Robert Novak's column today reports that President Bush is "secretly" planning to engage US forces in yet another war, this time by sending in US special forces to help the Turkish Army eliminate the Kurdish guerillas attacking Turkey from Kurdish Iraq.
High-level U.S. officials are working with their Turkish counterparts on a joint military operation to suppress Kurdish guerrillas and capture their leaders. Through covert activity, their goal is to forestall Turkey from invading Iraq.
Suppose you're the last remaining semi-rational person in the Administration -- oh, say, the Secretary of Defense -- and the President asks you to gather support for this secret military intervention. Which of the following would you do?
A. Send Congress' favorite Under Secretary of Defense, Eric "you're a traitor if you ask me any questions" Edelman to give the briefing to Congress, because he's so respected there?
B. Make sure Karl Rove is in the loop, because he never leaks national security information, especially to Bob Novak?
C. Make sure Novak hears that everyone is shocked, shocked at how isolated and delusional Bush has become.
D. Make sure Congress feels they were duped, again, because Bush never mentioned that the US surge forces he wanted to secure Baghdad would be used to intervene between Kurdish Iraq and Turkey.
E. All of the above.
Someone in the Administration is sending a message that they think President Cheney Bush is nuts. Wonder who?
Of course, if you're a Democrat and have been writing "withdrawal" legislation with exceptions that allow Bush to retain and use US troops to discourage neighboring countries from violating Iraq's borders, you might want to think twice about how much discretion you'd want to give the Bush/Cheney Regime after you've given them 160,000 US troops to play with.
Photo by AP, Novak on Meet the Press, October 2003, via Chicago Tribune.
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caw caw?
None of the above.
It’s time to find a way to have the Pretzlenit committed to a mental institution.
A good morning caw to scarecrow, and a good morning pat to the pups.
Now that’s funny!
_MS
Hey, Rev. How you feeling? Going to make your Tues flight?
Good morning, Scarecrow!
Perhaps this is something Brown & Bush as discussing on “Golf Cart One”.
Kathryn in MA @ 4
Hopefully the last vestiges of the cold that followed the URI are leaving. Yes, I will be on the flight. Yes, I will be feeling better.
Thanks for asking.
Going to the Cubs/Mets game with a certain Incan (Aztec?) God on Sunday at Wrigley Field!!!!!
How good is that?
Turf wars between Front President Bush and Back President Chee-knee?
scarecrow - you see gates behind door “E”?
So, who was President while Cheney was having his ticker tuned?
I’m getting the feeling that the Pretzlenit loved to play the game Stragego when he was a kid but never finished one game. He’d just throw the pieces off the board when it wasn’t going his way and start another game.
Whoa! (Incan)
Mike Leavitt is busy dissembling about Schip on Washington Journal. But we can’t afford to save the children…
If life was fair, lightning would strike all these liars! I guess there isn’t that much spare electricity in the universe.
Regarding A, Edelman is probably going in front of the Armed Services Committee to brief them on draw-down plans because the Senate, and I bet Bob Gates too, want to make sure he gets a little clearer on the concept of Congressional oversight and what it means for him in particular.
Regarding the overall story: Turkey is a long-standing ally. The Kurds are pretty much the only people in Iraq who like us. Keeping them from coming to all-out war is a good thing. Whether this is the way to do it I don’t know, but it doesn’t exactly fit the Bush / Cheney expansionist model of military action as you imply.
Good morning scarecrow. In case you or any of the pups around here were thinking of visiting the Bush White House, please don’t wear jeans or short skirts. Dignity is back in DC:
New signs are posted around the White House indicating a new strict enforcement of the dress code, the Washington Post reported Thursday. The code applies to all visitors and staff members, including tourists.
Some tourists are finding the strict clothing restrictions at the White House un-American.
The forbidden items include jeans, sneakers, mini-skirts, t-shirts, tank tops and absolutely no flip flops.
oops. Stratego. We had a set when I was kid. War games were not my thing.
ccmask @ 15
This is disgraceful. Tourists wear jeans, and t-shirts and besides this, that House belongs to us. If Bush doesn’t like the visitors, HE can leave.
Can the Undead truly save the Living?
selise @ 9
Who knows? But this is a very strange column, and it’s obvious Novak thinks the plan is uh “risky.” Yet no one else reports on this, so you have to ask how Novak got the story, and from whom.
I wish I didn’t think this way. I used to be normal.
“President Bush is “secretly” planning to engage US forces in yet another war, this time by sending in US special forces to help the Turkish Army eliminate the Kurdish guerillas attacking Turkey from Kurdish Iraq.”
This is not another war, but an entirely predictable result of the orginal Iraq invasion. Call it Iraq 2.0.
RevDeb
Risk!
