Huzzah!!!
Well, you’re forgiven if you think it’s time to celebrate.
Speaking at the San Francisco AIDS Foundation gala in May, the agency’s executive director did not mince words. Two sentences into his speech that night, Mark Cloutier made a startling announcement.
“The HIV epidemic is over. Yes. The HIV epidemic in San Francisco is over,” said Cloutier, according to a copy of his prepared remarks.
A closer look at the definition tells the story:
epidemic: An outbreak of a disease or illness that spreads rapidly among individuals in an area or population at the same time.
HIV in San Francisco is no longer the out-of-control scourge it once was in the 1980s and 1990s. Since 2001, infection rates in the city have leveled off, with new HIV cases remaining fairly stable at between 800 and 1,000 a year.
Thus, HIV no longer fits the definition of an epidemic, which city health officials define as meaning the spread of a disease is increasing.
“My own personal opinion would be, from a technical point of view, we have an AIDS endemic, not an epidemic, based on what the words mean. Epidemic means an exponential growth in new cases,” said Health Director Dr. Mitch Katz. “All the data still shows it is stabilized. Endemic is the more correct term.”
While it may be the more medically correct term, folks who man the prevention barricades wonder at the wisdom of dropping the word epidemic. My former colleagues at the Stop AIDS Project have doubts.
Stop AIDS Project deputy director Jason Riggs also expressed concerns about how a shift in words would be interpreted by gay men and others. Using endemic not only overlooks those parts of the community where HIV continues to spread, such as among African American men, said Riggs, but also implies that HIV will be a part of the gay community for years to come.
“What’s in a name? It doesn’t change the facts of HIV transmission. The fact is almost 1,000 people are getting infected in San Francisco and that is still too high,” said Riggs. “Three hundred men a year die of AIDS in San Francisco. It is like a plane crashing each year in San Francisco. We need to remain vigilant.”
This in a city with a total population of less than three-quarters of a million. Twenty-five years into this epidemic, are we ready to call it endemic — and does that mean a plane crash every year in San Francisco? Does that mean one thousand new HIV cases every year — forever?
Cloutier said in an interview last week that referring to an HIV endemic would result in changes to how health providers and AIDS agencies address the disease.
“If it is endemic, meaning it has become stable, you need a different set of responses from a prevention perspective and a services perspective. You need new tools to break that cycle,” he said. “An endemic framework leads you to ask questions, such as what can we do further to work with the HIV positive population to reduce new infections in addition to the HIV-negative population.”
Some of our heroes have always told inconvenient truths about this disease:
“There is no doubt in my mind that if the same disease had appeared among Americans of Norwegian descent, or among tennis players, rather than among gay males, the response of both the government and the medical community would have been different.”
That’s four-term Congressman Henry Waxman, in 1982.
Does San Francisco’s HIV/AIDS endemic mean that every other locality will face the same decision — at whatever point the disease is brought under control? As communities rein in their epidemic – if they do, a big if — will endemic HIV/AIDS then become the norm everywhere in America? Will Americans completely discard the notion that we can win against HIV/AIDS, and accept an endemic level of this killer disease?
How many AIDS deaths are in your state every year? Is that number acceptable to you? Are you prepared for your public health officials to declare the epidemic over?
Over half a million Americans have died with AIDS. At some point, will American AIDS deaths be a normal part of twenty-first century public health?
(video projection by Jason Riggs and Stuart Goldstein, Stop AIDS Project. This was projected on three-story screens installed at 18th and Castro the Friday and Saturday night of Pride 2005)
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Zed
Mr. Ted.
heya, CT
Hiya LooHoo. Are you gonna run and, if so, for what?
Right On, Teddy!!! I let the prior thread know!
Check this out Teddy! A little ray of hope here on the Big Isle!!!
http://www.hawaiitribune-heral…..ocal01.txt
When will we ever learn that needle exchanges and condoms are cheap and effective!!! It’s astounding that we would rather pay the pounds instead of the pences!!!
Teddy! Great post and really on target. I personally have lost two friends to AIDS and would hate to see anyone else suffer as they did. Likewise, while AIDS has plateaued among some populations (as in San Francisco and among the larger US Gay community), elsewhere it is still spreading rapidly. Women of color are a major growth sector. AIDS, while still relatively rare, is poised to explode on America’s Indian reservations as more and more HIV positive people move back to the res to take advantage of free medical care. Given the abysmal lack of medical infrastructure and the multitude of risk factors present on the reservations, this could be disasterous. Likewise in SubSaharan Africa, India, Southeast Asia, and the Caribbean the explosive growth of the disease continues unabated and threatens to possibly destroy some of the affected countries.
TSF,
I would be concerned too about this change in language. While I am concerned that the folks in SF might start to get casual over the topic my bigger concern would be the vicious pundits of the right and their political poodles and possible threats to funding.
hiya teddy! hi y’all!
Hey Cassie! How’s it goin’?
It would be nice to reduce the number of new HIV cases to a number that isn’t significantly different from zero. That would, needless to say, require a reduction in the number of unprotected sex acts by HIV-positive individuals, and in the number of instances of needle-sharing by drug addicts, to numbers that aren’t significantly different from zero.
How likely is that?
I’ve never been addicted to an injectable drug. However, I have been young, horny, and stupid. So I think I have some sense of how difficult it would be to eradicate unprotected sex.
There will be new HIV infections until we have a vaccine that is inexpensive and effective. And God only knows when that will be.
SnarKassandra @ 10
Hey, Missie, How’s the weather?
DrDick @ 11
good! only rained a little. saw bunches of friends. i am on nurse duty tomorrow afternoon and eve, so i got to play a lot today.
CTuttle @ 7
Needle-transmitted HIV/AIDS was declared endemic in SF a number of years ago. We’ve reduced this transmission to close to zero, with effective daily needle exchange out in the community.
Teddy
I don’t think anyone would accept permantent endemic status of HIV/AIDS. Endemic is simply a characterization that we are nearing the top of the bell curve. The next step is to go over the top to the decline side. Just calling a distribution what it is does not mean anybody gives the green light to stop HIV/AIDS prevention.
SnarKassandra @ 14
Nurse Duty?
