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You have to go and see Max Blumenthal's latest, an intimate look at the crazies who attended the Christians United for Israel 2007 conference. Now, these are a bunch of people who believe that the US has to align itself with Israel and conduct endless wars in the Middle East so that we can hasten the apocalypse.
Crazy people. Like, point your finger at your temple and twirl it crazy. Birds chirping and shit.
And who's their keynote speaker?
Very Serious Beltway Brahmin Joe Lieberman.
Oh, and Rick ("Squick") Santorum and Tom ("Isn't He in Jail Yet?") DeLay.
They're everywhere. Sometimes I'm not sure what's a more frightening thought, that our president wakes up each morning and says, "Aw, shoot! I didn't get Raptured yet!" or that Dick Cheney wakes up each morning and thinks, "Well, dammit. Looks like George didn't get Raptured yet."
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Yo, nattering nabobs!
zed!?!
Trex in the daytime!
Hi TRex!
There are some worked up people down there. You go get them - I’ll stay here.
Bustednuckles @ 3
What kind of fuckery is that?
I let ‘em know downstairs that we are here.
That’s quite the crew - Hojo and Delay and little Ricky Santorum.
If you’ve got 25 percent of the market, you can make a hell of a lot of money.
*blink, blink*
Afternoon, kids.
*puts on sunglasses*
Last thread’s topic. Anyone got patience to read this seriously EPU-ed comment?
Hayden is head of CIA? Used to be NSA and head of surveillance? Never did understand why anyone would pick a person with that background when ‘human resources’ are such an obvious need at CIA.
Who chose Hayden? Are we talking about Cheney here? Has Cheney’s desire been to coopt/subsume the entire intelligence operation of the US and erase the foreign/domestic dividing line? With himself as the invisible spider in the middle of the web? Watching EVERYONE?
“All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.” Thomas Paine
Max has been making some great films lately. Is this something new for him?
Executive Branch Davidian. (A huge sign I put up awhile back…) here:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.....signs.html
looked great.
I am amazed at the hubris of the idea that humans can, in effect, bait a trap for Jesus.
Renee in Ohio @ 15
Worse, bait a trap with Jesus.
So who’s using who? Is Lieberman using them for their votes and zealotry? Or are they using him to further their psychoses?
It seems like the Rapture has been used for generations to keep gullible children in line. Ever since Christ was supposed to have been resurrected, there’s been this imminent threat that the world is just about to end, honest, and you’d better get your ducks in a row. You’d think that thousands of years and so many missed destructions of the planet might have sobered people up from their raving lunacy, but I guess it’s much easier to sacrifice your brain on the altar of dogma than to actually think about these things.
And now that the planet actually is in danger, it’s really these nutsos and similar sociopaths who actually are going to lead us there. Talk about self-fulfilling prophecies…
behindthefall @ 11
I have wondered about Hayden ever since he was appointed. Goss was sent in to purge the experienced folks, then Hayden’s job is what?
And have you noticed, military folks are now in charge of every spook program, iirc.
About a year and a half ago I wrote an anguished comment about rapture people and power-mad repubs and stolen elections and a possible horrific war against Iran. Looked at it and thought, am I way, way off base here?
And they wonder why I drink. [working on it, thank you]
Dang, TRex, your scales really are an interesting shade of green in the daylight (hastily donning sunglasses).
mmr @ 17
That is where Cheney got the idea of the terrorist threat levels.
babehindthefall @ 11
I was just toying with the idea of going back to respond.
From 9/11 1 there has been a thrust to “erase the foreign/domestic dividing line.” There may be logic behind it, since the dividing line arose before there ever was a cross-border attack on the homeland.And there were egregious examples of unconnected dots.
However, what was lacking was any discussion of why that division was established. It was because of abuses and domestic spying and enemies lists, etc. The stuff we are seeing today, IOW.
heyyyyyy what time is it???
trex nowwww - ok ok whats up t? hehehehehe
man this place has been on fire today!
