Zed!?!

dos…

‘morning, Redd – you packed yet?

I’ve got coffee.

We find this a bit odd.

July 31 (Bloomberg) — Lawyers at Kirkland & Ellis, the law firm that’s home to Kenneth Starr and Bush administration official Jay Lefkowitz, have given more to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign than to all of the top Republican candidates combined.

Kos people flying Northwest: check your flights, they are cancelling hundreds of them.

Oh, yeah?

Michael E. O’Hanlon is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, specializing in defense and foreign policy issues who began his career as a budget analyst in the defense field. He is regarded as one of the most militaristic major national security experts in the United States Democratic Party. O’Hanlon’s areas of expertise are Arms treaties; Asian security issues; Homeland security; Iraq policy; Military technology; Missile defense; North Korea policy; Peacekeeping operations; Taiwan policy, military analysis; U.S. defense strategy and budget.[1]

My bold. Who anointed him?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Egy!

Lots of love and good times!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Scarecrow!

Same deal as Egy :)

Hey Marcy, Scarecrow!

Happy Birthday!

My present to you both, good wishes and a gut feeling about impeachment proceedings soon come.

Irie

I meant: Who anointed him?

Adie @ 9

Hey egregious!, Scarecrow!

Happy Birthday!

My present to you both, good wishes and a gut feeling about impeachment proceedings soon come.

Irie

Adie @ 11

Adie @ 9

Hey egregious!, Scarecrow!

Happy Birthday!

My present to you both, good wishes and a gut feeling about impeachment proceedings soon come.

Irie

ohmygawd. can you tell i haven’t had me coffee yet?!

From the previous thread for Solai (and anyone else interested):

–previous thread cut and paste—
Solai @ 142

Praedor Atrebates @ 128

Just do it. I signed up for YKos via SecondLife last week myself…finally a useful aspect to that silly (poorly rendered) graphical chat room.

I might be interested in this. Link?

Here you go: http://www.yearlykosconvention.org/yksl

They will be streaming some video and there is an ‘amphitheater’ setup for attending and listening/watching. I asked about the Prez candidates and the operators of YKos in SL indicated that they can probably only handle the top 3 (bandwidth issues) but…I am hoping to get a few questions directed to ALL of them via SL if my YKos questions aren’t selected from the YKos website.

Patreaus on GMA declaring himself a “realist”….

ooo-boy, we are in trouble!

Happy birthday to egregious and scarecrow.

July is turning out many FDLer birthdays…

I didn’t know it was scarecrow’s birthday too!

have a good one scarecrow

Diane Rehm show focused on Middle East Policy and Arm Sales

http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/

questions emails 1800-433-8850
drshow@wamu.org

Funny how the neo-cons, theo-cons and oil-cons stir it up in the middle east and then sale arms to all sides. Greedlock

o/t, sorry, but maybe not, is propaganda…….but i want to know if anyone’s heard anything about this-

heard early this morning, on npr, that a republican in california wants to introduce legislation that electoral votes be counted by district—-this would ensure 22 votes for republicans in california, instead of all 55? going to dems…….which means they would take enough electorals to take presidency………we would lose california…….

last stage of the permanent republican state.

i am shocked i can’t find anything about it anywhere……… thanks.

happy birthday egregious!

ThinkProgress: Cheney Says He Is A ‘Unique Creature’

It’s no secret how the Repugs control the media.

1. They saturate it with think tankers, so that every outlet has a speaker to fill it.

2. They unite around a single talking point, so that each of the speakers not only delivers the same message, but delivers it with the same condescending tone that says, if you don’t get it, you’re a moron.

3. Any criticism of Repug behavior/policy is met with irate phone calls to editors that scream about unfairness and wrongness, that there are two sides to the story. This puts out fires before they get started and is surprisingly effective.

4. (and this is tied to 3.) They use their conservative base to censor messages that they don’t like. They won’t show Iraqis murdered on TV because it is “not safe for the kids”. They won’t allow criticism of Bush, because it is “unpatriotic”.

This is what they do. WHY CAN’T WE?

The big conspiracy of liberal bloggers to control the universe? Bill Scher blows it wide open…

Christy, thanks for pointing to Scher’s piece. One of the best-ever descriptions of what the netroots is and why it matters. Definitely worth the read, and we should figure out how to get Broder & Joe Klein to pay attention.

GeorgeSimian @ 20

It’s no secret how the Repugs control the media.

1. They saturate it with think tankers, so that every outlet has a speaker to fill it.

2. They unite around a single talking point, so that each of the speakers not only delivers the same message, but delivers it with the same condescending tone that says, if you don’t get it, you’re a moron.

3. Any criticism of Repug behavior/policy is met with irate phone calls to editors that scream about unfairness and wrongness, that there are two sides to the story. This puts out fires before they get started and is surprisingly effective.

4. (and this is tied to 3.) They use their conservative base to censor messages that they don’t like. They won’t show Iraqis murdered on TV because it is “not safe for the kids”. They won’t allow criticism of Bush, because it is “unpatriotic”.

This is what they do. WHY CAN’T WE?

Spot on.

dmac @ 18

o/t, sorry, but maybe not, is propaganda…….but i want to know if anyone’s heard anything about this-

heard early this morning, on npr, that a republican in california wants to introduce legislation that electoral votes be counted by district—-this would ensure 22 votes for republicans in california, instead of all 55? going to dems…….which means they would take enough electorals to take presidency………we would lose california…….

last stage of the permanent republican state.

i am shocked i can’t find anything about it anywhere……… thanks.

happy birthday egregious!

Here:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap…..-Votes.php

Christy don’t get me wrong. I appreciate what they do and I am glad that they covered Yearly Kos last year. They did not cover the anti-invasion marches very well. I was at those marches and was watching the coverage closely, C-span, NPR and the rest of the MSM

Happily, CNN has been hitting the steven’s scan-doll pretty heavily this morning.

As you would expect, there’s NO mention that almost all of them (except Jefferson, Jefferson, Jefferson did did did it too) are republics!

From Gary Kamiya in Salon today:

It is now widely accepted that the Iraq war is destined to go down in history as one of America’s greatest foreign-policy debacles. But I think it will come to be seen as something much stranger: as an almost incomprehensibly frivolous act of hubris, a bizarre tempting of fate. When all the political arguments and partisan rancor have been long forgotten, people will remember this war’s utter weightlessness, using that word in the sense that Milan Kundera does in “The Unbearable Lightness of Being,” to denote a kind of enigmatic half-reality. Mark Danner astutely called it “the war of the imagination” — a Perfect War, like a Platonic Idea, that existed only in a timeless realm. The gap between the airy vacuity of the arguments for the war and the hideous war that then appeared, literally out of nowhere, is confounding. To this day, there is something creepily magical about it, as if a troupe of two-bit magicians had brought their pathetic act to a provincial town, waved their handkerchiefs in the air, and pulled out of their hats a … real, live, 50-foot-tall demon, which proceeded to rush out into the street and begin knocking down real buildings and devouring real people.

dmac @ 18

o/t, sorry, but maybe not, is propaganda…….but i want to know if anyone’s heard anything about this-

heard early this morning, on npr, that a republican in california wants to introduce legislation that electoral votes be counted by district—-this would ensure 22 votes for republicans in california, instead of all 55? going to dems…….which means they would take enough electorals to take presidency………we would lose california…….

last stage of the permanent republican state.

i am shocked i can’t find anything about it anywhere……… thanks.

happy birthday egregious!

How would electoral votes have been apportioned in 2000 and in 2004 had each candidate received one electoral vote for each congressional district carried and two electoral votes for each state carried?

Joint Chief of Staff nominees
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs…..p;Code=CS3

dmac – I think the CA apportioned electoral votes has been an idea that’s been floated around for years….

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 19

ThinkProgress: Cheney Says He Is A ‘Unique Creature’

Emphasizing the creature aspect.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 4

We find this a bit odd.

July 31 (Bloomberg) — Lawyers at Kirkland & Ellis, the law firm that’s home to Kenneth Starr and Bush administration official Jay Lefkowitz, have given more to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign than to all of the top Republican candidates combined.

Morning OKK.

I notice on tv the “rightiepundits”, as often as not, start getting the sillygiggles and saying nice things about Hill, as if some inside-the-beltway middleschool joke were at play. If she wins the nomination, I’d vote for her, but I don’t share their humor. In fact, I’d look fwd to her wiping those silly grins off’n their bratty little faces. Maybe they’ll surprise me (not much) and actually prove to be laughing outta nervousness; surely so, eventually, heh…

Good morning firepups.

Happy birthday to egregious and scarecrow.

I’ve got one to add:
A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION

It is time to think about the “unthinkable.” The Bush Administration has both the inclination and the power to cancel the 2008 election. The GOP strategy for another electoral theft in 2008 has taken clear shape, though we must assume there is much more we don’t know.

But we must also assume that if it appears to Team Bush/Cheney/Rove that the GOP will lose the 2008 election anyway (as it lost in Ohio 2006), we cannot ignore the possibility that they would simply cancel the election. Those who think this crew will quietly walk away from power are simply not paying attention. The real question is not how or when they might do it. It’s how, realistically, we can stop them.-More

i’d like to know what constitutes a ’senior fellow’ at whatever bs think tank foundation that comes to mind.

From Sher’s piece:

Because Democrats need their messages to reach voters. And liberal bloggers have shown they can help by countering misinformation, spotlighting underreported news, and pushing parameters of national debate narrowed by pundits and political consultants.

