During the YouTube debate on CNN, there was a moment from John Edwards, that was as compassionate as it was fiery, regarding a 51 year old Virginia man who had lived his entire life until the age of 50 unable to speak due to a cleft palate. Edwards had met James Lowe on his tour to highlight poverty issues across the heartland of America at a stop in Wise, Virginia (YouTube).
The fact that this man only got this life-altering operation when a benefactor stepped in to help him after living fifty years without being able to speak breaks my heart…and it should be an object lesson in how our current system is geared.
Imagine for a moment what this must have been like for this man as a child growing up. The teasing, the taunts, the nastiness…and then he had to live with it for 50 years until someone stepped in to help give him a voice. Imagine what that first word must have felt like for him…and try not to weep. There is something wrong with us as a nation if this does not matter enough to us to think about a better way than what we are doing now.
I followed along with the Edwards’ poverty tour across America vicariously through the YouTubes and audio clips. There are some great YouTube clips from places as far apart as New Orleans to Youngstown, Ohio, and a whole lot in between, that are worth the watching. And not for John Edwards so much as for the very real people with whom he is speaking — you see a lot of what life can throw at you through their eyes.
Poverty is an enormous issue in this country. The divide between the have a lots and the have very littles is widening.
Recent Census estimates reveal that the population percentage considered severely poor has reached a 32-year high. Between 2000 and 2005, the percent living at half of poverty-level income increased by 26%. The descent into destitution spares no community or group in society. America’s urban, suburban and rural communities are all witnesses to the growth of what adds up to the “abject poor.”
The abjectly poor in America are individuals living on $5,250 a year. For a family of three, two adults and a child, the level of income is $6,922; for a family of four, $10,222. This level of poverty in comparative terms is only slightly above the poverty line originally set in the 1960s and affords a person little more than food and shelter….
Even more sobering is the fact that the number of severely poor is growing rapidly. In 1975 the severely poor were 30% of the population in poverty. Today a dismaying 43% of persons in poverty are severely poor by national standards. But more embarrassing than the share of the poverty population truly poor is the increase in the number of persons descending into severe poverty. While the rate of new entrants moving into poverty is somewhat stable, those who are becoming truly poor are increasing at a rate 56% higher than the growth rate of new entrants into poverty.
No demographic is immune to its reach. The severely poor are more likely to be of working age than young or old, though a large share of the truly poor are children under seventeen. The largest number of abjectly poor are white (two times as many as blacks), but blacks and Hispanics are disproportionately likely to be most affected. Women, the prime target of welfare reform, on a proportionate basis are one third more likely to face deep poverty than men….
After Katrina hit our shores, I so hoped that this would be a moment of reckoning and that poverty would, for once, become the centerpiece issue that it needs to be. Alas, it was a good prop for television cameras for a couple of weeks, and it has receded into the background again.
Except with the Edwards campaign. But what has the media focus been on Edwards? Fluff and cancer.
Here’s a news flash: John Edwards has made a lot of money in his lifetime. He was a trial lawyer who took plaintiff’s cases and was very, very good at what he did. I like to think of it as responsible corporate accountability by proxy. They live in a very large house — built with money they earned over a lifetime for a family that may again experience a loss. Want to know what I think about that? Good for them and it’s none of my business. (Same goes for any of the other candidates houses because, let’s be honest, just about all of them have shitloads of money. Let’s not fool ourselves.)
Haircut? Don’t gave a crap. Anyone who is involved in a public relations business, including each and every political pundit out there who mocked the haircut, is slathered with mondo-expensive face creams, gets regular facials, has a make-up artist on call and sits in the chair getting foil highlights. Including the male pundits. It’s called television. To pretend otherwise is to be a disingenuous liar — and they all know it, even the wingnuts — who…news flash…do it, too.
There have been a recent spate of news articles about Elizabeth Edwards’ fight against her stage four breast cancer and its effects on her family and the campaign. One recent one in the Wall Street Journal highlighted the juggling act that Mrs. Edwards is doing between her medical concerns, treatments, family considerations and the campaign trail — with Elizabeth saying that she doesn’t want to talk about dying, she wants to talk about all the things that need to be done now, and then the reporter chasing down a quote from someone else about the possibility that her cancer may win sooner than she would like.
It is her reality, but it is a bit ghoulish to constantly be throwing it in her face and that of her family — especially when Elizabeth’s cancer is the only positive thing that media types seem to be throwing at the Edwards’ campaign these days. (And how is that for a media irony — cancer as a plus?) That’s just downright weird, especially knowing that John Edwards has a very solid lead at the moment in Iowa — with both Clinton and Obama losing ground as of the last polling there, and Bill Richardson moving up a bit.
I had read the WSJ article several days ago, but hadn’t written about it because, frankly, it seems like piling on to go through this issue again. But then today, another one cropped up in the WaPo, and I felt the need to say something. Look, I’ve read Elizabeth’s book, even did a review of it — and the story of heartache and loss and the battle against cancer is certainly interwoven in both their lives. It has shaped who they are and what they stand for as surely as my personal battles through the years have shaped me and the way your battles have shaped you.
But it is what we do once we get past the hurdles that get thrown in our path that matters. Focusing solely on the hurdles is a convenient means of ignoring the work that goes into topping them — or the helping hand that may have been extended to other folks who may be trying to top them as well.
Can we grow up in American politics just this once and put our eye on the real ball?
The infotainment, personal story of triumph over tragedy, biographical sketches are fabulous, sure, because Elizabeth Edwards has an amazing story to tell. But for my money, the most interesting part of the whole thing is what she and John Edwards have done with their grief: they didn’t curl up in a little ball and recede from the world, they threw themselves back into the world in their son’s name. They opened a computer center at Wade’s high school so that disadvantaged kids would have a place to do their homework with some tutorial help that they weren’t going to get at home. They opened a poverty center in North Carolina that has been working with scholarships and other means of advancing higher education for the rural poor.
And they have kept the painful topic of poverty in America on the table when so many other politicians just sweep it under the rug.
Poverty doesn’t poll well as an issue. Most people would rather not think about what they aren’t doing to help the least of these in our communities. And there are a whole host of folks out there who think people are poor because they are lazy. Although certainly personal responsibility can be a factor in moving out of poverty as much as some serious hard work and a little luck can be a help…but a health crisis without any health insurance, being born to parents who are drug or alcohol addicts, being sexually abused as a child or having a job that suddenly downsizes you to living in your car can also come into play, and where do you assess fault for any of those?
There but for the grace of God go us all. And we all do well to remember it. True compassion isn’t pointing a finger and assessing blame, it is looking the mistakes that we are making square in the face, rolling up our sleeves and saying how can we do better and how can we help get us there. To help all of us get to higher ground, not just a privileged few, because that is the right thing, the decent thing, the compassionate thing to do. More of that, please.
PS — And a happy anniversary to John and Elizabeth Edwards today.
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Christy!
IIRC, they always go to a favorite fast-food restaurant (I forget which one) to celebrate their anniversary.
Zedediah! Nope Biodun got it first!
I didn’t know John and Elizabeth Edwards’ anniversary was so close to ours (which is on Wednesday).
Sorry to be OT so soon – just got off the phone with Harry Reid’s office – staff is aware of no plan to open the Senate, or any other measure designed to stop recess appointments from occurring during August.
If this doesn’t say third world country, I don’t know what does.
AnnieW at 6 — Watch the YouTube from Wise Virginia above. It is so heartbreaking and, at the same time, Mr. Lowe is such a clearly lovely human being. Really touching moment.
The more things progress, the more I hope John Edwards wins. I think he offers the best chance for change. To get this country back on the right track.
jayt @ 5
Ugh!!!
The divide between the rich and the poor is widening quite rapidly, especially as more of the middle class fall into poverty, a process that begun during the eight years of the Reagan administration. There is also a widening gap between the very rich and merely rich.
It seems to me Edwards is genuine when he talks about poverty. His “Two-Americas” campaign in 2004 was quite authentic, IMO. I’m leaning toward Edwards in the primary, but I’ll support whoever is the Dem nominee. I have never voted for any Repug, local or national, in my voting life.
I also called Leahy’s office – staff there is not aware that the Senator, like Arlen, is to be “read into” the spying program. I suggested that he demand his right to the same info as Specter gets – I may be getting a call back on that one.
Again, sorry for the OT’s and drive-by – I gotta run.
Thank you Christy for your beautiful compassionate voice.
Christy, I didn’t see the debate, so this is the first I’ve heard the story of the man unable to speak. This in the arguably wealthiest nation in the world.
Finally being able to speak after 50 years. You know, that’s a powerful metaphor for all of us in that.
And btw? Congress is poised to receive an automatic “cost-of-living” increase of more than $4,000, bringing them to $170,000 each per year.
Remember that old John Houseman commercial for Smith Barney? “They do it the old-fashioned way. They earnnnnn it.” Just sayin’.
Biodun @ 2
It’s a Wendy’s in Chapel Hill.
Happy Anniversary John and Elizabeth.
Poverty is the issue whose name cannot be spoken without guilt yet the MSM does everything it can to deflect attention from it.
