CNN just announced that Pat Leahy, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, says he will subpoena Karl Rove over the US Attorney firings. The White House responds by saying Congress is “out of control.”
As puppethead said, “Translated White House: “Congress is out of our control.”
‘Bout time.
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- Connecting The Eyeliner Dots On the Rove Role In DOJ Firings?
- DiFi and Pat Leahy, Silencing the Librarians
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The Whitehouse with the classic projection line of the century.
The dam is breaking.
-GSD
Hallelujah! Frog March Please.
Amen amen!
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Translated White House: “Congress is out of our control.”
Go Jane!
puppethead @ 8
a very good translation, puppethead…
SJC birthday present to Jane, just a day late!
The Democratic Congress is doing something?
book him, Dan-O.
puppethead @ 8
So True
Bush will simply give him a Get Out of Testifying Free card (an executive privilege claim letter), and we’ll be right back to square one.
I find it hard to get alll worked up about this.
IN
“Karl, we’re not winning the news cycle! Do something!”
Oh, goody! Congress is out of control….
Hey, Fielding!! Your name was on one of those emails on the document dump, y’a know. All your contemptuous obstructing of this investigation…looks like you’re right in there with the rest of the conspiracy.
The pix at the top. I just want to put an apple in that mouth. And then, oh… about 200 degrees for about eight hours outta do it.
Why not subpoena Ashcroft as well. He can tell us what happened during the hospital visit.
Go for the body blows and keep throwing wrenches in the machinery. We also have to pick up eleven Senate Seats in ‘08 in order to be able to deal with the Roberts court.
For those who recall the summer of 1974, did the Republicans as a party rally hard around Nixon until some snapping moment, when all of his support vanished at once? Or was it a few defectors here and there until the tide shifted?
It seems like the harder the Bush government digs in the crazier and more lawless they appear. I can’t imagine any sitting GOP politician can maintain their stupidity of supporting the Bush government much longer. If this goes on long enough the GOP really will go the way of the Whigs.
No premature ejaculations of assurance of responsiveness. Next step for WH: executive privilege claim and Rove no show.
Does anyone else hear the sound of Blue Dogs whimpering?
Congress gone wild! Party
Gates replies to Clinton
http://electioncentral.tpmcafe…..withdrawal
Two questions:
Any chance that Fein would be appointed special prosecutor?
Can the Senate disapprove of the appointment if they find him/her unsatisfactory?
Leahy is using Rove’s own playbook against Bush: Attack an opponent at his strength. For Bush, this means Rove.
Procuratio frutex delenda est.
Someone asked this earlier, but I don’t recall seeing an answer. Why hasn’t John Ashcroft been called to testify?
My birthday is Saturday. I’m wondering what’s going to be in the Friday afternoon news dump.
More gifts?
-S
Oklahoma kiddo @ 18
you might want to up that temp to 225 or so… kill off all that evil bacteria…
Joe Wilson and Valerie we have our fingers crossed…for Justice, accountability and truth in regard to any of the Bush administrations many crimes
InfoNut @ 15
The SCOTUS held in the Nixon case that there is no executive privilege in criminal cases, except for national security. A ‘get-out-of-testifying-card’ is not going to work.
Rawstory has a headline up with no link: Specter on perjury 1:45. I guess that means he’s doing a presser?
Did anybody listen to the Cafferty
Link that Kathleen put up? If so, what do you make of Bush’s Pardon for himself re: torture?
And WHY did the Dems sign off on it? Do they know something we don’t know?
Strategerie @ 30
They way its going you could have a great Birthday. Happy B day
Wonderful news. Before I’ve absolutely got to go in to a meeting before work, I’m taking a half hour to fax some thanks to the Senators who stood up today.
As I mentioned in an earlier thread, now’s a great time to donate to FDL for all the hard work done here.
Happy DayAfterYourBirthday, Jane. Nice present from Leahy & Co…
BigMitch @ 33
Yeah, that worked out real well with Miers, didn’t it? She was to testify on the same criminal case, was she not?
OldCoastie @ 31
You took the words right out of my mouth!
sHIT!!!! And I have to go into work EARLY!!
How am I feeling?! (No, I can’t do this – I’m one of the few who’s not on vacation!)
Put Leahy in charge of it all; kick Conyers to the side.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 18
For pork it is 350 degrees until the internal temperature is at least 160 degrees.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 18
Ditto that.
:)
And may I just add, today is a good day! Well, not for Karl Rove, but for the rest of us? Oh yeah, baby. Good day, indeed.
A Rove subpoena? Sweeeeeeeet!
BigMitch @ 33
The SCOTUS is now the Roberts Court. Precedent may no longer matter and Rove will be safe.
puppethead @ 21
With Nixon it was a series of battles over executive privilege to withhold the tapes. As they began to pile up, the tide changed rather rapidly, IIRC.
I’m all for it, but I hope Democratic leaders see the end game, and have the stones to see it thru.
There will be a constitutional confrontation. That’s better than the alternative – acquiescence to the shredding of the constitution.
It’s gonna get ugly, and damn it, I’ve been ready to go their since 2003. About freakin’ time!
