On July 17, 2003, Senator Jay Rockefeller came back from his second briefing on the NSA's domestic spying program and recorded his concerns about the program in a letter addressed to Vice President Cheney.
The briefing took place just as the Senate was about to vote to defund any data-mining of American citizens. The Senate had tried, earlier that year, to defund the data-mining program, Total Information Awareness, yet Bush had just changed its name and carried on. So in July 2003, the Senate was trying to write legislation explicit enough so the Administration couldn't pull off such a head-fake again.
Which is why it is so important that Rockefeller stated that the NSA's domestic spying program reminded him of Total Information Awareness.
I am writing to reiterate my concerns regarding the sensitive intelligence issues we discussed today with the DCI, DIRNSA, Chairman Roberts and our House Intelligence counterparts.
[snip]
As I reflected on the meeting today, and the future we face, John Poindexter's TIA project sprung to mind, exacerbating my concern regarding the direction the Administration is moving with regard to security, technology, and surveillance.
[snip]
I am retaining a copy of this letter in a sealed envelope in the secure spaces of the Senate Intelligence Committee to ensure that I have a record of this communication. [my emphasis]
Rockefeller wasn't just raising general concerns about the domestic spying program. He was stating explicitly that the ongoing program sounded a lot like the TIA program that was being made illegal, even as the briefing occurred.
As it happened, Congress did pass the section of the Appropriations Act that defunded any data-mining of US citizens or data-mining within the US.
Sec. 8131.
[snip]
(b) None of the funds provided for Processing, analysis, and collaboration tools for counterterrorism foreign intelligence shall be available for deployment or implementation except for:
(1) lawful military operations of the United States conducted outside the United States; or
(2) lawful foreign intelligence activities conducted wholly overseas, or wholly against non-United States citizens.
But when Bush signed the Appropriations Act, he signed a mumbo-jumbo filled signing statement specifically addressing that section of the Act. Effectively, the signing statement claimed that since the Annex to the Act that referred to other data-mining programs was classified, any reference to such programs wasn't really part of the duly-signed law. It was just "advisory."
The Administration did not brief any member of Congress on the program again until March 10, 2004, the day of the confrontation in Ashcroft's hospital room.
Since that time, of course, we've learned that the Bush Administration has been using data-mining. It has been using data-mining to analyze data collected in the United States to identify targets for wiretaps, one party to which could be in the United States. And in fact, NSA didn't have the technical ability to ensure that it wasn't tapping communications between two targets, both of whom were in the United States. The Bush Administration was violating the clear intent of the law passed in 2003 to forbid data-mining in the United States.
When Bush confirmed the domestic wiretap program, he described it in terms that would mostly kind of comply with Congress' intent when it explicitly forbade such activities. But he never denied that the activities associated with the program prior to March 2004 clearly violated Congress' intent when it passed the Appropriations Act in 2003.
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emptywheel!
Marcy! And single digits!
Hey Marcy, see you soon.
happy birthday-eve, egregious
This maladministration has been very good at weasel-wording their way out of situations, particularly those they’ve created themselves. I hope that that’s ending.
Can please impeach somebody now?
Impeach me. I’m ready.
When do we hear outrage by the general public about this detruction of our constitutional rights?
There doesn’t appear to be any “center” to American life anymore, except what we are building on the internet through various organizations, to which I’ve given more money than I like to think about for the last several years.
I feel like I’m supporting the only thing that will save the Republic, may the Goddess bless her!
Good post, Marcy. I’ve been convinced for awhile that parts of TIA have been outsourced (oh, it’s illegal for the gov’t to do that? Well Choicepoint can do it for us!). I bet the relationship has many backdoors. It also has the advantage that the private contractors can supply the same info to, say, DHS and the RNC, avoiding those pesky rules about political purposes. Heck, wasn’t it Choicepoint that supplied caging lists to Calderone?
Eat a peach
The ole’ signing statement trick.
Oh, and a completely off-topic aside:
Why does the MSM give top billing to whatever comes out of Newt G’s mouth?
Who the h-e-double-hockey-sticks is HE! I’m sick of hearing his opinion against my will while reading headlines.
Chief Justice Roberts fell at his summer home, taken to hospital. Breaking news on CNN
raven @ 10
That should be T-Rex’s line and it should be Eat AND Impeach!
EW=Peachie, yum!
itwasntme @ 12
It’s for balance :)
raven @ 10
there’s only one way out…
Sorry for the OT, but for the sports fans out there:
Bill Walsh dies at 75
itwasntme @ 12
Off topic again. Why of why do they have this obsession with boobs? Guess it takes one to know one.