Thanks for posting on this Christy. I believe John is the real deal on this issue and his poverty tour is a great example of leadership on the issue.
Thanks for the excellent post, Christy.
I also wonder how many people are just one accident or illness away from destitution? I’d be interested to see how many people in this country aren’t classified as poor, but are living paycheck to paycheck.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 7
It is touching and heartfelt. One of the charities I like is Smile Train When you see the recipients, you think of poor children in Bangladesh. I didn’t ever think of a 50 year old man in the US needing this kind of assistance and it enrages and saddens me.
That’s what I meant about third world…the type that cannot afford to give even basic care to it’s population.
And education is the only way to break the abject cycle of poverty, and also to get out of the ghetto. But to get that education, to get just that bachelor’s, is the question, which depends on a whole other array of social, economic, and even political issues.
Thunderbird @ 15
Minimum wage is now $5.85 an hour or $12,168 a year for those “lucky” enough to have 40-hour-a-week employment. HHS poverty guidelines for 2007 show the poverty “cutoff” at $10,210 for one individual.
Happy Anniversary to John and Elizabeth…may they grow very old and grey together.
And thank you for this dynamite post, Christy. You’re absolutely right that the tarted-up and dumbed-down [thank you Mr. Rather!] MSM loves to trivialize. Just today, you-know-who’s cleavage, for example.
But I wanted to fling something at the tv screen listening to the chirpy hottie-of-the-moment from MSNBC talk about how great the economy is doing. What planet are these folks living on?
Here in Fargo, there’s a crying need for more homeless shelter space. Families are tapping the resources of food banks like never before. Ah, but more people are employed, says she, than ever before. #1–we have more people than ever before!. #2–who’s counting the people who have dropped off the rolls because they’ve given up, or they’re under-employed, stressed and strained as couples or single parents trying to make lives for their kids, struggling with education systems that …..
well, you see, Christy and pups, this hits a raw nerve with me. The injustice the haves-a-lots are doing to the rest of America isn’t just measured in the 22 months of duty in Iraq National Guardsmen are serving, the returns over and over and over with little rest, worn down, maybe not as careful as the earlier tours…. And the veterans coming back wounded in body and spirit. Who will be accountable for them?
John Edwards will. He’s already shown his priorities. The shallow media have, as well. To their shame.
Biodun @ 10
My dearly departed gramps saw this coming almost 30 years ago. He worked for NYC. I remember him telling me that the rich wanted to squeeze out the middle class and that the middle class is what kept this country together. He said that if the middle class disappeared, that a revolution would follow. I wondered how close he thought we were to one.
Poverty is not very traction-worthy because of decades of GOP memesmanship that turns poverty into a disease of laziness. It conjures images of the (totally made up) “welfare queen” driving a caddie.
People DON’T think that they can fall into poverty. They don’t WANT to believe it will happen to them. They whistle past the graveyard of other people’s broken lives and believe that that is just “they” and they’re not part of the they.
I support the Edwards campaign at the moment more than any other. I wont get to choose the candidate for the Dem nomination because that will be decided long before it gets to my midwest state. I DO really hope for a solid win for Edwards AND a closer race between Obama, Clinton, and Richardson to give Richardson’s campaign added vigor. I don’t WANT a fait accompli by the end of the first, or even second or third caucus. I want the ideas to fight it out and for the good memes of the Edwards and Richardson AND Kucinich AND Gravel campaigns to get more play and light.
One thing I do know. I will NOT simply vote for whatever Dem the nominee turns out to be. I will NOT vote for Hillary. Period. I wont vote GOP (or Nader) but I will NOT vote for Hillary. I’d rather abstain than go with her.
Poverty is one of my foremost issues. Being poor means being afraid most of the time. Afraid you can’t pay the rent, afraid of the heating and phone bills, afraid one of the kids will get sick. It’s a life where a flat tire is a major financial disaster. You live at a “level red alert” most of the time, and nobody seems to notice or care.
christy-
article this am in wapo about the former surgeon general’s report linking poverty and health that was stifled by the bush administration………..http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01420.html
Go CHS. Senator Edwards and Elizabeth are simply amazing, and it is true that they have tried hard to keep poverty issues in the spotlight. Not a great deal for them to personally benefit from this focus except to expose that these are two truely compassionate individuals. This willingness to focus on those in the shadows may also have the added benefit of encouraging the down trodden, disenfranchised and extremely discouraged to vote and get involved after they get off work from their two jobs at minimum wage.
Former Senator Edwards and Elizabeth are incredible examples of unbelievable strength and compassion. Thanks for reminding us.
Edwards on the Diane Rehm show several months ago.
http://wamu.org/programs/dr/07/02/06.php#13095
Elizabeth was on the Rehm show some time ago and her words, strength and life are an inspiration. Could not find the show
This Iowa Boy has been a fan of Edwards because we here in rural America see the poverty issues day and day out.
As a scholar the Great Depression is my specialty because my parents were raised poor in the 1930’s. EVERYONE was poor and it seemed that everyone had compassion. FDR gave them hope and dignity through the CCC and other programs.
Is there two Americas? You bet.
Great post Christy.
I would like to see former Senator Edwards as Secretary of Labor where he could focus all his energy on correcting the multitude of wrongs our labor force endures while making obscene profits for the fat cats.
Prairie Sunshine @ 19
Speaking of the media, MY and the weekend posters at Ezra’s place point us to this:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc…..cans-media
An interesting article indeed. He looks at why the public hates the media. And it’s from 10 years ago!!
Sunshine,
I received an e-mail from a coworker who gets “breaking” news alerts. He forwarded the e-mail he got from them when the stock market topped 14,000. He included the phrase “Great News!”
I sent back a reply, saying: “Yeah it’s great news…for someone else. All it tells me is that somebody’s getting rich, but it ain’t me.”
I supported Edwards in the last primary, will do so again in this one.
I also find it amusing that he attacked for being wealthy…as if he’s the only candidate that doesn’t live paycheck to paycheck.
Re: education getting one out of poverty:
The example of John Edwards:
My bold.
The gap is there for all of us to see. It’s just that too many middle class (and on up the SES scale) Americans get freaked out by poor people.
Look, most of us are just one non-reimbursed medical crisis away from poverty. It’s time we all grew up and spent a fair amount of time examining what doesn’t work in the US. “Our way of life” increasingly doesn’t work for many Americans, perhaps a majority.
Pray, visualize whatever you do to connect with God, the Force, the Great Spirit in regard to Elizabeth Edwards health and well being.
FYI, video footage from Memphis can be found here.
The Bush/Cheney Administration and the Republican Party are a cancer on the American body politic, that has metastastized into forms that threaten the survival of our country and our planet.
Why doesn’t the MSM talk about that cancer?
The reason the media and pundits are so vicious to JE is that they are scared shitless that if he gets the nomination he will will and will start to strip them of their control over communication in this country. It’s the same thing with Gore. He understands how destructive the MSM has been and will do something about it.
Actually, a better way out of poverty is to revitalize the unions.
Education, particulary higher ed, may NOT be the path out of poverty. Did you know you’re MORE LIKELY to be poor with a BA than be a HS grad with a union card? (see Department of Labor Statistics) Particularly, with the shift in federal aid from grants to loans, many college grads hover on the brink of financial disaster for years and years.
And under a different administration Katrina might have turned into a teachable moment for this country. Those folks you all saw on your tv screen stayed because they had to, America- anyone w/the money & means to do so left for higher ground.
As long ago as Chaucer’s writing the condition of poverty has been recognized as “scatheful” & excoriating. There are leaders like Eleanor & Franklin Roosevelt who grew up wealthy, yet come to understand what poverty is & does & who work against its effects.
And there are those who come to power in this country, like the shameful members of the Bush family & BushCo, who do not & never would see a reason to turn the painful images of Katrina into a teachable moment…
Christy,
Thanks so much for writing this post. It’s as if you’ve been reading my mind. What a terrific way to honor John & Elizabeth as they celebrate their union today.
You and the other posters here continue to do the media’s job for them.
The MSM coverage of JRE with its focus on fluff instead of issues has been galling. Their trend with him and even other Dems (e.g., the cleavage and the Hilary-Obama dustup) has been about anything but the issues….and poverty has been last on the list.
The NYT/WaPo can mention the Edwards’ house (which is always misrepresented as 28,000 sq.ft. — that’s actually the total of c. seven different buildings on the property) but at the same time, they glorify the “new Gilded Age” and the excesses of hedge fund managers.
When Lindsey Graham crowed recently about the reenlistment rate in the military, I thought to myself…you jackass. It’s about the money. There are tremendous financial incentives to reupping when serving in a war zone.
John from his rural background and Elizabeth from hers as a military brat know there is growing poverty in both spheres of this country. It’s simply unconscionable.
I’ll be finding a Wendy’s today and will eat a cheeseburger to honor a couple whose priorities should not only be celebrated….but more clearly acknowledged.
ack… dear mods – would please delete my 35? i screwed up and submitted it by accident!
many apologies! [Mod: Done.]
Brat at 36 — Which is also why Edwards has done a lot of work with union groups over the last few years in his poverty work. There is no one answer — there are too many intertwined issues involved in poverty — everything from prenatal care to drug costs for the elderly and everything in between.