Yes, an excellent day – and I think an excellent day to get on the phone and create public outpouring for these actions.
InfoNut @ 38
Thing one: The Miers case is not over. Thing two: The Gonzo case is perjury in congress. With Miers it is not quite as clear what the crime being investigated was. Or at least Repug can argue this.
David W. Bartoo @ 35
Do you have the link about the torture bill – I looked downstairs and couldn’t find it.
Diane @ 25
She’s got the Big Dawg to advise her. That knife is sharp.
Diane @ 25, Gates giveth (yeah, we are planning an exit) and Gates taketh away (I’m with sh*thead Edelman). I don’t have much use for Gates. To think he headed A&M where he influenced so many people.
BigMitch @ 33
Mitch you are thinking like a lawyer..Law, precedent etc. This is a new order..remember Brown v. Board? And if the House votes an Inherent Contempt citation, Scalia will reverse his Young v. US opinion.
puppethead @ 21
My memory is not that accurate because I did not have anyone to obsess with back then. I do remember being terribly terribly frustrated with the slow pace that Congress and the public was taking to catch on to the reality of what the WH had done. Very similar now.
A difference: I don’t remember the rest of the Rs slavishly carrying Nixon’s water like they are doing now. Seems like most just hung out & watched what was happening.
Only when impeachment became serious & evidence starting unfolding in an organized manner did Rs switch sides.
Another diff: there were a few R people of principle back then. None now.
Link.
Leahy “We have now reached a point where the accumulated evidence shows that political considerations factored into the unprecedented firing of at least nine United States Attorneys last year,” Leahy said, according to The Associated Press.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0726.html
BigMitch @ 45
So history is looking to repeat itself, perhaps? Not surprising since the Bush government is comprised of the same criminals that Nixon used.
Stock market described as being in a “free fall.” Coincidence? Or Rethug tactic to sow fear and loathing when Dems show some backbone?
I posted this on another thread (number 347 or so), but decided to repost here ’cause I didn’t think anyone would get around to looking at it.
____________
Great post, great comments. What more can I add? IMPEACH NOW.
I am old enough to remember the days leading up to Nixon’s resignation, and the gnawing fear that it wasn’t going to happen. Such elation and relief when it finally did! It feels so intolerable to have this degree of angst, not knowing if Congress will have the strength to do what is right.
I have written an e-mail to Bush, telling him I believe he needs to resign. While I am not naieve enough to believe he gives a shit about what I think, I urge everyone to do the same. It’s time we all stand up for what’s right.
Maybe its time for an extreme act, like a national work stoppage that doesn’t end until Bush and Cheney are gone? Anyone up for it?
punaise @ 13
Too bad Jack Lord departed this earth a few years ago and isn’t available to utter that line!!!
BTW, someone’s remark in the prior thread about the possibility of Bush “pre-pardoning” folks reminded me of the “pre-burial” insurance they’re always urging folks to buy on late night TV.
OldCoastie @ 10
And it’s way past time, too.
BigMitch @ 48
The post says that Rove is being subpoenaed about the attourney firings. So I assumed it was not about AGAG perjury.
Well we’ve already been prepped for the contempt.
Breaking: ABC News Washington evacuated. Suspicious package.
A horse’s head moment for Brian Ross perhaps?
BigMitch @ 48
This Kos diary makes an interesting argument as to why Conyers may know exactly what he is doing. Back that up with Spector rattling his saber’s in the direction of Roberts and Alito (re precedent), then perhaps the Conyers move was precisely the thing to do. For now.
BigMitch @ 57
Coinkydink. Stock market has been in an alternate reality for awwhile. Any excuse for a correction would do.
BigMitch @ 57
The Dow is down less than 300 points. Hardly “free fall”.
Knut @ 50, Senator Clinton doesn’t need Big Dawg’s help. No one should say she does.
Senator Byrd calling out Senator Vitter on some amendment. Woweee. What a day.
1. Ah yes….cue the music: Under Pressure…
2. About that meeting: you know, “the meeting” that Towel Boy said happened some hours before the infamous hospital journey. A NSC meeting. Who was present at said meeting??
(a) might someone known as Traitor Boy have been there? I don’t think he has any “I can’t testify on this, case is still on appeal” defense available.
(b) and, how about……Karl The Coward! Was Coward Boy at “the meeting”? I don’t think he has any executive privilege claim on giving testimony about what was said at “the meeting”?
Now, before we all get too ahead of ourselves, we need to figure out identities of each and every person present at “the meeting”. It’s possible the twin Boys (Traitor & Coward) weren’t there. But….we’ll see.
Ghostman
Diane @ 11
And Jane, in Hawaiian, “hau’oli la hanau” [happy birthday] [long vowel mark over the a in “la” and the first a in “hanau”]
BigMitch @ 45
I seem to recall the dam broke when the forensic evidence proved that the 18 minutes had been intentionally erased. I amy not remember that correctly. I think someone who follows this blog was actually one of the ones to prove it too.
InfoNut @ 15
No, it’s great.
My lawyers friends know this better than I: any investigation or litigation is really a contest between competing narratives. It’s important to be wearing the white hat, and perhaps more important to be perceived to be doing so.
