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	<title>Comments on: Cheney Behind Abu&#8217;s Midnight Rendezvous?</title>
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		<title>By: Craig Johnson</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/31/cheney-behind-abus-midnight-rendezvous/#comment-863581</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Thugs With Crosses”&lt;br /&gt;
(Feb. 04 cognitorex blogspot)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thugs in suits,&lt;br /&gt;
wearing crosses,&lt;br /&gt;
speaking Jesus,&lt;br /&gt;
doing trash.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Blood of Inquisitors,&lt;br /&gt;
long cold,&lt;br /&gt;
warms&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thugs in suits,&lt;br /&gt;
wearing crosses,&lt;br /&gt;
speaking Jesus,&lt;br /&gt;
doing trash.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The acting head of the Dept. of Justice and the FBI say to Cheney and his thugs that what they are proposing is illegal and they will not sign off or go along with it.&lt;br /&gt;
To which the Cheney’ White House responds by seeking a signature from Ashcroft who is at that time not legally capable of approving anything by dint of drugs, physical condition, signed authority transition documents and hospitalization laws in general.&lt;br /&gt;
In other words, despite the fact that heads of departments openly declared the Cheney’ thugs intents to be illegal, Cheney and his ethically deficient bed side errand boys were willing to proceed to end run the constitution with a non-binding signature of a non-serving Attorney General.&lt;br /&gt;
The goal of the bed side foray had no legal merit. These guys are mad blind morally and ethically. They are out of control.&lt;br /&gt;
Bastille Day,&lt;br /&gt;
Bastille Day,&lt;br /&gt;
Bastille Day,&lt;br /&gt;
puke!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Thugs With Crosses”<br />
(Feb. 04 cognitorex blogspot)</p>
<p>Thugs in suits,<br />
wearing crosses,<br />
speaking Jesus,<br />
doing trash.</p>
<p>Blood of Inquisitors,<br />
long cold,<br />
warms</p>
<p>Thugs in suits,<br />
wearing crosses,<br />
speaking Jesus,<br />
doing trash.</p>
<p>The acting head of the Dept. of Justice and the FBI say to Cheney and his thugs that what they are proposing is illegal and they will not sign off or go along with it.<br />
To which the Cheney’ White House responds by seeking a signature from Ashcroft who is at that time not legally capable of approving anything by dint of drugs, physical condition, signed authority transition documents and hospitalization laws in general.<br />
In other words, despite the fact that heads of departments openly declared the Cheney’ thugs intents to be illegal, Cheney and his ethically deficient bed side errand boys were willing to proceed to end run the constitution with a non-binding signature of a non-serving Attorney General.<br />
The goal of the bed side foray had no legal merit. These guys are mad blind morally and ethically. They are out of control.<br />
Bastille Day,<br />
Bastille Day,<br />
Bastille Day,<br />
puke!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/31/cheney-behind-abus-midnight-rendezvous/#comment-863500</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 12:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;AG “On the President’s behalf”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: pmorlan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/31/cheney-behind-abus-midnight-rendezvous/#comment-862806</link>
		<dc:creator>pmorlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 02:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just finished watching the Cheney interview on Larry King. I was yelling at the TV the whole time. I’ll have to review the transcript to find all of the things that got me yelling because I’m too ticked off right now to remember all of them. I know one thing Larry King does not do follow up very well at all. The way he allowed Cheney to lie about what Hiliary requested from the DOD was a travesty. Anyone who read about this story should know he was mischaracterizing her letter. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the worst part about the show, aside from Mr. Cheney, was the panel of “reporters” at the end. Wolf Blitzer, Suzanne Malveaux, Stephen Hayes &amp; Bob Woodward were pathetic (Malveaux was the best of this sorry bunch). At one point Wolf made the comment that he didn’t know that the VP gets his paycheck from the Senate. Good god, where has this man been. If you don’t even know a basic fact like this no wonder you just pass on the lies from the administration. Woodward made some comment that if Cheney gets paid by the Senate maybe the Senate should look into it or something to that effect. Sorry Bob but that was already suggested quite some time ago. Ahhhhhhhhh…both of them are just CLUELESS. You got the feeling from this panel that they were just there to “rate” Dick Cheney’s appearance on the show for style points, much as they do with the debates. The substance was not really discussed. I would so love to see Cheney interviewed by someone who actually knows the facts and is willing to do follow-up. But of course that will never happen. Sorry for the rambling post but I just have to spew.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished watching the Cheney interview on Larry King. I was yelling at the TV the whole time. I’ll have to review the transcript to find all of the things that got me yelling because I’m too ticked off right now to remember all of them. I know one thing Larry King does not do follow up very well at all. The way he allowed Cheney to lie about what Hiliary requested from the DOD was a travesty. Anyone who read about this story should know he was mischaracterizing her letter. </p>
