Rootstrapping, n. The practice of courting grassroots money and activism solely to attain elective office, thus securing the advantages of incumbency and making future grassroots support unnecessary. See also: Carney, Chris and McNerney, Jerry.
First Chris Carney made the transition from Blue American to Blue Dog, and now, according to babaloo at Calitics, it appears that Jerry McNerney has done the same. In the space of less than a year, McNerney has gone from proclaiming himself “a Barbara Boxer Democrat,” to proclaiming, “I am a moderate” to explain his vote in favor of using federal funds to prosecute medicinal marijuana growers. (As babaloo points out, only 24% of Californians, and 33% of CA Republicans agree with McNerney’s “moderate” position.)
To make matters worse, McNerney is also easing himself into the we’re-making-progress-in-Iraq-let’s-just-wait-and-see caucus, although he’s not completely pickled in Kool-Aid yet:
McNerney, the California congressman, also said he saw signs of progress in Ramadi and was impressed by Petraeus, who argued in favor of giving President Bush’s troop surge strategy time to work.
McNerney said he still favors a timeline to get troops out of Iraq — something House leaders may bring to the floor again this week as part of a defense spending bill — but is open to crafting it in a way more favorable to generals’ wishes.
“As long as we start at a certain date I’d be willing to be a little more flexible in terms of when it might end,” McNerney said.
Babaloo asks the very good question: “How do we, as a progressive movement, demand accountability from the candidates that we support?” Sure, we can withdraw that support, but once the rootstrapper wields the power of incumbency, does he or she really care? A strong primary challenge would be the most satisfying corrective, but is much easier said than done.
And while you’re chewing on that one, I have two more:
1) As the grassroots and netroots become more effective at propelling unknown/outsider candidates into elective office, will this make rootstrapping more attractive (”Hey! A way to get my foot in the door without having to attract corporate/establishment donors!”) or less (”Geez, I guess I shouldn’t piss those guys off if I want to keep my seat”)?
2) How do we prevent it? We can ask a candidate all the questions we want about what kind of rep/senator/governor they’ll be, but how do we know they’re not just telling us what we want to hear? Background checks? Polygraphs? Waterboarding?
Maybe we should just be wary of anyone whose name ends in Ney…
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woo hoo Eli!
ha
Hiya, LL!
Every Firepup whose last name ends in “ney” is going to hate me now.
:-(
I coulda been somebody. A Zed.
Shuster is all over AGAG on MSNBC
Another “-ney” to be wary of is on Larry King Live right now!
raven1 @ 2
message downstairs, bro
LoudounLib @ 6
Don’t think he didn’t cross my mind – but it’s pretty tough to link to two people in one three-letter word.
Abrams says Specter is as bipartisan as you can get on Gonzo.
And he’s a news director at MSNBC.
Cheney says “the last throes” statement was a mistake. The insurgency was “more robust” than expected.
What a dolt.
james @ 9
WTF does that even mean???
james @ 9
Abrams is a tool, but if what he meant is that Arlin’s criticism of Abu can’t be chalked up to partisan criticism, he does have a point.
It’ll be interesting to see what Howie Klein has to say about McNerney…
Good questions, Eli. How do we keep from being taken advantage of? I so hate that.
Eli @ 11
He’s trying to say that Specter’s request that the answer come from the AG directly or the WH in a letter should be respected because he ain’t on of those damn Dems so he’s interested in justice and the Dems are interested in theater, I guess.
Cheney believes that Patreas us producing results.
This is not Larry King’s usual set-up for an interview. Cheney demanded an equal setting. Larry is not across from his guests on a higher level. They are at a round table, both at the same level.
i cant comment right now…. too busy trying to get that knife out of my back!!
james @ 15
Feh. So I guess only Republicans have standing to make accusations or ask questions.
Anyway, I thought Specter *was* a Democrat – Fox News told me so!
Hey Eli,
You going to kos?
Loo Hoo. @ 16
So Larry had to lower himself to be on the same level as CheNEY?
One can only wonder how many more like Carney and McNerney are out there?
We here cannot really see any solution except public financing of elections. On retail politics, Biden is dead on. My friend and I feel this is the most important mission for progressives to engage in after 2008.
How to make sure that a candidate stays true to his or her word? Ask the questions in a public forum and make sure that the press and right-side bloggers get a hold of the questions and answers.
Somehow these changelings are able to whisper in our ears “I’m a blue-dog democrat!” while telling other supporters, “I’m a mad-dog Bushbot.”
Somehow the messages never crossed paths. And somehow when they were talking to the people they are now serving, none of us were around to hear them.
Hi Eli!
live and learn, eh?
As the grassroots and netroots become more effective at propelling unknown/outsider candidates into elective office, will this make rootstrapping more attractive -we bring you Diane Benson! She’s the most authentic progressive candidate in recent Alaska history.
Now that Don Young is a trapped mink, old school pols from the Alaska Democratic Party are coming out of the woodwork to gnaw on his bleeding, trapped, doomed body. Diane had the courage to run against him in ‘06, and can beat ANY Rethug they put up there. But she’ll need progressive help!
egregious @ 19
I really wanted to, but I took two trips in June and another in July, so I couldn’t afford it on multiple levels. Maybe if it had been Labor Day weekend…
Cheney; “Betray-us is an impressive Officer… …I’ve had my eye on him for a number of years…!!!” WTF!!!
Ed*ard Teller @ 24
Yeah, I do believe she is the real deal, and I did send her some cheese last year.
I have to stand up for McNerney.
Defeating Pombo in a heavily Republican District was a big deal. He is the number one target of the GOP in the 2008 cycle and he has to pick his battles carefully.
This Diary, McNerney (CA-11) Wins a BIG One for us all…, that I posted a while ago tells how McNerney stood up against Democratic lobbyists supporting sweatshops and human trafficking and won the battle.
He (like all elected officials) will disappoint from time to time. Unlike most he has fought against modern slavery. That count for something in my book.
Cheers
Justice @ 22
Maybe we could do a better job of vetting them, too. Dig into their backgrounds more, their upbringing, their associations and what-not in their formative years?
Justice @ 22
I’m not sure that’s what was happening, though. Unless you count the Lieberman campaign, which was something else entirely.
Darth says he doesn’t “Freelance”
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAhhahaha
Nice post.
Somehow I think the answer involves YouTube.
egregious @ 19
Happy Birthday, egregious!
off topic:
Senator Stevens tells the camera “I brought $3 Billion dollars to the Alaska economy, and now you launch this bogus investigation on me.” (paraphrased)
too funny (and maybe not so off topic afterall?)