By forcing the administration to be overt in its contempt for our institutions of government, Congress is making them commit to an easily-understood black hat narrative.
mauimom @ 59
Oh my God! I hope he’s dead.
ABC Bureau evacuated because of envelope with white powder.
The Bushie mantra “Bring up that terror threat again when it looks like we are in trouble”
Just who has been sending the white powder at crucial times?
So, I wonder if Greg Palast’s e-mails have played a role in this.
I have said that the Democrats were sitting on much more than they have let on.
They have allowed Bush to push the nation into a corner.
Now Bush, Cheney, Snow and the far-right media are melting down.
Tony Snow has even alienated World Nut Daily. The National Review is in full melt-down mode over the reporting of a US soldier who was in Iraq. Limbaugh is running pictures of Bin Laden identified as a Democrat.
They are doing just what they did BEFORE the election and equating everyone against the war and against Bush as being anti-American supporters of Al Qa*da.
The well was empty in November 2006.
Now they are filling the well with gunpowder and dropping matches into it.
They are in their last throes.
-GSD
tommy yum @ 71
Wow…
Okay, I’ll buy that.
Hadn’t quite thought of it in that context.
Nice.
IN
beth meacham @ 66
Yes. Why would the media use the term “free fall” is my question. Smart people, like eCAHNomic, use the more accurate term, “correction.”
eCAHNomics @ 65
The US economy is a hollow shell..and yesterday the CEO of Countrywide, the largest mortgage underwriter, said housing depreciation is the worst since the great depression. Not good news.
We are now in trench warfare. Someone made this analogy on a post a while back, and I think it fits. No blitzkrieg attack on the administration, but instead blow after blow, dominating the news cycle, and keeping the upper hand. I think the solidified opposition to the Occupation supplied the tipping point. This can all be connected rhetorically to the high-handed way the administration got the country into war. If the libertarian conspiracy theorists get into the act –thinking about the recent article in WSJ by the Reagan economist — it is going to gather in support for replacement on the right end fringe as well as the left, isolating the crooks like Sensenbrenner et al. The timing is good. This is going to simmer and bubble to September, when the Iraq Occupation debate comes to a head.
The administration are running out of bright and shiny objects. They have become the bright shiny object. As they become ‘newsworthy’ (makes me think of the old Seinfeld episode on ’spongeworthy’), the MSM will pick this stuff up and sell soap with it. At that point we are home free.
puppethead @ 56
There’s not much time left in the Bush Admin. Since modern Dems move so slow, Bush will successfully run out the clock.
Might Senator Whitehouse be loaned out as Special Counsel to investigate Gonzales? Let us pray.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 18
thank you. I was trying to think of the right response to that vile face and coming up blank…
The stockmarket has nothing to do with Beltway events, but with the housing market going bust because foreclosures are being filed against those with good credit rating and not just against sub-prime rate borrowers (those with bad credit rating).
Here is the Gates letter, I don’t see anything wrong with it. He is supportive of Edelman, yet he’s apologizing for the misunderstanding at the same time:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..s-hillary/
New Tula thread upstairs.
Kathleen @ 55
The Judiciary Committee issued subpoenas to Rove and Deputy White House political director J. Scott Jennings. The deadline for testimony and documents is Aug. 2 at 10 a.m.
All right, the person who posted this confess right now.
nomolos @ 73
One of my ongoing unanswered Qs. One where I am often tempted to don my tinfoil hat.
For those of you who did not see the 12 p.m. central time reporting by Elaine Quijano of CNN wrt this, let me save you from upchucking your lunch: the hyperbolic talking points of the Bush badmin have been dutifully given.
If all CNN requires of its reporters are pretty or handsome smiles, a pleasing voice and someone who will, unchallenged, repeat what some politicos speak, then why don’t they just purchase a few double yellow-headed amazon parrots. They’re a lot cheaper, won’t argue their contracts, and their droppings are contained within their cages as opposed to Bush’s whose bileh seeks to consume our Constitution.
Damn, but this is some very encouraging news.
Dominoes, get ready to fall. Click, click, click, CLONK…
Phil @ 19
He is still anesthetized.
Impeachment would be a constitutional crisis? Bush has just jammed his middle finger in the face of congress. We’re IN a constitutional crisis. Don’t you think so, Madame Speaker?
I’ll take that as a compliment. Thx. *g
Senator Kerry up on C-Span 2 castigating the Republics’ do-nothing members.
Badwater @ 79
Bush doesn’t control the legal clock, the Dems could have the indictments ready to go and arrest him on 01/21/09.
eCAHNomics @ 87
Maybe it’s a parmasan attack.
InfoNut @ 61
OK. We are not on the same wavelength. I thought you were talking about giving Gonzo a pass on testifying.
nomolos @ 73
This is breeding cynicism against Bush, not sympathy for him and his fools.
-GSD
Not that I am privvy to who is responsible. But it falls under Keith O’s “nexus of politics and fear”.
beth meacham @ 66
yup: and you have to consider that volumes are higher than they were last time there was trouble, as in “300 is not what it used to be.” Maybe no need to get too too worried just yet.