CTuttle @ 17
Aunt Betsy gets those injections into her spine again tomorrow.
video projection by Jason Riggs and Stuart Goldstein, Stop AIDS Project. This was projected on three-story screens installed at 18th and Castro the Friday and Saturday night of Pride 2005)
Okay, now it makes sense. Really good video for that purpose. Teddy, do you think there are people who don’t know they should use condoms and be tested? Is there a reckless crowd that just doesn’t care?
DrDick @ 8
I blame the Republicans…starting with do-nothing Reagan, of course, and continuing right on down the line. They’ve handled HIV/AIDS the same way they handled New York after 9/11, the same way they handled New Orleans. The same way they handle anything genuinely important…you know, like people.
Its kind of like what happened to Brown vs. Board, we don’t need that integration stuff any more. Now we find out that gays got taken care of too, and it didn’t take nearly as long as it did to take care of our African-American citizens.
TeddySanFran @ 15
The Social Conservatives and theocrats hate these kind of programs because they see it as “pandering” and supporting “immorality”. I really think that their savior would have a rather different view, given that he healed lepers and hobnobbed with hookers, grifters, and thieves.
TeddySanFran @ 4
Oh, Teddy. I certainly hope there’s someone more qualified than I am to run against Issa. I’ll certainly lend my support.
SnarKassandra @ 18
That’s sweet that ya tend to Auntie!!! Cool, you two were meant for each other I feel!!! Ain’t Karma divine???
DrDick @ 22
Seriously, WWJD??? 8-)
DrDick @ 8
I am sorry for your losses, DrDick. There aren’t many of us untouched by this scourge. I did not realize the reservations were going to be a magnet for HIVpoz folks, but due to free health care that makes sense. I wonder if there’s much preparation for the influx when it comes.
TeddySanFran @ 26
There are other factors that make the reservations a tinderbox, including high rates of alcoholism.
Go to the front page of the NYT website and check out the photo of Gordon Brown as he is being driven around in a golf cart by the Deciderer.
It’s not quite abject terror, but he certainly isn’t feeling at ease.
Loo Hoo. @ 23
Woo Hoo, Loo Hoo, I’m absolutely certain that Howie Klein and the Lake would be behind you 100%!!!
is suzanne ok? she didn’t come last night either. :(
burnspbesq @ 28
they’re diametrically opposed to each other! I’m sure Shrub is missing his lap poodle!!! ;-)
TeddySanFran @ 26
Unfortunately, while a number of people have pointed out the problem, very little preparation has been done. A big part of the problem is that the Indian Health Service (IHS) which provides health care on the reservations is seriously underfunded, understaffed, and overworked. Many tribes have also adopted an ostrich approach. The situation is compounded by rampant (and often violent) homophobia in most of Indian country. It is rather sad that as a result of Christian conversion and forced assimilation, many groups who were traditionally very tolerant of differences in sexual identity have become so prejudiced.
AZ Matt @ 9
Our city leaders are already struggling to make up lost funding in the Ryan White bill; our Congresswoman was able to protect us from some of the worst cuts, but there’s still a shortfall, as I understand it.
The vicious pundits on the right don’t need an excuse to attack people with AIDS, San Francisco, and San Franciscans with AIDS, but I worry this may be used against us as well. And that the prevention message, always a challenge, will get blurred.
But what really worries me is that HIV/AIDS policy usually begins here in SF — and that other communities better look out for this “endemic” metamorphosis. Are you willing to accept your community’s current incidence and prevalence as the status quo? I’m not.
SnarKassandra @ 30
Maybe she had an unexpected showing for her cabin!!!
SnarKassandra @ 10
Heya SK!
SnarKassandra @ 30
Maybe she’s sneaking off on a vacation…she deserves one for putting up with all of us!
Is Aunt Betsy going to be in good shape for Chicago after her shots?
TeddySanFran @ 35
People are writing for youthinkleft again. :)
SnarKassandra @ 30
Cassie, Suzanne has Internet connection problems in her locale, and is more than anxious to return.
Loo Hoo. @ 36
she is taking her air pillow on the plane with her, and her cushion. and y’all are going to help her get ice packs and stuff that my cousin and i usually do.
BigMitch @ 27
That is among the “risk factors” I mentioned. Methamphetamine has also reached epidemic proportions on many reservations. Casual, unprotected sex and high teen pregnancy rates are other factors. All symptoms of extreme poverty, marginalization, and hopelessness.
The Lurking Mod @ 38
Thank you!! Tell her we said hi.
TeddySanFran @ 33
Didja read my linkie at 6? That’s the first positive step forward here in the Aina!
Teddy … thank you for a very informative post. The acceptance of a “stable” level of death is pretty horrifying …
Did TRex ghost-write Paul Krugman’s column about SCHIP in Monday’s Times? It’s pretty snarkalicious.
The Lurking Mod @ 38
Ooh, that Sux!!! No idea when she’ll be back???
Siun @ 43
Sounds a lot like something somebody would try to sell us concerning Iraq, doesn’t it…?
she is taking her air pillow on the plane with her, and her cushion. and y’all are going to help her get ice packs and stuff that my cousin and i usually do.
You betcha.
Loo Hoo. @ 19
Young men who come here from elsewhere to seek their sexual emancipation often don’t know that 1 in 4 gay San Francisco men is HIVpoz. And 1 in 3 of those don’t know they are positive.
Sometimes those newcomers find out too late — when they are sick themselves.
There’s a lot of blaming reckless people who don’t care, which I think is unfair. I used to try to do HIV prevention at critical choice moments at the point of penetration: in sex clubs, at the beach, in mens rooms in the park. Lust doesn’t care about HIV prevention — lust wants to get off.
Crystal meth adds an element of not-caring that is exponential.
Loo Hoo. @ 47
she has a whole box of zipper baggies and she said all hotels have ice.
Teddy:
Two things. First (and I am not a conspiracy theorist…I’m not dumb either….I’m formerly from Palo Alto……There was a strange little article that went flying by a few months ago about the murder of two doctors who were about to make some announcement….nobody knew what. Except that for the last several years, they had been working on a cure for AIDS. Makes ya wonder. Why murder them? Well, if you cure AIDS, the drug companies no longer make huge profits from “stopgap drugs.”