Eli, I agree with you that we need some accountability with regard to the BlueAmerica candidates. I was furious with McNerney even when he came back to explain his position on the Iraq vote on Howie’s Saturday show.
Maybe Howie needs to ask candidates to sign a contract stating their beliefs and positions, which would not be legally binding of course, but would at least be something we could have to
show the press/constituents.
Something has to happen. I’ve committed to money between a few months ago and the election, and not for this type of candidate.
dengre @ 28
But how do you explain the medicinal marijuana vote, when even *Republicans* don’t agree with it? Who is he appealing to?
Eli, Isn’t Rootstrapping similar to ‘Astroturfin’??? ;-)
Pachacutec @ 32
I dunno, man. I don’t want to associate with all those perverts and pedophiles.
james @ 33
Oh, snap! Happy birthday, eg!
This is a little OT but:
http://www.iowapolitics.com/in…..cle=101389
I am glad Tancredo has no shot to be President. The man is bat sh-t crazy. He claims to have the perfect solution to Islamic terrorism. If they attack us again, he says he’d level Mecca.
Cheney is a vile, reptilian creature. He gives me the creeps.
EPU’d. I’m not sure whether this is another example of how corrupt Alaska politicians can be, or my ham-fistedness when trying to create an ActBlue page:
Ed*ard Teller @ 131
Loo Hoo. @ 35
Howie did have a questionnaire like that. Carney said he would endorse hate crimes legislation, then welshed.
neurophius @ 40
DITTO
Dang, eg, I’m jealous of your iphone!!! :P
Loo Hoo. @ 35
We here cannot really see any solution except public financing of elections.
Let’s just say that without taking the money out of it, no other measure is going to accomplish much. It’s the root of the problem.
CTuttle @ 44
Alas, the iPhone doesn’t support copy and paste. If I can’t blog with it, it’s not worth it. And the crap network doesn’t help either.
I still lust after it, though.
need to really examine their actions over a period of time to see if they’ve been consistent in views and actions is all i can think of – otherwise whats to do? its a chance i guess we take i suppose – i find it sad tho when they turn out not to be the person we voted for… i guess DC corrupts them quickly
Eli @ 18
Well, Faux Noise is right. If they were talking about 40 years ago. Specter one upped HoJo. He at least switched parties. Specter decided to switch parties sometime before running for DA of Philly.
Joe Max @ 46
Public financing for elections would be absolutely *huge*. The problem is, it disadvantages incumbents, and they’re the ones voting on it.
Cheney bemoaning the hard time Scooter is having.
Cheney on Larry King:
“I don’t recall”
Someone, please check the White House water. There’s an amnesia epidemic.
Darth says….POOR SCOOTER…he has legal bills etc…YEAH RIGHT
Joe Max @ 46
The problem is the MSM’s insatiable appetite for that gravy train! Heck, Political Ads have to account for at least half their income!!!
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 49
Specter’s not a Democrat, he just plays one on TV. When the cameras aren’t rolling, he rubber stamps with the best of them.
Specter’s favorite solution to administration lawbreaking has been to change the laws.
Rootstrapping, what a great term.
Obama was a pioneer at that!
He should be the poster image for it.
It’s working great for him, too, it’s the audacity of his hype!
Sounded like Cheney threw Rumsfeld under the bus. It’s standard for cabinet members to testify before congress, but Rove is not a cabinet member. An offer has been made to offer Rove, which the committee has rejected. Weird…
Eli @ 47
Jonesing for the Smiths’!!! ;-)
Loo Hoo. @ 57
Wait… what?
The Bush administration sure can’t recall much about its decisions.
They took our money, drank our whiskey, screwed our women and voted against us anyway.
Some people call that political courage.
It just never seems to work that way when the giver is A*P*C, NRA, Big Pharma…
What a great post. I especially like the new term “rootstrapping.” Brilliant. We need to create and liberate the language we use to tell more truth — as opposed to the pervasive symbolic lying that’s been such a part of the Bush era. Every time someone creates a great little clarifying term like this it’s like casting a spell to reverse the evil language magick we’ve been ensnared in. Beautiful.
Eli @ 59
I have to hear this again. Hope C&L gets this up.
Here’s a portion of a post by babaloo from back in April that I think might be relevant
Eli,
I love your posts, but I do disagree with you on McNerney. He hasn’t voted every time as I would have wished he would, but so far he has been a bright star here in the wastelands of the great San Joaquin Valley. He has earned my respect and I am not sorry I spent all my weekends from from August through election day campaigning for him.
I don’t think you can look only at one issue and declare him a sell-out.
Just my opinion.
[A voter from his district].
Maybe we should look at their bios — you can usually tell who a person is by seeing what they have done in the past. Shouldn’t be too hard to ferret out if they were among the young republicans in high school or if they volunteered at a soup kitchen in college. That kind of stuff.
The question was posed:
Well, they would not have been elected without us for starters. Even if “undecideds” voted for them there must have been a reason that they picked a lever to pull or {shudder} a part of a screen to touch. We’ve got to jam their feet into the fire every time any single one of them does this. E-mails. Phone calls. Ask the people who voted for them to hold them accountable and make them
rationalizeexplain their votes. Otherwise in 2008 we’ll have a bunch of “Republican Lite” wastes of oxygen in Congress, as well as a group of seriously annoyed progressives who bolted before and got W (s)elected in 2000.Loo Hoo. @ 63
I think he was talking about an “offer” to have Rove meet and “discuss” with the committee but not in public, not under oath, no transcript, no accountability.
Would you make an overt move on Iran?
I’m concerned about Iran, the destruction of Isreal, we’re working diplomatically.
King/Cheney
Eli @ 47
Crap network? Compared to what?
Ooh! Larry didn’t just ask Cheney about Iran, did he??? 8-)
Loo Hoo. @ 69
In other words,,,,,,,,BALH BLAH BLAH
What a loser!
Dan Vera @ 62
Thanks, Dan! I originally planned to post on something completely different (juxtaposition of Drew Westen’s op-ed about the importance of emotional appeals in politics with an NYT science story about how much power our subconscious has over us), but once that word came to me I knew I had to use it…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 21
Please, let’s add verifiable voting… with paper trails and such?
OMG. Larry King: “Do you have to torture them?”
Cheney: “We don’t do torture.”
