Comments on: Late Late Nite FDL: Soldiers Who Tell the Truth Must Be Destroyed http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:13:08 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: squiddy http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-856122 squiddy Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:41:47 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-856122 <p>I’m reading the ESPN story recommended by Boston 1775. (#342)<br /> It answers LOTS of questions we were throwing around last night.<br /> Excellent article. Thanks, Boston.</p> <p>I can’t belIEVE this whole thing started just to save one (expletive expletive expletive) broken down Hummer.</p> I’m reading the ESPN story recommended by Boston 1775. (#342)
It answers LOTS of questions we were throwing around last night.
Excellent article. Thanks, Boston.

I can’t belIEVE this whole thing started just to save one (expletive expletive expletive) broken down Hummer.

]]> By: caelestis http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-855976 caelestis Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:54:59 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-855976 <p>Here is a letter from the 1SGT of Beauchamp’s company……..As an Iraq war vet and not partisan either way, I can tell you his story stinks to high heavens. It will be outed that he lied…….Anyway here’s his 1SGT</p> <p>SFC McElroy,</p> <p>I’m not in the habit of answering these email’s. It would be far too many. I appreciate all the support from home and I can assure you that not a single word of this was true. We’ve been fighting this fight for quite some time. Numerous soldiers within my unit have served on several deployments and this is my third year as a First Sergeant in this unit. My soldiers conduct is consistently honorable. This soldier has other underlining issues which I’m sure will come out in the course of the investigation. No one at any of the post we live at or frequent, remotely fit the descriptions of any of the persons depicted in this young man’s fairy tale. I can’t and won’t divulge any information regarding this soldier, but I do sincerely appreciate all the support from the people back home. Again, this young man has a vivid imagination and I promise you that this by no means reflects the truth of what is happening here. I’m currently serving with the best America has to offer. I have worked and fought closely with every soldier within my company and they are consummate professionals in an area most people can’t fathom. I’m proud of my soldiers and would gladly give my life for any one of them. Please continue to keep them with you in your prayers and thank God that we have these courageous men willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for their country, Americans, and the people of this struggling nation.</p> <p>Sincerely,</p> <p>1SG Hatley</p> Here is a letter from the 1SGT of Beauchamp’s company……..As an Iraq war vet and not partisan either way, I can tell you his story stinks to high heavens. It will be outed that he lied…….Anyway here’s his 1SGT

SFC McElroy,

I’m not in the habit of answering these email’s. It would be far too many. I appreciate all the support from home and I can assure you that not a single word of this was true. We’ve been fighting this fight for quite some time. Numerous soldiers within my unit have served on several deployments and this is my third year as a First Sergeant in this unit. My soldiers conduct is consistently honorable. This soldier has other underlining issues which I’m sure will come out in the course of the investigation. No one at any of the post we live at or frequent, remotely fit the descriptions of any of the persons depicted in this young man’s fairy tale. I can’t and won’t divulge any information regarding this soldier, but I do sincerely appreciate all the support from the people back home. Again, this young man has a vivid imagination and I promise you that this by no means reflects the truth of what is happening here. I’m currently serving with the best America has to offer. I have worked and fought closely with every soldier within my company and they are consummate professionals in an area most people can’t fathom. I’m proud of my soldiers and would gladly give my life for any one of them. Please continue to keep them with you in your prayers and thank God that we have these courageous men willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for their country, Americans, and the people of this struggling nation.

Sincerely,

1SG Hatley

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-855924 cinnamonape Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:07:32 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-855924 <p><a href="#comment-855177"><em>Helpless Dancer @ 164</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-855098"><em>BigMitch @ 86</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>It is no longer disputed that it was friendly fire incident. But was it a fragging incident. IOW — we know he was killed by Americans. But was it an accident or murder?</p></blockquote> <p>According to to the dead tree paper that I get; his last words were ” Shut your sniveling mouth you…”. When I was in the 82nd airborne, we had a phrase for guys like him. Mother F**cking Hero. The ones who wanted instead of being forced into being a hero. They were the ones who got you and your buddies killed.</p></blockquote> <p>That wasn’t what the quoted comment was. It was more on the order of, “Stop snivelling on the ground, and praying…we’ve got to do something OURSELVES to get out of here alive!”</p> <p>Note that the Pentagon released this supposed statement AFTER the autopsy report that requested a murder investigation be initiated was leaked. I suspect that there was a very good reason they released this<br /> “chaplains” report so quickly.</p> <p>And if they were under “friendly fire” that no longer appeared to be unntentional…but deliberate…and you had some fellow cowering and asking for God’s help…I could see this being the precise thing that a commanding officer would say. They had to fight back to save their skins.</p> Helpless Dancer @ 164

BigMitch @ 86

It is no longer disputed that it was friendly fire incident. But was it a fragging incident. IOW — we know he was killed by Americans. But was it an accident or murder?

According to to the dead tree paper that I get; his last words were ” Shut your sniveling mouth you…”. When I was in the 82nd airborne, we had a phrase for guys like him. Mother F**cking Hero. The ones who wanted instead of being forced into being a hero. They were the ones who got you and your buddies killed.

That wasn’t what the quoted comment was. It was more on the order of, “Stop snivelling on the ground, and praying…we’ve got to do something OURSELVES to get out of here alive!”

Note that the Pentagon released this supposed statement AFTER the autopsy report that requested a murder investigation be initiated was leaked. I suspect that there was a very good reason they released this
“chaplains” report so quickly.