Second, yeah, I guess condoms and needle exchange are effective, but I’d vote (for as long as we still have that option) for a cure. I don’t know if you remember Polio, but I do, and they said they would never find a cure for that either. Sure, cut off the money for the research, and like alternative fule, which Reagan also cut off, it just doesn’t happen.
This, unfortunately is not a sexual preference issue, or a gender issue, or a political issue…oh, wait, it is a political issue. Do I know what to do about it….well, ask me if we have elections for the next President.
Siun @ 43
Yes, but if you look at the general approach to malaria (one of the largest killers in the world), it is not so unusual. Especially if is not killing rich white folks.
DrDick @ 51
Again, a cheap preventive measure goes a long way…
Hi there: Thank you for this important post.
Sorry for misspelling your name yesterday, Cassie.
Please excuse this OT link: about need for humanitarian aid in Irak. (since last thread is mouse-quiet).
Good night, all.
Laura Doty @ 53
Woops, bum link.
CTuttle @ 45
We don’t, but if Suzanne has anything to say about it, not long at all.
Laura’s link is fixed – refresh the page and try again.
CTuttle @ 52
I assume you are referring to the pesticide infused mosquito nets for sleeping areas. This is starting to make significant headway in some areas, but of course the administration really has not been terribly supportive. As with AIDS, the ultimate solution is a vacine, but as these are poor people, the drug companies do not show much interest. Worth noting that as a consequence of global warming, malaria is spreading into areas Africa where it was previously absent.
FYI, Jane is on CNN news now
Jane – Now on CNN
Siun @ 43
I am afraid that a change in focus to “prevention during endemic” may also miss those newcomers who lack any prevention skills. I was amazed to talk to lads who’d just arrived here, fresh from their abstinence-only sex education classes. Nothing tunes out a gay teenage boy quicker than clinical discussions of opposite-sex sex from the basketball coach. They arrived quite ignorant about the basics. Lotsa banana demonstrations in the storefront office for those lads!
Jane Hamsher on CNN now.
Teddy … critical and true. I see a lot of casual attitudes towards prevention in the early 20’s age group in general and it terrifies me.
There seems to be a sense that it’s no longer a big deal.
Jane looks good!
Good interview and they actually had a few minutes uninterrupted.
Great job Jane!
and she sure delivers the right messages in just the right way!
Wow! Jane was great when she could get a word in!
Poor Bluey. heh
Jane:
OT
Snarkassandra, a few weeks ago, did a post on a medical records review for the Ready Reserve. If you didn’t read it, you should. It’s at Youthinkleft. Might I respectfully request that you cross post it here. It seems like just a little piece of the puzzel, but as a result of that, I talked to some friends of mine (with a little higher rank than her brother), and they said it was, as she suspected, a very big deal. It might even be worth asking her to follow it up. So she’s a kid. She’s a pretty savy kid, and she dug out something pretty important.
Siun @ 65
Right. Punish’em with facts.
DrDick @ 57
Exactly! And the Snows of Kilimanjaro have certainly been diminished!!!
TeddySanFran @ 61
Dang, I missed it!!! :-(
CTuttle @ 71
me too
Siun @ 62
I think that this, rather than inaction by public health authorities is the greatest danger with this shift from epidemic to endemic. Without the “Oh, my God, we’re all gonna Die!” element, it is going to be that much harder to convince young people to take it seriously and practice safe sex.
OK.. this is way out of my area of expertise, but shouldn’t one consider the nature of any epidemic in a global/interconnected world before declaring an epidemic “over” in a discrete local? I mean, the AIDS pandemic, as a global problem, is raging onward and probably with increasing strength in many regions… it seems to me to be a little complaisant to isolate San Francisco and say “problem solved” when all it takes would be for a sexually active carrier with a new virulent strain flying in to SFO from, say, South Africa, to restart it up again. It seems to me that the epidemic is only “over” when it is contained globally.
I bet Crooks and Liars will have it by morning.
They do such awesome work to keep us all up to date!
Oh foo, can’t catch Jane on tube right now.
Teddy, what bugs the snot out of me about HIV right now is that this is a trial of sorts that tests our ability to respond. We already know what populations are at most risk and why — and yet we cannot muster the political will power to knock it down to a diminishing level instead of a stable, endemic level.
If we cannot lick HIV by diminishing its spread after decades of experience with it, how the hell are we going to tackle a massive pandemic that something like H51N might launch?
There are other examples, too, in tuberculosis and in West Nile; the first, an old disease that became drug-resistant because of mishandling cases, and the second, a disease that is ignored because it’s become endemic in a short period of time at a tolerated rate of mortality. If we can’t lick either of these smaller populations, how are we going to lick HIV, or H51N???
We are in a freaking world of hurt and the public really isn’t cluing in on how bad it is. As long as this stuff affects “others”, it’s not their problem, just give them bread and circuses.
Loo Hoo. @ 66
What show and topic and who was she up against?
Siun @ 62
People with AIDS struggle to live normal lives, and would rather not be defined by their disease. Therefore they are less obvious in society than they used to be. This is a double-edged sword, as the young-and-invulnerable crowd tends then to view the disease as “manageable.” Every time I hear someone compare AIDS now to diabetes, I remind them, “Yeah, but people still lose limbs and their lives from diabetes.”
Just because today is a good day for your friend who has AIDS, and he’s out and about in the neighborhood, doesn’t mean there have not been five days he’s in bed or not far from the toilet.
We also are only now beginning to learn about the intersection of diseases of the aging and AIDS/HIV, as folks age into their sixties with this disease. Interactions between drugs for aging diseases and HIV are only now being studied, and the studies aren’t taking place in the lab. If you catch my drift.
Blub @ 74
Seems sensible to me.
Jane looked great on CNN. Only caught the last 30 seconds.
Question: Why are the news talking heads such tools?
Blub @ 74
This is particularly true of the AIDS epidemic which is a direct product of the forces of globalization.
RAR-hawk @ 80
It’s what they get paid to do. Pathetic, isn’t it?
From Laura’s link:
This report must represent a major challenge both to the international authorities and the Iraqi government, who are both found to be failing their people.