LS @ 95
Did you mean partisan?
OldCoastie @ 31
nah, drop it down to 150 and extend the cooking time to 4 or 5 days… i’m sure it won’t violate bush’s new torture guidelines anyways.
Quick – someone get that “Cat Of Death” over to the WH!!
fdl reader @ 98
It is down (-305) right now.
I still think the most important Q I ever asked here is, “Who is Linday Lohan?”
Woodhall Hollow @ 64
Boy, the KOS Diary just made my day! Thank you.
LS @ 95
Very good
Go, Senator Kerry.
Let’s not put it that way, though.
I made this point downstairs, gonna do it again here;
leahey knows with no doubt the president will ‘instruct” rove not to show for the subpoena
if he’s prepared, leahey has to have an answer to that scenario and man, I can’t wait to see what that answer will be
eCAHNomics @ 103
You still don’t know who she is?
puppethead @ 21
I was very active in 1974, glued to the news every night. Walter Cronkite was my hero. The biggest difference in 1974 was there was that the news media was actually doing their job. Keith Olbermann sounds so loud today because he is virtually alone. In 1974, there was a real, functioning new apparatus.
It seems like everyone knew that it was just a matter of time before Tricky Dick was toast. Maybe that’s just in hindsight. It also seems that Congress was much more willing to step up and do the right thing. That seems much less apparent today.
The end for Nixon came when the weight of public opinion became more than he could bear. He knew there were no followers left to lead. I doubt that Bush will be that perceptive. Bush is determined to have his way, no matter how much it injures his fellow beings. Cheney even more so. And in the end, that will determine how long this goes on. When Bush says he loses no sleep over this, I believe him. That frightens me more than anything else.
nomolos @ 73
yes, inquiring minds have wanted to know for a long time!
they had a short timeline on this one: they must have this stuff all ready to go at the drop of a subpoena!
FYI-
Paul D. Clement
Solicitor General of the United States
950 Pennsylvania Ave.,
NW Washington, D.C. 20530-0001
202-514-2203
Write/call (no email listed)
Biodun @ 109
Covering my ears, covering my ears. Covering my eyes. Covering my eyes. Humming very loudly.
GSD – You know how Kesey’s bus had ‘Further’ in the destination box above the windshield?
The destination box on the BushCo Bus says ‘Obstruction.’
Jane and Christy, and anyone else who is a lawyer:
Something interesting just occured to me. King has said that he will not allow the DOJ to pursue contempt. Fine. But there is inherent contempt, which doesn’t depend on the DOJ. So. They all refuse to appear, they DOJ refuses to enforce, the Congress issues inherent contempt citations with their own officers going to drag out the targets (and I imagine the Congress has a staff of large men and women with whom you do not argue if they are pointing a gun at you….and I imagine it raises another interesting issue if the Secret Service gets in the way of a lawful service…..like off with their funding), drags them into Congress, where they take the fifth. Fine so far. So then Congress offers them immunity, and now, if they don’t answer, they go to jail and sit. The King has no say. And it snakes through a very long court fight, and it forces said targets to show their contempt for Congress on Cspan.
Now, I realize that there are a group of wingnuts who will say good for them, but I’m willing to bet that the majority of the American people will say “where there is smoke, there is fire.”
I happen to be against cameras in a court room, however, this is the Congress, and said targets are, or were, employees of the American people, who swore an oath to defend the Constitution. So I am totally for cameras in either house of Congress. This is the public’s business. I want to see Rover take the fifth. I want to see them offer him immunity. I want to hear him say Mr. Chairman, that’s classified. In other words, FU American People.
If I’m right, this is a pretty neat trick.
MSNBC now showing: “Capital Hill Hotties” I kid you not.
eCAHNomics @ 103
She is one of the robots MSM trot out when they need a distraction. There are others.
jim o’connor @ 116
Is there other news they should know about????
radiofreewill @ 114
Pedantic, but the bus was ‘Furthur’.
Going back to special counsel appointments: is Pat Fitzgerald ineligible (works for DOJ)? Is E Spitzer (now governor)? I want to know what are the ranks of the eligible for appointment.
nomolos @ 117
I believe some of them are blonde.
nomolos @ 105
actually, grate
Now that is some must see teevee. You would think the media would be all for a Rove subpoena.
Imavehnontah @ 110
Not my memory at all. I wrote a long comment above, but don’t want to take the time to find it. But wrt this point, I remember it being very similar to now, that it took endless time for people & Congress to figure out what the WH was doing. But then, I didn’t have anyone to talk to about it, and knew instantly after the break-in that all my strong suspicions about Nixon were confirmed. After that, I didn’t understand why everyone didn’t get it.
punaise @ 122
how cheesy can you get?
MSNBC says ABC got the “all clear”, move along now, folks. Contractors doing work found some white powder. *shrug*
jim o’connor @ 116
They’re still doing that? They’ve been showing that all morning. Cable MSM simply recycles flotsam all day. What a dreadful job that some people find “glamorous.”
nomolos @ 117
Your sterotypical bright shiny object.
Biodun @ 109
Me neither. I think it must come from being trained as an economist.
