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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/28/late-night-of-the-living-bipartisans/#comment-857150</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-856800&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;james @ 180&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Geral Ford’s pardon of Nixon specified for crimes that may have been committed from the date Nixon took the oath until 9 August 74.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mary Jo White commenced an action in SDNY targeting Clinton’s pardon of Rich and she was able to get her hands on documents that Congress had been denied due to privilege assertions on the part of Clinton. When there’s a criminal action the privilege shield is lowered.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As far as pardons being revocable, I don’t think that’s true, although I’m sure if the pardon or commutation is viewed as a quid pro quo the DoJ ( a functioning DoJ) could commence a criminal investigation to  determine if a bribery charge would be feasible.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ford certainly did GIVE a blanket pardon. But that was NEVER challenged in court. Congress simply went along with it. It was never litigated.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Imagine if I was a President, and issued a secret pardon “for all crimes that occured by certain officials, during my term of office”.&lt;br /&gt;
My agents would have, essentially, a “license to kill” throughout my term…and I could keep this “pardon” secret until I left office.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This would be precisely the sort of abuses that are enunciated against King George III by the Continental Congress, and were the sorts of abuses that were of concern to the Framers. I can’t conceive that such was their “intent” in allowing the use of a Presidential pardon. The constant decried the monarchs use of pardon for allowing his own agents to act illegally.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think that the Courts would certainly judge as Constitutional any law that required a specific listing of charge/convictions that a pardon covered, as well as requiring the pardon to be made public.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-856800"><em>james @ 180</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Geral Ford’s pardon of Nixon specified for crimes that may have been committed from the date Nixon took the oath until 9 August 74.</p>
<p>Mary Jo White commenced an action in SDNY targeting Clinton’s pardon of Rich and she was able to get her hands on documents that Congress had been denied due to privilege assertions on the part of Clinton. When there’s a criminal action the privilege shield is lowered.</p>
<p>As far as pardons being revocable, I don’t think that’s true, although I’m sure if the pardon or commutation is viewed as a quid pro quo the DoJ ( a functioning DoJ) could commence a criminal investigation to  determine if a bribery charge would be feasible.</p>
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<p>Ford certainly did GIVE a blanket pardon. But that was NEVER challenged in court. Congress simply went along with it. It was never litigated.</p>
<p>Imagine if I was a President, and issued a secret pardon “for all crimes that occured by certain officials, during my term of office”.<br />
My agents would have, essentially, a “license to kill” throughout my term…and I could keep this “pardon” secret until I left office.</p>
<p>This would be precisely the sort of abuses that are enunciated against King George III by the Continental Congress, and were the sorts of abuses that were of concern to the Framers. I can’t conceive that such was their “intent” in allowing the use of a Presidential pardon. The constant decried the monarchs use of pardon for allowing his own agents to act illegally.</p>
<p>I think that the Courts would certainly judge as Constitutional any law that required a specific listing of charge/convictions that a pardon covered, as well as requiring the pardon to be made public.</p>
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		<title>By: bernarda</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/28/late-night-of-the-living-bipartisans/#comment-857114</link>
		<dc:creator>bernarda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Neo-nazi war criminal, organizer of death squads in Central America, John Negroponte is a “moderate” for this stupid twit?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo-nazi war criminal, organizer of death squads in Central America, John Negroponte is a “moderate” for this stupid twit?</p>
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		<title>By: Metrodorus</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/28/late-night-of-the-living-bipartisans/#comment-856999</link>
		<dc:creator>Metrodorus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Princeton is a really right-wing place.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Princeton is a really right-wing place.</p>
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		<title>By: Boston1775</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/28/late-night-of-the-living-bipartisans/#comment-856953</link>
		<dc:creator>Boston1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EPU’d&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;squiddy  says:&lt;br /&gt;
July 28th, 2007 at 3:41 pm&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m reading the ESPN story recommended by Boston 1775. (#342)&lt;br /&gt;
It answers LOTS of questions we were throwing around last night.&lt;br /&gt;