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Seems to me that what Colin Powell said is operant here. You break it, you own it. It is our responsibility to get the services/commodities to the displaced Iraqis.
nothing here replies to those of us already who have AIDS. some who, like myself; have already had it for over 25 years.
i don’t infect anyone. i don’t even have sex. yet i still have problems and needs. this is not about me infecting anyone but about me staying alive.
Rayne, did you see Christy’s earlier post with your words the body of it?
hughman @ 84
That is amazing. Do you take medicine every day? Who pays for it?
EvilDrPuma @ 82
What’s pathetic is the fact they’re wrong 99.998% of the time, and get paid exorbitant amounts to be wrong!!!
RAR-hawk @ 80
I think Rick Sanchez was really outgunned by Jane. He tried to get her to criticize the Democrats — “Shouldn’t they issue subpoenas or even use inherent contempt, Jane?” — and Jane said, sweetly, “Well Rick the Committees have issued a number of subpoenas which the White House is ignoring. And so they may have to use inherent contempt.”
Rick was done. And Bluey? It is to laugh.
I wonder if Sanchez knows about Jane’s reputation with the tazer?
AZ Matt, Jane was on with people I didn’t recognize and I only got to see a minute of it. They spoke about Abu and what to do about the situation. Jane had a better handle on it than the CNN guy, for sure.
TeddySanFran @ 88
Jane Rocks!!!
hughman @ 84
Congratulations on your successful struggle against AIDS. There seems to be a sense among the prevention community in SF that HIVpoz people need more information about not “infecting” others, but I don’t think that’s the case myself. I think the great danger is from HIV poz people who represent themselves, to themselves and to others, as HIVneg based upon a long-ago test.
Those who’ve survived as long as you have do have very specific needs. Are you finding that your community provides them?
hughman @ 84
Twenty five years is a long time to live with a disease like AIDS. Have you had access to the best doctors and drugs? How do you feel about the video Teddy gave us that was shown at the gay pride parade?
What do you suggest we do to help?
Goodness, Hughman, we’re human, we fully empathize with ya!!! 8-)
OT — helping aunt B pack while I swim in firedog lake. which firepup said they are bringing a good camera to YKOS2? And did you remember to pack it?
(((Hughman)))
WaPoO chatz tomorrow; questions accepted anytime!
Dan Balz at 11am eastern
Emory University Psychology Professor Drew Westen, author of Sunday Outlook article telling Democrats to appeal better to the emotions, at 11am eastern
Staff Writer Steve Fainaru talks about his coverage of the hidden, parallel war private security companies are fighting in Iraq at 11am eastern.
Filmmaker Charles Ferguson (”No End in Sight: The American Occupation of Iraq”) at 11:30am eastern
Staff Writer Shankar Vedantam on Science & Medicine: Gender and the Workplace at Noon eastern
SnarKassandra @ 94
I’m bringing it. For some reason my email ain’t working on my daughter’s computer, and I don’t want to overheat my laptop before Chicago. Does your Aunt have a laptop she’s bringing? I’m hoping there will be enough of us at the Jane, Christy, Marcy panel that we can loveblog it! How about you, Teddy? Bringing a laptop?
I hope this thing does not infect Firedoglake.
hughman @ 84
I think you raise an important issue. While there are still irresponsible HIVpos people, I think most have adopted more responsible lifestyles, as you have. The real problem, as Teddy pointed out, is those who are infected and don’t know it. We really need to do more to establish routine testing and to remove the stigma which is still associated with the test. This is a major area where our health system has fallen down. Another area is in treating and dealing with people like you who are living with the disease for decades. Another strong argument for nationalized health care.
Loo Hoo. @ 97
Yeah, she is bringing the Mac Powerbook from her work. They say it needs a new CD rom, but since it is not under warranty she has to pay herself. But she doesn’t think she will need CD in Chicago.
Loo Hoo – she said bring the cord that connects to the computer.
SnarKassandra @ 98
***
Cassie: A shame about the infestation, but I love the weed’s Latin name (”Salvinia molesta”) and the name of the town (”Uncertain.”)
night y’all.
i will be on a lot tomorrow.
Wait!! Loveblogging? *g*
No, I don’t have a laptop, but I may get one. I remember feeling very disconnected without a laptop at YK last year. Gotta check the budget, but I may head to the Apple store tomorrow.
SnarKassandra @ 98
That’s wild, Cassie, one of the only natural lakes here in Hawai’i is also beset with Salvinia!
DrDick @ 81
Beg pardon?
You’ve lost me there.
Please explain.
SnarKassandra @ 98
I hope they can take the lake back. What a beautiful area.
SnarKassandra @ 98
Damn! As if kudzu wasn’t bad enough.
Night Cassie.
burnspbesq @ 106
For Example; South African Truck Drivers have spread their ‘wares’ far and wide within the African Continent!!!
SnarKassandra @ 101
Will do, and the battery charger for the camera.
LooHoo (85) — yeah, I saw Christy’s post quoting me. Too funny to see it after spending all evening off the internet, only to find I’ve been making trouble even when I’m offline!!
Rove’s got big heap troubles. Poor thing.
Heh. More than a year later and he’s still trying to spin the same math that failed him in November, can’t even sell it to his own party.
The Jennings presentation that Rove surely helped prepare showed districts where Republican incumbents were losing votes to Dems because of scandal…but what does it say about Republicans losing votes because of the war? it said little or nothing about it, and we all know the war weighs enormously on voters across the spectrum save for the mouth-breathing basement dwellers in the 28% JAR range.
I hope he chokes on the math this time; I hope it will frog-march him, too.
TeddySanFran @ 104
Heck yeah, Teddy. Nobody can liveblog like the sisterhood, but we can give it our best shot and loveblog!
TeddySanFran @ 26
I wonder too and fervently hope Bush hasn’t gutted such funding it if did actually existed. He and Darth Vader have been squandering our national treasure from day one.
burnspbesq @ 106
The available evidence indicates that HIV has been present in West Africa for over a century, but that it was not terribly widespread. HIV is a mutated SIV (simian immunodeficiency virus) and probably entered the human population from hunting and butchering monkeys or more likely chimpanzees (both of which are eaten). It probably remained confined to isolated rural communities initially. The forces of globalization have increased human movement locally as well as internationally, bringing people from those rural communities to the cities and spreading the virus and providing a venue for its transmission out of Africa.