DING!

Biodun @ 6

Oh, yeah?

Michael E. O’Hanlon is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, specializing in defense and foreign policy issues who began his career as a budget analyst in the defense field. He is regarded as one of the most militaristic major national security experts in the United States Democratic Party. O’Hanlon’s areas of expertise are Arms treaties; Asian security issues; Homeland security; Iraq policy; Military technology; Missile defense; North Korea policy; Peacekeeping operations; Taiwan policy, military analysis; U.S. defense strategy and budget.[1]

My bold. Who anointed him?

Once he signed up for this major and spent so much time working in this field, it became a cakewalk and anything else would be real work. So, O’Hanlon really can’t start again with something new like redirecting his efforts to poverty, fairness in wages, or anythig else. My goodness, this is his narrow career.

OldCoastie @ 14

Patreaus on GMA declaring himself a “realist”….

ooo-boy, we are in trouble!

I doubt his sincerity. If he were a realist b4 his top Generalship appointment, he never would have been hand selected by Bushco. IIRC, Bushco had difficulty finding a water carrier at such a late date.

If Petro has become a realist recently, then Bushco is in trouble.

Realist = Karl Rove soundbyte = a cheap rhetorical device.

OldCoastie @ 14

Patreaus on GMA declaring himself a “realist”….

ooo-boy, we are in trouble!

dakine01 @ 30

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 19

ThinkProgress: Cheney Says He Is A ‘Unique Creature’

Emphasizing the creature aspect.

time to duck and cover yet?

sorry. not in the mood.

!IMPEACH!

TexB @ 32

Good morning firepups.

Happy birthday to egregious and scarecrow.

I’ve got one to add:
A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION

It is time to think about the “unthinkable.” The Bush Administration has both the inclination and the power to cancel the 2008 election. The GOP strategy for another electoral theft in 2008 has taken clear shape, though we must assume there is much more we don’t know.

But we must also assume that if it appears to Team Bush/Cheney/Rove that the GOP will lose the 2008 election anyway (as it lost in Ohio 2006), we cannot ignore the possibility that they would simply cancel the election. Those who think this crew will quietly walk away from power are simply not paying attention. The real question is not how or when they might do it. It’s how, realistically, we can stop them.-More

When time permits, please look at Article I, Section 4 of the Constitution.

From Speaker Pelosi:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, asked at a breakfast this morning if she supports a move to impeach Attorney General Alberto Gonzales: “Well, I would like us to stay focused on our own agenda for this week.”

(snip)

Pelosi said that the House will “pass judgment on the conduct of this war” every week, and that she’ll press her case with the president in a meeting Tuesday night. The problem, she said, is the Senate, where too many members are intent on “making sure the president is not put on the spot.”

So what about impeaching George W. Bush? Pelosi said that any effort to do so would divide the country and that she isn’t sure what the odds of success would be. But she said that if she weren’t the speaker and weren’t in Congress, she’d “probably be advocating” Bush’s impeachment herself.

ls at 23

THANKS!!!!!!!!! yep, that’s it……..

Waccamaw @ 33

From Sher’s piece:

Because Democrats need their messages to reach voters. And liberal bloggers have shown they can help by countering misinformation, spotlighting underreported news, and pushing parameters of national debate narrowed by pundits and political consultants.

DING!

yeahhh! ;->

Maybe someone will put a frog in Karl Roves chair when he does not show.

Biodun @ 39

From Speaker Pelosi:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, asked at a breakfast this morning if she supports a move to impeach Attorney General Alberto Gonzales: “Well, I would like us to stay focused on our own agenda for this week.”

(snip)

Pelosi said that the House will “pass judgment on the conduct of this war” every week, and that she’ll press her case with the president in a meeting Tuesday night. The problem, she said, is the Senate, where too many members are intent on “making sure the president is not put on the spot.”

So what about impeaching George W. Bush? Pelosi said that any effort to do so would divide the country and that she isn’t sure what the odds of success would be. But she said that if she weren’t the speaker and weren’t in Congress, she’d “probably be advocating” Bush’s impeachment herself.

Divide? Divide?
Pelosi 2007

Biodun @ 39

From Speaker Pelosi:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, asked at a breakfast this morning if she supports a move to impeach Attorney General Alberto Gonzales: “Well, I would like us to stay focused on our own agenda for this week.”

(snip)

Pelosi said that the House will “pass judgment on the conduct of this war” every week, and that she’ll press her case with the president in a meeting Tuesday night. The problem, she said, is the Senate, where too many members are intent on “making sure the president is not put on the spot.”

So what about impeaching George W. Bush? Pelosi said that any effort to do so would divide the country and that she isn’t sure what the odds of success would be. But she said that if she weren’t the speaker and weren’t in Congress, she’d “probably be advocating” Bush’s impeachment herself.

Except that the country is not divided on this issue.

If you’ve not yet seen it, check out
‘Dangers of a Cornered George Bush’ by
Coleen Rowley on Huffington Post.

Birthdays?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3H5-s7MSUw

More USA Rovism – check this out, after you read it remember that as soon as Cherry gets to NASA, we have rumors of drunk astronauts:

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/7/31/8364/55557

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, asked at a breakfast this morning if she supports a move to impeach Attorney General Alberto Gonzales: “Well, I would like us to stay focused on our own agenda for this week.”

-I see.

So the Democratic agenda doesn’t include oversight.

Nice of Pelosi to let us know.

stephen parrish at 27 says-”How would electoral votes have been apportioned in 2000 and in 2004 had each candidate received one electoral vote for each congressional district carried and two electoral votes for each state carried?”

see ls’s link at 23……..

Biodun @ 39

From Speaker Pelosi:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, asked at a breakfast this morning if she supports a move to impeach Attorney General Alberto Gonzales: “Well, I would like us to stay focused on our own agenda for this week.”

(snip)

Pelosi said that the House will “pass judgment on the conduct of this war” every week, and that she’ll press her case with the president in a meeting Tuesday night. The problem, she said, is the Senate, where too many members are intent on “making sure the president is not put on the spot.”

So what about impeaching George W. Bush? Pelosi said that any effort to do so would divide the country and that she isn’t sure what the odds of success would be. But she said that if she weren’t the speaker and weren’t in Congress, she’d “probably be advocating” Bush’s impeachment herself.

That’s great, Nancy. Have fun getting nothing passed the Republican fillabusters and Presidential vetoes. Have fun being catagorized as a Do Nothing Congress. Impeach Gonzo.

Here is a link to am AP article about that.
Link

dmac @ 18

o/t, sorry, but maybe not, is propaganda…….but i want to know if anyone’s heard anything about this-

heard early this morning, on npr, that a republican in california wants to introduce legislation that electoral votes be counted by district—-this would ensure 22 votes for republicans in california, instead of all 55? going to dems…….which means they would take enough electorals to take presidency………we would lose california…….

last stage of the permanent republican state.

i am shocked i can’t find anything about it anywhere……… thanks.

happy birthday egregious!

And from the “unique creature” (pace: Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 19):

“I’m a big fan of Al’s,” the vice president told CBS White House correspondent Mark Knoller Monday. Cheney said he thinks Gonzales should keep fighting to keep his job, but he said he wouldn’t “get into the specifics” of whether the attorney general needs to clarify his much-questioned congressional testimony. “I think Al has done a good job under difficult circumstances,” Cheney said. “The debate between he and the Senate is something they’re going to have to resolve. But I think he has testified truthfully.”

Asked about congressional critics on both sides of the aisle who say Gonzales’ credibility is gone, Cheney pointed to the ultimate — barring impeachment, at least — trump card: “The key,” he said, is whether Gonzales has “the confidence of the president, and he clearly does.”

Please can we try to be fair?
Pelosi just needs some time.
The applecart needs polishing.

old coastie at 29 says-”dmac – I think the CA apportioned electoral votes has been an idea that’s been floated around for years….”

didn’t know that, yeah, but now they’re DOING it………see ls’s link at 23…….

Oklahoma kiddo @ 4

We find this a bit odd.

July 31 (Bloomberg) — Lawyers at Kirkland & Ellis, the law firm that’s home to Kenneth Starr and Bush administration official Jay Lefkowitz, have given more to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign than to all of the top Republican candidates combined.

Then who would wonder why I say I won’t vote for Hillary under any circumstances! I’ve always felt that she’s been a front runner more because Repugs want her to be than that Dems do. I have yet to figure out how she can call herself a progressive as she betrays progressive tenets like freedom of expression by backing a bill to make flag burning illegal. She doing much better than I thought by really seeming to appear authentic, but alas, I think she’d ultimately sell out in a heartbeat for the promise of votes to give her power. And I still think Al Gore (who no longer needs any of this) is really “The One”!

Here’s one:

UT study lists 237 reasons to have sex
People say they do it for love, exercise and as a cure for headaches.

Biodun @ 52

And from the “unique creature” (pace: Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 19):

“I’m a big fan of Al’s,” the vice president told CBS White House correspondent Mark Knoller Monday. Cheney said he thinks Gonzales should keep fighting to keep his job, but he said he wouldn’t “get into the specifics” of whether the attorney general needs to clarify his much-questioned congressional testimony. “I think Al has done a good job under difficult circumstances,” Cheney said. “The debate between he and the Senate is something they’re going to have to resolve. But I think he has testified truthfully.”