TexB @ 125
Gouda’ n cheesy
Beat me to it, Balrog. Gawd, we’re old.
Capitol switchboard 800 828 0498. Lines are busy to Leahy and Feingold.
Thank you, Balrog – how’s the wee one?
Maybe the destination on the Gooper Bus should be ‘Obstrukshun’?
carolyn urban @ 132
To the emails.
cynic @115:
There are already cameras in both the House and Senate, they broadcast on CSPAN1 and CSPAN2 every day those bodies are in session.
fdl reader @ 111
Uday Hussein’s long arm!!!
Fern @ 49
Sorry about delay, youngest daughter to swimming. Do not have link to bill only saw
Kathleen @ 26 last thread. Not Lohan piece
but upper of two clips following Lohan.Link
was:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v … A&NR=1
eCAHNomics @ 124
30 years is a long time, especially to remember long processes. Who’s to say what is real and what is a trick of memory? Certainly in the few days before his resignation it seemed inevitable. Before that, I agree it seemed to take forever.
eCAHNomics @ 124
When Agnew resigned, things changed precipitously.
Tithonia @ 131
WeeRog is getting big fast.
And the Gooper Bus is empty. Check underneath it.
puppethead @ 21
PBS has at least one program on Watergate: “1994, Watergate Twenty Years Later” that’s quite good. Perhaps you can locate it on their web site. [I’ve got a copy I taped when it ran.]
What I recall [I was in law school] is coming home and watching the Watergate hearings, as each subsequent travesty was exposed. The availability of this [the hearings] EVERY DAY, the coverage on the news [by decent newscasters] EVERY NIGHT really set things up.
There was also the Saturday Night Massacre: both Archibald Cox and Elliot Richardson were SO straight arrow, folks who CLEARLY followed the rule of law, that firing them showed even more folks how out-of-control Nixon was.
And, as someone said above, you had a number of “good” Republicans back in those days: Charles Goodell [dad of the current NFL Commissioner], Mark Hatfield, Lowell Weicker, Howard Baker.
I went over to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal to refresh my memory and was struck by a number of things:
** I’ve always known that the break-in occurred in 1972, before the Republican & Dem conventions, since it occurred on June 17 [my birthday];
** however, it wasn’t until 1973 that things really “got going” w/regard to investigations, WaPo articles, etc.
** in the summer of 1974 [Nixon resigned August 7], there was a flurry of resignations of WH staff and RNC people, as well as indictments/convictions of same,
then, the “straw that broke the camel’s back:”
All this to say, it took a while, it took a lot. Interestingly enough, the crimes of Bush et al. are, in my opinion, more wide-ranging and far greater than those that brought Nixon down.
But Nixon didn’t have the same huge propaganda machine [no Fox Noise then; heck, no computers and certainly no internet] and the relationship between the media [print & tv] and the public was much different — i.e., we could trust them!!!
The sins of our fathers:
dude @ 120
It can’t be someone who is working for, or has worked for DOJ (Executive Branch). So that bars Fitz.
It will probably be someone from the Judicial Branch. Although I’d love to see John Dean do the honors…
Brisingamen @ 135
Heh, heh, heh. Ooooo, that’s good. That’s very good.
Knut Wicksell @ 78
If Bush can use “al Qaida” 95 times in one speech yesterday, the Dems can do a blow after blow after blow to “hammer home” the Impeachment meme. And it will work. We just need to keep on “wearing the white hat.” (thanks, tommy yum)
But Nixon didn’t have the same huge propaganda machine [no Fox Noise then; heck, no computers and certainly no internet] and the relationship between the media [print & tv] and the public was much different — i.e., we could trust them!!!
well, ’sort of’
BigMitch @ 139
who has the lowest ratings and was hated more, spiro or darth?
Brisingamen @ 135
I might be old, but I ain’t dumb. I know there are, or I’ve spent the last couple of days watching some weird alternate reality. Televise the Bastards. But I’m talking IMPEACHMENT.
:-)
You and I seem to agree that the public’s business ought to be done in public. And while I’m on the matter, the only reason I’m against cameras in a courtroom is that there are already 12 people there specifically to do the job. I’m open to the “that’s the public’s business too” argument, and might be more open if the government gets any worse, but right now, I think it adds an element of theatre to a proceeding that should be far from theatre.
Imavehmontah @ 138
I was on active duty in an Army Reserve unit in California when he resigned. We were quite concerned that he was going to order us to do some crazy shit, and I remember how relieved we were when he resigned. The brass put all of us EM’s in a room to wait out his announcement.
perris @ 147
Darth, hands down.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 146
And Conservatives OWN talk radio…
Steve-AR @ 20
confirmthem.com quotes the New York Times on this very subject:
“If the current five-man majority persists in thumbing its nose at popular values, the election of a Democratic president and Congress could provide a corrective. It requires only a majority vote in both houses to add a justice or two. Chief Justice John Roberts and his conservative colleagues might do well to bear in mind that the roll call of presidents who have used this option includes not just Roosevelt but also Adams, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln and Grant.”