Rayne @ 112
I still relish the quote from Shrub, shortly after the election; “Somebody wasn’t doing their job!” ;-)
Rayne:The Jennings presentation that Rove surely helped prepare showed districts where Republican incumbents were losing votes to Dems because of scandal…
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And what do they do to fix this problem? Hello Vitter…Abu, how’s it going?
slightly OT – graphs visuals & data
TribeScribe @ 118
dear gawd…
SnarKassandra @ 98
Yikes Cassie!
newspaperbrat @ 114
And systematically defunding/dismantling every manner of delivery!
Good evening dear friends. This evening’s snack is Chicago Deep Dish Pizza. Enjoy!
CTuttle @ 116
Yeah. That quote is going to catch up with him yet.
Just wait until we can REALLY get into the so-called “voter fraud” suits in relation to the U.S. Attorneys’ dismissals. As a diarist pointed out at DKos earlier today, conspiracy to violate civil rights is a felony punishable by 10-year sentences, and the job that somebody wasn’t doing was being done in some locales.
The day of reckoning is coming.
CTuttle @ 110
I think I see a bit of the ol’ post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy here.
South African truck drivers have been transporting goods around southern Africa since long before we knew there was a HIV virus. They’ve been having unprotected sex with prostitutes at truckstops for approximately the same length of time. What “causes” the spead of the virus, unprotected sex by a mobile population or the mobility of said population? And which behavior is easier to modify?
It just ain’t as simple as you’d like it to be.
Loo Hoo. @ 119
yep, these need to be posted everywhere.
good research & commentary at blue links, too.
TexB @ 122
Hmmmm. Yum! My Fav. 8~)
TeddySanFran @ 104
Go for it!
TexB @ 122
That’s not a pizza! That’s a planet!
Hi Betsy.
TexB @ 122
We’ll have to get some for real!
Loo Hoo. @ 129
Yes. I am drooling in anticipation. :)
Loo Hoo. @ 117
“Toobz” Stevens, Young, Murkowski…that’s most of Alaska’s Congressional delegation, all of them involved or implicated in unethical and likely illegal activities.
Imagine it, they are losing an ENTIRE STATE in spite of all their work diligently violating the Hatch Act across all government agencies to prop up “THE math” Karl was selling — and this doesn’t even begin to take into consideration what the Iraq War will also do to “THE math”.
burnspbesq @ 124
In many ways, it is the increasing concentration of population in cities along with an ever more globally mobile population. Think how quickly AIDS spread from a single source out of Africa to the rest of the world. It is also quite likely that when introduced to a new environment further mutations arose which facilitated the spread of the disease. Such events are quite common with the spread of diseases and HIV is notorious for the speed with which it mutates.
TexB @ 122
Yumm!
Hoping everything goes smoothly and as painlessly as possible tomorrow.
burnspbesq @ 124
I’m sorry for my omission that it is also a noted manner of infection within the Indian Sub-Continent and China too! The simplicity of it also belies the truth!
Rayne @ 131
uh, Rayne, that’s the entire Alaska delegation, not most of it.
Alaska’s state legislature could turn ice blue as well.
TeddySF – send me an email to newspaperbrat at gmail dot com when you have a minute.
~~~ModNote: Repaired in moderation.~~~
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 133
Thanks. They did a great job last time and I slept through the worst of it. No serious pain until evening, and I have something for that.
Weren’t we told once that there were SIXTY Congresscritters implicated in Abramoff? What’s holding up the Lewis, Doolittle & Hunter indictments? How big is that lid Abu is sitting on? Can anyone recess-appointed sit on it quite so prettily for the Preznit?
I wonder.
npb ygm
And why hasn’t Delay gone to court?
TeddySanFran @ 139
‘Just-Us’ is not in any hurry to move the prosecutions forward! Carol Lam/Dukester, hello!!!
TeddySanFran @ 139
Amazing how federal investigations involving Republicans never seem to get anywhere, isn’t it?
Loo Hoo. @ 141
Keeps getting delayed.
No seriously.
Some of the charges were dropped and I don’t know when he’s scheduled for. Keep hoping to get jury duty that week. We’re in the right county.
TexB @ 144
Now that would be fun. ;-)
DrDick @ 143
Yet, Dem prosecutions have moved remarkably quickly, if I might add!!! ;-)
NitePups: A direct quote from your Internet-embattled Late Nite moderator, Suzanne:
There it is!
TexB @ 144
Somehow, I get the feeling that you’d be dropped from the jury pool during the selection process.
Lawyer: Do you read any political blogs? If so, which ones?
Texas Betsy: Firedoglake.com
Lawyer: Thank you. Your honor, we ask that she be excused, for cause.
Judge: Cause?
Lawyer: She’s obviously aware of the whole sordid story, and knows the ins and out of the corruption . . . I mean, the alleged corruption around which this case revolves.
The Lurking Mod @ 147
YAY! Give ‘em hell Suze! We all miss you.
The Lurking Mod @ 147
Alas and alack, Ma Cheri shall not be present tonite!!!! 8-(
TexB @ 144
Smile pretty!
Peterr @ 148
But I didn’t get here until after Delay’s last set of headlines.
I pity the poor soul responsible for making a mod “madder than hell.”
Loo Hoo mailbox
The Lurking Mod @ 147
SUZANNE!
Thank you, lurking mod.
Peterr @ 153
Particularly THAT mod?
TexB @ 138
Good! we want you in top-notch form for Chicago! I’m sure the good energy there will really lift you up anyhow.
I’m bumming because i realized my babysitting commitment that prevented me from signing up for YK2 means I will be out of town and thus away from the internet thurs nite thru sunday nite. 8-(
I’ll have to speedread all the posts & threads from the archives 8-)
When are you & LooHoo arriving in the Windy City?
Peterr @ 148
Judge: and…?
Lawyer: and it’s Firedoglake, you know,
they’re hardcore
OT – Josh Marshall has an interesting article up regarding the NY Times editorial that names Cheney as the one who sent Gonzo and Card to visit Ashcroft.
Verrrry Interestin’…
Peterr @ 153
Especially our former lady cop. Does not present a pretty picture. ;~)
TexB @ 154
Got it, check yours.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 157
Weds afternoon.