Asked about congressional critics on both sides of the aisle who say Gonzales’ credibility is gone, Cheney pointed to the ultimate — barring impeachment, at least — trump card: “The key,” he said, is whether Gonzales has “the confidence of the president, and he clearly does.”

I read this. What a scumbag. Maybe he meant a different “Al”. Or maybe he’s “linguistically confused”.

Dear Speaker Pelosi:

Life happens while you’re making other plans.

(h/t John Lennon)

Happy Birthday to Egregious and Scarecrow!!

dmac @ 54

old coastie at 29 says-”dmac – I think the CA apportioned electoral votes has been an idea that’s been floated around for years….”

didn’t know that, yeah, but now they’re DOING it………see ls’s link at 23…….

How much time does he have to get it on the ballot? He’s still not qualified it yet…

Biodun @ 38

From Speaker Pelosi:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, asked at a breakfast this morning if she supports a move to impeach Attorney General Alberto Gonzales: “Well, I would like us to stay focused on our own agenda for this week.”

(snip)

Pelosi said that the House will “pass judgment on the conduct of this war” every week, and that she’ll press her case with the president in a meeting Tuesday night. The problem, she said, is the Senate, where too many members are intent on “making sure the president is not put on the spot.”

So what about impeaching George W. Bush? Pelosi said that any effort to do so would divide the country and that she isn’t sure what the odds of success would be. But she said that if she weren’t the speaker and weren’t in Congress, she’d “probably be advocating” Bush’s impeachment herself.

This Pelosi-speak sounds like Hillary-speak. Its a train wreck.

The division already exists – it won’t get any worse – and the division is heavily tilted in our favor. Bush/Cheney/Gonzo approval, War approval, scandal, economy all against the Republicans.

The way Pelosi says divide the country plays into the Republicans’ bullsh*t narrative. She might as well call for bipartisanship, a kinder gentler nation and a thousand points of light.

Biodun @ 26

From Gary Kamiya in Salon today:

It is now widely accepted that the Iraq war is destined to go down in history as one of America’s greatest foreign-policy debacles. But I think it will come to be seen as something much stranger: as an almost incomprehensibly frivolous act of hubris, a bizarre tempting of fate. [snip]

Still reading but thanks for a most excellent linky.

David W. Bartoo @ 53

Please can we try to be fair?
Pelosi just needs some time.
The applecart needs polishing.

I agree Pelosi is trying to play it straight up.

Although sure did not understand when she pulled the language out of legislation which would require the warmongers to come back to congress before they pre-emptively attack Iran.

Come on, folks, Nancy has George ‘right where she wants him.’ I think I remember seeing that somewhere just last week.

quick hit, quick question while waiting for the airport van.

Why does Marcy call Snarlin’ “Haggis?”

Oh and Happy B. Day to the mahvelous egregious and the straw stuffed shirt and pants.!

Waccamaw @ 62

Biodun @ 26

From Gary Kamiya in Salon today:

Still reading but thanks for a most excellent linky.

salon gets it wrong, this wasn’t “frivilous”, this was calculated and in the planning for a decade…it was designed specifically to steal the treasure of the middle east and our middle class

it was designed to create a generation of middle east unrest and war

frivilous doesn’t quite fit

Nice article by John Nichols (from the Bill Moyers show on impeachment) discussing Feingold’s censure resolutions, reminding ignorant gits like me that this is what the Senate can do while the House fumbles around on impeachment:
http://www.madison.com/tct/opi…..ols/203335

RevDeb @ 65

quick hit, quick question while waiting for the airport van.

Why does Marcy call Snarlin’ “Haggis?”

Oh and Happy B. Day to the mahvelous egregious and the straw stuffed shirt and pants.!

Scottish roots?

Finally, a little more Kamiya:

The neocons fell prey to the same delusion that has always hypnotized warmongers: They thought they could control war. But wars are like experiments with unknown, volatile substances: Their outcomes cannot be predicted. War means killing people on a mass scale. It is a human earthquake, a tidal wave, a forest fire, unleashing chthonic forces far too large for us to comprehend, let along control.

In Mark Twain’s “The Mysterious Stranger,” Twain describes how the most minute alterations in a person’s destiny — alterations made by a handsome young man who happens to be the devil — completely change the subsequent course of history. War is comparable to such a supernatural intervention. It is as close to being a rip in the fabric of space and time as you can get in the Newtonian universe. It puts too many variables in play, and we cannot control enough of them. And even those we do control end up creating new problems that may be worse than the original ones.

Sex offender wins terms challenge
The government has been acting unlawfully by keeping prisoners in jail longer than necessary, judges say.

The ruling came in a case brought by a sex offender who had been handed an indeterminate jail sentence.

Under the sentence offenders have a minimum tariff, but must prove they are no longer a danger before they can be released.

Last Updated: Tuesday, 31 July 2007, 14:37 GMT 15:37 UK
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Sex offender wins terms challenge
Prisoner
Some prisoners are staying in jail longer than necessary, judges ruled
The government has been acting unlawfully by keeping prisoners in jail longer than necessary, judges say.

The ruling came in a case brought by a sex offender who had been handed an indeterminate jail sentence.

Under the sentence offenders have a minimum tariff, but must prove they are no longer a danger before they can be released.

David Walker argued he cannot be considered for release because his jail does not offer a parole course.

The Court of Appeal ruled there “was a general and systemic legal failure”.

The government was granted a stay on the ruling, pending an application for permission to make an appeal.

I have not received a response from our TX Sen Hutchison who assures me that she is keeping up with Iraq, but adds that “success” there is essential in our War on Terror. No, we do not know what success is, but looks like we will be staying the course. Since this is so hot off the press, I thought you would want to know.

Plus, for anyone who reads the Huff-po piece on the cornered Bush, it is clear that any sort of negiotiated, moderate approach is doomed. What a good article to explain what we have all been seeing.

RevDeb @ 64

quick hit, quick question while waiting for the airport van.

Why does Marcy call Snarlin’ “Haggis?”

Oh and Happy B. Day to the mahvelous egregious and the straw stuffed shirt and pants.!

During the Clinton impeachment, Snarlin’ Arlen invoked Scottish law and voted “not proven”, hence “Haggis” from Marcy.

Adie @ 68

RevDeb @ 65

quick hit, quick question while waiting for the airport van.

Why does Marcy call Snarlin’ “Haggis?”

Oh and Happy B. Day to the mahvelous egregious and the straw stuffed shirt and pants.!

Scottish roots? & full of #*&?

“I’m a big fan of Al’s,” the vice president told CBS White House correspondent Mark Knoller Monday.

He meant Al Capone.

It may be telling that Pelosi expressed her own opinion about advocating impeachment if she wasn’t in Congress.

Has she done this before? If she hasn’t, perhaps with the push she’s be getting she feels more confident about expressing this.

I’m just putting this out there for consideration. I still think she’s wrong for taking it off the table, I support impeachment.

Biodun @ 39

From Speaker Pelosi:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, asked at a breakfast this morning if she supports a move to impeach Attorney General Alberto Gonzales: “Well, I would like us to stay focused on our own agenda for this week.”

(snip)

Pelosi said that the House will “pass judgment on the conduct of this war” every week, and that she’ll press her case with the president in a meeting Tuesday night. The problem, she said, is the Senate, where too many members are intent on “making sure the president is not put on the spot.”

So what about impeaching George W. Bush? Pelosi said that any effort to do so would divide the country and that she isn’t sure what the odds of success would be. But she said that if she weren’t the speaker and weren’t in Congress, she’d “probably be advocating” Bush’s impeachment herself.

So, if she wasn’t the only person in the country with the power to do it, she would? Oy vey.

dakine01 @ 72

RevDeb @ 64

quick hit, quick question while waiting for the airport van.

Why does Marcy call Snarlin’ “Haggis?”

Oh and Happy B. Day to the mahvelous egregious and the straw stuffed shirt and pants.!

During the Clinton impeachment, Snarlin’ Arlen invoked Scottish law and voted “not proven”, hence “Haggis” from Marcy.

Ah, thanks.

I think I’ll stick to Janus. It seems to fit on so many levels.

One of these days David Petraeus will look more closely at the light at the end of the tunnel… and realize it’s an onrushing freight train surging up at him from behind (pictured). Hasn’t happened yet, but it’s only a matter of time. By the time the train runs over Petraeus, he will have served his purpose. Bush will have successfully passed on the forever war to a Democratic president. Unless. We. Stop. Him.

Ann in AZ…

We are for Gore in 2008! ;0)

“I still think Al Gore (who no longer needs any of this) is really “The One”!”

hackworth @ 61

Biodun @ 38

From Speaker Pelosi:

This Pelosi-speak sounds like Hillary-speak. Its a train wreck.

The division already exists – it won’t get any worse – and the division is heavily tilted in our favor. Bush/Cheney/Gonzo approval, War approval, scandal, economy all against the Republicans.

The way Pelosi says divide the country plays into the Republicans’ bullsh*t narrative. She might as well call for bipartisanship, a kinder gentler nation and a thousand points of light.

I agree.

If Pelosi doesn’t want to commit herself to impeaching Gonzales, there are ways to do it without parroting Bush’s talking points.

Pelosi is basically framing impeachment and oversight as divisive, partisan, activities that would interfere with the Democratic agenda.

Pelosi will have great difficulty jumping from that rhetorical starting point to any kind of oversight or impeachment.

Wouldn’t it be far better for Pelosi to say.