What’s the difference between Christian rapture an Islam’s 42 virgins? (Or is it 72?)
They’re everywhere. Sometimes I’m not sure what’s a more frightening thought, that our president wakes up each morning and says, “Aw, shoot! I didn’t get Raptured yet!” or that Dick Cheney wakes up each morning and thinks, “Well, dammit. Looks like George didn’t get Raptured yet.”
I love that last paragraph. Thanks for posting this tonight, it’s been bugging me that this weirdness hasn’t received much attention until recently.
funny thing….. 144,000 people could get pulled into heaven these days, and, if done right, *nobody* would notice.
Think about it….6 thousand-million people in the world (billion), we’d be talking 1 in 41,667 people. Somebody tell me–would *you* notice if one person in your town of 40,000 went missing?
IMO, these rapture losers just haven’t yet reaslised that they lost out….the 144,000 are already gone, and these bozos are stuck in tribulation. Serves the idiots right.
eCAHNomics @ 25
I think research has shown that it was really 42 raisins. No lie.
Suzanne @ 20
And your bathing costume is also quite sparkly, madame!
egregious @ 19
I’ll drink to that.
Good religon drives out bad: known as the I-can-be-holier-than-thou phenomenon.
RockPaperScizzors @ 12
I don’t know who this Thomas Paine fellow is, but there should be no place for him in this Christian nation.
christians meeting - has the rapture begun? with this trio = there’s fuckery afoot - believe dat!!
I know its just a set up for the Cheney line, but I’m pretty sure Bush is a closet Dominionist. They are much scarier than the Rapture people, as their aim is to take power rather than prepare to vacate the premises.
Via @ 28
Bad translations are a bitch.
TeddySanFran @ 30
It is my tourist one, Teddy, since I’m not modding this thread.
juslin @ 23
It’s a sign that the Rapture is coming Tomorrow!!! ;-)
I hope the ReichWing version of Max Blumenthal comes to YK to interview us violent-overthrow wackos.
Things are going great and they’re only getting better…
The Future’s So Bright, I Gotta Wear Shades - Timbuk3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KPhOjF_H3o
eCAHNomics @ 18
It’s worse, Hayden is DCI, position created after 9/11 above CIA. Supposedly coordinates all intel. First was Negroponte which he gave up to be a deputy at State. Which raised it’s own questions as he gave up cabinet level to go backwards.
Tithonia @ 1
Evening, clod-like collection of condensors!
CTuttle @ 36
If there really is a god, Tom DeLay will find out that the blessed event is Rupture, not Rapture. god forgot to use Spell Check.
I’ll never forget my first exposure to the concept of the Rapture, like 20 yrs ago.
A girlfriend’s mom was into it, and when she (gf) explained it to me, I was like “cheese and crackers! that’s crazy!”
TSF
EPU’d from last thread. Davis is from Alabama, not Virginia. AL is black man, VA Davis is white woman. Al was the one who pulled the notes out of Mueller’s behind.
TeddySanFran @ 37
I’m sure Billo will send a few!
repent i tell you - repent NOW LMAO!!! the apocalypse approaches y’all….what a trio they have addressing the christian rightists - scary……..
Renee in Ohio @ 15
No kidding…it seems like that might buy someone a ticket straight to hell…
PG @ 33
OK, I’ve been trying hard to learn about these religious folks, but I haven’t worked my way to Dominionists yet. Plz explain.
eCAHNomics @ 25
It’s one 72-year-old virgin.
eCAHNomics @ 43
Isn’t it Artur Davis, not Al?
One has to wonder about a people (Israelis) who align themselves with so called Christian fundamentialists who say unless you let ‘us’ show the light, we will damn you. Bazarre. Perhaps it’s just a twisted symbiotic relationship. Each feeding off the other.
TRex @ 48
I heard it was a Virginian.