DrDick @ 160
CT, you know what this means…
*cuffs*
d’oh! *g*
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 157
Take the kids to the library and you get online!
I arrive Wed. late afternoon.
time to climb out & dry off, g’night all you excellent pups.
Night ndfg. Sleep well.
Night newdeal.
OldCoastie @ 159
WOW!
Following you out of the Lake, newdeal. Getting all pruney fingers and toes, time to hit the hay.
‘Niters, FirePups, keep the Fire stoked and the Dog comfortable.
Night Rayne.
Loo Hoo. @ 164
oops, saw this just as i said goodnight… the grandson is 3 and goes like greased lightning but the library is a good idea. We’re going to stay at my mom’s in small wisc. town, i’ll check with her and see if they have internet connection at the library. Greatgrandma can handle him for a few minutes ;-)
Have ooodles of fun and good food!
TribeScribe @ 163
*Sigh*, I know!!! ;-)
DrDick @ 143
***
Speaking of which…whatever happened to Anne Coulter’s documented vote fraud that was apparently “fixed” by an FBI buddy?
CD @ 173
Being a Republican is the new Get Out of Jail Free Card.
sleep well farmgirl and rayne
Rayne @ 131
That is all of Alaska’s congressional delegation.
It is indeed possible that Alaska will lose its entire congressional congregation, but don’t bet on it. Don Young is vulnerable, and ET is working to help his only declared opponent, Diane Benson. More power to him for recognizing someone who is not afraid to get in at the start of a movement. It is likely that a more mainstream democrat will declare and get out in front of her parade. Previously, Ms. Benson was an unsuccessful Green party candidate for the Governorship, and democratic candidate vs. Don Young.
Don Young has problems connected to the Mariana Islands which is to say, Jack Abramoff. Benson couldn’t make this story sing in the last election, but that was then, and this is now. He also is the object of national ridicule, since the Bridge to Nowhere is his baby, but in Alaska it is widely felt that this ridicule is undeserved. He’s an earmark kind of guy, and he threatened to bite a colleague for messing with “his money” namely, an earmark for an important rural education program. A problem for him is that he has earmarked some programs in Florida and Wisconson with big benefits to big donors. It was recently announced that Young is the target of an FBI investigation.
Lisa Murkowski purchased some land at below fair market value, and when it came to light, she sold it back. In Alaska, this is small potatoes as scandals go, and it is way too early to count her out. She was elected to the seat she had been appointed to, which seat was vacated by her father, who appointed her when he became Governor. As slimy as that seems, don’t count on it getting traction because it didn’t in the last election, notwithstanding bumper stickers that said, “Yo, Lisa! Whose your daddy?”
Ted Stevens — or Uncle Ted, as he is widely known — has real legal problems. VECO, an oil-field service company, which, according to a recent indictment, “had no previous experience in the residential renovation business” performed an extensive remodel on his house, raising it up and building a lower story below it. The top executives of VECO have pled guilty, one state legislator has been convicted at trial, and three more await trial on said indictment. An unindicted co-conspirator is Uncle Ted’s son, Ben Stevens considered to be a horse’s ass by everyone except horse-lovers.
Ted is getting long in the tooth, and with the Dems in control, he is not likely to get the one thing he is hanging on to accomplish, viz., opening the ANWR (Arctic National Wildlife Reserve) to oil drilling. And so, the combination of these factors may well lead to Ted not re-upping. However, if he does choose to run, and he can keep the bracelets off his wrists, only a fool would bet against him. IIRC the last time he ran, his opponent was a well known woman with severe mental problems. She was actually able to get a TV commercial on the air, but only after the polls closed.
TeddySanFran @ 168
no shit, WOW! curiouser and curiouser…
Dang, I guess Petro hasn’t lost his pests err guests, yet!!! :-(
OldCoastie @ 177
I thought Comey inferred Shrub in his testimony!
CTuttle @ 179
Interesting article/post.
CTuttle @ 179
Actually, you inferred that Comey had implied.
CTuttle @ 179
I don’t think anyone really knows who sent them… I don’t think it has ever been stated.
CTuttle @ 179
from the transcript:
:)
Well, I think I will call it a night. Take care and enjoy the snark.
eh! eyelids slamming shut – night all…
I am interested in your take on this article.
nite doctor
Sleep well DrD and OldC
CTuttle @ 179
What Comey attributed to King Codpiece was “maybe” the call to Mrs. Ashcroft. NYT doesn’t cite a source, and didn’t report it in the news section. Abu said he “was there on behalf of the President of the U.S.” but would not state who sent him. Why Shumer didn’t call the sergeant at arms is a mystery to me, but he let it lay right there. It wouldn’t surprise me if the NYT editorial board said to its collective self, “If it was Bush, Gonzo would have said so, and nobody but Dead-eye Dick could speak for Bush.”
newtonusr @ 183
Yes, this is the call to Mrs. Ashcroft, obviously.
TeddySF – YHM
Think the NYT spoke to MR or MRS Ash?
OldCoastie @ 182
Abu said “on behalf of the President of the United States” but there’s been no more detail. As Josh points out, NYT editorials can be a place to put a known fact that’s not as well-sourced as it would need to be to appear in the news section. And, over at the WaPo, they always tell us the editorial writers do their own reporting.
newtonusr @ 183
Mahalo, newtonusr!!!
TexB @ 192
B, the NYT opines that Cheney sent Gonzales to see Ashcroft. Neither Mr. nor Mrs. A would know if that is true. Gonzo told them, I am sure, the same thing he told Congress: “I’m here on behalf of the President of the United States of America.”
DrDick @ 181
Very true!!!
BigMitch @ 190
I would make the argument that, if the call came from the White House, it’s irrelevant who actually placed the call, but on whose impetus the call was made. Who here thinks AbuG instructed Chimpy to call? The source of the call is the source of the visit.
But Mrs. A knows who called from the white house, no?
TexB @ 186
***
Tex B: Maybe it’s because I have no head for details and numbers, but the article is very confusing to me. Also, I was unaware of the 15,000 troops returning from Germany. Seems like a big deal to me, and I was wondering if the reporter didn’t “bury the lede” here…
I’d appreciate your impressions of this story.
TexB, here’s the hotel:
http://mccormickplace.hyatt.co…../index.jsp
BigMitch, did you get my mail?