“There are grave concerns about Gonzales in connection with the politicized firings of US Attorneys general and wiretapping of American citizens. In the days ahead, Democrats will continue to investigate these possible crimes as part of their oversight responsibilities, while also continuing to pass responsible legislation. In our pursuit of the truth, no investigative tools will be taken off the table. Oversight and legislative action are each integral parts of the Democratic agenda and we take them both very seriously.”

How ’bout we turn Pelosi’s logic back on her:

She doesn’t want to pursue impeachment because it’ll just be blocked by Rs.

Well, isn’t that the case with her precious “agenda”? Everything the House has accomplished has been obstructed, just ‘cuz Senate Rs can.

So why bother with that, then? Just so she & House Dems can point to their “accomplishments”? Clearly, that’s working out great since so many are seeing this as a do-nothing Congress.

Pelosi: Just Do It!

RevDeb @ 65

quick hit, quick question while waiting for the airport van.

Why does Marcy call Snarlin’ “Haggis?”

Oh and Happy B. Day to the mahvelous egregious and the straw stuffed shirt and pants.!

has something to do with Scottish law. he likes to quote it as if it’s our law. I forget exactly what the issue is.

Sorry, at 71: Should have said “just” received, not “not” ….Or, maybe it’s all the same.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 79

Ann in AZ…

We are for Gore in 2008! ;0)

“I still think Al Gore (who no longer needs any of this) is really “The One”!”

AMEN!

Well, it’s Tuesday and the NYT editorial page has not backed off its flat assertion from Sunday that it was Cheney who sent Gonzales and Card to Ashcroft’s bedside.

The longer this goes without a correction, amplification, or retraction, the more I suspect that the editorialists must have something solid. But if they do, why isn’t it coming through the news pages?

Adie…

And an Oklahoma good mornin’ back to you! ;0)

More winning “the hearts and minds” of the Iraqi people. The Bush administrations and Americas War crimes..plain and simple!

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/…..=rss_world

8 million Iraqis. Give it ten years and most of the Iraqi people will have either been killed, injured or left the country. Securing the realm for neo-cons, theo-cons and oil-cons!

Oklahoma kiddo @ 4

We find this a bit odd.

July 31 (Bloomberg) — Lawyers at Kirkland & Ellis, the law firm that’s home to Kenneth Starr and Bush administration official Jay Lefkowitz, have given more to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign than to all of the top Republican candidates combined.

Lotsa law firms work both sides of the aisle

Helen @ 75

Is it possible that mere words fail us? Should we try MONEY?

from the young’uns:

5 years later, cameraman still held at Guantanamo

This is damn ridiculous. This man, only a camerman from al Jazeera, has been detained without charge at Gitmo for 5 years. There is absolutely no reason he should be there. Along with most of the people there. This article mentioned that Hajj has been interrogated about 130 times. Don’t you think that is MORE than enough to get information out of ANYONE

Family members describe him as a soft-spoken romantic who’d dreamed since boyhood of becoming a cameraman.

That’s the best part. FAMILY MEMBERS DESCRIBE HIM AS A SOFT-SPOKEN ROMANTIC. Yet, we have him in a detainee camp. HE’S ALWAYS DREAMED OF BECOMING A CAMERAMAN. Yet, we’re ruining his dreams by letting him have NO access to a camera or be able to record anything.

ralphbon at 84 — Sometimes, the editorial pages are used to push out information which they know from a source but can’t get a confirming source or someone on the record about — as a way to signal that it is known, and hope for a confirmation source to come forward once the word gets out. Could be that…or could be sloppy phrasing. We’ll see…

Adie @ 84

Oklahoma kiddo @ 79

Ann in AZ…

We are for Gore in 2008! ;0)

“I still think Al Gore (who no longer needs any of this) is really “The One”!”

AMEN!

Showing up in November.

xyz says:
Wouldn’t it be far better for Pelosi to say.

“There are grave concerns about Gonzales in connection with the politicized firings of US Attorneys general and wiretapping of American citizens. In the days ahead, Democrats will continue to investigate these possible crimes as part of their oversight responsibilities, while also continuing to pass responsible legislation. In our pursuit of the truth, no investigative tools will be taken off the table. Oversight and legislative action are each integral parts of the Democratic agenda and we take them both very seriously.”

Amen, brother. It would be bloody awesome if she had said that!

Kathleen @ 87

More winning “the hearts and minds” of the Iraqi people. The Bush administrations and Americas War crimes..plain and simple!

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/…..=rss_world

8 million Iraqis. Give it ten years and most of the Iraqi people will have either been killed, injured or left the country. Securing the realm for neo-cons, theo-cons and oil-cons!

Exactly. They’ll even have their own “palace” and the remaining Iraqis will work for the oil industry. Mission Accomplished.

The latest of Condi’s many junkets to the Middle East:

Filed at 10:26 a.m. ET

SHARM EL-SHEIK, Egypt (AP) — President Bush’s top national security aides said Tuesday their double-barreled show of diplomatic and military support for friendly Arab allies this week is not a shot across Iran’s bow.

”We are out here to talk about the long term,” Defense Secretary Robert Gates said, as he and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice began two days of meetings among Persian Gulf allies and Egypt. Gates noted that U.S. relationships in the Gulf and beyond predate the current unease over Iran’s ambitions and influence.

My bold. Gates may be a “long-term” planner. But Condi sure isn’t, by her own admission. She told an interviewer about ten days or so ago that she was was a “terrible long-term planner.” (From a link in one of Christy’s threads.)

Millineryman @ 75

It may be telling that Pelosi expressed her own opinion about advocating impeachment if she wasn’t in Congress.

Has she done this before? If she hasn’t, perhaps with the push she’s be getting she feels more confident about expressing this.

I’m just putting this out there for consideration. I still think she’s wrong for taking it off the table, I support impeachment.

I don’t believe she has truly taken it off the table – I think that if she felt the conditions were right, you’d see something happen.

irish jim at 51, thanks for the link!

old coastie at 60″How much time does he have to get it on the ballot? He’s still not qualified it yet…”
according the article, there’s time enough….doesn’t mean they’ve won yet, but will take money that could be spent elsewhere to fight it………see ls’s link at 23 and irish jim’s at 51……..

Fern @ 96

Millineryman @ 75

It may be telling that Pelosi expressed her own opinion about advocating impeachment if she wasn’t in Congress.

Has she done this before? If she hasn’t, perhaps with the push she’s be getting she feels more confident about expressing this.

I’m just putting this out there for consideration. I still think she’s wrong for taking it off the table, I support impeachment.

I don’t believe she has truly taken it off the table – I think that if she felt the conditions were right, you’d see something happen.

Fern – the problem is that Pelosi is creating an environment that is toxic to impeachment even if the “right circumstances” come along.

She could be noncommittal about impeachment without criticizing it as divisive and problematic. She doesn’t have to do the Republicans’ work for them… See my suggested language above.

looseheadprop @ 88

Oklahoma kiddo @ 4

We find this a bit odd.

July 31 (Bloomberg) — Lawyers at Kirkland & Ellis, the law firm that’s home to Kenneth Starr and Bush administration official Jay Lefkowitz, have given more to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign than to all of the top Republican candidates combined.

Lotsa law firms work both sides of the aisle

It was the irony we found so striking. ;0)

TexB @ 90

from the young’uns:

5 years later, cameraman still held at Guantanamo

This is damn ridiculous. This man, only a camerman from al Jazeera, has been detained without charge at Gitmo for 5 years. There is absolutely no reason he should be there. Along with most of the people there. This article mentioned that Hajj has been interrogated about 130 times. Don’t you think that is MORE than enough to get information out of ANYONE

Family members describe him as a soft-spoken romantic who’d dreamed since boyhood of becoming a cameraman.

That’s the best part. FAMILY MEMBERS DESCRIBE HIM AS A SOFT-SPOKEN ROMANTIC. Yet, we have him in a detainee camp. HE’S ALWAYS DREAMED OF BECOMING A CAMERAMAN. Yet, we’re ruining his dreams by letting him have NO access to a camera or be able to record anything.

Here’s the other thing that I don’t understand – just from a practical perspective – even if this man had at on point had some kind of useful information (doubtful in my view) that information is so out of date by this point as to be worse than useless. Yet they are still interrogating these people.

More on CA electoral change:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..93258/0306

*xyz @ 98

– the problem is that Pelosi is creating an environment that is toxic to impeachment even if the “right circumstances” come along.

She could be noncommittal about impeachment without criticizing it as divisive and problematic. She doesn’t have to do the Republicans’ work for them… See my suggested language above.

exactly. not good and not smart.

RevDeb @ 77

dakine01 @ 72

During the Clinton impeachment, Snarlin’ Arlen invoked Scottish law and voted “not proven”, hence “Haggis” from Marcy.

In Africa, Janus often references sorcery, i.e. working for the dark side in self interest ;-O

Ah, thanks.

I think I’ll stick to Janus. It seems to fit on so many levels.

Ann in AZ @ 55

Oklahoma kiddo @ 4

We find this a bit odd.

July 31 (Bloomberg) — Lawyers at Kirkland & Ellis, the law firm that’s home to Kenneth Starr and Bush administration official Jay Lefkowitz, have given more to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign than to all of the top Republican candidates combined.

