or politicized into the Iraq vote and we CAN NOT have as pres of the US someone who can be that easily dupped or politicized.  I don’t care how smooth and powerful and a woman she is.  She voted for our country to go kill people in a war.  Lots of black women like Rice because she’s a black woman.  Lots of hispanics are proud of Gonzo because he’s hispanic.  Let’s not push Hillary just because she’s a powerful woman and, gosh, darn, how neato wonderful it will be to have a woman pres.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The dem contender who would thrive best in the monarchy Bush created, and would resist tearing it down, is Hillary.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, if you want to max out the Repub vote and minimize the Dem vote run Hillary.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-860986"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 4</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>We find this a bit odd.</p>
<p>July 31 (Bloomberg) — Lawyers at Kirkland &amp; Ellis, the law firm that’s home to Kenneth Starr and Bush administration official Jay Lefkowitz, have given more to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign than to all of the top Republican candidates combined.</p>
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<p>If I were a Republican wanting the Dems to lose the next Pres election I’d get Hillary in as the Dem nominee.  I’m a rabid liberal, but have rabid Repub friends who froth at the mouth at the idea of Hillary.  If you want to drag out every single Repub vote run Hillary for Pres. </p>
<p>And in my rabid liberal mind Hillary was either dupped or politicized into the Iraq vote and we CAN NOT have as pres of the US someone who can be that easily dupped or politicized.  I don’t care how smooth and powerful and a woman she is.  She voted for our country to go kill people in a war.  Lots of black women like Rice because she’s a black woman.  Lots of hispanics are proud of Gonzo because he’s hispanic.  Let’s not push Hillary just because she’s a powerful woman and, gosh, darn, how neato wonderful it will be to have a woman pres.</p>
<p>The dem contender who would thrive best in the monarchy Bush created, and would resist tearing it down, is Hillary.</p>
<p>So, if you want to max out the Repub vote and minimize the Dem vote run Hillary.</p>
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		<title>By: TexB</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/31/the-week-in-review-propaganda-edition/#comment-861204</link>
		<dc:creator>TexB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Happy Birthday Urban Pirate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Birthday Urban Pirate.</p>
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		<title>By: urban pirate</title>
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		<dc:creator>urban pirate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-861164&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;looseheadprop @ 155&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Oh, I almost forgot&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Felicitations and salutations to both Eg and Scarecrow on the anniversary of the wonderful day(s) of their births.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Eat extra cake for me.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Happy Birthday to you both.  :)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I cant even think about cake. Its been a busy week here, with my wife, brother, sister, and me all celebrating our birthdays.  I’m all caked out.  :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-861164"><em>looseheadprop @ 155</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Oh, I almost forgot</p>
<p>Felicitations and salutations to both Eg and Scarecrow on the anniversary of the wonderful day(s) of their births.</p>
<p>Eat extra cake for me.</p>
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<p>Happy Birthday to you both.  :)</p>
<p>I cant even think about cake. Its been a busy week here, with my wife, brother, sister, and me all celebrating our birthdays.  I’m all caked out.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: rwcole</title>
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		<dc:creator>rwcole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Impeachment?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let’s think about this-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Congress (and Clusterfuck) are about ta take their August vacations. They’ll be back in September at which time the Iraq debate will start in earnest- by the time that’s all over- it will be time for the holiday break- after the holiday break, if dems start impeachment proceedings, americans are gonna say “Hey we’re gettin rid of his sorry ass anyway at the end of the year- why in the hell would you waste your time in an attempt to kick him out that you know damned well doesn’t have a chance in hell of succeeding- what are ya STOOPID!”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I put the odds of impeachment for Clusterfuck about the  same as the odds for the sun not rising tomorrow.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gonzo’s a different matter- get HIS sorry ass!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Impeachment?</p>
<p>Let’s think about this-</p>
<p>Congress (and Clusterfuck) are about ta take their August vacations. They’ll be back in September at which time the Iraq debate will start in earnest- by the time that’s all over- it will be time for the holiday break- after the holiday break, if dems start impeachment proceedings, americans are gonna say “Hey we’re gettin rid of his sorry ass anyway at the end of the year- why in the hell would you waste your time in an attempt to kick him out that you know damned well doesn’t have a chance in hell of succeeding- what are ya STOOPID!”</p>
<p>I put the odds of impeachment for Clusterfuck about the  same as the odds for the sun not rising tomorrow.</p>
<p>Gonzo’s a different matter- get HIS sorry ass!!</p>
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