McNerney – what a disappointment. I want a refund. Not actually, at least Pombo is gone.
Cheney, there are hundred of Al Queda in Guantanamo, where will they go?
Enhanced techniques for interrigation. We can’t tell our adversaries what our techniques are, because then they could train and practice.
Cheney says.. We are not in the business of torturing people.
I guess it’s set up as a not for profit status.
Hey kids, want an O’Hanlon and Pollack approved snack?
-GSD
scout211 (formerly sjvalleygal) @ 65
Admittedly, I am on the outside looking in, but what I’ve heard has not been encouraging. (See john’s comment @64)
GMFORD @ 66
Right GM, that’s what i was trying to get at. Maybe boots on the ground in their districts digging into their pasts. And more vigorous questioning on Howie’s thread?
Marion in Savannah @ 74
Yes, there are so many things to be done. It’s hard to know where to begin. ;0)
Loo Hoo. @ 69
Well, not exactly overt. Some sweat tea, lights down low, a little Barry White, hooka on the coffee table…
Eureka Springs @ 78
Yes, we’ve outsourced that work.
-GSD
neurophius @ 75
Translation: “We don’t call it torture.”
Edelman penned an appropriate response to Hill!!! Help me, my jaw has dropped and I can’t get it up!!! 8-(
Marion in Savannah @ 74
Marion, it doesn’t get any basic than THAT!
Larry said what are you going to do in Feb 09…
I say Darth shoild be in JAIL with a bright orange jumpsuit!
Cheney, I’m totally neutral wrt republican nomination.
Whole new defibrulator, they just plug in a new one. Painless, fantastic technology. No idea what he’ll do in Jan ‘09. Probably would not take a post in a new republican admin.
It’s over in Jan ‘09.
Thank gawd!!!
Eli @ 85
Didn’t he say Congress approved what we do? NO, they banned it and Bush used a signing statement to create loopholes.
wangdangdoodle @ 81
I think that would be helpful – I was only semi-joking about background checks. My only worry is that it might weed out genuinely good candidates who perhaps had a change of heart or maybe just looked suspect for, say, having too much money.
solai @ 90
“When the president does it, it’s not torture.”
CTuttle @ 86
Uhoh…!!!
Cheney: When I said “we” I meant me and George W. personally. We actually have retired Pinochet lackeys using Pot Pot techniques on Doctors we think may possibly have been related to someone who may have been a terrorist.
-GSD
Dan Vera @ 62
Again, welcome Dan!
I’m disappointed in McNerney & Carney, too. But I repeat to myself my old line, which has been my basic rule for all my voting years: above the municipal level, I am always casting negative votes. That is, I’m always voting for someone who is less bad than the alternative. I can’t count the number of times I held my nose and voted for Diane Feinstein, a male moderate Republican disguised as a female Democrat. (Believe me, she has improved a lot over the last 15 years!) I’ve never really loved any of the candidates I voted for in congressional or senatorial races (let alone presidential races). I do feel let down by McNerney, especially, but I have to agree with those who remember Pombo, who was a terrible disgrace.
On the other hand, I don’t want to spend my life voting for compromised candidates. Election finance reform may be our only hope. I would really love to be truly enthusiastic about a national candidate.
Ooh, Wolfie highlighted what I just commented on!!!
Eli @ 73
Oh I hope you’ll do a post about the Westen piece and the powers of the subconscious. Sounds liked it’d be a good discussion.
Blue Dido @ 96
It would be very good if our elected representatives realized and remembered that they were elected not because they were best, but because they were least worst.
Which, incidentally, is probably how you got your job, too ;-).
CTuttle @ 86
Closed door hearing with Senate Armed Services Committee coming, I believe, Thursday. Clinton vs. Edelman.
GSD @ 94
Pol Pot???
Dan Vera @ 98
I’m working on it right now for Multi Medium; I’m afraid it’ll be too stale by the time my Friday FDL slot rolls around.
Loo Hoo. @ 100
I’m sure she’ll speak her mind!!! *g*
Joe Max @ 46
Yupper. That’s why DFA backs http://www.PubliCampaign.org.
GSD @ 94
Or, like Maher Arar, was seen talking outside a computer store about decent printers with someone suspected (but later cleared) of being a affiliated with AQ.
Phoenix Woman @ 104
Lest we forget, the MSM was in the vanguard against ‘McCain-Feingold’!!!
Gordon@99: perhaps that actually *is* how I got my job, though my co-workers have treated me like a queen ever since I arrived, quite a few years ago. But when I was a candidate for it, I didn’t make any promises that I couldn’t fulfill, and I didn’t tell any lies. I think that’s more than a lot of our elected representatives can say.
CTuttle @ 101
Khmer Rouge iirc
Blue Dido @ 107
Well, “least worst” is necessarily an insult!
Loo Hoo. @ 69
Any excuse to move forward his agenda & war profiteering. Israel is not facing destruction by Iran and Ahmadinejad is about as dangerous as Hugo Chavez. But those facts don’t play well for the Swiss bank accounts, do they?
Heh, Hayes justifying his starry-eyed adulation for Cheney!!! ;-)
GordonM @ 99
Well, all I know is I showed up one day 13 years ago for a 1-day temporary gig…
So possibly sometimes employers know quality when they see it?
Should voters expect less???
dakine01 @ 108
Ahso, Bra, ‘The Killing Fields’!!! 8-)
GordonM@109: indeed, “least worst” is necessarily an insult. I didn’t actually use that term. “Less bad” is necessarily an insult, too, though perhaps not as harsh as “least worst.” My real point was, and is, that in 30 years of voting I have never had the chance to vote for somebody, above the municipal level, about whom I was truly enthusiastic. Must log off now.
Speaking about the Department of Justice, “This isn’t Cheney’s portfolio.” Bob Woodward says on Larry the Cable Guy show.
Woodward is either an idiot, or his senility is worse than Larry’s. Of course Cheney has hundreds of OVP poitical operatives talking to DOJ investigators about active cases. This is what Sen. Whitehouse pointed out several times.
If Cheney DID NOT order Gonzo to the hospital, I think he would remember.
Just clicked on your link Eli to babaloo’s post at calitics and the second comment is by sacguy.
For those who don’t know, sacguy, is Assembly Leader Fabian Nunez’ Chief of Staff which confirms that people on the inside, do read what you say
john in sacramento @ 116
Well, they read what babaloo has to say, at any rate.