Then who would wonder why I say I won’t vote for Hillary under any circumstances! I’ve always felt that she’s been a front runner more because Repugs want her to be than that Dems do. I have yet to figure out how she can call herself a progressive as she betrays progressive tenets like freedom of expression by backing a bill to make flag burning illegal. She doing much better than I thought by really seeming to appear authentic, but alas, I think she’d ultimately sell out in a heartbeat for the promise of votes to give her power. And I still think Al Gore (who no longer needs any of this) is really “The One”!

Hillary = Republican lite. Bill gave corporations NAFTA and the China Trade Agreement and thru these actions has Walmartized US Citizens. Mexico’s economy is poverty stricken. The environment (water and land) is polluted due to the US companies that don’t have to comply to EPA standards. American jobs in manufacturing and industry have been shipped overseas and across the border. And what are US Citizens job opportunities now; buying chinese made crap and/or stocking the shelves, checkout, and telemarketing at minimum hourly wages. And for the elite is Wall Street offering of Hedge funds & derivatives. Supported and funded by the little people who are forced into Wall Street’s 401K plans and IRA’s. Imagine what the DOW would look like if the average citizen had better alternatives than gambling in the stock market for our retirement.

No more Clintons or Bushs. No more dynasties families.

From The Raw Story, about the little chat they want with Creature over 70,000 dead salmon:LINK

Cheney snubs House investigation of environmental meddling Nick Juliano
Published: Tuesday July 31, 2007

Cheney doesn’t reply to environmental invite

Members of the Bush administration will be called upon Tuesday to explain decisions on environmental policy that were apparently guided by politics — not science — during a House Natural Resources Committee hearing.

The hearing won’t include the official environmentalists believe to be most responsible for the political meddling — Vice President Dick Cheney. The vice president was invited to testify at the hearing in the wake of revelations that he reached far down into the federal environmental bureaucracy to influence decision-making, but he did not respond to the invitation.

“We don’t expect him to show up to testify,” Resources Committee spokeswoman Heather Warren told RAW STORY.

…

I simply must share this response I just received from my “Senator”. She is replying to a scathing letter I wrote to her after she defended W’s commutation of Scooter’s Prison sentence. How is this for a nonresponsive response?

Dear nonplussed:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the Scooter Libby trial. I welcome your thoughts and comments on this issue.

On March 6, 2007, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, former Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, was found guilty by a jury on four of the five felony counts with which he was charged. These four counts included two counts of perjury, one of obstruction of justice, and one of making false statements to federal investigators. The charges were brought by Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald after a nearly two-year investigation into the leaking of an undercover CIA officer’s identity. No other individuals were charged with wrongdoing in the matter.

On July 2, 2007, President Bush commuted the prison sentence of Mr. Libby, while leaving intact his conviction for perjury and obstruction of justice. Mr. Libby will still be required to pay a $250,000 fine and serve probation for two years.

It is vitally important that those serving in government maintain the highest level of integrity. Public officials who break or attempt to circumvent the law must be prosecuted to the full extent our justice system allows. I assure you, as long as I remain in the U.S. Senate serving the citizens of Texas, I will work to preserve our Constitution and insist on the highest ethical standards for the office with which I have been entrusted.

I appreciate hearing from you and hope you will not hesitate to keep in touch on any issue of concern to you.

Sincerely,
Kay Bailey Hutchison

After this gem of a response, I remain, nonplussed…

Fern @ 95

What ‘conditions’? Someone pointed out that Nancy has said that we (the people) don’t know ‘the half of it.’ For an astute politician
Nancy does not appear to be reading public sentiment too well.

While I appreciate that the Pelosi & the House leadership may be quietly getting all their ducks in a row, I confess to being a bit skeptical. It feels a bit like the Bush admin asking us to “trust them” when we’ve seen little evidence that we actually can.

I really agree with xyz @ 80 — that if impeachment really isn’t off the table, and they’re just trying to build a case for it, it will ultimately stand a better chance for success if the rhetoric would evolve a bit.

Anybody remember the old joke, “the cat’s on the roof.”?

They need to start warming everyone up — citizens & media — and it sure seems like yet another case where those in the Beltway are WAY behind public opinion in the rest of the country.

Tired Fed @ 82 – perhaps because Haggis is a bowl of steaming hot innards.

Adie @ 68

RevDeb @ 65

quick hit, quick question while waiting for the airport van.

Why does Marcy call Snarlin’ “Haggis?”

Oh and Happy B. Day to the mahvelous egregious and the straw stuffed shirt and pants.!

Scottish roots?

it’s more like he’s offal

nonplussed @ 105

I simply must share this response I just received from my “Senator”. She is replying to a scathing letter I wrote to her after she defended W’s commutation of Scooter’s Prison sentence. How is this for a nonresponsive response?

Dear nonplussed:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the Scooter Libby trial. I welcome your thoughts and comments on this issue.

On March 6, 2007, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, former Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, was found guilty by a jury on four of the five felony counts with which he was charged. These four counts included two counts of perjury, one of obstruction of justice, and one of making false statements to federal investigators. The charges were brought by Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald after a nearly two-year investigation into the leaking of an undercover CIA officer’s identity. No other individuals were charged with wrongdoing in the matter.

On July 2, 2007, President Bush commuted the prison sentence of Mr. Libby, while leaving intact his conviction for perjury and obstruction of justice. Mr. Libby will still be required to pay a $250,000 fine and serve probation for two years.

It is vitally important that those serving in government maintain the highest level of integrity. Public officials who break or attempt to circumvent the law must be prosecuted to the full extent our justice system allows. I assure you, as long as I remain in the U.S. Senate serving the citizens of Texas, I will work to preserve our Constitution and insist on the highest ethical standards for the office with which I have been entrusted.

I appreciate hearing from you and hope you will not hesitate to keep in touch on any issue of concern to you.

Sincerely,
Kay Bailey Hutchison

After this gem of a response, I remain, nonplussed…

I got that as well. Most have been the standard response to all the folks saying WTF.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 99

looseheadprop @ 88

Lotsa law firms work both sides of the aisle

It was the irony we found so striking. ;0)

I know. But every lawyer that I personally know at K & E, is a dem.

Ann in AZ @ 55

Oklahoma kiddo @ 4

We find this a bit odd.

July 31 (Bloomberg) — Lawyers at Kirkland & Ellis, the law firm that’s home to Kenneth Starr and Bush administration official Jay Lefkowitz, have given more to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign than to all of the top Republican candidates combined.

Then who would wonder why I say I won’t vote for Hillary under any circumstances! I’ve always felt that she’s been a front runner more because Repugs want her to be than that Dems do. I have yet to figure out how she can call herself a progressive as she betrays progressive tenets like freedom of expression by backing a bill to make flag burning illegal. She doing much better than I thought by really seeming to appear authentic, but alas, I think she’d ultimately sell out in a heartbeat for the promise of votes to give her power. And I still think Al Gore (who no longer needs any of this) is really “The One”!

With that bill she helped stop a Constitutional amendment on flag burning.

Happy birthday to Egregious and Scarecrow!!

British PM Brown supports Bush’s Iranian ambitions. Former British press secretary pimping book on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, said he feels that the world is a safer place with Saddam out.

Jon Stewart kicked a** last night. The rawhide dog bone was priceless. Stewart didn’t take any crap from the press secretary fop, either.

Faking News:

Michael O’Scamlon says all is well in Iraq.

-GSD

hackworth @ 93

xyz says:
Wouldn’t it be far better for Pelosi to say.

“There are grave concerns about Gonzales in connection with the politicized firings of US Attorneys general and wiretapping of American citizens. In the days ahead, Democrats will continue to investigate these possible crimes as part of their oversight responsibilities, while also continuing to pass responsible legislation. In our pursuit of the truth, no investigative tools will be taken off the table. Oversight and legislative action are each integral parts of the Democratic agenda and we take them both very seriously.”

Amen, brother. It would be bloody awesome if she had said that!

forwarded to Madam Speaker (with a few minor corrections) at The Gavel. Suggest others do the same.

3-4 years to get down to 1/2 of the forces we have now in Iraq and still maintain rotations….

Good Goddess.

GSD @ 115

Michael O’Scamlon says all is well in Iraq.

-GSD

O’Scamlon and Kenneth Pollack ” allegedly US-Go1 in the Rosen espionage” tell us everything o.k. in Iraq. Wonder when these two will go spend some time with the Iraqi refugees?

They see us in Iraq for years, but not on a permanent “base”. They just said that.

Diane @ 109

Tired Fed @ 82 – perhaps because Haggis is a bowl of steaming hot innards.

that works, too.

To 106, Aren’t you glad they are so concerned about the highest ethical standards, a little lying that she called a technicality. Reading the totality of your post reminded me of the Judge’s comment about expecting better from 1st year Law students. Sames expectation here for a Senator: surely she could muster a little passion, and not the mouth the same ol’ tripe.

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 38

TexB @ 32

Good morning firepups.

Happy birthday to egregious and scarecrow.

I’ve got one to add:
A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION

It is time to think about the “unthinkable.” The Bush Administration has both the inclination and the power to cancel the 2008 election. The GOP strategy for another electoral theft in 2008 has taken clear shape, though we must assume there is much more we don’t know.

But we must also assume that if it appears to Team Bush/Cheney/Rove that the GOP will lose the 2008 election anyway (as it lost in Ohio 2006), we cannot ignore the possibility that they would simply cancel the election. Those who think this crew will quietly walk away from power are simply not paying attention. The real question is not how or when they might do it. It’s how, realistically, we can stop them.-More

When time permits, please look at Article I, Section 4 of the Constitution.