Just in MSN: John Roberts taken to the hospital. Sounds like he fell down and busted his ass. I do hope that he is well, but his court has been busting our asses since he was confirmed.
raven @ 10
Bro, Allman Bros!
ccmask @ 11
Wouldn’t it be interesting, ccmask, if the first legal confrontation over BushCo’s signing statements also pertained to the domestic surveillance program?
It’d make quick work, hopefully, of explaining to the American people why President’s just can’t attach their own laws on the back of the real laws.
itwasntme @ 12
Because they are the liberal media.
Former 49er head coach Bill Walsh dies
long live the West Coast offense
punaise @ 23
Amen.
OT? - Cheney on Larry King tomorrow night. Per CNN - “V.P. Dick Cheney answers the tough questions.” Uh-huh.
JF @ 25
I wonder if Tim Russert’s officially on Cheney’s shit list now? Maybe Dick Cheney no longer controls Russert?
JF @ 25
Will he take phone calls?
Tom in AZ @ 27
“Take” or “tape?”
Thunderbird @ 18
Red and gold with black trim tonight.
I remember when he became coach of the ‘Niners. (I remember the season before he became coach of the ‘Niners, too.)
emptywheel @ 26
*xyz would know…
JF @ 25
Tough questions huh, now that’s laughable.
Iran Contra criminal/pardonee Adm. John Poindexter was put in charge of TIA in ‘02. Congress defunded and outlawed in ‘03. Bush, et al. went ahead and did it anyway, getting clever by half and calling it something diffetent. Rockefeller horrified to be told they were violating Congress. Comey likewise refused to play along, leading hospital room showdown w/ Gonzales 3/10/04.
They did it anyway. Exactly what Congress passed a law saying they couldn’t do. Funded it from other sources. 21st century Iran Contra.
Thunderbird @ 18
I drove the visiting team bus when Stanford played Illinois in Champaign. Coach Walsh, his staff and players were really nice. . .not always the case when teams came to town.
Prairie Sunshine @ 13
He broke his news? What happened? Did he fall off his high horse?
All snark aside, hope the injury was more to his pride than anything else.
It’s a renegade, law-breaking, piss-on-the-Constitution, out-of-control, beyond the fringe White House.
What’s needed now are more hearings, more questions and more statements of terribly annoyed Congressmen and Senators, just before they take a recess.
Wonder what could be unearthed here?
Great post Marcy! Always ahead of the pack…thanks.
emptywheel @ 21
You got it! See you in Chicago.
The John Roberts “falling” at his summer home in Maine story is strange. An ambulance was called, and the report from the hospital was that he was “conscious”. Hmmmmm.
Maybe Clusterfuck should have required medical clearance!
Prairie Sunshine @ 13
Instant Karma is gonna getcha!
retirin’ in five @ 20
T.S. Eliot, The love song of J.Alfred Prufrock.
wdcsmp @ 32
Oh, very nice point. In an earlier weedy version of this I made the Iran-Contra connection explicit (as did joejoejoe who gave me a timeline I used for this). But I didn’t make the Poindexter thing explicit.
I’m just thankful to be living in a land where the top Justice is able to afford a “summer home” in which to take falls.
Wow- What if Roberts needs to be replaced—showdown at the OK Corral I reckon!!
roberts taken to hospital “just as a precaution.”
ccmask @ 37
I think that is the next issue that needs to be before the Supreme Court. It needs to be included in any GitMo cases brought before SCOTUS. Signing statements came into vogue thanks to Alito. They are a CLEAR violation of the separation of powers because with them, the Executive is making laws. Even with the Court stacked on one side, I think Kennedy would flip.
They need to datamine in order to cage Democrats in the 2008 elections.
They resorted to racial caging, which is illegal, in 2004 in Ohio and Florida. But if they can datamine Patriot Act databases for political affiliation, then cage tens of millions of Democrats like they did blacks in ‘04, then they win. Caging based on political affiliation is NOT illegal, so it would be unchallengeable.
Harriett Miers was complicit, so they needed her on the Supreme Court to insure it was never challenged.
Once the Executive branch could appoint the people responsible for voter “fraud” all the pieces were in place for a permanent Republican majority. Had the 06 elections gone Republican, NONE of this would ever have seen the light of day.
It’s all making sense now.
Slothrop @ 43
Seems like he is not wanting for good medical care, neither.
rwcole @ 44
leaving us with a Sup-rump Court
doctordawg @ 47
Right on. It’s political profiling. It’s Fascism or Stalinistic communist ploys. It needs to be addressed and stamped out.
I know Inow you want Impeachment SORRY we can’t do it we haven’t figured out how to make it none binding, besides that nice guy in the white house is letting us say what we want with his approval, so relax already as soon as we figure out how NOT to upset them and make it NON BINMDING we will proceed.
THe Wimpy Democratic Party
BigMitch @ 48
It’d be a damn shame if his health insurance doesn’t cover “summer home” falls. Hope he read the fine print.