Although I *did* get quite a few house.gov hits when I posted about McNerney at my place…
If good government is the destination, then public financing of elections is the only highway that will get you there. The way in which elections are financed is the disease. Bad government is the symptom.
Frank33 @ 115
Cheney would have asked himself, “Cheney myself, why didn’t I think of that?!!!”
Marion in Savannah @ 112
Heh. I started out as a night-shift data entry temp and worked my way up from there.
Woodward is a disgrace.
Cheney’s portfolo is whatever he and Bush choose.
Stop lying Booby.
-GSD
Oklahoma kiddo @ 118
Yes; the fundamental problem is that electoral power is measured in dollars instead of votes.
scout211 (formerly sjvalleygal) @ 65
I have agonized the same way, only in reverse, over the treatment given to Sherrod Brown by BlueAmerica.
I don’t have any quibble with the decision to withdraw support from him during his campaign, because people here meant well and were trying their darndest to do the right thing. But when you base support on one moment in time, it can lead to miscues.
Happily, at least for me and his other Democratic constituents, Brown was elected. I’ve been delighted to see him pro-actively diving right into the progressive ranks and working energetically and skilfully with the best of his colleagues in the Senate, just as I thought he would, if only he was given the chance.
When supporting candidates, especially in today’s complicated, supercharged political environment, we can only do our best, and that will always be a moving target.
I vote for honing our skills at choosing those to support, but not giving up on the original aims of the effort.
There are definite rays of hope out there and some good people who have the courage and drive to enter today’s political arena for all the right reasons.
wangdangdoodle @ 87
Spending caps might be nice.
Pol Pot.
-GSD
This has to be a drive-by, because I’m at work. McNerney was at the top of my list of candidates to support last year, but it was as much who he was running against (Pombo– remember him?) as who he was, although that seemed good, too.
In Progressive Score (%), according to Progressive Punch, on All issues McNerney ranks 130/433 in the House, with a score of 86.19. By comparison, my supposedly progressive rep, Neil Abercrombie, with a score of 87.16 on all issues, ranks 118/433, which is better, but not by a lot. In contrast, the most “progressive” Republican has a score of 31.64. Pombo would have been much worse.
I won’t support McNerney like I did before, but he’s so much better than Pombo that I’d cut him some slack.
Boxer is a different issue. Hasn’t she gotten *more* progressive this session than she was in the last session?
Bob in HI
wangdangdoodle @ 81
More vigorous questioning?
I believe I asked several questions of Sherrod Brown and he didn’t answer one of them. He answered some from people who were not in Ohio. I wanted to know if he’d come to our county fair, which was then going on. I have a hard time making my friends and neighbors care about politics, and I thought this would be great if they could meet someone who might be their senator.
I could have understood “No, I have other meetings” but it was hard to understand dead silence. Maybe it was thought to be a stupid question, but I’m starting from “Why should I care, politics doesn’t affect me at all” level.
So, in the future, I will contribute to Vic Wulsin.
And I’ll see who is most responsive to prospective constituents.
Eli @ 120
Dang, I kept committing the fatal error of speaking truth to power! Usually at the most inopportune time! *g*
Blue Dido @ 114
To repectfully disagree, the only difference is that “less bad” is binary since it allows only 2 competitors, while “least worst” allows any number.
And no, it’s not necessarily an insult. If you are “best”, you are automatically “least worst”. My point is really that that is how the choice is usually made, and the thing that politicians should remember is that “least worst” doesn’t necessarily mean “good”.
Bob Schacht @ 126
I’m certainly very glad that we have McNerney in there instead of Pombo, but that doesn’t make it okay for him to turn his back on the people who got him elected.
Breaking:
http://www.theonion.com/conten…..experience
By the way, did anyone notice this amazing sleight of hand.
A week or so ago we were told the “surge” hadn’t even been put in place yet.
This week we find the surge has been successful beyond all neo-con-expectations.
Talk a about a sudden surge.
-GSD
CTuttle @ 128
I have been fortunate enough to be in a workplace where I have license to do that without fear of reprisal.
LS @ 131
Hey, I had that last week!
Eli @ 133
Me too. Bless them.
Eli @ 117
I meant on the larger point that people on the inside do read blogs and comments ;-)
And this is just a guess, but out of the 5,000 some people here (FDL) now, that at least one or two probably have the ear of someone who holds some type of office
wangdangdoodle @ 29
I have little to contribute money-wise – I will have to be more careful with my meagre funds now that I see that the people we have been asked to support here are not we thought and hoped for.
Eli @ 133
Lucky Dog! Much of my work experience is with Uncle Sam’s Army!!!
WWII vets being called up:
http://www.theonion.com/conten…..ans_called
Dang, I kept committing the fatal error of speaking truth to power! Usually at the most inopportune time! *g*
Dang, I know just what you mean, CTuttle. Most often “right” doesn’t seem to be the right thing.
Eli @ 134
Sorry :}
Eli @ 133
Self employed, then?
KathieinMN @ 137
Maybe we need a refund mechanism. Perhaps candidates would be more responsive to their supporters if they had to worry about giving their money back…
I worked for Bill Durston who ran against Lungren. He got in the race a bit late but had a respectable showing considering he had NO money. You wouldn’t see this happening with Bill if he had won. Now there is no one to run against Lungren next time.
And Jerry McNerney was in the district just next door.
Maybe we can get the candidates to sign a money back guarantee. I will work to unseat McNerney.
egregious @ 142
God no. Really, just lucky enough to be someplace where my bosses are open-minded and value what I have to say. Of course, I’m always terribly polite and boyishly charming…
Eli @ 143
What percentage of their campaign funds came through “netroots” sources? Do we know?
Loo Hoo. @ 140
Particularly, at the right time!!! *g*
Frank33 @ 115
I wonder how the phone call to Mrs. Ashcroft ostensibly from Bush can be fit into the Cheney as sender scenario. I suppose it is always possible that Cheney went and talked to Bush, got his OK and commitment to phone the hospital and then went out to Abu and Card to tell them to go coerce a sick man.
Cheney: “I’ll gladly pay you today for a “possible” post tomorrow”
marymccurnin @ 144
I was a big fan of Chuck Pennacchio here in PA; he came to Pittsburgh Drinking Liberally and stuck around for hours talking to everyone. He’s a real mensch, and the Democratic Party wanted nothing to do with him. So now we’ve got Bob Casey Jr., who is just slightly to the left of the Pryor/Nelson group.