<p>But the worst part about the show, aside from Mr. Cheney, was the panel of “reporters” at the end. Wolf Blitzer, Suzanne Malveaux, Stephen Hayes &amp; Bob Woodward were pathetic (Malveaux was the best of this sorry bunch). At one point Wolf made the comment that he didn’t know that the VP gets his paycheck from the Senate. Good god, where has this man been. If you don’t even know a basic fact like this no wonder you just pass on the lies from the administration. Woodward made some comment that if Cheney gets paid by the Senate maybe the Senate should look into it or something to that effect. Sorry Bob but that was already suggested quite some time ago. Ahhhhhhhhh…both of them are just CLUELESS. You got the feeling from this panel that they were just there to “rate” Dick Cheney’s appearance on the show for style points, much as they do with the debates. The substance was not really discussed. I would so love to see Cheney interviewed by someone who actually knows the facts and is willing to do follow-up. But of course that will never happen. Sorry for the rambling post but I just have to spew.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=942&quot;&gt;ANOTHER GONZO BOMBSHELL: ALBERTO BYPASSED A SICK ASHCROFT FOR JOHN MITCHELL&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Clausen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/31/cheney-behind-abus-midnight-rendezvous/#comment-862415</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Clausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have got a bad feeling about this RECESS.&lt;br /&gt;
Could the netroots push this at Kos to ensure that Congress does not recess?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have got a bad feeling about this RECESS.<br />
Could the netroots push this at Kos to ensure that Congress does not recess?</p>
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		<title>By: Boston1775</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/31/cheney-behind-abus-midnight-rendezvous/#comment-862367</link>
		<dc:creator>Boston1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LS,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the April hearing, soldiers testify that they were forced to not talk about Tillman’s death, not even tell his brother, Kevin, who was in the same unit as his brother.  Kevin had been sent one way, Pat the other.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I tend to fall on the side that this was raven’s description as a “clusterfx8kx” and I see it as these arrogant sociopaths in the White House who decided to SPIN IT!  *genuinely nauseous*.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LS,</p>
<p>In the April hearing, soldiers testify that they were forced to not talk about Tillman’s death, not even tell his brother, Kevin, who was in the same unit as his brother.  Kevin had been sent one way, Pat the other.</p>
<p>I tend to fall on the side that this was raven’s description as a “clusterfx8kx” and I see it as these arrogant sociopaths in the White House who decided to SPIN IT!  *genuinely nauseous*.</p>
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		<title>By: behindthefall</title>
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		<dc:creator>behindthefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-862179&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Brisingamen @ 84&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-862167&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;raven @ 73&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;EPU&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a&gt;N&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_bill_per_070730_was_pat_tillman_murd.htm&quot;&gt;Nam Vet on Tillman&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oooffff. This was what I was trying to say on the prior thread. He’s a lot blunter about it than I was… (and I was getting queasy just thinking about what finding a ’shot group’ implied.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, brother.  Well, that changed my idea of how ‘auto’ shots land on a live body.  Sounds like the Army doctor knew this, too.  Probably had had more than a little experience.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-862179"><em>Brisingamen @ 84</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-862167"><em>raven @ 73</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>EPU</p>
<p><a>N</a><a href="http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_bill_per_070730_was_pat_tillman_murd.htm">Nam Vet on Tillman</a></p>
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<p>Oooffff. This was what I was trying to say on the prior thread. He’s a lot blunter about it than I was… (and I was getting queasy just thinking about what finding a ’shot group’ implied.)</p>
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<p>Oh, brother.  Well, that changed my idea of how ‘auto’ shots land on a live body.  Sounds like the Army doctor knew this, too.  Probably had had more than a little experience.</p>
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		<title>By: john in sacramento</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/31/cheney-behind-abus-midnight-rendezvous/#comment-862337</link>