Also, Arlen Specter plans to review Roberts’ and Alito’s testimony regarding their recent reversal of long standing opinions. The source was Politico, however, and we know Specter is a paper tiger. But my question is, can Roberts and Alito be held accountable for misleading Congress during their confirmation hearings?
http://www.freerepublic.com/fo…..ts?page=62
Interesting. Sen Dorgan and Conrad have been spanking the Bushies for letting OBL get away. They’re running down the list of failures made in the wot.
It was a long time ago but I think there was much less of a sense of Agnew than there is of Darth. Agnew was disliked but was not seen as that important.
perris @ 147
Agnew was just amusing. Cheney is actually evil.
BigMitch
And what would your response have been if you had been ordered to so “some crazy shit”?
realworld @ 153
I was in high school or jr high
agnew was hated and a laughing stock however as you say, he was a non issue, he wasn’t important
darth is important, for all intentions and all purposes, he has been the president of the u.s.
Agnew also wasn’t the power behind the throne.
TheOtherWA @ 144
Good but not great. The real action will be in committee hearings. And C-Span1 and C-Span2 are bound by law to cover the House and Senate floor respectively. In my area, C-3 just plays whatever is on C-2.
Meanwhile, Specter was just quoted on the radio as saying that Feingold is “politicizing” the SJC hearing. Uggghhhh.
Jordan Marsh Dept. Stores (and others) sold Spiro Agnew watches. Just like Mickey Mouse. Can you imagine a Dick Cheney watch?
Watergate memory. About 15 years ago, we were talking about it at work, and my assistant informed us he wasn’t even born then.
Thinking Southerner @ 88
God, that was funny………may I use that?!!
eCAHNomics @ 155
We will never know. I could tell you I would like to think I would have resisted. But you never know until it happens. Now, I wouldn’t allow myself to be in that position.
If it comes down to impeachment, it will be on the air, because it must be considered by the House as a whole. It’ll start in HJC, but once they’ve decided to go for it, the media will have to cover the action.
Even our current corporate media won’t be able to ignore it.
“Politicizing” is making a big deal about a blow job.
punaise @ 122
You guys are sooooo cheesey.
BigMitch @ 158
Anyone one from Penn. should be hammering Specter. The problem is, he’s probably planning on retiring after this term anyways. The Dem’s hate him, the wing nuts hate him. It must be no fun. poor guy.
Specter backs out again.
Big Mitch @158,
These things start in the committees, but by the time this really gets rockin, won’t it have to move to the full congress, and therefore be on CSpan all day, every day?
Maybe I’m getting my hopes up too high.
@159
Yeah, but what I’d put on it would be rated X (hint, it is just another use of his name….only the hour hand would be the balls).
Ooops, sorry. Did I say that?
BigMitch @ 57
Considering the fact that the plunge protection team can jump in at any time to stabilize themarket in a situation like this, I do think you might be right, Mitch.
That doesn’t mean that this economy and the market itself aren’t fundamentally f*ed though. The market was in a precarious place on 10 September 2001. The WTC attacks and the subsequent bailout for the airline industry, coupled with the ratcheting up of a war economy just put everything on hold.
With the problems in the subprime market bleeding off into the regular housing market and foreclosures in some places reaching unprecedented levels, the market may be responding, not only to some intentional manipulation, but to market fundamentals that just can’t be ignored any more.
Screw what that cheerleader, Cavuto says. DOW 14,000 or not, this market and the economy as a whole is in serious trouble. I think that’s another reason Georgie doesn’t want the war to end…the recession that’s headed our way when this economy cools down is not pretty. I hope Bernanke can handle it. Indications are he’s more concerned with the fate of the country than other GOP people so I’ve got my fingers crossed.
From AP:
Moronic.
Badwater @ 154
nattering nabob of negativism vs. slithering slob of exceptionalism
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 146
I meant back then we could “trust them” a hell of a lot more than we could ever dream of now.
BigMitch @ 162
I didn’t mean your personal response, I meant what would the military’s institutional response have been? Were you there for the arguement in the last thread about what the military would do if W declared martial law?
realworld @ 166
And he has health issues, I believe.
brokenarrow @ 161
I once had a double-yellow headed parrot. Let me tell you, they don’t say what you want them to.
jim o’connor @ 160
Yea, it wouldn’t tell you the time…you don’t need to know.
BigMitch @ 149
That makes me wonder what it must be like in the ranks right now. With all we’re out here worried about. And with the recent polling on the military.
TheOtherWA @ 153
Failures made in The War On Terror..TWOT for short. I guess it sounds funnier said than read.
eCAHNomics @ 175
What was the consensus?
punaise @ 172
You sound like an “effete intellectual snob.” We have Bill Safire to thank for these.
BigMitch @ 175
Specter just whimped out again. Announced that he didn’t agree with appt of SP for AGAG.
Health issue is cancer, which seems to be OK now. Still, it was a shock to log onto his website yesterday and see his pic with a full head of hair.
eCAHNomics @ 167
and in other news, the sun rose in the east this morning.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 18
I say roast it in a pit, or on a spit.
pulled pork sandwich
it’d take plenty of spicey sauce, & still might not be enough. *blergh*
mauimom @ 174
that is more than true!
August recess: Preemptive Pardons for all..