But we need to be having this conversation a lot more often.
When all the Chinese stuff starts breaking down and we decide that we’d like to resume making things again, small shops and their employees are going to need government-provided universal health care. I would not like to be a very-small-business owner faced with the unnecessary cost of providing medical insurance for myself and my few employees.
We had better start building ladders to help us climb back out of this pit.
Selise,
Thank you SO much for this list of hearings. This is truly a public service.
Jane on CNN.
Another example of how screwed up the health care system is. It is against Federal and probably most state laws for a doctor to not charge a patient co-pays or to not bill a patient.
I won’t decide who gets my primary vote until after Christmas- but Edwards got it last time around- Richardson looks good to me too- we’ve got a long ways to go still.
Recently thinking about the Idiot in the White House makes me sick to my stomach.
Yes, indeed, Barbara.
Another metaphor I like, I know it’s a tad frivolous, but when Cap’n Kirk kicks the Klingon over the cliffside of the genesis planet, saying, “I…have…had…enough…of…you….”
BushCo. Crony corrupt corps. Old media. Go-along Republicans….
I…have…had…enough…of…you….”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 41
So is it stacking up that Edwards will get the FDL seal of approval?
I’m not going to have a problem with that. Who do you want for VP?
Steve-AR @ 44
Anyone cracked the rationale for subpoena to Michael Moore? Because this will give him an even more visible venue for exposing the U.S. healthcare system to scrutiny.
The Atlantic Online had an article about “Joe Trippi’s Renaissance”. Some thoughts about that here.
More about John Edwards:
My bold.
This medical/insurance problem is nothing new. I have friends (both college grads, both employed in medicine). They have 4 kids. 25 years ago when the first was born he had a congenital abnormality related to cleft pallatte (although much more minor). The problem runs on the dad’s side of the family (dad had it too). It is correctible with relatively minor surgery. Kids #2 and 3 didn’t have it, but the 4th child did. Their insurance refused to pay for the surgery as they considered it a “pre-existing” condition….since it “ran in the family.” This was at the time, a newborn with a congential defect and they considered it “pre-existing” The family had to pay for the surgery themselves. And fortunately hey had the money. But you can see where if they didn’t have the $ this kid could have grown up with the problem into adulthood too.
selise @ 35: Adm. Mullen before Armed Services Comm.
Why was I so exercized about Mullen a couple of weeks ago? Something to do with putting a Navy man in charge at a time when there are far too many carrier groups off the shore of Iran.
Should he be supported for confirmation or not?
egregious @ 43
that was a premature “submit”, one of my cats is trying to help me finish the list… :(
i hope a mod will delete… when i’m done the list, i’ll submit a comment with a summary and link to the complete list.
many apologies for the OT.
[Mod: already done]
Harry Reid is another one that comes from a less than priveledged background. His father didn’t complete the 8th grade. You need to go to Searchlight, Nevada to get a sense of his upbringing. It’s eye opening.
It seems that some people recognize that it took help to get ahead and are willing to try and extend that to everyone, not just the lucky ones that get noticed by a charitable or helpful person.
And then there’s Alberto Gonzales, who also had it rough, and managed to not gain that compassion.
johnSwifty at 47 — You know, I don’t think there is any one FDL seal of approval. We all have different opinions on this — it’s not a lockstep sort of blog — and to be honest, I’d take pretty much any of the Democratic candidates in a heartbeat over the folks in the GOP field (and the hangers-on in the “may run, may not” portion of the GOP as well). I do like Edwards quite a bit — esepcially his focus on “Two Americas” and on the need for all of us to step up and do the work that needs doing. And I would LOVE to see that message get a lot more coverage because, selfishly, its also one that I push pretty consistently. *g*
TRex @ 43
Jane rocks, and puts Bluey to bed, tucks him and reads him a good night story based on facts.
Christy, thank you for putting this up. In all the furor and the worthy outrage over the $hitmire, we tend to forget that this is happening; has BEEN happening, for a long, long, time.
In Georgetown, S.C., last week, Edwards made a point of saying “Elizabeth and I have all we could ever want” as he went after the “trickle-downers” and the “screw you, Jack!” crowd.
Whatever anyone wants to say about his and their money, they made it themselves, by education and work. Which up-from-a-millhand’s-bootstraps story, the last time I checked, was the very stuff of the SUPPOSED
republican “view” of wealth, and how to get it.
And, of course, would anyone like to compare the Edwards’ path to money, with george bush’s?
(No evil grin large enough. :o) )
John is the only candidate speaking for the people and the mainstream is sooo scared of him. I applaud him as does much of the net roots.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 41
With restoring unions we should also restore the tradition of apprenticeship. And not just as some enfotainment of the moment.
I was reading the on-line health insurance information from my company and realized that the only people who benefit from it are the insurance companies. (We have three choices for carrier, but it would require an expert to figure out the coverage choices. I’m not an expert.)
Any candidate who says we need affordable coverage is looking at it wrong. We need affordable care.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 55
it’s a beautiful post, Christy, and very persuasive.
I like Edwards but his “2 americas” rhetoric rings hollow with me as he IS the “other America” given his net worth of $30-40M. And not only that, he’s performed his own brand of acrobatics to hide a great deal of that income in various S-Corporations to avoid paying taxes on it. So until Edwards treats his income as income and pays his fair share of taxes I take whatever he says about wealth redistribution with a grain of salt. That said, it will probably take someone of his position to bridge the gap that exists in America today so in that respect he has my support… I just wish he was a little more transparent in how he treats his own wealth.
Having difficulty stealing a wifi signal here this morning!
I’m getting to like John Edwards more and more as the campaign rolls along. He should hire Kevin Phillips as a campaign strategist, to help give his important message more punch.
I was surprised during the CNN YouTube debates, that even here at fdl, some seemed to doubt the sincerity of his vocal support for Elizabeth.
snowbird42 @ 58
In my less charitable moments I think that the Republicans and the media they’ve paid for dread having to run against a “white male”, because then they won’t get to use the scare tactics they could use against other candidates.
Finally re: Edwards:
That about sums it up as far as I’m concerned.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 56
Agreed, and I only ask with tongue partially in cheek — far be it from me to endorse the lemming like approach of the right wing.
However, that being stated, there does come a time when consensus needs to be met and differences need to be put aside in favor of projecting one concerted voice. I am serious in that I will not mind if John Edwards is the name that concerted voice chooses to call out.
Yes, any other Democratic option would be better than the current administration. But that bar is set too low to be any sort of credible criteria. America is seriously broken after suffering Bush and it needs someone with backbone, conviction and an understanding of what it takes to start fixin’ things. I don’t know that Hillary is that person. I haven’t been convinced by Obama’s platitudes that he is that person. I remain open to the idea that John Edwards is that person and I do like his hair.
I hate to complain because I know I’m one of the lucky ones. However, my net pay is about to drop about $2500/yr. I currently have free health ins w/ my job. Paid at one time for family coverage but now that it’s just for myself and spouse it’s been free. This is due to the number of years I have been employed here. Well, that’s about to end. Too costly for employer. So very soon, instead of getting a raise, my net income will start to drop. And since I must contribute a % of the premium, my pay will probably drop every year till retirement.
behindthefall @ 41
It’s not just small business…it’s big American businesses, too.
Consider that Aerobus does not have to pay for a large retiree healthcare plane, let alone their younger work force. Boeing does.
GM, Ford, etc. are all being hit hard with the skyrocketing cost of insurance, too, especially the price of insurance for their retirees. This is also true of the established airlines in this country.
Something will no doubt give, but I’m not particularly optimistic about which way it will go.
Rich at 62 — I have to say, as someone who has advised small business owners in her private legal practice and who deals with her own family’s income and taxation issues, I’d be worried if Edwards wasn’t taking current tax laws into account in how he’s structuring his income and taxation. It isn’t just money for him — it is money that they use for Elizabeth’s cancer treatments (because I’m assuming they pay for their own health insurance plan and that cannot be cheap given her medical history), and for the kids’ various college funds, and the like.
My husband and I are self-made as well. Whatever we have, we have earned on our own. Neither of us come from wealthy parents — we both come from blue collar stock. We aren’t filthy rich by any stretch of the imagination, but we also want to leave something for our daughter and save something for retirement as well so that we can fulfill our travel dreams someday. And I wouldn’t begrudge that for anyone else — ever. I don’t want someone telling me what I have to do with my own money that I earned myself, and I wouldn’t presume to do that for someone else. Especially when that person’s priorities have been to pump quite a bit of their own wealth back into desperately needed community projects that they have voluntarily set up themselves where they saw a need for them. But maybe that’s just me…
I really like both John and Elizabeth. I wonder though if they might not be TOO good for the USA. I know that seems odd to say, but our country seems to have jumped the shark.
I really want to be for HRC because I would like to see a woman president in my lifetime, but I really like Edwards’ ideas…I guess it’s better to have for once the greater of two goods versus the lesser of two evils…
chimpy live on msnbc with Brown
Ed*ard Teller @ 63
Kevin Phillips has been deeply worried about this group of Republicans for quite some time. His book “The American Dynasty” is worth the read.