Twain @ 17
Scarecrow @ 19
These people have so skewed the concept of “normal,” I don’t know what that is anymore.
mack @ 21
Didn’t play that one. Hated Monopoly. Way too into greed.
This Administration has a strange concept of dignity.
The visitor dress code is the least of their offenses.
What a creep he is. No sneakers? That is un-American, for sure. It just never stops.
RevDeb @ 24
I only remember Battleship? You just drop bombs or troops at random into places you can’t see and hope you hit something.
ccmask @ 26
Guess he’s afraid of the dirty hippies.
ccmask @ 15
Do they have a nun standing at the door with a ruler measuring how many inches above the knee the skirt is? I think not, see it could be worse.
Scarecrow @ 27
Sort of like a primitive “Shock and Awe?”
-MS
The objective of Risk is to conquer the world.
Gutsy moves either win or result in catastrophe.
Of course, in real life, it is much harder to clear the board and start over when things don’t work out.
Sometimes I think the NeoCons are waiting for their Maker to do just that.
Good Morning Scarecrow and firepups,
Gee, and I wonder where this overwhelming dread I feel is coming from, could it be the insane Mr. Bush?
Will Gates save the world? Can he last through the rest of this administration? I don’t know how he can get up and go into work every day.
that was a crackin’ good post last evening, btw.
Jane was on CNN last night — waiting for the video and/or transcript. It was after 11:00 p.m. EDT. Anyone catch that?
Well, the dress code will cut down on some of those pesky amerkins hanging around nosing into things. Maybe they will go shopping or something constructive like that. Humph.
ccmask @ 15
*ahem* Isn’t there a picture of Bush circulating the toobz wearing flipflops and shorts and such at the WH?
Oh, I get it. Don’t do as I do. Do as I say.
Dictator-in-chief
RevDeb @ 24
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Would it surprise you to learn that Risk and Monopoly were Bill Gates favorite games?
Turkey is a rather strange country with regard to its relationship with the US and Israel. They want to stamp out the Kurds… something rather common in that region… who want their autonomy.
Read Sibel Edmonds about Turkey. The islamists are rising in Turkey so I see some trouble for secularists there.
The US has a huge base there which was used to threaten the USSR and now to threaten the ME.
I am so tied of all this militarism. When will someone rational put these people to pasture?
weekly congressional hearings update.
two big ones this week:
Wednesday
10 am - House Oversight and Government Reform
Hearing on The Tillman Fratricide: What the Leadership of the Defense Department Knew
Witnesses: Donald Rumsfeld, Gen. Myers, Gen. Abizaid, Gen. Brown, Lt. Gen. Kensinger, Lt. Gen. McChrystal
Thursday
10 am - Senate Judicary
Preserving Prosecutorial Independence: Is the Department of Justice Politicizing the Hiring and Firing of U.S. Attorneys? – Part VI
Witnesses: Karl Rove, Scott Jennings
i’m running a bit behind this morning and wont get the complete list posted until a bit later today. check back on this thread, or click on my name for the link. sorry for the delay!
All of them.
TRAITORS.
selise @ 38
Thanks Selise. I think Karl and Scott would at least have the courtesy of letting you know whether they’ll show up, after all the trouble you went to to announce their invitation.
Thursday is my birthday. I’m looking forward to a red faced Karl and a Jennings on the side. yummmmmmm.
Novack and Karl Rove go way back Novack has other sources in the White House but he would run any story critical of the White House past Rove. Unless like the imigration issue the story violated his conservative principles.
Going to war does not bother conservatives much but leaking what was clearly meant to be a secret plan might kill the plan. This suggests Rove leaked it. Now how crazy must Bush be acting if even his brain is jumping ship?
Scarecrow @ 27
i played lots of monopoly and battleship - but my favorite board game was probably risk. i blame them for why i turned out so gung-ho violent.
Elliott @ 36
It would seem a foregone conclusion.
Scrabble was and is still my favorite (except for spider solitaire!)
Scarecrow @ 40
haha.
it will be very interesting to see what they do.
and i am looking forward to seeing rumsfeld testifying under oath.
kinmo @ 41
Happy Birthday. Many really important people were born about the same time, including egregious. I also expect that Karl Rove and Jennings are just as likely to show up at your B-day party as the hearing. So be prepared.
Scarecrow @ 32
I caught most of it. She’s was on as the liberal blogger up against some smarmy 20-something conservative (Blooey?) who looked like he had a bad dye job.
The host, whoever he was, tried a couple of gotcha points with her which she took care of but he did the same for the conservative who did the hem and haw and gee I dunno act.