BigMitch @ 195
It would be Cheney who would be concerned that it was the eve of his charade’s expiration date!!! I guarantee it wasn’t Shrub who was overly concerned about it!!! 8-)
CTut!
Dude – petro has new amigos, left the lake in his wake.
newtonusr @ 202
707!!! Traitor to the US! Oh, wait he’s Canadian!!! *g*
CD @ 199
I think the headline has nothing to do with the story. The real story is that they’re going back, not that they’re home.
CTuttle @ 203
I’m looking for some Canada-Smack, but the stereotypical “hoser”, “ey”, etc…
got.nothing.
newtonusr @ 197
Here’s the issue. Either Cheney or Bush decided upon the hospital visit. If it was Cheney, he could have instructed Bush to call Mrs. A and to call Gonzo. Or he could have done these things himself, and misrepresented that he was doing it on authority of the President. If it was Bush he could have directed Gonzo, and called Mrs. A. or he could have delegated these things to Dead-eye. Another possible is that Dick decided to do these things, and never talked it over with Bush, and never said he did. If this is so, Gonzo is a liar, unless he is doing some wacko “unitary executive” rationalization.
BigMitch @ 195
But I presumedly Mrs. Ashcroft would know who called her in the hospital.
Loo hoo, do you snore?
TexB @ 204
Ironically, 4th ID is going home! Prior to Ft. Hood, it’s history has placed at Ft. Carson since Ft. Carson has been a Post!!! When the bulk of the Braac was occurring during the early 90’s, 4th ID was moved to Hood!!!
Loo Hoo. @ 200
no :-(
Try mitch at schapira dot org
TexB @ 208
Now you ask!!! *g*
Imagine my surprise.
According to this, Gonzo has been lying on behalf of Dubya since at least 1996.
Perhaps the calls were made after 9pm; past Shrub’s bedtime, so the NYT presumed it was Cheney?
BigMitch @ 206
Just because I believe Chimpy is incapable of drawing a legal distinction, I think Shooter turns to Addington and says “make this legal”, turns to Chimpy and says “we need this”, and turns to AbuG and Andy and says “ride…”
CTuttle @ 211
NOW i am listening to your little SK in her bedroom.
But I presumedly Mrs. Ashcroft would know who called her in the hospital.
Can anyone dissect that sentence? Apologies all around!
I knew whatcha meant, LH
TexB @ 208
Ha ha ha. No, do you? (howling!)
Hmmm…political discontent slipping into “mainstream” culture? Check out today’s episode of the newspaper comic strip “Foxtrot.”
newtonusr @ 214
Do you realize the implications of what you are saying??? If you are correct, that would mean that the chief law enforcement officer of the United States was less than forthcoming in the Senate of the United States. How can a republic survive if this is so?
Loo Hoo. @ 216
Yeah, but it’s hard to imagine a Congressional subpoena for Janet Ashcroft. And John isn’t talking.
Loo Hoo. @ 218
You assume I actually sleep.
No, don’t think so. But I’ve been known to talk in my sleep.
burnspbesq @ 212
“The grilling he’s enduring right now is beyond anything he had ever experienced in his life. He was ill prepared for it,”
That is an understatement!!!
But seriously, Newt, we underestimate Bush at our own risk.
I’m sure that “on behalf of the President of the United States” means, when Abu sez it, “Cheney sent me.” Otherwise he would say, proudly, “The President of the United States sent me.” I’m just amazed, as is JMM, to see the NYT make the leap. Betcha they have sourced it. But who?
Loo Hoo. @ 218
Too good to pass up, Eh??? *g*
BigMitch @ 220
My imagination knows no bounds…
newtonusr @ 221
I do not find it hard to imagine that a Congressional subpoena be served on Mrs. Ashcroft. The good Christian may be delighted to rat the rats out.
DrDick @ 132
Indeed, the issue is complex. But increasing globalization ~ and the more truckers, immigrant contract laborers without spouses, and impoverished women who become prostitutes to feed their families~ are a part of that complexity…are certainly relevant. These are the “landscapes” in which sexual epidemics can spread. Other diseases can spread more rapidly even without the sex-realted factors. Global air travel, container shipping of agricultural products, tied to poverty, increasing urbanization, etc. can all increase the probabilty of a disease that might have remained isolated (and thus die out with isolated carriers…or evolve to less virulent strains over generations) becoming a global pandemic.
Not sure if any of this is related to the “post hoc, ergo prompter hoc” fallacy. It’s actually cause and effect…with the networks of truckers, and prostitutes…playing a critical factor in the spread of HIV. “Post hoc” fallacies are when an UNRELATED event that follows is attributed to being caused by a prior event (or set of factors) simply because they preceded them. This is nothing of the sort!
It’s interesting that the Bush Administration has YET AGAIN played “See No Evil” with the Scientists and Health Professionals because it might result in the public hearing about approaches that are “anti-business”. Yet another appointee with utterly inappropriate credentials (like “Doing A Great Job” Brownie) censored the Surgeon Generals report on the relationship of POVERTY and DISEASE..and global pandemic risks.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01420.html
Hiya, Gang!
Family reunion over, Mom and Ms. ET finishing the last of the cleanup – I did my part, too, The entire family, except my youngest brother’s wife, are lefties and far lefties. But we didn’t talk a whole lot of politics – what’s the use? My son sang a great rendition of “Plastic Jesus,” with three cousins also playing and singing. Everybody’s on the road out of this part of town or headed down I-5 now.
TeddySanFran @ 225
You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to recoil in horror at the sleaziness of what they were doing. Under the circumstances, even “Dumb Dubya” (see 224, supra.) might want to keep his fingerprints off it. And more to the point, Gonzo, with his famous loyalty to W, and disloyalty to the Constitution, might well want to keep W’s fingerprints off it.
An important element of the entire scenario as I envision it is that the White House, including Gonzo, is spoiling for a fight over executive privilege. This could have been some red meat waved in front Shumer to provoke that fight. Alternatively, he is afraid of waiving executive privilege in this matter by reporting part of a conversation.
Welcome home ET. Pizza up a few hours from here.
O/T:
Perjury indictment may be the LEAST of Gonzo’s problems, by SilentBob, Jul 29, 2007.