Via @ 28
Oh I get it now…like the telephone game. 42 raisins became 42 “dates” became…
TRex @ 48
707!
Has anyone come to the revelation of “Refusing to be Governed”?
It’s a fascinating concept. But don’t tell anyone except yourself; it’s a secret one must keep to ones self.
At first it’s refreshing, but then becomes addicting.
Give it a try, but don’t tell the government. They will find out soon enough.
CTuttle @ 49
Yes, Arthur. Was using AL for state abbreviation.
OT but on the CBS Evening News (tarted up and dumbed down) not a word about Gonzo. 1st story, stock market, 2nd story, drunk astronuts, 3rd story, michael vick animal torture, 4th story, who’s running cuba, 5th story duck lacrosse case, 6th story illegal immigration, 7th story home foreclosures. Why doesn’t Couric just strip her undies and spread her legs if she wants anyone to watch this drivel.
eCAHNomics @ 29
Unfortunately gresham’s law applies to religion, too. That is bad religion drives out the good. It is easier to attract devotees if you promise rewards in the next world, and in this world (a la recently departed Tammy). The harder religion, imposes responsibilities such as caring for the poor and sick. Never can compete with the religion of instant gratification, reinforced with self-righteousness, framed in a battle between us and them, good and evil.
Renee in Ohio @ 15
Maybe we should give them their Messiah, there must be an unemployed actor somewhere who could pull it off if he had a few good writers to back him up.
I heard it was one 72 year old virgin holding 42 raisins…
Last May on State of Belief there was a show about the assault on mainline denominations, and it included some discussion of Dominionism.
Well, that was strange. Comment #436 in the previous thread, and I was talking to the wall.
What’s the record for longest thread at FDL? Was that one close?
juslin @ 23
Premature snarkulation? I thought there were drugs to prevent that. Or think about baseball.
eCAHNomics @ 55
Ah, Capiche! :-)
mmr @ 17
Exactly. Many theorists have concluded that the Bible was designed specifically to overthrow the Roman Empire, and the antichrist was a twelve headed monster, with the twelve heads representing Roman leaders and pagan gods. These people are entitled Preterists, and when one reads the Bible it is easy to glean this meaning. I do not want to tread on anyone’s religious beliefs, but the United States, thanks to men like Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson (the Jefferson Bible used to be given out to every memeber of Congress–and Jefferson theorized that the true antichrist was St. Paul himself, that when he constructed the Church, he turned his back to the teachings of Jesus. One only needs to read western European history with an objective eye to see that he has a point), the United States is meant to be a secular state. Period.
eCAHNomics @ 47
Yeah, my catholic hubby is still trying to recover from the Reformation and all…
PG @ 33
Closet????
Bluetoe @ 56
I’d watch that.
behindthefall @ 60
I do remember a couple that crossed the 500 level!
I didn’t think the Rapture thing was something you could, you know, hasten. Jesus responds to lobbying?
Also…isn’t Joe Lieberman,uh, not a Christian?
CTuttle @ 49
And Tom Davis is a white guy.
burnspbesq @ 62
“ask your doctor about…”
randiego @ 67
you’d find a republican strategist blocking your view.
Bluetoe @ 56
Ewwww! My eyes! It burns us!
I pray that if they try that, that ABC does not make Charlie Gibson do the same thing. Aiee!
TRex @ 48
Condi and Harriet? plus 70 others.
randiego @ 67
Maybe Britney, Paris, and Lindsay could do the news instead of be the news…oh wait, that doesn’t sound right somehow.
Bluetoe @ 72
Couric, Williams and Gibson are entertainers. Period.
Anchortainers
Mr. Lieberman is a religious fanatic. As is John Hagee. But they’re working different sides of the same extremist street.
HoJo’s playing rapture the flag with DeLay.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 50
Jewish pro-Israel Dems like myself are acutely uncomfortable with the support of the Rapture crowd. As we say, among ourselves, Republicans love Israel and hate Jews. Dems, love Jews and hate Israel.