A little earlier in the show, they also covered the Max Blumenthal tape on drafting College Republicans and actually did note the blatant hypocrisy and how inane the responses were from the war cheerleaders.
selise @ 46
“There are known lies, and unknown lies, and lies about known and unknown lies, etc . . . “
This from Novakula’s piece:
Preznit Doubledown/Cheney thinks there is no problem on earth that cannot be solved by US military power-even if it pisses off the only ally we have in Iraq itself.
Novak has a lot of sources including those in the State Dept. No way this comes from Rover.
Is Novak finally coming to grips with the neocan idiocy that is Bushco?
Starting Monday morning reading Robert Novak is against my sensibilities, but I’ve done it and can’t say I’m surprised. Bush won’t be satisfied until WWIII has broken out in the Middle East, war profits are guaranteed for decades & ultimately the West has domination of the oil fields.
Scarecrow @ 19
i need a remedial class in media interpretation - with a primary focus on karl rove and dick cheney. sort of a kremlinology for today.
things come undone says
July 30th, 2007 at 5:47 am
“Going to war does not bother conservatives much…”
This seems untrue in context. REAL conservatives would have no part of this entire war (and the side issues), having no interest in “nation building.” The neo-cons rationalize this horrible affair as (among other things) our God-given right to export “democracy” to other parts of the world which would not otherwise have the “opportunity” to live under the “banner of freedom.”
As tho’ this administration had the slightest clue of what democracy was…
-MS
dakine01 @ 48
Thanks — Jane was opposite Blooooey once before. Another wingnut welfare recipient.
Last night one of the news channels showed Bush and Brown in the golf cart. Bush teasingly pointed it towards the media as if he was going to run them other. As a momma, if my son pulled that stunt, there would be consequences for his immature behavior. What are Bush’s consequences? Brown didn’t look as though he was amused.
Elliott @ 36
I’ve also read that Gates had a habit of asking his dates in college what their SAT scores were (he preferred 1600 girls). Geek small talk, I guess.
Board games were out @ our house, card games in. Played cribbage & canasta w/my Dad, p*ker w/my brothers, cousins, & uncles.
On Christy’s snake oil thread yesterday afternoon I was hoping to get some betting going on who will show up @ the SJC hearing Thurs. or not, & the reasons why not.
This is where a youth wasted in gambling for buttons & paper clips leads…
nonplussed @ 13
G’ morning everyone. Just a quick one and then back to packing….
Leavitt seems to fly under the progressives’ radar. He is such a Bush water carrier, and there is a little issue about pandemic flu preparedness - not - that is being lost. He’s anti-universal health, anti public health, anti policy that advocates for preventive health, anti affordable prescription drugs, etc. He needs much more watching and testifying in front of certain Congressional committees.
Novak has a lot of sources including those in the State Dept. No way this comes from Rover.
Maybe Rice? It would be payback for the Cheney guys leaking the story about Saudi’s dissappointing US in Iraq, just before Rice and Gates head to Saudi Arabia.
JPL @ 55
He has done that at other venues - I believe he tried to hop in construction equipment and try to steer for reporters - anyone remember something like a John Deere factory tour episode?
Scarecrow @ 58
Guess they have to go hold the royal hand since Bush dared to criticize the kingdom. I am tired of my tax dollars paying for these useless trips for Condi.
kinmo @ 41
It’s my birthday too. I can’t think of a better gift!
N=1 @ 59
I remember that, Caterpillar
angry_cyclone @ 61
Happy birthday to you both. Hope you get your wish.
I share a birthday with Emily Bronte and Ahnold.
Lindy @ 64
Ahnold will have to make a new movie: “Triplets”
ccmask @ 15
It’s amazing. Why don’t they send out engraved invitations inviting our ridicule?
Maybe DOJ has their Regent grads and there’s some etiquette Nazi from Bob Jones U. in the WH?
Where are their “saner heads” who understand the PR risk for this? *g*
Scarecrow @ 58
If not Condi, then perhaps a senior level State Dept type who still hasn’t quit but is disgusted with Cheney’s strongarm tactics and utter disregard for any non oil-based alliance.
A little OT - Someone wrote a letter to the editor today in the Philly Inquirer … they suggest a monicker for Snarlin’ Arlen that is similiar to the infamous F.U. or Friedman Unit … they called it SLS .. Specter’s Last Stand .. in regards to his actions regarding AGAG .. while it doesn’t have the appeal of FU .. I give the guy an A for effort
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 68
He’ll always be Haggis to me
(thanks emptywheel)
No sneakers, flipflops, tank tops, jeans, mini-skirts, t-shirts for wh visitors? Ah, wouldn’t that include a huge percentage of their voting base? Another brilliant idea coming out of the adm. I wonder if rove came up with this one too.
The Turk-Kurd dispute is longstanding and has been at risk from the get-go of erupting into all-out war. And, yet again, we will be arming both sides.
It does have a Nixonian “secret invasion of Cambodia” ring to it doesn’t it?
ccmask @ 15
Is a burka requirement next?