BigMitch @ 181
effete; don’t flail me now.
tbsa @ 180
The consensus was that I’m a jerk for questioning that the honorable military might do anything other than refuse to obey the order. Christie really reamed me out.
specter has yet again announced the path of the magic bullet
punaise @ 183
Inconsistency is his middle name, to use a lame phrase.
Spector! what a tool!
but, not unexpected…
Yes, happy birthday, Jane.
eCAHNomics @ 174
Well, again it is hard to know. They did fire on students at Kent State. My recollection is not reliable, but everyone wanted to see Nixon go, and we were relieved. I think that the usual rule that the military will do anything its commander-in-chief orders would not apply. If he had activated units and ordered them to Washington D.C., probably we would have gone. I really don’t know.
James @ 170
I hope you haven’t forgotten that there was indeed a very significant “correction” after 9/11 and a lot of people lost a lot in their portfolios.
-350
OldCoastie @ 192
Isn’t he with bush somewhere today?
Thx for honest answer BigMitch.
ecah at 188: I was more in line with you on that issue.
It’s interesting to me that Specter is complaining about Feingold and NOT the people who actually wrote the letter today. But that doesn’t meant I’m adjusting my thinking on Specter at all. NEVER!
Anyone watching C-SPAN2? WTF was that about?
-361
Specter is the most craven of moral cowards. He is a non-Kool-Aid drinker who knows better but doesn’t have the moral courage to do what is right beyond an occasional tongue wagging.
I have more respect for the true vipers like Cornyn.
-GSD
Voila:
http://leahy.senate.gov/press/…..veSubpoena
fdl reader @ 199
There is always more to Specter than meets the eye. He is up to something–he didn’t make those remarks about Roberts and Alito and their confirmation promise to honor precedent for nothing.
regarding Rove – is there any jail time associated with Hatch Act violations?
seems like a very simple, straightforward way to go…
jim o’connor @ 198
I certainly wasn’t the only one, but I wasn’t watching carefully who else was dubious. Too busy defending myself.
I really have very little respect for the U.S. military. I admit to having little first hand experience, but that may give me an advantage in my assessment, since I look at what they do, not at what they say (which was my retort to Christie who knows a lot of military & seems to think they walk on water).
Woodhall Hollow @ 64
Thanks for this link! Its an excellent diary.
We must keep in mind that this whole show is a chess game, which can seem really boring to bystanders. The Republicans think they can get away with grandiose gestures, but in the end, it is the careful and steady progress that one should bet on. The Diary on Conyers gives me hope!
Bob in HI
OldCoastie @ 205
Nope.
eCAHNomics @ 168
Oh FGS!?! Any horse experts in PA? Ease a blindfold over his eyes, link hands behind his rump, & shove im in, puleeze.
It’s that simple, w/ an old plug like that’n.
More on Specter from the SJC website:
“WASHINGTON (Thursday, July 26) – Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), in consultation with Ranking Member Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), issued subpoenas Thursday compelling White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove and Deputy Director White House Political Affairs J. Scott Jennings to provide testimony and related information as part of ongoing congressional investigations into the mass firings of federal prosecutors and politicization of hiring and firing within the Department of Justice. “
eCAHNomics @ 189
Well, for the record, I respectfully disagree with Christy. She might come from a military family, but I was in the military (as were a number of us) and the folks in the Pentagon now are the jerks who were our commanders back in Nam. Or maybe they’re all dead and gone. If there is anyone left like General (former secretary) Powell, then it’s not such a stretch that they’d salute smartly and go out and kill they’re fellow Americans.
I have a lot of respect for Christy, but history doesn’t support her assertion.
Be still my beating heart.
About bloody damn time.
As a person who has voted for, and given campaign contributions to BOTH Dems and Republicans, I have a solid hunch that there are plenty of Independent voters, and even moderate Republicans quietly, silently siding with the Dems’ action on this one.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 18
Ever heard of “long pig”?
-388
- -400
Does anyone besides me look at the current housing market and think “tulips – 1637?”
OldCoastie @ 205
No Jail, worst case is getting fired, and in the end Bush decides the penalty.
brendan @ 214
Tastier if roasted in the well of the House or the Senate. I dunno about the apple, but it’d sure be a nice touch.
realworld @ 218
Bush: Firing is excessive.
Imavehmontah @ 110
I share the concern in your statement above. I know several people who have either served in Iraq or are there now, and some of them I know for a fact would not hesitate to follow whatever the orders of the CIC.
Argh. Strained my neck watching the Dow plummet past 400.
-GSD
As we see the pieces of the puzzle fall into place, it has become obvious that we are confronting a concerted and sustained conspiracy to obstruct justice. That for starters. Only thing missing are the indictments and the trial. With suspect behavior in the halls of justice and congress as well as the white house, where does one turn?
cynic @ 211
I have an army major efriend (works in Pentagon) who was introduced to me by a friend of mine. She said that we should get along because he hates this war. We’ve been corresponding for about 2 years, and I find his info useless, by in large. One minor illustration: at one point he was one of Rummy’s gofers. So when Rummy got booted I emailed him that Rummy was off to write his memoirs and he toldme that Rummy would never write his memoirs. A few months later, Rummy’s shopping them. So how could I trust his judgement on anything?