I wish I was in Tiajuana, eating barbequed iguana…
Mexican Radio - Wall of Voodoo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT_0gPrzGA0
cleter @ 73
Eeeek! Don’t let it spread to Tweety
cleter @ 73
Those people can really shake a booty, huh?
The best part of Max’s movies — and there are many, many great parts — is when he gets kicked out. He didn’t do his “crane pose” in this one, which he did at the Yellow Elephant conference, but this exit was very smooth all the same.
Max is my hero.
“Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity”
Thomas Paine quote
“The authors of the gospels were unlettered and ignorant men and the teachings of Jesus have come to us mutilated, misstated and unintelligible” Thomas Jefferson
cleter @ 73
They’d be late to the game, the Cannucks have had the nakednews wrapped up for awhile.
TeddySanFran @ 85
But has he been doing these before? I saw the yellow elephant babies and the rapturites, but have I missed others?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 78
just bizarre to watch the ‘congregation’ on tv as Hagee thunders out proclamation after proclamation on behalf of an angry god.
Funny thing is when you look past the bluster he personally seems like a puffball not an ironman.
a plate of gravy and biscuits with a microphone.
Via @ 88
Oklahoma kiddo @ 78
Joe Lieberman is not a religious fanatic. If you had ever met an orthodox jewish religious fanatic you would know the difference. He’s not even close.
I’m totally unconcerned about the ‘Rapture’. I am worried about nuclear war.
BigMitch @ 31
“To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. ” Thomas Paine
TO MY FELLOW-CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:
I PUT the following work under your protection. It contains my opinions upon Religion. You will do me the justice to remember, that I have always strenuously supported the Right of every Man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it.
The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is Reason. I have never used any other, and I trust I never shall.
Your affectionate friend and fellow-citizen,
THOMAS PAINE
BigMitch @ 80
Neo-con Jews serve the Bushies fine with their collective viewpoint on Oil/Israel security. And as the main core Bushies are WASPS, the jewish neo-cons serve well as scapegoats, too, when the sh** hits the fan (see Libby, et al).
You are right on, Mitch. And I value your blogging and insight. As a non-Jew pro-Israeli state, I still question the hardline tactics that are taken. I understand that the Israelis have to be on full alert, but guys like Ben-Gurrion are long gone. There was a time that the Jewish intellectuals would leave their respective kibbutz and tend to the state. Now? The leading voices are mostly hardliners–Bibby and others. A new course has to be charted in both Israel and the US when it comes to security for the region and the world.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 92
I’m worried about those who think they are the same event.
those rapture guys would unleash a nuclear war if they thought it would spring them out of their diapers right through the ceiling.
Rapture?
Three Strange Days - School of Fish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT_0gPrzGA0
BigMitch @ 80
Question: Is there between love and hate, in terms of Israel, some reasonable middle ground?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 92
What’s the difference???
I’m worried about those in power who believe the end of the world is coming–it’s ripe to be a self fulfilling prophecy.
Get Tough @ 94
I question hard-line tactics too.
robert graves in his book ‘King Jesus’ paints an interesting portrait of Christ as total religious fanatic who brings about his own execution by trying to force ‘Jehovah’s’ hand.
He also has certain magical powers and ‘out-magiks’ Mary Magdelene a sacred priestess.
BigMitch @ 91
Perhaps you could define an “orthodox Jewish fanatic” for us?
Bluetoe @ 83
BigMitch @ 80
Spare me! It’s the stupidity of the Neo-Cons (including Lieberman) when it comes to Isr*el that gets me. No thought about promotng security instead they press the US to engage militarily against both te interests of Israel and the U.S. It would be great to get someone like a Mandela to make some sense politically of this mess.
johnSwifty @ 95
How can you argue that it can’t be the same event?