If a special prosecutor is named to investigate Gonzales, the scope should be wide enough to get into the issues SilentBob raises, which could result in a whole series of indictments.
Bob in HI
newtonusr @ 221
I would imagine that they could simply ask…and she would tell them…without a subpoena. Perhaps she already has ;-)
TeddySanFran @ 225
I suppose this will turn into confusion all around. Who told Bolton and Abu to go render a semi-conscious man liable for illegal wiretapping on a massive scale? I don’t know, I can’t recall, I don’t remember recollecting type shit. And they would have let Ashcroft go to jail for it.
Ed*ard Teller @ 230
When WWII broke out in Europe, my father went to enlist in the navy. As he went into the recruiting office, the officer was singing, “I don’t care if it rains or freezes….” My father took this as a sign, and left without enlisting. He went across the street and enlisted in the Army.
Fun quiz: get your liberal-to-conservative ranked score.
I got a three.
Ed*ard Teller @ 230
Plastic Jesus? Sounds interesting. How do you get home? Does the I-5 go north from Washington? Can’t be or we’d have -hold it- intercontinental highways!
cinnamonape @ 234
The SJC staff has interviewed Ashcroft, and perhaps the Mrs as well, behind closed doors already. So the accusations of Abu perjury may not be guesses. They may be fact.
This may be old news but it is new to me and on topic -
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0729.html
new threadiness
newspaperbrat @ 240
Thanks!
Hey gang, did I mention that I got a zed earlier today? Well, guess what happened upstairs?
reverse epu’d
Time for me to get some sleep and hope my stomach settles down a bit. Odd to be nervous about something painful and something exciting, both at the same time. But here I sit.
Night all.
TeddySanFran @ 139
Corruption is a huge issue in some red areas like mine (often seems it’s the only issue that really bothers anyone). I stay uneasy that the next indictments might be selective, highly partisan and strategically timed. The delays dealing with Jefferson and now info re: the new prosecution rules heighten my discomfort. It would be quite difficult for any outsider to accurately assess when a case might be ripe for prosecution.. I have no illusion that all of the Dems are indictment proof.. even if some couldn’t be convicted.
Facing the Challenges of HIV/AIDS
Around the world, more than 47 million people are now infected with the HIV/AIDS, It is now a weapon of mankind destruction. It has killed more than 30 million people worldwide according to UNAID and WHO reports since the 1st of December 1981 when it was first recognized. This makes it the worst recorded pandemic in the history of pandemics against mankind. In 2006 alone, it was reported to have killed between 2.5 to 3.5 million people with more than 380000 as children. The large number of these people killed is from the sub Saharan Africa. In some Sub-Saharan African countries, HIV/AIDS is expected to lower life expectancy by as much as 25 years.
AIDS is no longer a problem of medication. It is a problem of development. It is not just an individual hardship. It also threatens to decimate the future prospects of poor countries, wiping away years of hard-won improvements in development indicators. As a result of the disease, many poor countries are witnessing a worsening in child survival rates, reduced life expectancy, crumbling and over-burdened health care systems, the breakdown of family structures and the decimation of a generation in the prime of their working lives.
Bangladesh’s socio-economic status, traditional social ills, cultural myths on sex and sexuality and a huge population of marginalised people make it extremely vulnerable to the HIV/AIDS epidemic. Everyone buying sex in Bangladesh is having unprotected sex some of the time, and a large majority don’t use condoms most of the time. Behaviors that bring the highest risk of infection in Bangladesh are unprotected sex between sex workers and their clients, needle sharing and unprotected sex between men.
Though the country overall has a low prevalence rate, it has reported concentrated epidemics among vulnerable population such as IDUs. There are already localized epidemics within vulnerable groups in, and the virus would spread among the IDUs’ family or sexual partner. According to the social development spec*al*st and AIDS researcher Mohammad Khairul Alam, “It should be realized that there is no alternative to develop and enhance life skills of vulnerable girls and women to cope with epidemic. They may be assisted on the various levels to become engaged in grooming their confidence and organized. At the same time, their voices should be allowed to be heard loud and clear. Thus the collective effort of women is born with the sense or purpose that they will be stirred up to share perceptions improving their access to reproductive health related information and services.”
In many poor countries, commercial female sex workers are frequently exposed to HIV and other sexually transmitted infections (STIs/STDs). Where sex workers have poor access to health care and HIV prevention services, HIV prevalence can be as high as 50-90%. Evidence shows that targeted prevention interventions in sex work settings can turn the pandemic around.
Bangladesh is a high prevalence of sexually transmitted diseases, particularly among commercial sex workers; there are available injection drug users and sex workers all over the country, low condom use in the general population. Considering the high prevalence of HIV risk factors among the Bangladeshi population, HIV prevention research is particularly important for Bangladesh. It is very awful, several organization in Bangladesh are working only to prevent HIV/AIDS but few of them like as ‘Rainbow Nari O Shishu Kallyan Foundation’ try to develop proper strategic plane, so should increase research based organization recently.
Poverty in Bangladesh is a deeply entrenched and complex phenomenon. Sequentially, the HIV/AIDS epidemic amplifies and become deeper poverty by its serious economic impact on individuals, households and different sectors of the economy. Poverty is the reason why messages of prevention and control do not make an impact on a vast majority of the vulnerable population.
Sources: World Bank, UNAIDS, UNICEF.
Kh. Zahir Hossain
M & E Spec*al*st (BWSPP)
The World Bank
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Mobile: 01711453171
Zahir.hossain@gmail.com
~~~ModNote: edited to clear filters.~~~
Well, you will have to accept an endemic level of a killer disease. People are stupid (especially when it comes to sex) and shit happens. So a stable level is good news, as there are only to ways to actually get rid of a disease : a) a cure, and b) branding, interning, and/or killing infected people. There’s no a) and we definitely don’t want b), so we should be very happy about “endemic” and, yes, accept it. Acceptance means less hope, but also includes normality, and less stigma.
as someone who actually has AIDS, let me add this. those infected now will have years of future options available. those like me, who have been positive since the early 80s before there was much information are still suffering as I am. any reduction of importance to this crisis affects all communities, mine included. the crisis has not ended until we can all be cured. until then, we should accept it as the health crisis it continues to be.