Excellent article. Thanks, Boston.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can’t belIEVE this whole thing started just to save one (expletive expletive expletive) broken down Hummer.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EPU’d</p>
<p>squiddy  says:<br />
July 28th, 2007 at 3:41 pm</p>
<p>I’m reading the ESPN story recommended by Boston 1775. (#342)<br />
It answers LOTS of questions we were throwing around last night.<br />
Excellent article. Thanks, Boston.</p>
<p>I can’t belIEVE this whole thing started just to save one (expletive expletive expletive) broken down Hummer.</p>
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		<title>By: Boston1775</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/28/late-night-of-the-living-bipartisans/#comment-856944</link>
		<dc:creator>Boston1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-856925&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Elliott @ 295&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-856924&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Boston1775 @ 294&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The second Tillman hearing is scheduled for August 1st.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s the link to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1267&quot;&gt;Tillman/Lynch Hearing&lt;/a&gt; of April, 2007.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so do you buy ONeal’s story?  I’m completely confused about what really happened.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;O’Neal spoke up on the first debriefing of the entire unit (those fired upon and those who did the firing) and said that Pat Tillman saved his life.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;O’Neal was nineteen years old and Pat Tillman had taken him under his wing.  O’Neal and Tillman spent a lot of time together and O’Neal’s love for Tillman is expressed in his interviews.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When the firing began, Pat, O’Neal and the Afghani took cover behind some rocks.  O’Neal’s was six or seven feet long and only a foot high.  O’Neal expected to die.  Pat was behind a larger rock and was better protected. (I am satisfied that there is evidence for this.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The kid said he started praying, expecting to die, and Pat told him that he had an idea.  Somehow Pat exposed himself as he threw smoke and began to get shot. (In the ESPN series, Tillman is reported to have shots in the arm, a hole through the leg - as reported by a soldier who saw it - and the shots in the forehead.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So far, I am satisfied that O’Neal’s description of his experiences are valid.  He was put under pressure to change his story and he hasn’t.  He was pressured out of the Rangers when he was the only one left who’d taken fire.&lt;br /&gt;
He started to break down under the extreme psychological pressure, drink heavily (Jesus, he’s just a kid!), and finally got some psychological help.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His story has apparently stayed the same.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-856925"><em>Elliott @ 295</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-856924"><em>Boston1775 @ 294</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The second Tillman hearing is scheduled for August 1st.</p>
<p>Here’s the link to the <a href="http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1267">Tillman/Lynch Hearing</a> of April, 2007.</p>
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<p>so do you buy ONeal’s story?  I’m completely confused about what really happened.</p>
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<p>O’Neal spoke up on the first debriefing of the entire unit (those fired upon and those who did the firing) and said that Pat Tillman saved his life.  </p>
<p>O’Neal was nineteen years old and Pat Tillman had taken him under his wing.  O’Neal and Tillman spent a lot of time together and O’Neal’s love for Tillman is expressed in his interviews.  </p>
<p>When the firing began, Pat, O’Neal and the Afghani took cover behind some rocks.  O’Neal’s was six or seven feet long and only a foot high.  O’Neal expected to die.  Pat was behind a larger rock and was better protected. (I am satisfied that there is evidence for this.)</p>
<p>The kid said he started praying, expecting to die, and Pat told him that he had an idea.  Somehow Pat exposed himself as he threw smoke and began to get shot. (In the ESPN series, Tillman is reported to have shots in the arm, a hole through the leg &#8211; as reported by a soldier who saw it &#8211; and the shots in the forehead.)</p>
<p>So far, I am satisfied that O’Neal’s description of his experiences are valid.  He was put under pressure to change his story and he hasn’t.  He was pressured out of the Rangers when he was the only one left who’d taken fire.<br />
He started to break down under the extreme psychological pressure, drink heavily (Jesus, he’s just a kid!), and finally got some psychological help.</p>
<p>His story has apparently stayed the same.</p>
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		<title>By: twolf1</title>
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		<dc:creator>twolf1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/07/29/sunday-talking-head-thread-63/&quot;&gt;New thread…&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/07/29/sunday-talking-head-thread-63/">New thread…</a></p>
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		<title>By: things come undone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/28/late-night-of-the-living-bipartisans/#comment-856929</link>