Marion in Savannah @ 112
Realistically? Yes. There were probably a whole lot of other temps who showed up and weren’t invited back. As voters, we’re stuck with them for longer than one day.
Seriously, 90 % of the people who go into politics were the C- students you assiduously ignored, because they were PITA who only passed only because they were teacher’s pet. They are not into politics because they want to do good, they’re into politics because they’ve got a talent with people and want more power than a salesperson gets.
GSD @ 132
Good catch!
Comey testified that Mrs. Ashcroft had said Shrub had called her!
GordonM @ 151
A lot of the most disappointing Democrats are really pretty damn smart, tho. Schumer, Hillary, and maybe Biden come to mind right away.
I don’t expect perfection in any candidate I vote for, and who wins. But I do care about the issues a candidate changes his mind on after assuming office. If a candidate presents himself as being against the Iraq war, and begins to adjust his position on this most important and vital issue upon winning the election, I would have to take a very dim view of that action. And if I contributed to that candidates candidacy, I would feel a sense of profound betrayal.
Margot @ 127
so… you wish to be courted…
i’m sorry he missed your fair. how many county fairs are there in Ohio? how many overlap with eachother, not to mention the state fair, which overlaps ours in Medina.
if you’re looking for responsiveness, i suggest you check his voting record, or the number and type of legislative measures he has initiated or co-sponsored during his 1st year in the Senate. Failing that, perhaps you’d be interested in checking his complete voting record in the House before he was elected to the Senate.
Really? Might I make a small suggestion?
Oh, well, never mind…
Breaking News:
Bush appoints Jack Bauer as Torture Czar.
-GSD
Eli @ 143
Is that possible?
GSD @ 132
Wait until you hear the September version!
GSD @ 157
You’re evil, GSD!!! ;-)
Hugh @ 148
Seems like a subpoena for Mrs. Ashcroft is in order, doesn’t it?
LS @ 131
Well, it is, after all, the Onion. Who knew?
Bob in HI
i wonder what pressures are put on reps once they arrive in DC. that knowledge might help us devise a strategy to counter it.
maybe it’s 1/3 vetting (and howie does a fabulous job), 1/3 follow up watching/reporting, and 1/3 a counter strategy we’ve yet to figure out.
KathieinMN @ 158
Well… probably not. Although it could probably be done on a voluntary, honor-system basis.
Check out this story on CNN.com.
US troop deaths down to 73 this month, after three months in the 100 range.
Yet Iraqi military and civilian death tolls are increasing.
So lets see, the surge was supposed to make the situation better for Iraqis.
Sounds like the surge is designed to make the selling of the continued occupation better for Bush.
Also, one helicopter and 2 UAV down in the last two days.
-GSD
selise @ 163
Yeah, I do find myself wondering if this was McNerney and Carney’s plan all along, or if they fully intended to be good progressives but somehow got led astray or intoxicated with power.
selise @ 163
Pressures? My guess would be raising funds for the next election. ;0)
WASHINGTON (AP) — A Senate aide who handled Ted Stevens’ personal bills is cooperating with the Justice Department in a growing corruption probe into the Alaska senator’s dealings with a wealthy contractor.
Barbara Flanders, who serves as a financial clerk for Stevens on the Commerce Committee, testified under subpoena in the past several weeks and provided documents regarding the senator’s bills, according to an attorney in the case.
SNIP
Do all Senators have Financial Clerks?
selise @ 163
But, selise, the voting record is the only thing that really counts.
Eli @ 143
OOOOOOOHHHH, MYYY…. Dayum! What an absolutely wonderful idea… I have no earthly idea how to make it work, but there are enough legal beagles who hang here to ask… Wow. A contract.
“I’ll give you $100 to support your campaign, but if you screw me over about (insert issue here) I get my money back. With interest.”
WOW. This really ought to be pondered by the legal folks to see if there is any way at all to make it work. (Caveat — after the 2008 election, please…)
Loo Hoo. @ 161
Gasp! I’m absolutely positive that the ‘Executive Privilege’ pixie dust will be liberally applied!!! Dang, that shit will soon out pace talcum powder usage, within the beltway!!!
Adie @ 156,
I would be happy to have any suggestions you could give me. People start talking to me in the grocery or the gas station, how high the prices are, who’s going back to Iraq, how they can’t afford medicine, etc.
When I try relate it to voting, it just goes nowhere.
And my question to Sen. Brown was, “Will you be coming to our county fair?” It wasn’t a demand. I realize there are too many fairs to get to even a sliver of them.
I just posted this in the Cheney thread but I see everyone has moved on so I’m posting it here to see if anyone else felt this way. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
I just finished watching the Cheney interview on Larry King. I was yelling at the TV the whole time. I’ll have to review the transcript to find all of the things that got me yelling because I’m too ticked off right now to remember all of them. I know one thing Larry King does not do follow up very well at all. The way he allowed Cheney to lie about what Hiliary requested from the DOD was a travesty. Anyone who read about this story should know he was mischaracterizing her letter.
But the worst part about the show, aside from Mr. Cheney, was the panel of “reporters” at the end. Wolf Blitzer, Suzanne Malveaux, Stephen Hayes & Bob Woodward were pathetic (Malveaux was the best of this sorry bunch). At one point Wolf made the comment that he didn’t know that the VP gets his paycheck from the Senate. Good god, where has this man been. If you don’t even know a basic fact like this no wonder you just pass on the lies from the administration. Woodward made some comment that if Cheney gets paid by the Senate maybe the Senate should look into it or something to that effect. Sorry Bob but that was already suggested quite some time ago. Ahhhhhhhhh…both of them are just CLUELESS. You got the feeling from this panel that they were just there to “rate” Dick Cheney’s appearance on the show for style points, much as they do with the debates. The substance was not really discussed. I would so love to see Cheney interviewed by someone who actually knows the facts and is willing to do follow-up. But of course that will never happen. Sorry for the rambling post but I just have to spew.
Eli @ 154
Kerry’s Yale record competes with W’s for mediocrity.
Jimmy Carter was acknowledged by many to have been the smartest president of modern times. Look where it got him.
Politics is a nasty business, and part of it is because you have to be able to schmooze with people like Trent Lott or George Allen (who probably couldn’t pass an honest 9th grade exam). Why do you have to schmooze with them? Because you have to pick your fights very, very carefully. There’s a NASA satellite that Gore backed that has never been launched and sits in storage at a cost of millions per year, and the only reason for that is because Gore angered enough senators that they swore the thing would never, ever get launched. And it hasn’t. And it won’t ever be.