I believe we have been told that the Patriot Act permits GW to suspend the Constitution, and there are many of us who are dead nervous he will manipulate a ’security risk’ permitting him to do just that.

On another subject, I assume Robert Greenwald is a journalist. I looked at his YouTube Thingy 3 times before I watched it right through. He must do that unspeakabke thing for a journalist: he must talk to an ad man, because it comes across as agreeing with O’Reilly, Hume et al, supporting the attacks on the blogosphere. The little explosions are too subtle so refutations of a bolder sort should be interspersed……. Great clips for shooting at, though!

looseheadprop @ 88

Oklahoma kiddo @ 4

We find this a bit odd.

July 31 (Bloomberg) — Lawyers at Kirkland & Ellis, the law firm that’s home to Kenneth Starr and Bush administration official Jay Lefkowitz, have given more to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign than to all of the top Republican candidates combined.

Lotsa law firms work both sides of the aisle

Yeah, but do they have ulterior motives for their backing? Are they likely to change sides in the general election?

Iglesias testifies behind closed doors on Wednesday

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/073007R.shtml

Yeah, but do they have ulterior motives for their backing? Are they likely to change sides in the general election?

You can count on it!

LS @ 118

They see us in Iraq for years, but not on a permanent “base”. They just said that.

Not one permanent base – many bases that seem permanent but are not. After all, what is really permanent? The sun seems permanent but it will eventually burn out. What is with you libruls and why can’t you understand normal thinking?

Nola Sue @ 108

While I appreciate that the Pelosi & the House leadership may be quietly getting all their ducks in a row, I confess to being a bit skeptical. It feels a bit like the Bush admin asking us to “trust them” when we’ve seen little evidence that we actually can.

I really agree with xyz @ 80 — that if impeachment really isn’t off the table, and they’re just trying to build a case for it, it will ultimately stand a better chance for success if the rhetoric would evolve a bit.

Anybody remember the old joke, “the cat’s on the roof.”?

They need to start warming everyone up — citizens & media — and it sure seems like yet another case where those in the Beltway are WAY behind public opinion in the rest of the country.

I don’t think Pelosi is working behind the scenes to build an impeachment case. I truly believe that her commnets are an honest reflection of her thoughts on the matter.

Others in Congress,(think Nadler, Waxman, Conyers) want the facts to come out, but even they don’t seem ready to push for impeachment.

Why? They are afraid that impeachment hearings will overshadow the 2008 elections and cause the Dems not to be able to get their message out.

Now, if I wanted to be rude, I could point out that the Dems NEVER seem to get their message out and cave in to swiftboating every time.

The one and ONLYmessage the dems managed to get out at the midterms was not even pushed that heavily by the dems, but rather arose from speculation in the media that people might vote dem because

a vote for dems=a vote for change

That was NOT dem messaging. The crap DCCC messaging, if I understood alll those poorly written emails that cluttered up my inbox was that the Amrican people ought to care more about health care and pension reform than about the war.

Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the dems ran on domestic agenda issues. We elected them to send them a message that we wanted change an oversight.

But that was not what they ran on, and they delude themselves that that are doing a good thing by fufilling a promise (domestic agenda) that the voters didn’t really take into consideration when they voted Dem.

I’m not saying the agenda sucks or anything like that. Just that Dems in Congress (with a few notable exceptions who happen to live in “safe” districts and don’t need to listen to DCCC or SCCC) don’t want impeachment to detract from the ” dem message” thatnobody is listening to anyway.

I know that seems a little circular, but….

What’s going to be in the Specter “administration clarification” letter?

I’m thinking Bush will say he “directed” Gonzales to say what he said, in order to protect national security, and that the matter cannot be discussed for that very reason. Then he’ll say that Gonzo is preemptively pardoned and cannot be impeached.

Is that a possibility?

I happened to channel surf during a KO commercial. O’Reilly and Malkkin were at it again and absolutely sure we were winning the war, ex. that Brookings guy says so (the same one who said there would be no insurgency, I guess). They seem kind of obsessed with the “defeatists” at the Daily Kos. They’re sad, pathetic people.

Two parties, seemingly joined at hip and lip. I’m open to changing my mind if conditions warrant.

LS @ 128

What’s going to be in the Specter “administration clarification” letter?

I’m thinking Bush will say he “directed” Gonzales to say what he said, in order to protect national security, and that the matter cannot be discussed for that very reason. Then he’ll say that Gonzo is preemptively pardoned and cannot be impeached.

Is that a possibility?

Yep!

The Hill reporting that there is gonna be a big showdown at the OK Corral at high noon- Senator Spectre says so- his staff says that there will be a “bombshell”. Clusterfuck is supposed to present a document by then to clear Gonzo.

hackworth @ 126

LS @ 118

They see us in Iraq for years, but not on a permanent “base”. They just said that.

Not one permanent base – many bases that seem permanent but are not. After all, what is really permanent? The sun seems permanent but it will eventually burn out. What is with you libruls and why can’t you understand normal thinking?

That is pretty much what I thought they might have meant. LOL

LS @ 128

What’s going to be in the Specter “administration clarification” letter?

I’m thinking Bush will say he “directed” Gonzales to say what he said, in order to protect national security, and that the matter cannot be discussed for that very reason. Then he’ll say that Gonzo is preemptively pardoned and cannot be impeached.

Is that a possibility?

I’m guessing they’re not even going to bother with a letter at all. Specter will huff and puff for about 20 minutes, then say there should be no consequences for the White House blowing him off.

Meanwhile, let’s wrap our minds around this one:

Filed at 10:59 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly 20,000 U.S. troops based in the United States will begin departing for Iraq in December as part of the regular rotation of combat forces there, the Defense Department announced Tuesday.

These Army and Marine Corps units are not related to the buildup of American troops announced by President Bush in January, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said.

Not related to the buildup?

Fern @ 96

Millineryman @ 75

It may be telling that Pelosi expressed her own opinion about advocating impeachment if she wasn’t in Congress.

Has she done this before? If she hasn’t, perhaps with the push she’s be getting she feels more confident about expressing this.

I’m just putting this out there for consideration. I still think she’s wrong for taking it off the table, I support impeachment.

I don’t believe she has truly taken it off the table – I think that if she felt the conditions were right, you’d see something happen.

I agree with Fern. Solid evidence with lots of media coverage is what is needed so people can’t think it’s a democratic witch hunt. She wants lots of support for impeachment, and the closer to the ‘08 elections, the better. I do think that her having said how she would feel if she were an ordinary citizen is a nice first signal.

Frank Probst @ 134

LS @ 128

What’s going to be in the Specter “administration clarification” letter?

I’m thinking Bush will say he “directed” Gonzales to say what he said, in order to protect national security, and that the matter cannot be discussed for that very reason. Then he’ll say that Gonzo is preemptively pardoned and cannot be impeached.

Is that a possibility?

I’m guessing they’re not even going to bother with a letter at all. Specter will huff and puff for about 20 minutes, then say there should be no consequences for the White House blowing him off.

Arlen Spector . . .

LS

Clusterfuck can pardon the other jackass- but he can’t keep congress from impeachin him. Lots of journalists think that the jig is about up for gonzo- but they’ve been thinkin that for a while now.

I need a breath of fresh air. George Galloway’s full tesitmony ripping the U.S. Senate

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_…..556113.stm

I’m greatly disturbed by the California Electoral Vote story. We’ve said over and over that they will do something to steal another election. Well, that’ll do it.

Frank Probst @ 134

LS @ 128

What’s going to be in the Specter “administration clarification” letter?

I’m thinking Bush will say he “directed” Gonzales to say what he said, in order to protect national security, and that the matter cannot be discussed for that very reason. Then he’ll say that Gonzo is preemptively pardoned and cannot be impeached.

Is that a possibility?

I’m guessing they’re not even going to bother with a letter at all. Specter will huff and puff for about 20 minutes, then say there should be no consequences for the White House blowing him off.

I think Specter has struck a deal with the WH to kibosh any investigation involving Gonzo. That would get Gonzo out of the way, and leave a Bush/Cheney impeachment staring them in the face as the only way forward. JMHO

Thanks, lhp (@127). It does sound circular, but it ain’t you. It’s the Dems’ messaging & logic that’s circular! (see me @ 81)

I think you’ve nailed it, and that means we have to keep banging Molly’s pots & pans.

Is this the ‘Bridge to Nowhere Alaska’ my money earmarked senator?

FBI, IRS Search Home of U.S. Sen. Stevens, Who Has Been Scrutinized in Corruption Probe
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/n…..en_ted.php

rwcole @ 132

The Hill reporting that there is gonna be a big showdown at the OK Corral at high noon- Senator Spectre says so- his staff says that there will be a “bombshell”. Clusterfuck is supposed to present a document by then to clear Gonzo.

So, if he clears Gonzo, does that through Mueller and Hayden under the bus?

If Gonzo is right, are Mueller, Hayden, Ashcroft and Comey all wrong? (I realize the last two are completely expendable to Bush)

bio

I would take that to mean that these are replacements for troops that are coming home-and so will not result in an additional buildup.

Biodun @ 135

Meanwhile, let’s wrap our minds around this one:

Filed at 10:59 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly 20,000 U.S. troops based in the United States will begin departing for Iraq in December as part of the regular rotation of combat forces there, the Defense Department announced Tuesday.

