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	<title>Comments on: The Case Against Gonzales</title>
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		<title>By: BHatten</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/28/the-case-against-gonzales/#comment-857358</link>
		<dc:creator>BHatten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Doesn’t there have to be some way, as mentioned above, when we are talking about illegal activities to get around some of the sanctions/protections etc.  Whether the Special counsel, some sort of immunity, in camera, whatever; the catch 22 is too disgusting &amp; gives way too much protection to the bad guys, coverup.  Who can say enough; the game is over&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn’t there have to be some way, as mentioned above, when we are talking about illegal activities to get around some of the sanctions/protections etc.  Whether the Special counsel, some sort of immunity, in camera, whatever; the catch 22 is too disgusting &amp; gives way too much protection to the bad guys, coverup.  Who can say enough; the game is over</p>
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		<title>By: carol lam</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/28/the-case-against-gonzales/#comment-857156</link>
		<dc:creator>carol lam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003805.php#comments&quot;&gt;http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/ar.....p#comments&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think that what the WH has done is to split the programs, as mentioned. &lt;b&gt;Both are SAP (special access programs) which means that even revealing the existence of a program that is SAP means instant jail time.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Make no mistake, Mueller and others understand the threat to them, and so do the questioners. If Mueller says, “No, it was another program,” he goes to jail, put there by the Administration.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What’s even more fun is that the gang of 8 isn’t approved for some of these SAP programs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The president has the authority to declassify whatever he wants, and presumably Gonzales is using that authority. Hamsher described AG as “selectively declassifying” material to bolster his case.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s something really ugly being hidden here. And it’s quite a chess game going on, too, since lots of people, Senators, Congressmen, and civil servants, know things that they can’t say in public.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>I think that what the WH has done is to split the programs, as mentioned. <b>Both are SAP (special access programs) which means that even revealing the existence of a program that is SAP means instant jail time.</b></p>
<p>Make no mistake, Mueller and others understand the threat to them, and so do the questioners. If Mueller says, “No, it was another program,” he goes to jail, put there by the Administration.</p>
<p>What’s even more fun is that the gang of 8 isn’t approved for some of these SAP programs.</p>
<p>The president has the authority to declassify whatever he wants, and presumably Gonzales is using that authority. Hamsher described AG as “selectively declassifying” material to bolster his case.</p>
<p>There’s something really ugly being hidden here. And it’s quite a chess game going on, too, since lots of people, Senators, Congressmen, and civil servants, know things that they can’t say in public.</p>
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		<title>By: carol lam</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/28/the-case-against-gonzales/#comment-857154</link>
		<dc:creator>carol lam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It is clear that the DLC is an enemy of citizen-based (as opposed to corporate-based) government. Now Bush is an even bigger enemy, as are the organized fundies. But, Bushand the fundies are insane. You have to crush them to make them stop.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
But, the DLC are just a cynical bunch of corporate whores. They even pretend to be reasonable.&lt;/b&gt;  I submit that the DLC are our weakest opponent. We should go after them right now. We&lt;br /&gt;
should crucify them for pandering to Bush and adopting his secrecy over the trade bill.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We should put them on record as opposing any change in the status quo in Iraq. Weshould make them admit that Iraq Government Benchmark #1 is to write a law that letsour OIL companies rip off their profits.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, even if we get rid of the DLC, we then have to win an election during which the whole”You lost Iraq” meme will be played at full volume. It will take real guts for a nominnee tostand up to the lies the media and sell-outs like Liebereman will throw at them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, yes, I’m outraged. And, I am not at all certain that we can pull this one out. &lt;b&gt;If Hillary gets in, we will have something like 36 years of the country being run by two families whose “pater familiases” are joined at the hip. That’s not a democracy in my book……. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We absolutely N&lt;b&gt;EED a non-DLC &lt;/b&gt;set of candidates nominated!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is clear that the DLC is an enemy of citizen-based (as opposed to corporate-based) government. Now Bush is an even bigger enemy, as are the organized fundies. But, Bushand the fundies are insane. You have to crush them to make them stop.<br />
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But, the DLC are just a cynical bunch of corporate whores. They even pretend to be reasonable.</b>  I submit that the DLC are our weakest opponent. We should go after them right now. We<br />
should crucify them for pandering to Bush and adopting his secrecy over the trade bill.</p>
<p>We should put them on record as opposing any change in the status quo in Iraq. Weshould make them admit that Iraq Government Benchmark #1 is to write a law that letsour OIL companies rip off their profits.</p>
<p>And, even if we get rid of the DLC, we then have to win an election during which the whole”You lost Iraq” meme will be played at full volume. It will take real guts for a nominnee tostand up to the lies the media and sell-outs like Liebereman will throw at them.</p>
<p>So, yes, I’m outraged. And, I am not at all certain that we can pull this one out. <b>If Hillary gets in, we will have something like 36 years of the country being run by two families whose “pater familiases” are joined at the hip. That’s not a democracy in my book……. </b></p>