CTuttle @ 153
nope. here’s the relevant bit from the transcript:
How do we nip rootstrapping in the bud?
We grow our own. We work with our teammates in the field, building cred side-by-side, encourage the best among them to become candidates, and then we fund them.
I’m going to have a very hard time ponying money to any candidate this year because I’m dedicated to helping one such candidate who’s been with me through thick and thin, knocked on the doors in rain and sleet, crunched the numbers on voters and asked for money, gotten rides for volunteers and voters alike, done it all in the field to help real progressives win. And now she’s going to run and she needs my help. I would walk through fire for her because she’s walked the walk all the way; she’s made some very hard decisions and turned away money and resources because they came with strings attached, and yet pulled the extra resources and energy needed out of her own backside to make it happen. She’s not going to stray from the true progressive path.
I’m not going to take the risk with other candidates that I haven’t personally seen do the work, haven’t actually seen their commitment to the cause year after year. And that’s how I’m going to prevent being rootstrapped.
Cheney is covering for Bush who is covering for Rove.
those dems who haven’t lived up to their promises do they get a pass on prog endorsements? how will we keep their feet to the fire? questions questions questions………
Nothing was hidden from the public prior to the 2000 election about the origins of Bush/Cheney wealth (oil). What did voters think they were going to get? Lower gasoline prices.
ccmask @ 168
Hmmm… longest serving Senator… former chair of appropriations… reduced to ranking member… hmmm???
Hey Eli
It’s a shame Chuck was never given a chance given the marquee name of Casey in PA. I got smacked by a progressive friend when I suggested she hold her nose and vote for Casey.
ccmask @ 177
The view here is that they might be covering for each other. ;0)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 179
Abso-freaking-lutely. W said repeatedly that because he was such a$$hole buddies with the Saudis that he could jawbone them into lowering the price of oil.
Rayne @ 176
That sounds good to me, but it sounds like there would need to be some kind of grassroots/netroots resource that would allow a potential contributor check out the grassroots/netroots cred of a candidate in another state or district.
selise @ 175
Mahalo, Selise! You’ll keep me honest!!! *g*
Millineryman @ 181
There’s a very far left Pittsburgh blogger who used it as an argument for backing the Greens. I disagreed, but I see his point.
pmorlan @ 173
That’s all you needed to say. I stopped watching CNN last Jan after she took over for Wolf and came all unglued on Pelosi for going to Syria.
Hey Suzanne, remember some guy named Hastert? or maybe Gingrich? Both of whom went overseas and publicly and directly undermined the President??
Hey, Mrs. Ashcrrrroft,
a nation turns its lonely eyes to you..
Not sure I’ll be able to stop back later, but just in case he doesn’t know, I wanted to let TRex know that Amy Winehouse is playing just down the street from YKos this coming Sunday at Grant Park. She’s part of Lollapalooza and is playing at 2:00 in the afternoon, Sun Aug 5th. Thought he should know…
Rayne @ 176
Home Grown Grass is the Best!!! At least in my neck of the woods!!! ;-)
Eli @ 186
Now I see what happened, Chuck could probably have beaten Santorum too.
CTuttle @ 190
Humboldt?
;)
Tom Tancredo on the campaign hustings says nuking Mecca and Medina is a good deterrent.
-GSD
Will Bill O’Reilly call this hate speech?
GSD @ 165
Who knows, but if I were an Iraki insurgent, I’d be holding back and being like a fish in the sea right now.
wangdangdoodle @ 192
Kona Gold, Puna Butter,etal…!!!
“Will Bill O’Reilly call this hate speech?”
no.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 191
Absolutely. I think Chuck would have kicked his ass even harder, *assuming* he had enough money and backing for PA to know who he was. Using the Casey name was a handy shortcut to name recognition, much like the Bush name and the Schwarzenegger name.
Wow. A contract.
“I’ll give you $100 to support your campaign, but if you screw me over about (insert issue here) I get my money back. With interest.”
WOW. This really ought to be pondered by the legal folks to see if there is any way at all to make it work. (Caveat — after the 2008 election, please…)
NOOOOO! You wouldn’t wanna see GE or Big Pharma able to make their political contributions (officially) contractually enforceable, I would assume.
Bad precedent.
CTuttle @ 190
Finest da kine Bra!
jayt @ 198
Well, if it’s voluntary by the candidates, then they could make it specific to individual donors, maybe even just donors below a certain dollar threshold.
Maybe these are signs that an effective long-term progressive movement should be third-party.
We can caucus with the Dems (for real, not I-Con style), but all the while build a real alternative from the roots up.
My cynical prediction is that when the Dems win the White House back in 08, with a majority in Congress (whether slim or strong), the Washington Insiders will muddle back to the non-existant middle, vote for local pork, and generally leave things intact for the next wave of Republicans.
Any lasting progressive power needs to be institutional.
CTuttle @ 195
Best I ever had in my life was some Puna Buttah! And was far from being the most expensive.
CTuttle @ 185 – next time i will depend on you to remind me. i’m convinced we are smarter when we work together (at least i know i am *g*).
pmorlan @ 173
If we elect idiots to run this country(like the Decider), then we have even bigger idiots in the media. Most of them couldn’t even pass a 9th grade Civics class. It’s so freakin’ sad. Where do they find such idiotic tools?
Eli @ 200
jayt is right. It’s quid pro quo.
jayt @ 199
Very good point. Make it available only to an individual voter, verified by address, phone, whatever. Only human beings could enter into the contract…
TexBets – YGM ;~)
dakine01 @ 199
CW is saying BC Electric is the epitome! Haven’t been able to do a comparison test, tho!!! ;-)
Ed*ard Teller @ 194
I wonder if the troops are spending less time patrolling the streets and more time in their barracks. That is my guess for the discrepancy.
Eli @ 91
Good to worry, but also good to know what the oppo might dig up and use against, no?
GordonM @ 205
It kinda is already…
Here is why Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney and the far right mouth breathers are stupid, stupid, stupid.
2008 is looking alot like 2006.
The further right they go, the more they scare everyone except the 26% bitter enders.
-GSD
ALASKA UPDATE
As Alaska’s old-school GOP machine continues to break apart in mid-air, Alaska’s Democratic Party old-school pols are working every angle in an attempt to leverage the corruption they complained about so little in 2006 into a success in 2008. While Ted Stevens’s wine cellar is being photographed by the FBI, one of Alaska’s behind-the-scenes whiners, old school crony Jake Metcalfe has filed to run against Don Young, Alaska’s at-large member of he US House.