These Army and Marine Corps units are not related to the buildup of American troops announced by President Bush in January, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said.

Not related to the buildup?

Anyone from the Bush family in that 20,000? Of course not. Royalty has its privleges, one of which is never serving your country.

It is sad that no one ever asked the Preznit why his family does not serve in his war.

RockPaperScizzors @ 143

Is this the ‘Bridge to Nowhere Alaska’ my money earmarked senator?

FBI, IRS Search Home of U.S. Sen. Stevens, Who Has Been Scrutinized in Corruption Probe
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/n…..en_ted.php

The very same!

OT..Repost?..Mike Stark takes on O’Reilly..

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/31/9920/91146

looseheadprop @ 127

Why? They are afraid that impeachment hearings will overshadow the 2008 elections and cause the Dems not to be able to get their message out.

i agree with what your wrote.. but i think it’s more than that. the message is that “bush sucks and the republicans suck.” but this isnt’ a message that the dems have to provide – so long as bush and the republicans are still being allowed to screw things up. the american public have figured it out. if the outrages are allowed to continue – the american public will be outraged, and possibly destroy the republicans in nov. 2008.

if effective oversight occurs between now and nov. 2008, the outrages and lawlessness will be contained. the troops will be brought home.

and the public won’t be outraged against the republicans in nov. 2008.

at least, i think that’s their poltical calculation,..

RockPaper at 142 — Yes, it is. And I have something coming up on that very shortly…

Oklahoma kiddo @ 4

We find this a bit odd.

July 31 (Bloomberg) — Lawyers at Kirkland & Ellis, the law firm that’s home to Kenneth Starr and Bush administration official Jay Lefkowitz, have given more to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign than to all of the top Republican candidates combined.

I find that odd as well. Richard Wolffe–who has a barely concealed reverance for conservativia–said on KO last night that Gordon Brown is looking forward to “working with President Clinton.”
The primary is NOT over, yet.

lhp

Beats me- the Senator seems to be enjoying his fifteen minutes…by the way- it’s damned near high noon!

The Bancrofts sold out. Who thought they would not.
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters…..es.html?hp

Biodun @ 134

Meanwhile, let’s wrap our minds around this one:

Filed at 10:59 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly 20,000 U.S. troops based in the United States will begin departing for Iraq in December as part of the regular rotation of combat forces there, the Defense Department announced Tuesday.

These Army and Marine Corps units are not related to the buildup of American troops announced by President Bush in January, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said.

Not related to the buildup?

If they say it – it must be so. The press are hopelessly devoted to Bushco even when what Bushco says contains no logic whatsoever. Up is down. They make their own reality. They said so.

Oh, I almost forgot

Felicitations and salutations to both Eg and Scarecrow on the anniversary of the wonderful day(s) of their births.

Eat extra cake for me.

Happy birthday, egregious and scarescrow.

CHS have a productive and enjoyable trip to Chitown.

Safety first.

ls thanks for the ‘more info on precarious electoral votes in california’ link at 101……….

selise @ 149

looseheadprop @ 127

Why? They are afraid that impeachment hearings will overshadow the 2008 elections and cause the Dems not to be able to get their message out.

i agree with what your wrote.. but i think it’s more than that. the message is that “bush sucks and the republicans suck.” but this isnt’ a message that the dems have to provide – so long as bush and the republicans are still being allowed to screw things up. the american public have figured it out. if the outrages are allowed to continue – the american public will be outraged, and possibly destroy the republicans in nov. 2008.

if effective oversight occurs between now and nov. 2008, the outrages and lawlessness will be contained. the troops will be brought home.

and the public won’t be outraged against the republicans in nov. 2008.

at least, i think that’s their poltical calculation,..

If so, they would start IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY right now, and let it drip drip drip until Nov 2008 and then turn over the results for post office criminal prosecution

looseheadprop @ 155

Oh, I almost forgot

Felicitations and salutations to both Eg and Scarecrow on the anniversary of the wonderful day(s) of their births.

Eat extra cake for me.

Happy B-Day guys.

selise @ 149

looseheadprop @ 127

Why? They are afraid that impeachment hearings will overshadow the 2008 elections and cause the Dems not to be able to get their message out.

i agree with what your wrote.. but i think it’s more than that. the message is that “bush sucks and the republicans suck.” but this isnt’ a message that the dems have to provide – so long as bush and the republicans are still being allowed to screw things up. the american public have figured it out. if the outrages are allowed to continue – the american public will be outraged, and possibly destroy the republicans in nov. 2008.

if effective oversight occurs between now and nov. 2008, the outrages and lawlessness will be contained. the troops will be brought home.

and the public won’t be outraged against the republicans in nov. 2008.

at least, i think that’s their poltical calculation,..

You’re forgetting about the Republicans, though. Bush is running around acting like a King and thumbing his nose at Congress. The Republicans are rolling over for it right now, but they’re going to realize soon that all of King George’s supposed powers may end up being passed on to Empress Hillary. They hate her a lot more than they love him. It’s going to be fun to see how they react when this realization settles in.

Can one of the mods start a high noon countdown thread?

What the F*** is this?!? Sounds like a “national security professional” something. Uh Oh.:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..517-6.html

Badwater @ 145

Biodun @ 135

Meanwhile, let’s wrap our minds around this one:

Not related to the buildup?

Anyone from the Bush family in that 20,000? Of course not. Royalty has its privleges, one of which is never serving your country.

It is sad that no one ever asked the Preznit why his family does not serve in his war.

I think the press asked Tony Snow one time and he used the “The Preznit is fighting every day” BS

AP spins:

Filed at 9:52 a.m. ET

BAGHDAD (AP) — The U.S. military said Tuesday that a Marine was killed in fighting west of the capital, pushing the American death toll for July to at least 75, the lowest in eight months.

My bold. This is sad, when 75 can be celebrated as “lowest.”

Frank Probst @ 161

Can one of the mods start a high noon countdown thread?

Is specter gonna be on CSPAn or what? Where do I look?

Frank at 160 — No, they really can’t.

But there is a fresh thread ready to go…

Solai @ 139

I’m greatly disturbed by the California Electoral Vote story. We’ve said over and over that they will do something to steal another election. Well, that’ll do it.

The Schwartz will help them. He made the Enron, Cheneyco, et. al. lawsuits go away.

Solai @ 140

I’m greatly disturbed by the California Electoral Vote story. We’ve said over and over that they will do something to steal another election. Well, that’ll do it.

I’ve been thinking about this – IF the guy can get the initiative qualified in time for the 2008 ballot and IF the voters were to pass it… how could it affect the 2008 election? it seems to me that it would not go into effect until 2009 if there were no court challenges… and you know there would be court challenges.

Bush’s Gonzo letter:

Dear Homeland,

Yes, we are spying on all of you all the time. Get over it. I told them to do it, so what are you gonna do about it pussies. You all serve me at my pleasure. You are hereby directed to go shopping.

W

Pelosi is bought and sold by The Lobby, and just goes through the motions. O’Reilly is right to be scared, because it really was the blogosphere which geed up the electorate to vote Dems=Change, and now the great battle is to get the Pussies in Congress to understand that fact, so we must not relent.

O’Scum and and Bollocks are so full of whatever… it is hard to know where to start. It seems to stretch up to 60 years old that no one knows any history. Mesopotamia did not work as a single unit for the Ottoman Empire, absolutely not for the British, a little under Feisal and then only under some sort of strong man, from Qasim on until Saddam. In particular, Sir Arnold Wilson wrote a report at the end of 1926 about how 130,000 soldiers (That number ring a bell?) were insufficient for the task and that bases did not cut it (BTW there were 2.5 mill. Iraqis then not the 26 mill. of 2003!) The RAF base at Habbaniya was a bit necessary for re-fuelling aircraft, and ‘accommodation’ found with the local (Sunni) tribesmen, lots of whom had fought with the various irregular groups, but especially
Lawrence, of course.

Perhaps O’Scum and Bollocks cannot read, only dictate into a Microsoft writer and thus have no trouble ignoring facts — what we do not know, we do not know we do not know it!

And then there is Petraeus, our “expert on occupation and counter-insurgency” when the DoD of the US as fortuitously no institutional memory of such matters, just 4 years in Iraq! Book-learning is excellent, but in military terms a long institutional memory is actually more important.

looseheadprop @ 127

Nola Sue @ 108

While I appreciate that the Pelosi & the House leadership may be quietly getting all their ducks in a row, I confess to being a bit skeptical. It feels a bit like the Bush admin asking us to “trust them” when we’ve seen little evidence that we actually can.

I really agree with xyz @ 80 — that if impeachment really isn’t off the table, and they’re just trying to build a case for it, it will ultimately stand a better chance for success if the rhetoric would evolve a bit.

Anybody remember the old joke, “the cat’s on the roof.”?

They need to start warming everyone up — citizens & media — and it sure seems like yet another case where those in the Beltway are WAY behind public opinion in the rest of the country.

I don’t think Pelosi is working behind the scenes to build an impeachment case. I truly believe that her commnets are an honest reflection of her thoughts on the matter.

Others in Congress,(think Nadler, Waxman, Conyers) want the facts to come out, but even they don’t seem ready to push for impeachment.

Why? They are afraid that impeachment hearings will overshadow the 2008 elections and cause the Dems not to be able to get their message out.