<p>We absolutely N<b>EED a non-DLC </b>set of candidates nominated!</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/28/the-case-against-gonzales/#comment-856816</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-856611&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Dennis @ 182&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Cut to the chase.  There was an illegal program he admits existed.  We need to go after that.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And not only did Bush authorize this illegal program and run it for 6-months…he continued to attempt to IMPOSE it after the DOJ told him that it WAS ILLEGAL. Even after the Gang Of Eight told them that they had serious issues with the program when they were FINALLY informed of its scope. Bush even tried to get the non-acting AG, under sedation, to put his signature on it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;AND when he couldn’t…they got it ILLEGALLY AUTHORIZED (unless there are secret Executive Orders out there changing the authorization system) by the President to keep it running.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;AND they attempted to run with this ILLEGAL LAW until the Acting AG Comey, Ashcroft, and FBI Director Mueller as well as Senior staffers in their Departments threatened to resign en masse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then, and only then, did Bush back down.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And then he announced that all these articles in the NY Times and Washington Post were in error…announcing a “revised program” (the TSP)…which was NOT what these articles were actually about (for all it’s flaws). He thus lied about the content of the actual program in operation to the Public and most of Congress.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the Gang of 8 were restrained from telling their fellow members in Congress the difference between the ORIGINAL OPERATION and the revised announced” program. But someone should tell these Congresspeople that they can, in fact, reveal this information…as it deals with illegal activities. In fact they are compelled to do so as government officials.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-856611"><em>Dennis @ 182</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Cut to the chase.  There was an illegal program he admits existed.  We need to go after that.</p>
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<p>And not only did Bush authorize this illegal program and run it for 6-months…he continued to attempt to IMPOSE it after the DOJ told him that it WAS ILLEGAL. Even after the Gang Of Eight told them that they had serious issues with the program when they were FINALLY informed of its scope. Bush even tried to get the non-acting AG, under sedation, to put his signature on it.</p>
<p>AND when he couldn’t…they got it ILLEGALLY AUTHORIZED (unless there are secret Executive Orders out there changing the authorization system) by the President to keep it running.</p>
<p>AND they attempted to run with this ILLEGAL LAW until the Acting AG Comey, Ashcroft, and FBI Director Mueller as well as Senior staffers in their Departments threatened to resign en masse.</p>
<p>Then, and only then, did Bush back down.</p>
<p>And then he announced that all these articles in the NY Times and Washington Post were in error…announcing a “revised program” (the TSP)…which was NOT what these articles were actually about (for all it’s flaws). He thus lied about the content of the actual program in operation to the Public and most of Congress.</p>
<p>But the Gang of 8 were restrained from telling their fellow members in Congress the difference between the ORIGINAL OPERATION and the revised announced” program. But someone should tell these Congresspeople that they can, in fact, reveal this information…as it deals with illegal activities. In fact they are compelled to do so as government officials.</p>
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		<title>By: preznit giv me turkee</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/28/the-case-against-gonzales/#comment-856659</link>
		<dc:creator>preznit giv me turkee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 04:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;why does that picture of Abu and aWol remind me of &lt;a href=&quot;http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/0/08/Bergenmccarthy.jpg&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why does that picture of Abu and aWol remind me of <a href="http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/0/08/Bergenmccarthy.jpg">this</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/28/the-case-against-gonzales/#comment-856611</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 03:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cut to the chase.  There was an illegal program he admits existed.  We need to go after that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cut to the chase.  There was an illegal program he admits existed.  We need to go after that.</p>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/28/the-case-against-gonzales/#comment-856592</link>
		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 03:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cheney had gobs of “experience,” and we all know how well that’s going for the country.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheney had gobs of “experience,” and we all know how well that’s going for the country.</p>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/28/the-case-against-gonzales/#comment-856570</link>
		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 03:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If the story I read is true, that Hillary supports torture in the exceptional circumstance of the “ticking time bomb” scenario, then this and her vote on Iraq makes it impossible for me to vote for her, even if she is the Democratic nominee.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the story I read is true, that Hillary supports torture in the exceptional circumstance of the “ticking time bomb” scenario, then this and her vote on Iraq makes it impossible for me to vote for her, even if she is the Democratic nominee.</p>
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		<title>By: Marretta</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/28/the-case-against-gonzales/#comment-856485</link>
		<dc:creator>Marretta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 02:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just want to offer my agreement of the skin crawling thing with the southern accents. I was raised in a small southern town where the townies had the pronounced drawl and the people who worked at the medical school or university didn’t. To me, a deep southern accent has always sounded ignorant and I have to say, Dubya hasn’t helped me overcome my prejudice. I’m not proud of feeling this way, but It is an honest emotion based on experience. Never met a proud member of the KKK that didn’t have that accent.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to offer my agreement of the skin crawling thing with the southern accents. I was raised in a small southern town where the townies had the pronounced drawl and the people who worked at the medical school or university didn’t. To me, a deep southern accent has always sounded ignorant and I have to say, Dubya hasn’t helped me overcome my prejudice. I’m not proud of feeling this way, but It is an honest emotion based on experience. Never met a proud member of the KKK that didn’t have that accent.</p>
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		<title>By: BHatten</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/28/the-case-against-gonzales/#comment-856466</link>
		<dc:creator>BHatten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 02:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am a big Obama fan, and I am reading his biography right now.  His writing is pristine, as one would expect, clear and moving.  I have been a little surprised that he has not been more colorful in the debates.  His convention speech was powerful and visionary.  I know it’s early, as said, but I do hope he begins to transmit a little more energy.  Most everyone has been so impressed by the ease and clarity of Clinton’s performance; more poise, less abrasive, I guess.  I know he can be more commanding than he has shown.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a big Obama fan, and I am reading his biography right now.  His writing is pristine, as one would expect, clear and moving.  I have been a little surprised that he has not been more colorful in the debates.  His convention speech was powerful and visionary.  I know it’s early, as said, but I do hope he begins to transmit a little more energy.  Most everyone has been so impressed by the ease and clarity of Clinton’s performance; more poise, less abrasive, I guess.  I know he can be more commanding than he has shown.</p>
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