AnnieW @ 68
I have certainly heard that the big trees are stressed by the cost of ‘benefits’ (quoted because they should be regarded as rights, not add-ons), but I worry about the little sprouts and saplings of enterprise that never have a chance because of this outrageous overhead.
(((mods)))
I don’t know that she is either. Although the letters she wrote a friend when she was in college are quite interesting indeed. As for Obama? I’m now convinced that he is not presidential material (and also: in another respect, the US is not really ready for a black president, IMO; maybe in 2012). VP maybe, of Edwards.
chimpy does NOT sound like he’s goofing around with his BFF…
Gordon Brown looks like he could knock the chimpster out with one punch.
Just after Katrina on Chris Matthews Hardball Chris said that “Katrina had ripped the scab of racism and poverty off of our nation”. Matthews focused on the poverty and slow reaction to Katrina’s effect in New Orleans for about two weeks.
His program helped put the scab back on those critical issues ,by not taking the time to focus on them.
OldCoastie @ 72
The hell with chimpy. I suspect he’ll have his hands full with this dour sour-puss Brown for the rest of his term.
Could be, but the fact is that the majority of Americans are struggling to get by, facing a life either without health insurance or insurance that is rapidly rising in cost, and absolutely no idea what to do to secure retirement in some comfort. Poverty is not a “them” issue anymore.
Seems to me that this is a series of issues that will poll well, in the sense of actual voting at the polls, not in focus groups or published polls (America, for the most part, is in denial and is ashamed to think they’ve got themselves into a jam.) I think there’s a sea change coming to the majority of voters, but it may take another five years of being kicked in the face (and wallet) by the corporate-centric political establishment.
The bottom line is our quality of life is declining and there’s little security in our lifestyles. John Edwards is opening America’s awareness of these issues–of our issues.
Rich @ 62
Can you provide a little more insight into your statement that Edwards hides income in Sub-S corporations, please? Those are “pass-through” entities in which profits go directly to the income line on his tax form, which means he pays tax on that at “ordinary” tax rates. C-corps provide a lot more opportunity to “hide” income. Thanks.
Rich, I would think that Edwards was an idiot if he chose to pay more taxes than he was legally required to, no matter how much money he make. I take every legal deduction I can, and would continue to if I was all of a sudden uber-wealthy.
Edwards is opposed to many (if not most) of the tax breaks that Bush & Co. have set up that directly benefit him and his family. He would get rid of many of the loopholes he’s allowed to use now.
BTW, my family has benefitted from the capital gains tax break, I still oppose them, but am not going to just write a big check to the feds until everyone in my position is obligated to do the same.
Rusty Austin @ 71
I’d love to see a woman in the Oval Office too. But Hillary isn’t the one I’d like to see. Got a call from her campaign the other day. They were trolling for volunteers. Told them I wasn’t supporting her.
The other telling moment about Edwards and compassion was when the Iraqi war dead were being flashed on the screen. Our proud men and women in uniform that are no more. Edwards focused on the screen and looked at their faces. The others looked down at their podiums or notes.
That was a big “tell” for me.
Just driving by but had to throw that in.
Biodun @ 76
Could this musing have been anymore prescient of the Shrub’s concern for Scooter?
Would Obama accept a VP role at this stage when he has been cast as a lead player in many venues? If he could, that would speak well to his sense of humility and I, for one, would be greatly impressed.
From Krugman:
Now, why should Mr. Bush fear that insuring uninsured children would lead to a further “federalization” of health care, even though nothing like that is actually in either the Senate plan or the House plan? It’s not because he thinks the plans wouldn’t work. It’s because he’s afraid that they would. That is, he fears that voters, having seen how the government can help children, would ask why it can’t do the same for adults.
And there you have the core of Mr. Bush’s philosophy. He wants the public to believe that government is always the problem, never the solution. But it’s hard to convince people that government is always bad when they see it doing good things. So his philosophy says that the government must be prevented from solving problems, even if it can. In fact, the more good a proposed government program would do, the more fiercely it must be opposed.
johnSwifty @ 84:
Precisely re: Obama.
Oh, and T- is exactly correct on the C-corp. versus S-corp taxation breakdown. S-Corp’s do provide some benefits in terms of limitation of liability, which is why they (along with LLC’s) can be beneficial. But neither S-Corps nor LLC’s allow for income hiding as far as I am aware. They are fairly open in terms of income evaluation because what you earn is what you see — and what gets taxed.
OT-Gordon Brown just said the main front on the fight against terror is Afghanistan. You know Chimpy was grinding his teeth on that one. Brown also called terror a crime. A crime against humanity.
He took 366G of his S-Corporation as actual income and the other $26M as S-Corporation “distributions” to avoid the 2.9% medicare tax.
http://www.rothcpa.com/archives/000873.php
Again, I think Edwards is a great candidate… I would just like to see more transparency given his strong rhetoric regarding the gap between the wealthy and the rest of America. I think we all gain if we hold our own accountable.
I think it’s admirable but not telling, Edwards is an experienced trial lawyer so he knows how to play the crowd.
I daresay Kucinich and all the other candidates who maybe didn’t look up at the photos care, just were preoccupied with the debate.
Just like at a funeral, just because some people smile and laugh (I’m of Irish descent…it happens) doesn’t mean they aren’t grieving.
I’m defending the others on this even if I want to see Edwards to kick their butts….
I think Brown is forcing chimpy to act as something other than a frat boy… chimpy looks like a small little nitwit and sounds a bit defensive.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 87
As an S-corp, myself, I can attest to a fact that I struggle with. Essentially, you can pay yourself a ’salary’ which is the only net figure you need to pay FICA consideration for. In that way, all other income is considered ‘corporate’ income and is not subject to FICA considerations. It is, in essence, the Bush plan to privatize social security and it occasionally keeps me up nights when I think of it in those terms.
I just hate it when Chimpy goes off topic to the press. Just give him a towel and let him snap it.
There goes Chimpy acting like a dumb frat boy….Sorry to say but Gordon Brown is Blair lite…what a dissapointment….
Biodun @ 86
Alrighty then, Edwards/Obama ticket it is…glad that’s done…item next?
I just can’t watch this fool ANYMORE…
johnswifty @ 84:
This is interesting also:
Edwards really reached me in the last ‘election’ when he talked about the ‘two Americas’, and I have continued to support him (in the absence of an Al Gore run.) I think that poverty is one of the biggest issues we need to be dealing with, an the first step has to be the awareness of how pressing it is.
These ruinous tax policies of the Bush regime have driven the middle class into the working poor, and the poor into the abject poor. I sure hope that whoever gets in the White House gets this. If it’s not Gore, I hope it’s Edwards. I think he’s for real.
T- @ 81
T-
Having set up and run both S- and C- corporations, I can attest that you are correct. S-corps are straight dollar pass-throughs at ordinary earned income tax rates.
Loo Hoo. @ 85
Bush LOVES federalized health care when it comes to his own, which you and I will get to continuue to pay for during the rest his sorry-assed life.
AnnieW @ 82
I disagree. Why were musicians(like Springsteen .. who is my favorite) all for Kerry? Springsteen knows how lucky he is. He isn’t dumb. He, along with people like Buffet, know they ought to pay more in taxes. They can easily afford it. They feel an obligation to help those less fortunate.
Rich @ 89
Thanks, that helps. Edwards is playing well within the tax code and in no way close to a grey area here. The way I see it is that Edwards has the “equity” risk in his business venture (law practice) and those distributions are his “equity” returns which in the corporate world would be taxed at a long-term gains rate that is substantially lower than the Edwards income rate. I see this as a problem with the tax code (and its manifesting itself with the “Blackstone Tax” issue right now in the private equity realm) and one that we should get straight answers from all of our candidates on. My money is on John Edwards wanting to close the loopholes. Someone here might have intel on that at their fingertips.
This may be trite , but I think it would be good for our country to have a wonderful strong woman and small children in our white house.
marksb @ 80
Poverty doesn’t poll well? If the housing market tanks, like me and many others think it will, it will become a huge issue. Don’t let the talking heads fool you. A lot of people are hurting out there.
Speaking of vice presidencies..
So far, there are many promising democratic candidates. What this means, is we have time to see some of them ‘team up’ or ‘align’ their views for a president/vice president candidacy early.
I like it when I know this -before- the primaries. Why? Well, look at Bush, and look at Gore. If we get stuck with a Cheney or Lieberman, I think everyone will be pissed off.
So maybe the way a candidate can coat their presidential run to give the people more of an idea, they would let America know who’d be their VP IF they win in the primaries. Not after.
It’s fascinating to mute MSNBC and then watch Dubya’s gestures/facial expressions. Makes me even more embarrassed that he’s our president (didn’t think that was possible).
TRex @ 43
Robert Bluey looks old enough to enlist in the war on terror. I’m sure they’d love him over there.
I reckon fundo/politicians overlook this part of the Good Book.
Jesus said, “Whatever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me” (Matthew 25:45)
Bush might have a tougher time than he imagines on Judgment Day.