Now, if I wanted to be rude, I could point out that the Dems NEVER seem to get their message out and cave in to swiftboating every time.

The one and ONLYmessage the dems managed to get out at the midterms was not even pushed that heavily by the dems, but rather arose from speculation in the media that people might vote dem because

a vote for dems=a vote for change

That was NOT dem messaging. The crap DCCC messaging, if I understood alll those poorly written emails that cluttered up my inbox was that the Amrican people ought to care more about health care and pension reform than about the war.

Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the dems ran on domestic agenda issues. We elected them to send them a message that we wanted change an oversight.

But that was not what they ran on, and they delude themselves that that are doing a good thing by fufilling a promise (domestic agenda) that the voters didn’t really take into consideration when they voted Dem.

I’m not saying the agenda sucks or anything like that. Just that Dems in Congress (with a few notable exceptions who happen to live in “safe” districts and don’t need to listen to DCCC or SCCC) don’t want impeachment to detract from the ” dem message” thatnobody is listening to anyway.

I know that seems a little circular, but….

This was the message:
1. Honest leadership and open government
2. Real Security
3. Energy independence
4. Economic prosperity and educational excellence
5. Healthcare that works for everyone
6. Retirement security

Kinda makes you want to take a nap.

Oh wait! Happy B-Day egregious and scarecrow. To the Knights of Cydonia. (even if you don’t like the music, I find the theme kind of great for Demo-warriors.)

The 75 casualties just became 82- tied for lowest in FOUR months- but we usually get a few extra reports at the end of the month–so it will probably be 85 or so- lowest in THREE months- but those were butt ugly months.

maunga @ 122

I believe we have been told that the Patriot Act permits GW to suspend the Constitution, and there are many of us who are dead nervous he will manipulate a ’security risk’ permitting him to do just that.

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 38

When time permits, please look at Article I, Section 4 of the Constitution.

Okayyy. I did. And I eventually get shunted to Amendment 20, which presumably has been properly ratified and therefore is in effect, and from which the following sections are quoted verbatim:

2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.

3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

Where-oh-where would the Preznit find the power to suspend the Constitution as long as the section above is in effect? I speak as an uninformed citizen. I’m serious. Is it so incredibly hard to ADD to the Constitution, what with ratification by the states & all, and yet some tin-horn can just waltz in and dump it out with the trash?!?

Please, any of you legal-eagles out there, straighten me out. I thank you in advance.

looseheadprop @ 158

selise @ 149

i agree with what your wrote.. but i think it’s more than that. the message is that “bush sucks and the republicans suck.” but this isnt’ a message that the dems have to provide – so long as bush and the republicans are still being allowed to screw things up. the american public have figured it out. if the outrages are allowed to continue – the american public will be outraged, and possibly destroy the republicans in nov. 2008.

if effective oversight occurs between now and nov. 2008, the outrages and lawlessness will be contained. the troops will be brought home.

and the public won’t be outraged against the republicans in nov. 2008.

at least, i think that’s their poltical calculation,..

If so, they would start IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY right now, and let it drip drip drip until Nov 2008 and then turn over the results for post office criminal prosecution

much too risky. better to take the safer path.

…again, this is not my view… just what i think the dems congressional leadership are calculating (based on what they’ve been saying and doing)

LS @ 162

What the F*** is this?!? Sounds like a “national security professional” something. Uh Oh.:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..517-6.html

Actually, assuming it’s on th eup and up (and will not be perverted into something dark and ugly) this seems to be the first heads upo thing I have seen i this area.

Kinda like the War College, no? Otherwise you have guys like Fitzgerald and Kelley who had to self teach while on the job. Instead of everybody having to re-invent the wheel, actual TRAINING. WHat a concept.

I am all alone upstairs. Getting lonely. Where are my friends? Where’s my teddy bear?

Christy Hardin Smith @ 150

RockPaper at 142 — Yes, it is. And I have something coming up on that very shortly…

Will you be tying in Bill Moyer’s Journal with Taxpayers for Common Sense about earmarks?
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour…..ript2.html

New thread

Impeachment?

Let’s think about this-

Congress (and Clusterfuck) are about ta take their August vacations. They’ll be back in September at which time the Iraq debate will start in earnest- by the time that’s all over- it will be time for the holiday break- after the holiday break, if dems start impeachment proceedings, americans are gonna say “Hey we’re gettin rid of his sorry ass anyway at the end of the year- why in the hell would you waste your time in an attempt to kick him out that you know damned well doesn’t have a chance in hell of succeeding- what are ya STOOPID!”

I put the odds of impeachment for Clusterfuck about the same as the odds for the sun not rising tomorrow.

Gonzo’s a different matter- get HIS sorry ass!!

looseheadprop @ 155

Oh, I almost forgot

Felicitations and salutations to both Eg and Scarecrow on the anniversary of the wonderful day(s) of their births.

Eat extra cake for me.

Happy Birthday to you both. :)

I cant even think about cake. Its been a busy week here, with my wife, brother, sister, and me all celebrating our birthdays. I’m all caked out. :)

Happy Birthday Urban Pirate.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 4

We find this a bit odd.

July 31 (Bloomberg) — Lawyers at Kirkland & Ellis, the law firm that’s home to Kenneth Starr and Bush administration official Jay Lefkowitz, have given more to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign than to all of the top Republican candidates combined.

If I were a Republican wanting the Dems to lose the next Pres election I’d get Hillary in as the Dem nominee. I’m a rabid liberal, but have rabid Repub friends who froth at the mouth at the idea of Hillary. If you want to drag out every single Repub vote run Hillary for Pres.

And in my rabid liberal mind Hillary was either dupped or politicized into the Iraq vote and we CAN NOT have as pres of the US someone who can be that easily dupped or politicized. I don’t care how smooth and powerful and a woman she is. She voted for our country to go kill people in a war. Lots of black women like Rice because she’s a black woman. Lots of hispanics are proud of Gonzo because he’s hispanic. Let’s not push Hillary just because she’s a powerful woman and, gosh, darn, how neato wonderful it will be to have a woman pres.

The dem contender who would thrive best in the monarchy Bush created, and would resist tearing it down, is Hillary.

So, if you want to max out the Repub vote and minimize the Dem vote run Hillary.

I’m reiterating one of my themes … that the next Pres will likely be a Dem and some Dems don’t really want to dismantle the monarchy. Just shake the boat enough to win the election, then get their hands on that big bright steering wheel of power.

Once you impeach Gonzo you crack open the stonewall and the backed up sewer pipe garbage that spews forth will take down a god awful lot before it, likely including some powerful Dems. Others have commented that there may be some blackmail hanging over some key Dem heads that keeps them in check. I don’t know. But I wouldn’t be surprised. There’s something awful backed up behind that stonewall and when it busts loose the sh*t that flows out will be color blind and as likely to dirty someone in blue as in red.

My take? God we need that impeachment. Time to flush the pipes.

Excellent thread, Christy.

The “long memory” thing is something at which we badly need to be good. And persistent. And vocal.

We can’t afford to let the warpimps run their bullshit about:

“Gosharootie! WhereEVER did this clusterfuck come from? It must all be Chelsea’s fault.”

David W. Bartoo @ 53

Please can we try to be fair?
Pelosi just needs some time.
The applecart needs polishing.

Everybody knows you don’t bring out a new applecart in July!

dakine01 @ 111

nonplussed @ 105

I simply must share this response I just received from my “Senator”. She is replying to a scathing letter I wrote to her after she defended W’s commutation of Scooter’s Prison sentence. How is this for a nonresponsive response?

After this gem of a response, I remain, nonplussed…

I got that as well. Most have been the standard response to all the folks saying WTF.

You just have to write back and ask her how PRECISELY she has defended the Constitution when President Bush lied us into war in Iraq, spied on American citizens without FISA approval, illegally detained US citizens, denied them their Constitutional habeas corpus rights and tortured them for years before releasing them?

LS @ 128

What’s going to be in the Specter “administration clarification” letter?

I’m thinking Bush will say he “directed” Gonzales to say what he said, in order to protect national security, and that the matter cannot be discussed for that very reason. Then he’ll say that Gonzo is preemptively pardoned and cannot be impeached.

Is that a possibility?

He might pardon Gonzales and that’s fine. But, it doesn’t stop Congress from impeaching him and tossing his pardoned butt out on the street.

I’d like to see Gonzales kicked out and then we move on to either Rove or Cheney. Bush ought to be made to feel permanent pressure while opponents rip his administration to shreds. If he won’t see reason, then a little force might ‘persuade’ him it’s time to leave Iraq.

If he doesn’t see ‘reason’, then his own impeachment ought to begin early next year, regardless of what Nancy said. We simply cannot let Congressional Bush Republicans get away with supporting this traitorous anti-Constitutional behavior from the Executive.

Loo Hoo. @ 171

looseheadprop @ 127

I don’t think Pelosi is working behind the scenes to build an impeachment case. I truly believe that her commnets are an honest reflection of her thoughts on the matter.

…

Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the dems ran on domestic agenda issues. We elected them to send them a message that we wanted change an oversight.
…

I’m not saying the agenda sucks or anything like that.
…

This was the message:
1. Honest leadership and open government
2. Real Security
3. Energy independence
4. Economic prosperity and educational excellence
5. Healthcare that works for everyone
6. Retirement security

Kinda makes you want to take a nap.

Not me. I think it is pretty good. Can you name some other things which are more important?

BTW, your spelling is bad or you are drunk.