And if they were under “friendly fire” that no longer appeared to be unntentional…but deliberate…and you had some fellow cowering and asking for God’s help…I could see this being the precise thing that a commanding officer would say. They had to fight back to save their skins.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-855917 cinnamonape Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:56:17 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-855917 <p><a href="#comment-855154"><em>Me3 @ 141</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-855148"><em>Ed*ard Teller @ 135</em></a></p> <blockquote> <p>I don’t know anyone who can hold an M-16 at 10 meters in the burst mode to a group that tight. It was not designed to be an “accurate” weapon at any range, though it is useful in urban settings.</p></blockquote> <p>I agree 100%. In order for this to make sense to me, someone was laying in wait 50 feet or less away from him and shot from a resting postition.</p></blockquote> <p>I can only think that this could occur two ways. Otherwise the recoil would raise the muzzle. One is if the shooter was standing OVER the body with the weapon in a position where the muzzle was essentially almost verticle with the ground. The target would have to be fixed, in a supine position, underneath.</p> <p>The second would be a weapon in a fixed firing mount at close range. </p> <p>Neither sounds accidental to me.</p> Me3 @ 141

Ed*ard Teller @ 135

I don’t know anyone who can hold an M-16 at 10 meters in the burst mode to a group that tight. It was not designed to be an “accurate” weapon at any range, though it is useful in urban settings.

I agree 100%. In order for this to make sense to me, someone was laying in wait 50 feet or less away from him and shot from a resting postition.

I can only think that this could occur two ways. Otherwise the recoil would raise the muzzle. One is if the shooter was standing OVER the body with the weapon in a position where the muzzle was essentially almost verticle with the ground. The target would have to be fixed, in a supine position, underneath.

The second would be a weapon in a fixed firing mount at close range.

Neither sounds accidental to me.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-855910 cinnamonape Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:49:58 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-855910 <p><a href="#comment-855146"><em>Me3 @ 133</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-855139"><em>Petrocelli @ 126</em></a></p> <blockquote><p> <b>CT</b> <b>… what would be the range necessary to put three bullets so close together</b> ?</p></blockquote> <p>Close. The medical report specified the range appeared to be less than 30 yards.</p></blockquote> <p>I read less than 10 meters (=30 feet).</p> Me3 @ 133

Petrocelli @ 126

CT … what would be the range necessary to put three bullets so close together ?

Close. The medical report specified the range appeared to be less than 30 yards.

I read less than 10 meters (=30 feet).

]]> By: Boston1775 http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-855595 Boston1775 Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:53:06 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-855595 <p>This is the link to the April, 2007 <a href="http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1267">Tillman/Lynch Hearing</a>. The next hearing is August 1st.</p> This is the link to the April, 2007 Tillman/Lynch Hearing. The next hearing is August 1st.

]]> By: Boston1775 http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-855528 Boston1775 Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:07:55 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-855528 <p>This is an <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2951521">updated story</a> by ESPN’s Mike Fish. This story asks O’Neal about the sniveling remark.</p> This is an updated story by ESPN’s Mike Fish. This story asks O’Neal about the sniveling remark.

]]> By: BHatten http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-855526 BHatten Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:06:11 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-855526 <p>Good Morning, I slept thinking about the Tillman posts last night. I resolve to write a letter to the editor this weekend to give some of the information we have, the clear cover up, and urge ongoing investigateions etc. Our Senator here, Cornyn, is big dog for “sunshine.” I do not think we have heard anything from him.</p> <p>In response to question way up, No, I for one do not want to run with the NFL. For years it subtext has been in the police docket. All there way before Vick. More of our misplaced values, alittle like the Gladiators. Just what Ive always thought. ;)</p> Good Morning, I slept thinking about the Tillman posts last night. I resolve to write a letter to the editor this weekend to give some of the information we have, the clear cover up, and urge ongoing investigateions etc. Our Senator here, Cornyn, is big dog for “sunshine.” I do not think we have heard anything from him.

In response to question way up, No, I for one do not want to run with the NFL. For years it subtext has been in the police docket. All there way before Vick. More of our misplaced values, alittle like the Gladiators. Just what Ive always thought. ;)

]]> By: Boston1775 http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-855511 Boston1775 Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:54:32 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-855511 <p>In an extensive interview with O’Neal, he never mentions the snivel remark. He does say that he idolized Pat, has credited him with saving his life (though that story never made it into the Silver Star award), and has a large framed picture of Tillman and one of his jerseys framed and up on the wall.</p> <p>O’Neal, as one the survivors of friendly fire, experienced being shunned by the Ranger unit because he told the truth and stuck to it. He says he was pressured out of the Rangers. He began drinking heavily and finally, finally got some psychological help. He was suffering from this cover up as are many more.</p> In an extensive interview with O’Neal, he never mentions the snivel remark. He does say that he idolized Pat, has credited him with saving his life (though that story never made it into the Silver Star award), and has a large framed picture of Tillman and one of his jerseys framed and up on the wall.

O’Neal, as one the survivors of friendly fire, experienced being shunned by the Ranger unit because he told the truth and stuck to it. He says he was pressured out of the Rangers. He began drinking heavily and finally, finally got some psychological help. He was suffering from this cover up as are many more.

]]> By: Boston1775 http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-855504 Boston1775 Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:46:42 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/07/27/late-late-nite-fdl-soldiers-who-tell-the-truth-must-be-destroyed/#comment-855504 <p>correction: the Afghani may have taken eight rounds.</p> correction: the Afghani may have taken eight rounds.

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