Edwards has been my guy from the jump. Here’s one more reason why.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fz0TqaonkY
snowbird42 @ 103
That’s not trite. That’s classic — bringing to mind the Roosevelt presidencies; one for the strong woman and one for the small children.
corporations allow the self employed to avoid social security payments- that and limited liability are the only reasons for the existance of most of em.
A telling point about poverty… in my 17 days in Crete driving over 3000k across that little island, we think we saw 2-3 men who might be homeless but still cannot be sure. And those men were sleeping under a grove of trees in the shade in a park in Iraklion during afternoon siesta.
There was a handful of beggars in Athens on one street which looked clean & well kept. Never once did I see anyone sleeping in a cardboard box, doorways or parks.
Someone talk to Jerry Brown about his his flat tax proposal again.
Combined with a single payer national health program we would have a winner in my book.
The true test of compassion would be how to provide for unemployed insurance company lobbyists and tax lawyers.
I found all of this reading about the Blackstone nonsense… and you’re right it is an issue with the tax code… I would just like Edwards to come out and say “this is what I was able to avoid paying legally through current tax law and I will work to close up these loopholes.” Or any other candidate for that matter.
Which is basically what you said… :)
T- @ 102
katymine @ 111
Hi Katymine,
My mother is from Crete (Xania). She loves to talk about how you can be poor in Greece and still have a decent life.
Hope you enjoyed your trip!
johnSwifty @ 47
VP? Feingold. Sebelius(the Gov. of Kansas).
Anyone who has available a perfectly legal tax deduction that he/she doesn’t use should be nominated for sainthhod- or idiocy.
It doesn’t f*cking matter whether Edwards is rich or not — just like FDR, he cares about the poor. Unlike FDR though, he wasn’t born to money. He made his own. And he still f*cking cares about the poor people of America – cleft palates and Down syndrome and abused women all.
He comes off as too “slick” for my taste (but then I thought Al Gore had a 10-foot pole up his ass). Still, wouldn’t either of these men be a better President than the “Chimperor”?
I’m not likely to be having dinner or a beer with any President soon, so I really don’t give a sh*t whether any of them would be fun to hang with — I just care about what they’d do for America.
I still hope that Al Gore will come back and be elected again — but, until then, I like what Edwards is saying (and promising to do) more than any of the other Democratic candidates.
Obama talks the fine talk and Hillary is the quintessential “centrist” triangulator (but, even though I would vote for any Democrat against any Republican) I couldn’t vote for any other Democrat with the enthusiam I could for Edwards. (Sorry, Dennis K, I’m with you on all of your views, but I just can’t get past the “dweeb” factor).
Unfortunately, I think my visceral instincts about Dennis K also played a large part in the loss of Al Gore in 2000. People respond to personas. It’s not who you are, but who you seem to be that counts. Bush played the likeable class cut-up and Gore was the insufferable teacher’s pet.
Too bad that high school still plays a large part in our politics. Otherwise, President Gore probably wouldn’t have taken us to War in Iraq.
Think about it.
It’s ok to be rich if you are a republican.
radlib
Sounds as if you’ve nailed the persona issues. That’s what a large portion of the electorate responds to.
Edwards continues to show a very “soft” persona- haven’t seen an edge yet- although he surely has one.
Hi oddmommy… actually I also lived in Crete 30 years ago in Hersonissou so it was going back home for me and showing my boyfriend why I loved it and still do.
You mother is completely right, Greece has not forgotten their ties to the land and source of their food. Their wacked tax policies 30 years ago have benefited them now. They had an import tax of 115% of all goods not made in Greece. So Greece now makes a lot of their own goods and exports to the rest of the world.
I’m for Hillary!
I lived in Wise – and Norton – VA, where Mr. Lowe lives, for a couple of years in the mid-70’s. Some of the hollers still didn’t have electricity. It is a big coal mining area and still extremely poor. Family income was less than $10,000 in the 70’s for 90% of the people. They were always complaining that they paid way more in taxes than they ever got from the state.
The infrastructure – roads, bridges, even towns – was destroyed by the coal companies’ century-old hold over this area of the country and never properly replaced, just patched, not by the state and certainly not by the companies. They pretended to comply with federal regulations, newly in place, that made them reclaim the hillsides they destroyed. Once Washington passed the bill, after long public discussions and heated emotions, every one turned away. There was no enforcement and the coal companies knew it. Whole towns wash away during the spring run-off because the hillsides have been stripped and there’s no longer enough vegetation to hold back the landslides. They are so poor they can’t afford to start over, so every year they clean the mud out of the houses that are still standing and wait for the next one to hit.
John Edwards is a real-deal, old fashioned liberal. I want him in the White House. All the hypocrisy coming from DC about how he has money and therefore can’t possibly believe what he espouses makes me want to scream. Talk about your projection…
Another terrific post. Thanks Christy.
The money thing is kinda funny. Would Edwards make a better president if he had been a failure in his law practice rather than a great success?
We have VERY recent experience with a personal failure in the White House- didn’t work out so well.
I read Malkin daily. I am a glutton for punishment I know. But I have been intrigued by her regular assaults on Edwards. I’m convinced she attacks him more than she does Hillary and Obama. I keep thinking she believes Hillary and Obama will knock each other out and Edwards will emerge the front runner. She must certainly understand that he will be a major threat to the powers that be.
It’s what the Right excells at.
AnnieW @ 126
Mark Foley text messages come to mind…
Just heard a report on NPR that Shimon Peres is turning up the heat on Iran and repeating the unsubstantiated claims about Iran seeking a Nuclear bomb. Shimon Peres said that the Iranian President Ahminijad “honors the nuclear bomb like a God” Whoa! Talk about pot calling the kettle black. Israel needs to open their doors to inspections, and stop demanding that their neighbours abide by the Non Proliferation Treaty and other UN Resolutions that they refuse to sign. The Arms race is escalating in the middle east, more $$$ for those defense companies.
It is amazing(well I guess it should not be) how often the MSM allows the misinterpretaion of President Ahminijads statements about Israel to be repeated. According to Juan Cole and others President Ahminijad never said that “Israel should be wiped off the map”
http://www.juancole.com/2006/0…..chens.html
Another article about the gross misinterpretation of Iranian President Ahminijads words about Israel
http://www.informationclearing…..e12790.htm
Why is it that leaders in Israel and the cakewalk in Iraq zealots refuse to stop repeating unsubstantiated claims about Iran and why is it that the MSM is not challenging these repeated claims. They want the U.S. to pre-emptively attack Iran or they will.
Here is what Iaea’s El Baradei has said about Iran
Military action on Iran would be ‘catastrophic’: El Baradei
Thu. 25 Jan 2007
DAVOS, Switzerland, Jan 25, 2007 (AFP) – UN nuclear watchdog chief Mohamed El Baradei on Thursday urged an end to talk of a military solution to the Iran nuclear crisis, saying any strike against Tehran would be “catastrophic”.
“I hope we will stop talking about military action,” El Baradei said during a discussion on nuclear proliferation at the World Economic Forum in Davos.
“Military action against Iran would be counter productive and catastrophic,” he said, stressing that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) was unaware of any facility in Iran capable of producing nuclear weapons.
“Do they have the knowledge? Sure, they have the knowledge. Are you going to bomb the knowledge?” he said.
The UN Security Council passed a resolution last month imposing sanctions on Iran for its repeated refusal to cooperate fully with the Vienna-based IAEA or to suspend uranium enrichment.
Iran insists that its nuclear programme is solely aimed at meeting peaceful energy needs, but the West fears it could be diverted towards building an atomic bomb.
In Vienna on Thursday, IAEA spokeswoman Melissa Fleming said the agency had asked Iran to “to reconsider their decision” to ban 38 IAEA inspectors from working in the country.
IAEA inspectors regularly visit Iranian nuclear sites under the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, to which Iran is a signatory.
Radlib, you read my mind,
We need the new FDR right now. You know, someone who cares about citizens?
Christy, this post absolutely rocks. Edwards is the only candidate who seems to stand for something. The others appear to be competent bureaucrats, but I don’t really know what drives them.
And yeah, you have to be rich in order to run for president. duh.
Edwards is walking the walk.
OT–
Joe-Lie just can’t stop lying:
And why would Blitzer even say that…
Lieberman has used up his fifteen minutes of fame-
Monk @ 125
First, you brave soul…condolences, but thank you for braving the sewer and returning to report. Second, the right sees in terms of ‘archetypes’, which is why they still pay homage to the memory of the Gipper. They see Hillary as “The Woman” and Obama as “The African American” and I think you are correct, in the primal arena of right wing thought, this is a wash. That, of course, does a complete disservice to the platforms of both candidates, but they are not right wing candidates anyway.
Edwards, by default, would be the remaining threat and what you see with the right wing carping about his money or his image is a shallow attempt to affix an archetypical label to the man. But, after all, he’s really just a guy and it looks like a really pretty good guy at that.
rwcole @ 119
I think that’s his “persona” problem. He is a “softie” for all of the right reasons — but he definitely doesn’t have the “steel” of Hillary.
Edwards shows that he has the “feeling” for poor people, for all people — but, Hillary, like her or not (and I don’t, particularly) comes across as “strong” and “resolute” and all of that national security sh*t. Advantage, Hillary.