“sup rump”
It’s what’s for dinner
This just shows that if you do not have active Congressional oversight of the Executive (with legal authority , i.e. power of the purse etc), the Executive can do whatever the heck it wants.
America needs to wake up because the United States is on the verge of being the next Enron. Off-balance sheet wars (in Kurdish Turkey & Iran), blatent disregard for the law (signing statements — so can Bush issue signing statements on bills written in the 1960s that he doesn’t like?), and changing the name of something so it is exempt from previous defunding.
America is in trouble. This is the political equivilant of global warming.
OT to Big Mitch — “Do I dare to eat a peach?”
Had to google it although knew it was T.S. Eliot. Almann Bros reference was to an album and, I believe, a then current sexual reference popular with Georgia’s young men. (Saw that — or dreamed I did — in a bio on TV.)
Slothrop @ 52
He’d pull a combo-Trent Lott/Robert Bork backflip and sue them to cover it, no doubt.
dead last @ 54
The Enron example is exactly how the MBA Bushies have run things. The main problem with that strategy is that companies like Enron can file bankruptcy, continue as a going concern, and then emerge from Chapter 11 leaner, meaner, and just as rich….in fact, as I type this, that is what the Bushies think the government is afterall. The Bushies suck.
I agree with you Gordon14.
Just as Dick Cheney set up his own intelligence “chop shop” separate from the NSA, DIA and CIA, this domestic spying program probably was farmed out to crony-Republican data-mining companies, who then worked with crony-Republican telecommunications and banking entities to collect as much raw data as possible on U.S. citizens.
But there’s more.
Recently, we learned that a crony-Republican data-mining company, in working with the IRS to go after tax dodgers, had compiled a data-base with U.S. citizens identified according to their political affiliation. Some suspect that this was done to help the IRS target Democrats for audits and asset seizures, while letting Republicans off.
This makes me think that the Bush administration’s post-TIA, but still just as illegal, domestic data-mining program is setup similarly, targeting Democrat’s communications and bank records, while turning a blind eye to “culture of corruption” Republican communications and bank records.
We definitely need more patriotic, progressive, liberal Democrats in Congress, as well as a Democrat in the White House, to get to the bottom of what the Bush administration has been secretly doing.
Down with Fascist Republicanism!!
I’ve been with two corporations during bankruptcy. It’s not too bad. Worked out fine in both cases–except that the shareholders lost their asses of course.
I’ve noticed a pattern here at the Lake. Every time something really bad happens to someone on the other team, like Tony Snow’s cancer or Roberts falling, the immediate reaction of everyone here is to say, we wish him well. We may not like so-and-so’s politics, but we don’t wish them any personal harm.
And what are the odds that right now someone like Anne Coulter is writing a column not only accusing us of wishing Roberts harm, but possibly even staging the accident.
The Oracle @ 58
That needs to be the mantra the Democrats/Progressives use as the oversight hearings continue. This is the sort of cut and dry language that appeals to all Americans” Big Brother is watching you, and if you are not one of us, we will get you.
Slothrop @ 52
History has taught us that the transportation of fallen judges to hospitals has not resulted in an overall increase in the percentage of hospitals containing an equal number of judges and non-judges. Therefore, such transportation must be outlawed.
rwcole @ 53
The other white meat?
rwcole @ 59
Shareholders in bankruptcy is a nice analogy to citizens of the United States.
Maybe Roberts had a sudden unblockage of an artery and will be sane from now on—that would be a bitter pill for goopers to swallow.
John Roberts Update:
Don’t know how he fell, or why.
EMT - “Conscious and alert”…
They don’t know seriousness.
Heart attack?
Yikes!! I hope he’s okay.
Get Tough @ 61
Think about that AUSA letter Whitehouse read @ the AbuG hearing…
rwcole @ 65
Or, hit his head and become a progessive like Alan Alda’s son in that Woody Allen film–was it Play it again, Sam? I don’t remember.
Yes - good points. And exactly how IS all this being funded? Funded from other sources also?
wdcsmp @ 32
Sounds like they are going to impeach Gonzo - per MSNBC
newtonusr @ 67
Whitehouse is a keeper. I love that guy.
LS @ 66
My first thought was TIA or minor stroke. They’d probably do an MRI or a CAT scan for that, because treatment has to begin very soon to be effective.
Breaking on CNN:
Hillary Clinton still has breasts!
Marcy, your post and all of your investigating on this is really great.
Gonzo impeachment would be kind of fun. Why the hell not. Neither congress nor the White House is going to do anything else for a year and a half ANYWAY—I say “IMPEACH is ASS”
General Rump
T I L L M A N got some good play on Ed Schultz this morning, from a call-in listener.