		<dc:creator>john in sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-862171&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;looseheadprop @ 76&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-862158&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;pseudonymous in nc @ 65&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This bullshit about FISA warrants being too cumbersome is jsut that, bullshit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You can tap first and warrant after in emergency situation. Judges hold warrant application hearings in the middle of the night in their jammies&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cumbersome my ass!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s just that they don’t want to have to meet a probabale cause standard because the Regent U grads are too fucking stupid to figure out how to write a competent affidavit!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No effing way. They want to legalise what they’ve done &lt;i&gt;post hoc&lt;/i&gt;, so that their asses are covered when the dirt comes out. They are deeply, deeply worried about this, hence the rollout of Chertoff’s Gut Alert and the combined efforts of Bush and Abu G to push FISA ‘reform’.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The “program” is complete BS. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They can surveil anyone, anything, anytime they want (the terrorists) — as long as they are overseas, one example is this: what they used to do is surveil people in Britain, and Britain would surveil Americans and then they would just share the info with one another, but the Bushies are lazy and paranoid and didn’t want to go that route — Downing Street Memo anyone? — and because they know that what they are doing now is blatantly against, not only the law, but the Constitution and they don’t want to take the chance of someone with a conscience or someone they can’t touch — like a British government minister or parliament member — blowing the lid off their illegal “program”. If they’re after terrorists why wouldn’t they continue this agreement with the British?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They already use programs like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm&quot;&gt;Echelon&lt;/a&gt; to intercept communications from suspected terrorists like what they use at &lt;a href=&quot;http://cndyorks.gn.apc.org/mhs/&quot;&gt;Menwith Hill&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They don’t want oversight from something silly like judicial review (FISC) because that would reveal who/m they are surveiling. And one of the ways they’re doing an end run is using corporations like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/&quot;&gt;ATT to set up their data mining programs&lt;/a&gt; to see and hear what political opponents are saying.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ss8.com/li.php&quot;&gt;This program&lt;/a&gt; has capabilities for 100 million wiretaps in the US and 500 million worldwide. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politechbot.com/2007/07/11/dea-key-logger/&quot;&gt;This is story about a key stroke logger&lt;/a&gt;, which logs what is typed in real time. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The technology &lt;i&gt;is there&lt;/i&gt; for them to use, and they &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; using it. But what they desire more than anything is for it to be legal, and not only that, retroactively legal. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Congress goes along with “reforming” FISA, they might as well have some ceremony where Bush, Cheney, Reid and Pelosi take out one of the original drafts of the Constitution and set it on fire because that is what they are doing in real life&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-862171"><em>looseheadprop @ 76</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-862158"><em>pseudonymous in nc @ 65</em></a></p>
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<p>This bullshit about FISA warrants being too cumbersome is jsut that, bullshit.</p>
<p>You can tap first and warrant after in emergency situation. Judges hold warrant application hearings in the middle of the night in their jammies</p>
<p>Cumbersome my ass!</p>
<p>It’s just that they don’t want to have to meet a probabale cause standard because the Regent U grads are too fucking stupid to figure out how to write a competent affidavit!!</p>
<p>No effing way. They want to legalise what they’ve done <i>post hoc</i>, so that their asses are covered when the dirt comes out. They are deeply, deeply worried about this, hence the rollout of Chertoff’s Gut Alert and the combined efforts of Bush and Abu G to push FISA ‘reform’.</p>
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<p>The “program” is complete BS. </p>
<p>They can surveil anyone, anything, anytime they want (the terrorists) — as long as they are overseas, one example is this: what they used to do is surveil people in Britain, and Britain would surveil Americans and then they would just share the info with one another, but the Bushies are lazy and paranoid and didn’t want to go that route — Downing Street Memo anyone? — and because they know that what they are doing now is blatantly against, not only the law, but the Constitution and they don’t want to take the chance of someone with a conscience or someone they can’t touch — like a British government minister or parliament member — blowing the lid off their illegal “program”. If they’re after terrorists why wouldn’t they continue this agreement with the British?</p>