I have always had a hard time understanding why “some people” seem to think that John Edwards’ wealth was tainted because he earned it for suing the pants off rapacious corporate robber barons, yet Cheney’s gazillions are clean because he IS one of those rapacious corporate robber barons.
or at least that’s what our corporate media has trained us to think.
Breaking News:
Iraqi parliament to Bush: “Blow me”.
-GSD
I think Cheney grew up poor too- and then discovered that the way to get rich was by controlling the flow of the govt. teat. He’s never looked back.
I normally don’t agree with Ben Stein but he has an excellent article up in the NYT about wealth and taxes.
“>Ben Stein
The press wants to kick the shit out of the Iraqis for takin a vacation in August– unfortunately- OUR govt takes august off too! Bush announced it as a birthright his first summer in office.
rwcole @ 136
Deadeye Dick Cheney, the udder white teat.
-GSD
Four years ago, during his first run for President, I had the opportunity to hear Edwards speak. He stood in a back yard in a newish suburban neighborhood and talked to the 40 or so white, comfortably middle-class listeners about race and poverty! Why, at the time, no white politicians had talked about things like that since Bobby Kennedy! And Edwards has continued to make such issues the centerpiece of his life work and his political campaign.
I’m eating at Wendy’s today!
diogenes @ 108
Judgment Day: November 4, 2008
Thanks, Christy. Great post. Edwards has been my favorite for some time now. I especially liked his response to Dan Balz and Chris Cillizza in an interview in the WaPo a couple of weeks ago when they asked him why poverty was an important part of his campaign when polling indicated that poverty isn’t a top issue with voters. He replied that poverty was important to him, and he believed that the voters wanted to see authenticity in their candidates. Great response. The interview was in multimedia format, and you could almost see Balz and Cillizza beginning to change their minds about Edwards as he consistently gave them direct, simple answers to all their questions. No weasel words or answering the questions Edwards wanted to answer instead of the questions he was asked. A very impressive man.
Waxman is after the Bushies again: LINK
The end of Waxman’s letter:
Completely OT–
Ingmar Bergman, RIP.
Years ago, an angry friend once “cursed” me saying: “May your life be one long Bergman film.”
Rich @ 62
Okay, Rich. Was FDR the real deal? He sure looks like it to me. Let’s recall that FDR was wealthy — and smart enough to realize that helping the less fortunate was not just the moral thing to do, it was also the self-interested thing to do.
When the gap between the haves and have-nots becomes too great, a revolution appears in the wings. (See Russia, 1914; France, 1780.) FDR should be worshiped by Republicans. At a time when the nation was teetering between communism on one hand and fascism on the other, he found a way to steer a middle course and saved the Republic. Of course, he did it as a class-traitor, so they hate him.
Edwards’ resume looks like mine, except that he made a hell of a lot more money as a plaintiff’s attorney than I have as an academic. You don’t have to be poor to be an advocate for the poor, near-poor and the middle class.
As far as working the tax code goes, don’t we all do that? Edwards might know far better than we how the tax code needs to be revised, because he has seen how it’s manipulated.
BC
Good article Christy.
On the topic of poverty, this is an absolute must see. It’s about global poverty, but it explodes a whole lot of myths and ends up being actually rather hopeful. And you have never, ever seen stats made fun like this.
This thread has somehow just convinced me to vote for Edwards over Clinton.
ccmask @ 148
Halleluya!
For an international comparison of child poverty, take a look at this: US second, just below Mexico and above Italy in child poverty
And for a state-by-state comparison look here: Child poverty in the US, by state
The establishment is scared to death of John Edwards,it’s really that simple.
I still say the right wing wants Hillary to run so bad they can’t stand themselves. If she wins the nomination,they already have a whole big archive of crap to trot out,again. And that will be news and nothing else. Barf.
Poverty makes people feel guilty,it enforces almost every stereotype of race,gender and class this country harbors and doesn’t like to face. That’s why poverty is always the last thing to be addressed and it’s rarely the rich who do the addressing.
I know some folks who live in Pine Ridge,SD,consistantly one of THE poorest places in the US. One of my friends who lives up there told me once that when folks come to the rez to help,it’s usually folks of modest means who can’t afford to be helping anyone else. When the wealthy have helped,they often send dirty,used clothes,stuff you wouldn’t use as rags. Or they send stuff the kids can’t use. It’s hard to use an Ipod with no computer or Rollerblades when there are no safe paved roads.
Kathleen @ 128
John Edwards: True Compassion
neo-cons: Nuke ‘em passion
Sofistic, the state by state link is the same as the world stats link.
-GSD
Loo Hoo. @ 85
I believe its called Catch-22.*g
Was unbelivable then and now. Edwards hit a homerun in that anyone not brining a story to the table like that is doing a bad job. We are great in many ways, but need to improve so much. Ronald Reagan optimism won’t do shit.
GSD @ 135
Well, then, we must save the savages from themselves, don’t you see?
Jim Clausen @ 154
I believe its called a corrupt and wicked philosophy.
Okay, Rich. Was FDR the real deal? He sure looks like it to me. Let’s recall that FDR was wealthy — and smart enough to realize that helping the less fortunate was not just the moral thing to do, it was also the self-interested thing to do.
When the gap between the haves and have-nots becomes too great, a revolution appears in the wings. (See Russia, 1914; France, 1780.) FDR should be worshiped by Republicans. At a time when the nation was teetering between communism on one hand and fascism on the other, he found a way to steer a middle course and saved the Republic. Of course, he did it as a class-traitor, so they hate him.
Edwards’ resume looks like mine, except that he made a hell of a lot more money as a plaintiff’s attorney than I have as an academic. You don’t have to be poor to be an advocate for the poor, near-poor and the middle class.
As far as working the tax code goes, don’t we all do that? Edwards might know far better than we how the tax code needs to be revised, because he has seen how it’s manipulated.
BC
No question that Edwards is the real deal and that he’s one smart cookie.
I believe him when he says he will fight for the poor because he grew up poor.
But, back to the “persona” thing, he needs to have (or get) more of an “edge” as rw cole says. He plays too “soft” in media forums (and I’m not talking “Nancy Boy” Lindsey Graham soft), but real, strong backtalk to Obama and Hillary and anyone else who questions his motivations for anything. He needs to be less “polite” and more pointed. Kick some butt, as they say in Western PA.
Ian at 146 — Thanks much. I hit the wall with fluff over substance reporting today. Can you tell? *G*
I am endlessly shocked and awed by the sheer arrogance of waging war on a relatively blameless nation (ruled by a hammer-handed government–sound familiar?), bombing the hell out of it, destroying its infrastructure, murdering its civilians, trying to steal their souls (with some success, apparently) and then blaming them for failure to march to our beat. Ohmygod. BushCo is despicable.
“The morass in Iraq and deepening difficulties in Afghanistan have not deterred the Bush administration from taking on a dangerous and questionable new secret operation. High-level U.S. officials are working with their Turkish counterparts on a joint military operation to suppress Kurdish guerrillas and capture their leaders. Through covert activity, their goal is to forestall Turkey from invading Iraq.
While detailed operational plans are necessarily concealed, the broad outlines have been presented to select members of Congress as required by law. U.S. Special Forces are to work with the Turkish army to suppress the Kurds’ guerrilla campaign. The Bush administration is trying to prevent another front from opening in Iraq, which would have disastrous consequences. But this gamble risks major exposure and failure.”
Novak–WP
“risks exposure”–Wait YOU just exposed it ya chump!!
AZ Matt @ 143
BRAVO FOR WAXMAN!
This is a perfect tie-in with Christy’s post. Carmona’s Report detailed how there needed to be a global initiative to improve the situation of poverty, human rights (particularly women and children), and other factors SIMPLY BECAUSE not ameliorating these conditions will lead to pandemics that eventually will reach the United States.
In short, it’s an issue of National Security!
To paraphrase Bob Marley: “A hungry man is an angry man”. But it’s also a person who is likely to be unable to stay healthy and who, nevertheless, is part of communities interlinked through globalization. There is no longer a “Darkest Africa”. Villages in Africa are almost more likely to be physically linked with the First World than Appalachia or the Deep South was in the 1960’s.
I recall the days when Reports from the Surgeon General and other government agencies led to major campaigns to alleviate problems. hite Papers on the Watts Riots, on the crushing poverty of the South and inner cities, on Cigarette Smoking…all led to substantive changes. They were viewed by the nation as the BEST KNOWLEDGE that could be assessed by RELIABLE EXPERTS.
Now these reports are censored and rewritten by political cronies with an eye on watering them down to satiate the lobbyists and religious nutjobs. It’s pathetic.
BTW Carmona was
firednot reappointed “at the pleasure of the President”.And did anyone catch the OXFAM REPORT on the Humanitarian Catastrophe emerging in IRAQ?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20…..0730102915
Red-X
“I believe its called a corrupt and wicked philosophy.”
Agreed.
I go to bed every night comforted by the fact that nothing is ever SO fucked up- that our president can’t fuck it up more—
Misinterpreted Christy’s comment. Urgh.
rwcole @ 161
That is his speciality
Edwards’ background also demonstrates that USA can still be the land of opportunity, vs. the land of entitlement.