LS @ 70
Gone-zo, Gone-zo, Gone-zo!
This man is an affront to the very idea of justice.
-GSD
itwasntme @ 73
I thought it was cleavage
Get Tough @ 71
They just never see him coming.
LS @ 74
Agreed.
What I heard about this on the radio at one point was that Sen. Rock had to hand-write this because of the super-double-secrecy oath they signed in order to be briefed at all.
BigMitch @ 76
Also some coverage on Democracy Now this morning.
Also, did the Brits trade in their poodle for a Shelty or what?
-GSD
Gonzo looks more like an undertaker than an Attorney General.
Is it possible that the president made an error in an appointment?
CNN-Cleavage News Network.
Reporting on Hills hills.
-GSD
Anything to this comment (by “flounder” at the thread accompanying a post by Karen Tumulty)?
“Phone calls are digitized these days, thus they are “data”. Listening to people’s phone calls would be “data mining”. Not that hard to parse.”
newtonusr @ 79
You are sooo right. He is so unassuming, but man does he pack a wallop. He is some revelation.
Thank you for your courage and clear voice, Marcy.
I am placing this comment in the secure vault of FDL, even before reading comments under your post.
I’ll be back later to read in more depth.
Oh, and have I mentioned it yet today?
IMPEACH! ASAP! NOW! IMPEACH!
Caution has been thrown to the wind long ago, and NOT by us, but by this horrid administration.
They.must.be.removed.from.office.
I’ll get my broom and manure shovel…
rwcole @ 83
maybe he will take this administration under. I can only hope.
Let’s compare the swelling in Hill’s bodice with the lump in Clusterfuck’s flight suit. Which is the most attractive politically?
I’ve been critical of the dems with their investigations in the past, but the time is better than ever to go after Gonzo, and they are doing it. The Bushies still have 18 months to go. Batten down the hatches!
Get Tough @ 86
Raise your glasses to Link Chaffee!
BigMitch @ 41
Uh, I was think ABB
brendan @ 85
No, they don’t “listen to the phone calls.” They have sophisticated computers which track voice wave forms of phone calls. The computers look for certain wave forms which certain words and phrases show in certain types of context.
Doesn’t Pat Roberts owe us the other part of the 9.11 investigation or something? I forgot… remind me.
1993 — Roberts, C.J., suffered an unexplained seizure when he was appointed to the court of appeals.
Adie @ 87
p.s., thanks for keeping the fires burning bright at the Lake, guys. I just plain have to quit this stuff for awhile, to nurse what’s left of my sanity. back in a bit….
Would appreciate you saving a spot for me. ;->
Slothrop @ 43
Chief Justice Roberts earns a salary of approximately $210,000 per year, which is approximately equal to the compensation of a fourth-year associate at a national law firm.
If he owns a summer home, its highly likely that he bought it while he was a partner at Hogan & Hartson.
GordonM @ 9
It seems to me that the Founding Fathers, although they could not possibly have forseen the sort of things that this administration is doing, or the degree to which technology would make these things possible, were very wise to make the wording for impeachable offenses so broad as to include possible non-crimes. Whether some of this stuff is technically illegal may be debatable in a court of law, but it’s morally reprehensible, out and out sneaky and dishonest, an abuse of power and shows a contempt for congress not seen in decades! And the Congress gets to decide whether they are high crimes and/or misdemeanor enough to impeach. And I submit, if they don’t see them as warranting impeachment, then they are as guilty as if they were active participants. That’s what we need to tell them. That if they don’t want to be considered accomplices in the wrongdoing, then they have to quit letting the evildoers off the hook and extract a punishment.
Roberts
Yeah there was a report on whether the intelligence community fucked up the war WOMD intelligence- but nothing on whether the administration cherry picked and distorted the intelligence on the run up to war. Odd that the dems haven’t forced the report out yet.
Slothrop @ 93
I don’t understand your response: you seem to agree that they could be “listening” while misleadingly referring to the activity as some form of “data mining”.
Any handwriting analysts want to appraise Rockefeller’s script? He looks like a pushover to me.
SanderO @ 94
The part that was postponed, and then postponed again, and then declared to be no longer relevant was about intelligence failures leading up to 9-11 IIRC.
Chief Justice Roberts is taken to hospital after a fall at his home in Maine.
-GSD
I, for one, would love to see Chief Justice Roberts spending more time with his family and less time fuckin up my country.. Hope that’s not a harsh thing to think.
oddmommy @ 62
oddmommy @ 62
Your reasoning like your sense of humor is faultless.
rwcole @ 104
He was the one with the cute kids, yes? OK, they need more daddy time.
GSD @ 103
Wishing, of course, only the best for the Chief Justice. Was the unfortunate incident caused by a Segway? A pretzel?