Diane Benson, a solid progressive, who ran against Young in 2006, garnering 42% of the vote on less than 10% of his campaign chest, filed for 2008 about two months ago. Metcalfe, a sort of Polar version of Joe Lieberman, apparently used IBEW funds to fly around the country, while still serving as Chairman of the Alaska Democratic Party, to solicit support for his bid to stand against Benson in the August, 2008 primary.
According to firedoglake.com commenter Big Mitch, “Diane was on the KUDO morning talk show the other day. They asked her if she would jump to another party if she didn’t get the D nomination. She said something other than “No fucking way.” And so today the hostess, Shannyn Moore, is reporting today that Diane will jump ship. When called on it, she said, “well, we had conversations off-mic, too.””
I contacted Diane Benson this evening about Big Mitch’s information. She said the following, and approves this statement:
“I have no interest in leaving the Democratic Party. I think it is a horrible rumor to spread. It is my wish to attract others to the Party. It is going to take some very hard work to build the Party here in Alaska.”
I wish Jake had been doing that – building the Party – last year, when Jake’s organization was unwilling to seriously field a candidate to run against Young, offered no help whatsoever to Benson after she easily won the August 2006 primary. Metcalfe, a corrupt old-school pol who is against impeachment of Bush , Cheney or Gonzalez, needs to learn the same sort of lessons we’re teaching the “Corrupt Bastard’s Club” up here on the other side of the aisle.
wangdangdoodle @ 210
I was more worried about stuff Republicans would see as positives…
dakine01 @ 202
Aaahhhhh, back in the day… hey dakine?
selise @ 203
Most def, Ma’am! Ain’t the Lake grand!!! *g*
Eli @ 211
Well yeah, but the big money can do it without a written contract, so nobody goes to jail.
GSD @ 132
Just wanted to say that is one truly excellent point. I wonder what O’Hanlon and Pollack would have to say about that. Also it is another example of how these Administration clowns live in a pre-blogosphere age where they think no one will notice or remember what they said even a week before. Great catch!
wangdangdoodle @ 215
Well it was over a quarter century ago now that I think on it…
Jayt, thanks for pointing out the HUGE flaw in the “contract” thought. Maybe only human beings should be able to sign contracts! I’m off to the arms of Morpheus, and to dream about what’s for breakfast tomorrow. Sleep well, everyone, with happy dreams.
Eli @ 214
Heh! snnrrrrkkkk (the sound wine makes shooting through the nostrilas)
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 209
Sounds like some of them are camping out in neighborhoods. That could be the reason, however, if they leave, it is like the gum holding the dam back. They can’t stay camped out there forever.
Nice update ET.
wangdangdoodle @ 215
Where it grows, it flows!!! I’ll be back, I’ve an errand to attend to!!!
dakine01 @ 219
Sssshhhhh! Some here still think we’re spring chickens.
I’ll bet Ted Stevens made the same noise when they warned him about the raid. (the sound wine makes shooting through the nostrilas)
CTuttle @ 195
On the beach on the big island in about ‘81, I watched (saliva running) as people cut big mushrooms in half and made peanut butter sandwiches from them. Alas, I couldn’t partake. Something about my traveling companions…
Well, if it’s voluntary by the candidates, then they could make it specific to individual donors, maybe even just donors below a certain dollar threshold.
Voluntary just for Dem’s? Nope. Free speech and equal protection problems. I don’t want to see Repub’s able to justify otherwise unconscionable votes by way of pointing back to a previously signed contract or voluntary promise made to any particular donor. And that doesn’t even begin to address the reality that individual voter/donors tend to have individual and varied priorities – won’t work.
Donations below a certain amount? Still the problem of too many priorities being asserted by individuals – a legal and accounting nightmare.
And what would one do with a small (personal) Republican donor who extracts a promise, donating only a small amount personally, but who also has influence or control of a PAC?
wangdangdoodle @ 225
How do you spell the sound of spring chickens snickering? Cookie dough?
Sweet dreams Miss Marion!
LS @ 229
Most of this spring chicken’s movements involve the sounds “creak” and “pop” as various joints come into play.
What am I missing? Bipartisan public supports med. marijuana. Obvious opposition I see would be strict authoritarians and big pharma.
Public support suggests potential backlash (as in SS “reform”). Is he after Pharma money… strict authoritarian support…. Or???? Could it be some previously undisclosed personal conviction?
jayt @ 228
Oh well, you’re probably right. But I do feel for people who give money they can’t spare, only to get stabbed in the back.
Perhaps a primary candidate could collect some of them for a campaign commercial…
Eli @ 184
To some extent, that’s what DFA’s local apparatus should do when local party isn’t up to the task or has been co-opted. We trained them using Night School and DFA training camps, had already been working on GOTV and canvassing in 2004 race with MoveOn and then migrated to the local party efforts after Howard Dean encouraged Deaniacs to become involved in the party locally. The DFA folks should know their progressive peeps in their own backyards if the local party doesn’t already.
If it were me, I’d be contacting the local DFA folks — but the caveat is that DFA doesn’t have full penetration across the country. What’s the fallback?
SunnyNobility @ 232
Big Pharma would make sense if he’s kissing off the grassroots.
Suzanne @ 231
Hey! I resemble that remark! But what the hell does cookie dough sound like?
Sorry, Jerry, nice knowing ya.
Damn, Eli, this is very very bad news. Carney I’d given up on after his Hate Crimes Bill betrayal — but McNerney? He’s got some ’splaining to do, and soon.
Have to find that “contribution refund request” letter I sent to Carney. Who knew I needed to keep it for a template to send to other Blue Americans????
TRex in da house!
dengre @ 28
To defeat Pombo in the general election, McNerney first had to defeat Filson in the Dem primary, and he did that with an enormous amount of grassroots/netroots help opposing the DCCC’s anointed candidate. That was energy that could have been used somewhere else while still giving the Dems a shot at Pombo, who had the exact same vulnerabilities no matter who challenged him. We supported McNerney because we expected him to be more progressive than Filson if he actually won the office. Have we gotten what we did all that work for? If not, why shouldn’t we have just stayed out of Filson’s way? Obviously we have to take what we can get when it comes to beating Republicans, but WE can pick our battles when it comes to supporting one Dem over another in a primary. Rootstrapping as applied to McNerney means the grassroots help he got in the primary.