<p>They already use programs like <a href="http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm">Echelon</a> to intercept communications from suspected terrorists like what they use at <a href="http://cndyorks.gn.apc.org/mhs/">Menwith Hill</a></p>
<p>They don’t want oversight from something silly like judicial review (FISC) because that would reveal who/m they are surveiling. And one of the ways they’re doing an end run is using corporations like <a href="http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/">ATT to set up their data mining programs</a> to see and hear what political opponents are saying.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ss8.com/li.php">This program</a> has capabilities for 100 million wiretaps in the US and 500 million worldwide. <a href="http://www.politechbot.com/2007/07/11/dea-key-logger/">This is story about a key stroke logger</a>, which logs what is typed in real time. </p>
<p>The technology <i>is there</i> for them to use, and they <i>are</i> using it. But what they desire more than anything is for it to be legal, and not only that, retroactively legal. </p>
<p>If Congress goes along with “reforming” FISA, they might as well have some ceremony where Bush, Cheney, Reid and Pelosi take out one of the original drafts of the Constitution and set it on fire because that is what they are doing in real life</p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-862268&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Boston1775 @ 160&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;LS,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why did they burn his uniform, you ask.  And I’ll continue, why did they burn his diary?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I surely don’t know - but if you go to the ESPN series, a soldier says that that is common.  You can’t hold onto blood soaked items for health purposes.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let’s say that’s true; bloodsoaked uniforms are burned.  Why not just say that?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s another question: Why make his whole death scene up when you have a kid who has said from the very beginning that Pat Tillman saved his life?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He testified that when he wrote up what happened, someone altered it.  Maybe he was threatened.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-862268"><em>Boston1775 @ 160</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>LS,</p>
<p>Why did they burn his uniform, you ask.  And I’ll continue, why did they burn his diary?</p>
<p>I surely don’t know &#8211; but if you go to the ESPN series, a soldier says that that is common.  You can’t hold onto blood soaked items for health purposes.  </p>
<p>Let’s say that’s true; bloodsoaked uniforms are burned.  Why not just say that?  </p>
<p>Here’s another question: Why make his whole death scene up when you have a kid who has said from the very beginning that Pat Tillman saved his life?</p>
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<p>He testified that when he wrote up what happened, someone altered it.  Maybe he was threatened.</p>
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		<title>By: cancer_cures</title>
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		<dc:creator>cancer_cures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-862255&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Fred Garvin @ 148&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Vote fraud doesn’t happen when Democrats win, only when they lose.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is a serious problem that needs to be addressed. Thieves who cheat their way into office need to be stopped no matter what party affiliation. What is needed are electronic voting machines to be fixed or removed. There is a lot of people advocating this. Where I get my intel on this is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blackboxvoting.org&quot;&gt; blackboxvoting.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t doubt at all the the election process was broken in 2004. Too many indescrepencies to be considered ‘fair’. I will not say ‘the republicans stole it’ because it is unfair and isolated incidences do not reveal an entire GOP conspiracy. But when you see the actual numbers reported, and the errors that exist (like 6000 additional votes for a candidate in a city with only 400 registered voters), you know there is a problem.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-862255"><em>Fred Garvin @ 148</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Vote fraud doesn’t happen when Democrats win, only when they lose.</p>
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<p>This is a serious problem that needs to be addressed. Thieves who cheat their way into office need to be stopped no matter what party affiliation. What is needed are electronic voting machines to be fixed or removed. There is a lot of people advocating this. Where I get my intel on this is <a href="http://www.blackboxvoting.org"> blackboxvoting.org</a></p>
<p>I don’t doubt at all the the election process was broken in 2004. Too many indescrepencies to be considered ‘fair’. I will not say ‘the republicans stole it’ because it is unfair and isolated incidences do not reveal an entire GOP conspiracy. But when you see the actual numbers reported, and the errors that exist (like 6000 additional votes for a candidate in a city with only 400 registered voters), you know there is a problem.</p>
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