N=1 @ 59
Yes, remember, but thought it was at the Caterpillar factory in Peoria.
There was also the business of playing with the remote-controlled weapons robot out in CA, where he drove one straight at a reporter, weapons pointed at him.
Re: Battleship - great way to teach kids how to use spreadsheets
Elliott @ 69
If there’s a moniker that denotes talking out of both sides of your mouth, Specter deserves it…
I’m not surprised that he’d try to aid Turkey against the Kurds, he’s still pretending he’s five throwing rocks at cars.
I love spreadsheets…
selise @ 38
Is Rummy gonna show up? Its too bad the hearing Wednesday is before the House Armed Services Comm. I’d rarely see it be the Senate. I want to see Webb destroy Rummy. Webb has got to be one of the most PO”ed people in Washington over the whole Tillman afair. There are probably a whole lot of people he wants to give the Bush treatment to right about now.
I’m doing one right now, in fact.
ironranger @ 70
Bush is adamant - only presidential seal ankle socks and crocs will do. ;^)
By way of DK: NYT says Cheney sent Gonzalez to Ashcroft’s bedside, which makes me wonder if Schumer has proof of that.
Kevster @ 71
It’s a warning to the Kurds that the US will not tolerate extremism across the Turkish border and a notice to Turkey that we will support them only so far, but will not stand for an invasion. By interposing ourselves we control the situation better.
Lindy @ 81
I’m blanking on the timeframe. If it was Cheney and it was about data mining, was it data mining about Wilson and Plame?
ironranger @ 70
Including, you know, the elderly. A lot of them have to wear sneakers for comfort. Way to make new friends.
Sort of a common theme here, making new friends, also by driving vehicles into reporters.
But I thought we liked the Kurds. After all, they’re the “other Iraq.” The success story in Iraq.
Michael in Park Slope @ 53
I stand corrected Neo Cons have no problem with war, but where are all the real conservative voices against the war?
The real conservatives don’t critize Bush much because they put the office of the Presidency above their own convictions. How can Democracy work if people keep puting the office of the president above their own will as the people?
Hey N=1,
Did you find a place to move into today? [Sorry OT, please don’t smite me, Scarecrow. We can’t let our own people go homeless.]
egregious @ 83
That speaks volumes right there. Wasn’t there a visitor’s center being built for the White House too? I wonder if this is just to keep anyone who isn’t “royalty”off the premises entirely.
The White House isn’t supposed to be an exclusive freaking clubhouse.
N=1:
Hope things are going better.
If this is so, I find it a disgrace and barbaric. This is a an age-old feud between the Turks and the Kurds. For the U.S. to get involved in such a way, it is worsening the matter. It is not only immoral, but barbaric.
ironranger @ 70
It would definitely include their daughters, one of whom wore jeans and a jean jacket to Buckingham Palace to meet the queen.
The WH clothing restrictions remind me of banks that “require” ID and a thumbprint, but strangely enough if you’re white they never make you do it.
Some people will be let in, and others excluded. Rules are for the little people.
ccmask @ 79
well, sh!t, so am i - using the graphing wizard, too!
Phoenix Woman @ 91
Good one, PW.
Bloooey, eh? Or this guy?
Kathryn in MA @ 93
I haven’t gotten into that yet, but I really want to. Some day. I need to be taught though.
Sorry, I have to quote Juan Cole almost in full on this:
N=1 @ 83
I’d say that was probably a part of it…a small part. Knowledge is power, and what better way to quell your opponents than to know their every move?
What’s up with all of the “POLITICO” shit on Washington Journal this morning?
LibertyLee @ 82
Just like we’re doing with the Shia and Sunnis?
UN inspectors to visit Iran nuclear site
A group of UN atomic inspectors was set to arrive in Iran on Monday to visit a heavy water reactor that is one of the key Western concerns over the Iranian nuclear programme, officials said. SNIP
mui @ 97
So my question. Is ChimpCo exercising the “Salvador option” in Kurdistan too?
New Chomsky: There Will Be a Cold War Between Iran and the U.S.
Things come undone @ 85:
You are, of course, absolutely right. We do need to champion rational principle (the constitution) over party affiliation. I seem to recall a (VERY) few conservative voices dissenting against the Decider’s war, albeit without much enthusiasm… Maybe Buchannan?
-MS
Marie Roget @ 75
Janus?
RevDeb @ 105
Why is Robert Novak still able to write articles that make it into one of the Nations mainline newspapers? And why would we trust Novaks intentions? This is a journalist who was part of the Bush administrations successful efforts to out an undercover CIA agent whose job we know was- WAS to protect our nations National Security by gathering information about WMD’s. Novak should be in jail based on undermining National Security, not have his questionable reporting on the fro