Clusterfuck’s been killin shia and sunnis alternatively in Iraq in an attempt to bring peace. Why this will bring peace is never even broached…Now- he’s killin Kurds too? I’ll be damned- Iraq will be a peaceful nation when his “final solution” is completed.
The ultimate Edwards’ act of charity:
JOHN EDWARDS’ POVERTY TOUR VISITS … THE McCAIN CAMPAIGN!
Ok, folks, I’d like to also offer an economic reason to do something about economic inequality in this country: It’s better for business. A lot of people feel that it was the GI Bill that fueled the post-WWII “economic miracle” – I’d like to offer an addendum. This was the period when the Unions were at their strongest, and manufacturing workers a) made good wages, b)had health benefits, and c) had a measure of stability in their lives. These folks were able to buy homes and other property – some many for the very first time in their families’ histories. They were able to send their kids to college (because public colleges in those days were affordable). This created the largest middle class ever, even when controlled for racial factors. Pay for today’s workers has not kept pace. Benefits are fewer and fewer. Most people are one medical crisis away from Bankruptcy. Their children must take out huge loans to go to college – the average amount of debt for students leaving public colleges is in the tens of thousands of dollars. Those kids can’t even begin to start thinking about marriage, families, owning a home. They can’t afford to. For many, if they come from areas where the economy is not doing that well, don’t have the choice to go home to be with family and help build their communities. They have to leave and go someplace else to even find a job. Families are very much broken up by this process. So much for the Republican “family values”. GOP “family values” means, “My family has money so we can afford to keep our family around us, give our kids jobs, help them buy a house and put money away for their kids’ education and their retirement.” For people in poverty now, there is literally no hope. They can’t possibly think of going to college – the federal and state financial aid systems are so poor that they do not come close to covering the costs. Colleges give tremendous amounts of their aid dollars to children from backgrounds that do not need the money – they are using money as a recruiting tool. So, education, which should be the gateway into the middle class for poor families, is basically beyond their reach unless their kids want to harness themselves to huge loan payments. This also means that students to who go to college, knowing they have big payments immediately afterward, do not have the choices to do what they really WANT to do. They must major in something that will pay them back immediately, and in the largest amounts possible. So public service, or not for profit organization work, etc. is out of their reach either.In the 1930s, except for places like New york city(with a free City College), college was “a rich man’s game”. Those days are approaching fast again. And between that and the fact that American workers make such relatively poor(in buying power and benefits)wages, the US economy is already suffering for it.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 159
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That’s why I like the Edwards “hair” ad so much…it’s a jab at that kind of reporting and changes the subject back to what matters. What a concept, no?
Poverty is not easily defeated.
I believe in a social safety net. NO ONE should have to sleep without shelter- go a day without food and water- die without medical care- or suffer because of a lack of clothing…PERIOD
I favor a very LOW safety net though- minimal shelter, food and clothing. The level should be low enough that no one will want to remain there and will work their asses off to get out…
I also favor making a college education a possiblility for EVERY american—make community college free (which it nearly is) and guarantee financial support to every needy kid who makes it through two years and is qualified to go on.
After that- everyone’s on their own.
Good morning everyone. I am connected to the world again and nothing has changed in these past two days. Gee! Well, let’s keep the action and information and discussions going until something worthwhile does happen beyond increments.
Poverty is more than a gimmick for Edwards. When you spend your formative and early years experiencing your parents struggle, poverty is visceral to you. You feel their worry and stress to make ends meet. If something should happen to one of your parents you know you go deeper into hardships, never ending hardships.
One of the most heartfelt accounts of living in abject poverty is Daughter of the Earth by Agnes Smedley. Later in life she was a successful journalist and writer; she was permanently influenced by those terrible years of poverty.
Edwards may be successful now, but he never forgot his roots. Most likely it will be the most dominant influence in his decisions when evaluating how the “common man” is affected by a document he signs.
Bush’s military strategy is akin to putting two bobcats in a burlap sack and tossing them into a pool of pirhanas and sharks.
Heckuva job.
-GSD
Amazing post Christy…one of your finest.
John Edwards came to New Haven to help Ned Lamont during his primary run against Joe LIEberman last year. At that time he was addressing the issues of poverty and honest pay, unions and healthcare, and affordable housing He was riveting.
But what’s more he came to speak on behalf of the true Democrat, whereas Hillary’s husband put on a big show in Waterbury for Joe. That was the turning point for me and I haven’t looked back.
Don Davis – funny site!
In regard to the AG scandal sounds like both Philbin and Addington should be sent subpoena’s? Philbin objected to the scope of the wiretaping program and that it “allegedly ” does not fall under Fisa. Addington got rid of Philbin. Call them into testify.
Monk@125; the rightwing, with it’s huge corporate ethic, is far more afraid of John Edwards, than of any other candidate.
You aint seen nuthin’ yet, when it come to them attacking him, personally.
new thread
Addington badly needs a prolonged proctology session.
OldCoastie @ 178
Great thanks, much appreciated.
Wow, Christy!!!
That is one great column.
You said it all.
Thank you
I don’t have a problem with the wealthy, I really don’t…
My unease with Edwards stems from HOW he used the tax code to his advantage to avoid paying into the very fund that directly benefits those people he professes to want to help, meaning the medicare tax.
He took just a little more than 1% of his total earnings as a salary and the rest remained as “corporate income” to avoid those medicare taxes. That would be the equivalent of making almost $900K and taking a salary equivalent to minimum wage. There’s something wrong with that picture and I’d like Edwards to address it head on regarding what he proposes to do with the tax code in this country.
radlib1 @ 158
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fz0TqaonkY
thanks for this utube it gave me goosebumps.
Thank you for this post Christy. My father is from West Virginia and one of his brothers was born with a severe cleft palate. He was Thirty years old before he could afford the corrective operation, in the early seventies. One can only imagine the opportunities that passed him by in the beginning of his life. Things haven’t changed much really, for the less fortunate of us here in the USA. We need to continue to work toward change so everyone has the same edge on life.
Siun’s got a fresh post up top — and she’s asking for your input and your help…do go and have a read. :)
Conservatives/republicans/corporations don’t have time to deal with that meaningless crap. They have to make money.
This is the addiction I never see brought out in the open. This is the evil that money produces and shows a the true primal instinct of a species of animals towards its own kind.
There is no safer way to be ‘better’ than your neighbor than to have more money than your neighbor. And as much as I remember being raised and MADE to believe that money isn’t everything, the human animal is blatantly proving that wrong.
Hell, even most organized religions support and condone the lust for money, how else could they keep and entice humans to join and remain in the flock? And with the faith based government money give away programs is it easy for a lost soul to hook up with the lord/money.
I don’t have time to go into all the manifestations of the lust and love to money but it is the main drive in killing this world along with the never decreasing human population.
Rich
Incorporation, for an individual, doesn’t eliminate Social Security and disability taxes. It may lower them – although the one person I know who incorporated for tax purposes (a computer systems consultant) said that the tax advantages were eliminated or cut back a year or so later. This was in the late 80s, and BushCo may have put them back, but that’s what I’ve been told.
I don’t hold this against Edwards. He’s doing what everyone does: trying to minimize legally the amount of taxes he has to pay. That’s why you can put money into an IRA until April 15th for the previous year (and should): it cuts your tax bill.
PJ Evans — You’re right. John Edwards probably knows the tax code and he probably did the best he could for himself.
None of that obviates the fact that John Edwards is not only smart, but that he cares about people less fortunate that he is.
As long as he is honest in his tax reports, give him a break. He is the only candidate who has come out foursquare for the poor. Think about it for a moment. A rich lawyer cares about people less fortunate than he is.
Now, to me, that’s a good sign. John Edwards honestly cares about poor people. What the f*ck can be wrong with that?
That’s somthing that I’d like a Democratic Presidential candidate to really care about. Now, tell me that Hillary gives a real sh*t about poor people — Sorry, it doesn’t compute. She’s faking it. (I’m not saying that conceptually she’s against the poor. I’m just saying I don’t think she has a feeling of what it means to be poor.)
John Edwards has genuine empathy. Hillary has a “program.”
Christy,
Thanks for a timely and sensitive post. Like yourself, I had hoped that Katrina would lead to a focus on poverty in America. What a disapointment. As a veteran of LBJ’s anti-poverty program I appreciate John Edwards focus on this critical issue.
Someone post some links to articles about bills in which Edwards was the lead, or just one, sponsor on a bill before Congress that addressed poverty, global warming and the environment.
Thank You.
Rich @ 183
Nice pull, Rich.
This reminds me very much of one of my favorite passages from Les Miserables:
“My very dear brethren, my good friends, there are thirteen hundred
and twenty thousand peasants’ dwellings in France which have but
three openings; eighteen hundred and seventeen thousand hovels which
have but two openings, the door and one window; and three hundred
and forty-six thousand cabins besides which have but one opening,
the door. And this arises from a thing which is called the tax
on doors and windows. Just put poor families, old women and little
children, in those buildings, and behold the fevers and maladies
which result! Alas! God gives air to men; the law sells it to them.