		<dc:creator>things come undone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-856913&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Marion in Savannah @ 287&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;thingscomeundone @ 285:  Mr. Rich merely reports, to the best of anyone’s ability to scrounge around in there, on the current status of Bush’s thoughts.  It’s scary country where I wouldn’t want to travel…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry Marion you and Rich are good people its just that reporting the facts and Bush’s state of mind well that conflict is what I was trying to point out.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-856913"><em>Marion in Savannah @ 287</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>thingscomeundone @ 285:  Mr. Rich merely reports, to the best of anyone’s ability to scrounge around in there, on the current status of Bush’s thoughts.  It’s scary country where I wouldn’t want to travel…</p>
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<p>Sorry Marion you and Rich are good people its just that reporting the facts and Bush’s state of mind well that conflict is what I was trying to point out.</p>
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		<title>By: things come undone</title>
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		<dc:creator>things come undone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Some Dork in Texas just confessed to attempting to bomb an abortion clinic.&lt;br /&gt;
       Its a good thing the Presidents Executive Order allowing for the Treasury Dept to sieze property and assets without a trial is limited to anyone hindering the Iraqi government or reconstruction efforts.&lt;br /&gt;
      Not one word about domestic terroists.&lt;br /&gt;
Pat Robertson and the Moral Majority must be thanking their lucky stars unofficaly I bet they are still acting as a front providing money for the Abortion clinic bombers.&lt;br /&gt;
    Does anyone really think there really is a lot of Americans giving money to Al Quieda?&lt;br /&gt;
    Probably not but as Bush defines stabilty in Iraq as staying there forever then there is a lot of oppostion. This Executive Order seems unnecesary unless it was aimed at us.&lt;br /&gt;
    I can’t believe it took me this long to realize this bill isn’t against terroists domestic and foreign. Heck its not even against foreign terroists just ones who oppose the Iraqi government and reconstruction efforts.&lt;br /&gt;
        Shining Path in Peru, the IRA, FALN, the Klan all the terroists domestic and foreign are safe just so long as they don’t support the oppostion to Iraq’s government.&lt;br /&gt;
        Is the GOP getting campaign cash from the Terrorists now?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some Dork in Texas just confessed to attempting to bomb an abortion clinic.<br />
       Its a good thing the Presidents Executive Order allowing for the Treasury Dept to sieze property and assets without a trial is limited to anyone hindering the Iraqi government or reconstruction efforts.<br />
      Not one word about domestic terroists.<br />
Pat Robertson and the Moral Majority must be thanking their lucky stars unofficaly I bet they are still acting as a front providing money for the Abortion clinic bombers.<br />
    Does anyone really think there really is a lot of Americans giving money to Al Quieda?<br />
    Probably not but as Bush defines stabilty in Iraq as staying there forever then there is a lot of oppostion. This Executive Order seems unnecesary unless it was aimed at us.<br />
    I can’t believe it took me this long to realize this bill isn’t against terroists domestic and foreign. Heck its not even against foreign terroists just ones who oppose the Iraqi government and reconstruction efforts.<br />
        Shining Path in Peru, the IRA, FALN, the Klan all the terroists domestic and foreign are safe just so long as they don’t support the oppostion to Iraq’s government.<br />
        Is the GOP getting campaign cash from the Terrorists now?</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-856924&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Boston1775 @ 294&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The second Tillman hearing is scheduled for August 1st.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s the link to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1267&quot;&gt;Tillman/Lynch Hearing&lt;/a&gt; of April, 2007.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so do you buy ONeal’s story?  I’m completely confused about what really happened.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-856924"><em>Boston1775 @ 294</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The second Tillman hearing is scheduled for August 1st.</p>
<p>Here’s the link to the <a href="http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1267">Tillman/Lynch Hearing</a> of April, 2007.</p>
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<p>so do you buy ONeal’s story?  I’m completely confused about what really happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Boston1775</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boston1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The second Tillman hearing is scheduled for August 1st.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s the link to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1267&quot;&gt;Tillman/Lynch Hearing&lt;/a&gt; of April, 2007.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The second Tillman hearing is scheduled for August 1st.</p>
<p>Here’s the link to the <a href="http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1267">Tillman/Lynch Hearing</a> of April, 2007.</p>
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