Rather than watching out for names ending in “ney” perhaps we should watch out for those whose previous occupation was “CEO”.
none @ 239
Ned Lamont?
Very good point, that not enough people seem to apply to Hillary Clinton.
Eli @ 235
Yeah. If true, it speaks volumes and there’s no explaining it away.
Margot @ 172
Margot. Please pardon my snark earlier. I was out of line, but I am so tired right now, and frankly kinda sick of people picking on Brown. I don’t even know the guy, personally, but I know a lot about his record and his caring attitude and his skills at getting things done. So it touches a nerve when people easily fall into the habit of picking on someone they know nothing about. BlueAmerica support for Brown was “dropped” mid-campaign in response to outcry from some FDLers who objected strenuously his voting for the military appropriations bill(?) in the House, that had had that odious torture amendment added onto it in the dead of night. For the record, as far as I know, Brown promptly returned all the BlueAmerica $$ he had been given, & seemed to bear no grudges. (He’s also been working actively, as co-sponsor of efforts to axe that torture provision, ever since getting into the Senate.)
I don’t know an easy answer to your question about how to get people to vote. That’s one of my constant themes also. Our kids are grown, and we help them reach their friends to make sure they vote also, research candidate info, precinct info – you name it – to try to lure in more and more of the 30-something crowd. Sign petitions. Write congresscritters with kudos as well as brickbats. Letters to the editor…
People are A.N.G.R.Y. And they should be, as well as frightened. I’m mid-60’s, and I don’t ever remember our country, or the world in general, being in as much danger as now, during my lifetime. To have our own government directly responsible for a substantial amount of that danger to us, our kids, everyone else in the world, all the other creatures in the world (pardon: we’re biologists/naturalists), is absolutely excruciating.
One thing I find reaches a lot of people is to tell them I share their anger and frustration.
Tho we’re Democrats, my parents were life-long, proud Republicans – honest, upstanding, fine people. I also tell that to folks, as well as adding that, were they alive today, my parents would be utterly horrified at what their party has become. I would have no words sufficient to explain to them how people in power could be so cruel, greedy, and unfair to others as I am seeing today.
But there are true heroes out there. You can tick them off as well as I: Waxman, Conyers, Leahy, Durbin, Byrd, … (I hate making lists because I forget even better folk, & none of them are perfect, so it’s always easier to snipe than defend.)
From what little I know of Brown’s campaign for Senate, he was absolutely running flat-out, non-stop the whole time, covering the whole state himself, especially in the southern areas which are traditionally Repub. strongholds. I also doubt that he had much staff – just a hunch. It was mostly his own energy, and his use of the ‘net combined with personal touch which did the trick. It’s just impossible to be everywhere all the time, so I’ll hazard a guess your request was lost in the shuffle, since he was on the road almost all the time, and serving diligently as he could in the House.
I would urge you to go to his website. It’s well organized and user-friendly, and much more informative than most. Ask him your questions.
Check with various organizations you have respect for, and see what they say about his voting record. Try again to meet with him.
For heavens sake, stay tuned in here at FDL. I don’t know a better, more reliable place to get reliable commentary, backed up by links to source material to back up claims.
For your friends and acquaintances who are lukewarm about anything political, you might try something that has been surprisingly helpful to me. I got so frustrated by the deaf-dumb-&-blind mainstream media, I started recommending that people with computers check daily with huffingtonpost.com for their news. Much shorter and easy to browse through in a hurry (which obviously not one of FDL’s strongpoints, nor their aim). Then, if a particular topic is handled really well by one of the wonderful posts here at FDL, recommend those as they appear.
I hope this helps a little. Let’s stay in touch, okay? For now, I’ve gotta go konk out for the day… ;->
Eli — impiphany and now rootstrapping — you have clearly found your calling ;)
It’s late in the thread, so most folks have probably already moved on to TRex upstairs, but I just wanted to say vetting will only ever get you so far. And lets face it, people who start off on the right foot, might still find their head’s turned by all the power players in DC once they get there.
The only way to hold “our” candidates accountable is to actively support primary challengers, recruiting them ourselves if necessary. That will be the only way to hold their attention and keep ‘em honest.
Thanks, phred! And I suspect you’re right.
Adie @ 243
Thank you, dear Adie.
I really appreciate your answer.
I’m early-mid-fifties here, and have worked in local doctor’s offices and hospitals, so people recognize me and talk to me. It’s pretty easy to get a conversation going, is what I’m getting at. I’m far from giving up!
That undercurrent of anger is everywhere here. If there is a better job out there, it’s 60 miles a way and gas is so high… There are so many worries.
I’m concentrating on my congressman, sending him polling reports, news articles, and posts from this and other blogs. Bless his heart. We desperately need good Democratic representation in this state; I hope he can win re-election.
Another suggestion — Maybe MoveOn and ActBlue could publicly withdraw their support of candidates who don’t live up to their promises. It might have the added benefit of bringing some of the newly elected back into the fold if they are getting negative press.
I’m sorry, but I’ve gotta call Mitch on this. He spreads a rumor put out by Alaska’s only so-called blue radio station that insinuates that Diane Benson might bolt the Dems if she loses the 2008 Dem primary. Later, he claims he might support her if she meets his unspecified qualifications.
I call the candidate, show her his statement. She says the following in response “I have no interest in leaving the Democratic Party. I think it is a horrible rumor to spread. It is my wish to attract others to the Party. It is going to take some very hard work to build the Party here in Alaska.”
I bring it up at two threads at which Mitch has been very vocal. He apparntly has then disappeared two times now. Before I make my next statement on this Alaska situation, I’ll give Big Mitch a chance to respond…
GSD @ 84
Cheney: Profit…no! It’s done for pleasure! At the President’s pleasure!
testing for return of “f” thingy
We should look a propective candidate ’s background throughly and if they have shown a strong and sound progressive record over time, I think that we could go on that. Newly converts are the ones that we should be extremely weary of.
So the sunnis quit the Iragi parlament and the parlament itself all went on vacation. So no political progress will be made from now until September unless they come back from vacation. And the Blue Dog democrats will vote with the GOP blocking withdrawl date. Is that a fair assumption?
What if the donation was a “loan” and if the politician lives up to his promises, the loan would be forgiven. If not, pay us back!
Look at the candidate in terms of their past, assess from that what they thought was important and how they made their decisions. Make what you find from this enquiry as widely known as possible.