I do not blame the law, but I bless God. In the department
of the Isere, in the Var, in the two departments of the Alpes,
the Hautes, and the Basses, the peasants have not even wheelbarrows;
they transport their manure on the backs of men; they have no candles,
and they burn resinous sticks, and bits of rope dipped in pitch.
That is the state of affairs throughout the whole of the hilly
country of Dauphine. They make bread for six months at one time;
they bake it with dried cow-dung. In the winter they break this
bread up with an axe, and they soak it for twenty-four hours,
in order to render it eatable. My brethren, have pity! behold
the suffering on all sides of you!”
Born a Provencal, he easily familiarized himself with the dialect of
the south. He said, “En be! moussu, ses sage?” as in lower Languedoc;
“Onte anaras passa?” as in the Basses-Alpes; “Puerte un bouen moutu
embe un bouen fromage grase,” as in upper Dauphine. This pleased
the people extremely, and contributed not a little to win him
access to all spirits. He was perfectly at home in the thatched
cottage and in the mountains. He understood how to say the grandest
things in the most vulgar of idioms. As he spoke all tongues,
he entered into all hearts.
Moreover, he was the same towards people of the world and towards
the lower classes. He condemned nothing in haste and without
taking circumstances into account. He said, “Examine the road
over which the fault has passed.”
Being, as he described himself with a smile, an ex-sinner, he had none
of the asperities of austerity, and he professed, with a good deal
of distinctness, and without the frown of the ferociously virtuous,
a doctrine which may be summed up as follows:–
“Man has upon him his flesh, which is at once his burden
and his temptation. He drags it with him and yields to it.
He must watch it, cheek it, repress it, and obey it only at the
last extremity. There may be some fault even in this obedience;
but the fault thus committed is venial; it is a fall, but a fall
on the knees which may terminate in prayer.
“To be a saint is the exception; to be an upright man is the rule.
Err, fall, sin if you will, but be upright.
“The least possible sin is the law of man. No sin at all is the
dream of the angel. All which is terrestrial is subject to sin.
Sin is a gravitation.”
When he saw everyone exclaiming very loudly, and growing angry
very quickly, “Oh! oh!” he said, with a smile; “to all appearance,
this is a great crime which all the world commits. These are
hypocrisies which have taken fright, and are in haste to make
protest and to put themselves under shelter.”
He was indulgent towards women and poor people, on whom the burden
of human society rest. He said, “The faults of women, of children,
of the feeble, the indigent, and the ignorant, are the fault
of the husbands, the fathers, the masters, the strong, the rich,
and the wise.”
He said, moreover, “Teach those who are ignorant as many things
as possible; society is culpable, in that it does not afford
instruction gratis; it is responsible for the night which it produces.
This soul is full of shadow; sin is therein committed. The guilty
one is not the person who has committed the sin, but the person
who has created the shadow.”
Prairie Sunshine @ 59
ccmask @ 148
Sorry, I posted this in wrong place so is a repeat.
I’ve been waiting for it and now happily see John Edwards making the connection between poverty and corporate control of our country’s levers of power. Now he speaks of how oil, big pharma, and insurance centers of power get their way in congress and that they will never give up their power willingly. He now calls on the people to assert and reclaim our power for the benefit of everyone including the poor. This is straight up populism that is a horror to CEO’s of huge multinational corporations.
I’m also happy that Edwards took the political press with him on a poverty tour. They couldn’t figure out why he was talking about poverty, but the ones who had eyes to see and ears to hear changed their hair stories to straight up journalism about what they were seeing – the poor. After the tour was over Edwards moved on to making connections between poverty, corporate power, opportunity for all, equality for all, health care for all, justice for all, .. you get it? He didn’t start with economic justice, he started with poverty and Katrina – that grabs the heart and is visible. Edwards’ caption: we can see what is right and what is wrong and this is wrong. WE – who are we? We are the ones who know the difference between right and wrong. We are the compassionate and moral.
As a worker for the homeless and incarcerated these many years, I see the brilliance is this message movement. What’s next? Where do you want to go next?
Hey, it’s his own fault for being… uh, something or other. Just ask any conservative. They’ll give you three or four reasons why it’s his own fault.
SusanD @ 22
Good God almighty, you hit the nail on the head!! I grew up in a large family, parents never had a credit card until we were all long out of the house. Imagine that!!
I grew up wide awake, and hyper-sensitive to poverty. As a single mother, years later, it was misery all over again.
Finally, after completing a four year degree, I was able to break the cycle. This was in New York State, and the grants available, both state and federal, are what made it possible.
I often dream of winning millions and setting up an NPO to help single parents and their children through these times, when, as you said…..”A flat tire is a major financial disaster.” It is, and it’s a helluva lot tougher out there than it used to be.
Edwards has tapped the most critical issue out there, IMO, and he now has my full attention!!
Quite frankly, as F.Scott Fitzgerald said in his short story, or was it an essay………anyway, he said there is something about the rich that is very different from you and me(this is paraphrased off the top of my head)………….THIS IS WHY HILLARY MAKES THE HAIR ON THE BACK OF MY NECK STAND UP!!!!
Call me prejudice, but I really think growing up poor is an advantage. Edwards was not poor-poor, but he grew up knowing the value of a buck, unlike Hill.
To clairfy, the growing up is an advantage statement: I meant that, to me, it’s an advantage for the canditates, if that’s the case.
I feel very strongly that we must have a president who knows, first hand, what life is like when you DON’T have every advantage available to you, and your parents were working class heros(nod to Lennon).
johnSwifty @ 47
Hey, we don’t ask tough questions LIKE THAT around here.
Nobody knows the answer and it’s not even obvious who the Veep would be if any of the other Dems gets the nomination.
Rich @ 62
I agree and find it ironic that it’s a guy named “Rich” who makes this point. :-)
radlib1 @ 133
I agree. Edwards’ flinty edge is seen most clearly when he’s incensed that someone like Mr. Lowe is so clearly “playing by the rules” and still getting nowhere. Edwards has compassion and a great drive to “see things as they are and ask ‘Why?’ “
We live in the wealthiest country in the history of mankind and there is still great inequity and far too much real poverty. Many people, as Michael Moore points out in his movie SiCKO, think they’re secure, but find out otherwise when health care problems arise. These problems must be addressed.
The Rich often refer to this as ‘class warfare’, but it isn’t. It’s caring for ALL Americans and trying to ensure that everyone can benefit from this American miracle.
Why on earth should the poor of America have any faith in America if they are continually trod on?
Why should the middle class of America slave so hard to live payday to payday?
America has always stood for something more. The American Dream must be fought for or we’re just another republic.
Edwards gets it.
I should add, Rich, that he’s probably not doing anything remotely illegal or unethical, but that his kind of business lends itself to complicated tax returns and he just needs to be able to present that in a simpler way. Hillary ran into a similar problem with her complicated “spaghetti plate” health care reform system. It might’ve worked, but looked horrendous. Sometimes simplicity has political benefits, even if it’s not absolutely the best way. I’ve generally opposed the single-payer health care system in hopes that ways can be found to keep it private. But, the single-payer system has tremendous aesthetic appeal and might be very good (see Moore’s SiCKO for examples). One must, as Einstein said, simplify as much as possible, but no more than that.
I posted above about all the references to Edwards on Malkin’s site. Here’s another one..from her stupid Hot Air. (She refers to Edwards as “silky pony”…mature name calling on the part of Malkin.)
“That’s where the real longing for Reagan comes from: not nostalgia for his vaunted communication skills, important and prodigious though they were, but nostalgia for the fact that he had a distinct vision for American government and wanted to put it in play. The only major candidate in the race on either side who seems to share that quality is, ironically, Silky, which doubtless explains part of his appeal to the nutroots. Newt would fit the bill on the right, but he’s unlikely to get in and is a sure loser if he did.”
MarkH @ 201
I agree with your assessment, I see Edwards at his most powerful when he’s talking about the effects of poverty on the MAJORITY of Americans. My parents both immigrated after the war, and we’ve benefited greatly from poverty programs instituted before the Republican Revolution. I look at all the benefits our family has today, and I know that prior to ‘94 even at it’s very cruellest you felt as though you could be proud of your country because America would not let its people fall flat on their asses.
Keeping in mind that Iraq is the most important problem now, America used to be a country that looked over the next hill as well at our current situation and I feel like Edwards has vision in this regard.
I look to his statements on inequity and see it such, the more educated and healthy we are, the more we innovate and prosper … all Americans deserve this, not just the top percentiles.
Ok, you just made me tear up. Thanks for writing this Christy – it’s pretty much all the reasons why I wanted to work for John – what I see him fighting for and the guiding philosophy that he and Elizabeth have worked their whole lives for – which is to work to make the world better for others. I think America would be a much better place with those kind of values/priorities in the White House.
I think Edwards has true leadership qualities. Been waiting for that for a long time.
“. . . downsizes you to living in your car . . .”
An otherwise excellent post. However, there are many, and have been some in the past, who don’t even have the luxury of having a car to “live in”.
Been there, done that not that many years ago. Not sure whether my changed circumstances are due to luck, divine intervention or something else. Either way I’m grateful but for some of the poverty stricken, even a car to live in would be a luxury. Respectfully submitted.
John Edwards will get my vote!