Our gov is lawless. They killed JFK, TIllman, and God knows who else. We must demand answers. Tillman had class and honor so the whole War on Terror thing appears to be a fraud.

It appears Dennis and Ron Paul were correct we had no business in Iraq and it appears we even create our own terror to stay in Iraq.

As a member of the GOP we must impeach Cheney/Bush and we must arrest anyone who ordered his death.

It’s time to take action….

Obaman, Hillary, Fred Thompson, Mitt, Rudy will only keep us in Iraq.

Demand answers. I’m calling my congress member monday morning we all must do the same and demand answers.

1. Some were indeed “in on it” – the initial crime (for all the above reasons and more then likely some not mentioned above beyond the global or high crimes BS) but only a very select few within that particular group – maybe his work cronies especially possible if those relationships were not good.

2. The Sibling relationship working in the same Unit very well could have acted as an “enabler” for dysfunctional morale and perhaps overzealous ego based relationships on behalf of them (Tillman’s) or more then likely jealousy on the part of ONE or a select FEW.

3. TRex might be on to something; “a(s he was going to come out ” perhaps there is more unspoken things not on a written report involved.

4. Kathryn in MA might be on to something; “Kevin, in partnership with his brother’s spirit” Haunted spirit that won’t rest! Check your native american lore or the other indians’ for that matter.

5. malcontent might be on to something; “easily see how some dumbass redneck in the Rangers could want him dead”

6. Cover-up from the Top down is beyond a shadow of doubt and only occurred after the info chain started its way up the COC upon learning of the sad news. Murder is also beyond a shadow of doubt if indeed there are three close proximity shots to the forehead.

That’s my 2 cents!

I know you live beyond the murder and pain to show us the truth—You are a hero and will always be in our thoughts and prayers

gunned down by fellow Rangers

I don’t know where the truth lies in this, but these aren’t your Charlie-Sheen-Smoking-Dope-And-Singing-Motown-Vietnam-Draftees – these are elite soldiers. They don’t pop off a few rounds at the blink of an eye.

**I have a question. Would they be compelled to do something like this if ordered to do so by the CIC? The three shots to the forehead suggest coup de grace.

First, he was vehemently opposed to the war in Iraq and called it “so fucking illegal”. He was also anti-Bush and was planning on campaigning for Kerry when he returned from Afghanistan. He was very well read and one of his favorite authors was Noam Chomsky, with whom he was scheduled to meet upon returning from war.

He was also an atheist, which could very easily have rubbed some of the dyed-in-the-wool true believe types in his unit the wrong way. Add to that the fact that he was extremely popular and successful financially, and you could easily see how some dumbass redneck in the Rangers could want him dead. That being said, however, I do not believe the decision to assassinate Pat Tillman was made within his unit.

As we all now know (and as some of us have known for years), everything…EVERYTHING, this White House does is political. Every decision they make is based on a political calculation, and Karl Rove figures very heavily in all of it. I am convinced that the White House political arm was well aware of Pat Tillmans sentiments regarding both Bush and the illegal war in Iraq, and the decision to have him killed and to cover it up and make it look like he was a hero was made before he was even killed.

That’s why there was no evidence of enemy fire on the scene, because there never was any enemy fire. There were no bullet holes in the Humvee because no one was firing on their position. They lured Pat Tillman into an ambush once they had successfully divided the platoon to get his brother and those members of the unit who would not have gone along with the murder away from the scene.

Pat Tillman was extremely well read and intelligent, and if you’ve ever legitimately attempted to debate a Bushie true believer on the facts, you’ll know how absoulutely stupid they are. They realize it soon after you punch holes in their talking points, and I could very easily see Pat Tillman having complete ownership of the morons in his unit based on his ability to defeat them both physically and intellectually, another reason they would want him dead.

When you consider that he was reportedly yelling out that he was a friendly, and you consider that he had lit off a smoke greneade to indicate a friendly position, there is really no way his death could have been accidental. When you realize he may have been shot from as close as 30 feet, there’s even less doubt. When you consider they burned his uniform and body armor and his journal, which he’d kept since he was 16 years old, went missing, too, then I think you can conclude with 100% certainty that he was assassinated.

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SanderO @ 101

If he was murdered there had to be a motive.

He was murdered because?

He was about to come out and say the GWOT was a crock and this would be so devastating that they had to use him for propaganda instead?

The murderer was a true believer and zealot and saw Pat as a turncoat and offed him?

Someone was on crack and whacked out?

What could the motive be?

After reading the article TRex linked, my first thought was that the soldier next to him, who was already freaking out, might’ve been offended by Tillman’s insulting language about his “god.” Shortly after the tragedy a chaplain debriefed the unit and reported this:

The chaplain said that O’Neal told him he was hugging the ground at Tillman’s side, “crying out to God, help us. And Tillman says to him, `Would you shut your (expletive) mouth? God’s not going to help you; you need to do something for yourself, you sniveling …”

Judging by his family’s statements and this story, sounds like Pat Tillman was an atheist and fairly vocal about it. If so, I would imagine a Christianist would develop quite hatred of the guy.

We’ve got thousands of years of history to prove what religious zealots can do when they feel their god has been insulted.

Sounds to me as if the action was already going on when this comment was made. In any case it is unlikely someone would get up from a fetal position to shoot someone in the head 3 times (Why shoot your team when you should be shooting at the people trying to kill you).

I also think the sniveling comment is part of the fake side of the story – big the kool aid drinkers something to work with.

What is distrubing only slightly less than if this was a consiracy theory is that the Republicans seem to have a trickle-down corruption thing going on. As they pave the roads to cash & the beltway for their supporters it seems that if they do not have an active message of breaking the law that there there is a passive thing where their minions are almost encouraged to do what it takes for the team (avoid or start an investigation, add or shave votes, interpret the law in a certain way to support the party, give a job to the Repub….Kill someone).