Whenever I say anything generically negative about the military, he sulks for weeks before he resumes the communication. He’s in the army to do good, and is blind to the record that the reverse is more often the case.
Here’s what you need to know about Nixon/Watergate. At the 2004 Republican National Convention, Schwartzenneger said that the reason he became a Republican was because he admired Nixon. And the crowd cheered. Then they re-nominated Bush.
Somehow my lengthy comment on 221 dropped. In short, resignation came after two special prosecutors, lengthy and very engrossing Senate hearings, House Judiciary Committee hearings and vote to impeach, court procedings regarding executive privilege and the tapes, and a final verification of John Dean by the tapes. There remained, and do today, many Republicans who viewed it all as a put up job to unfairly take out Nixon.
nixon was so whacked out from stress he stumbled into a park in washington full of overnight war protestors wearing his makeup from tv and discussed college football teams with them
That’s how to do it, folks! Stay on the offensive! Whatever transpires with Rove/Miers and the like, and it probably won’t be exactly what should happen, responsible Congresspersons, including Repubs., must start holding the Bushies to account. And I think the traditional republicans are tired of the Bushie’s stance on these things (see Bruce Fein, et al.). And, the Senate Judiciary is going down the line at Justice, forcing those close to the investigations to recuse themselves. There may be a chance they happen to go down the line far enough where someone is not a loyal Bushie and say enough is enough. The Jud. Committee has to try at the very least, and they appear to be doing just that. Go get ‘em!
Anyone that thinks the military would ever refuse an order to turn on the American people is naive. There are those in the military that would refuse but for everyone that refuses another would step up to carry out the orders of their Commander in Chief. Out of loyalty to an ideology or out of careerism there are military professionals willing to do anything.
I see the Dow on google backing off from -400 pretty quick now, already back to -376. People will step in now to scoop up stuff that was stable today … methinks. It’s about the credit problem and the housing market which is not everything but I’m just an informed observer, really … I do believe Bush has screwed the economy don’t get me wrong …
Bluetoe @ 230
DING!
Id rather have a correction that a loony fantasy about the value of the market (see last week).
ha! they finally subpoenaed Jennings, too. He’s the key. Wow. We are moving now folks. Next week ought to be a doozy!
GSD @ 223
Those Bush tax cuts for himself and his friends just keep on working!
BigMitch @ 225
PMA @ 226
The pardon was one of the worst things that happened to this country. It short-circuited the process & allowed the people on the wrong side to continue to believe that they’d been torpeoed for no reason, and that VN war could have been won if we’d only done it a little bit longer & a little bit harder. Lead directly to what’s happening now in DC & Iraq.
fdl reader @ 231
I think you are probably right. My friend, who invests a lot, doesn’t get rattled by it. There are tremendous buying opportunities for some. Fun to watch though.
My recollection of Nixon impeachment:
A series of dam breaks, or a “domino effect” such that the first big break in the Nixon wall led to the next big break, etc., coming upon each other faster and faster until the conclusion was obvious.
How about chitlins?
Bluetoe @ 229
I believe that was my exact word, which is what provoked Christie’s rant. You’re never around when I need you.
The plutocrats can’t wait to snap-up alot of the properties that are going into default.
Another transfer of wealth upwards.
Heckuva job.
-GSD
Per Raw Story, Les Kinsolving has quit the White House beat due to censorship.
Here.
tbsa @ 232
That’s indicative in the viewpoint that the military holds: us vs. civilians. I am tired of 4th of Julys being about the military and the police. It is time to rid this great country of those culutural mores, and it is time to propose an amendment to shrink the standing army of the US to the Air Force, Navy Battleships and the Special Forces. And if there is war to be declared, then a draft must be implemented to garner the necessary troop levels to accomplish that. Standing Army, celebration of military =/= the United States.
Brisingamen @ 217
Or Michael Flynn’s article, several years back in Analog (Locus says April and May 1988 – didn’t think it was that long ago!), on historical cycles, predicting that we’d be in for a rough ride for a decade or three, from about 2000 on. It was pretty ‘out there’ then, but now I’m wondering how bad it’s going to be.
I am posting something included at TPM with a question: Eric says
“Rove cannot appear because there are too many questions they can ask him related to the Fitzgerald/Plame Grand Jury appearances for which any privilege has been waived. Once those questions get asked, he has to answer truthfully because Fitzgerld can be called and asked if Rove testified truthfully. If not, perjury. If he answers truthfully, I think he will have to admit to some fairly “bad” actions (though not at the Libby level or he would have been indicted).
This is all about (or should be about) creating the most compelling public narrative for explaining the fight over contempt. It is no longer about getting specific answers to important questions, but reestablishing the proper constitutional balance between and among the three branches of government. Rove is (the) one that has sought to overthrow meaningful congressional oversight.
That general message is too esoteric to put on a bumper sticker in repsonse to the “president must have candid advice”, “we have provided tons of documents”, “just partisan wrangling.”
The response has to paint the larger picture of rogue indiviudals that have run rough shod over our most cherished consitutional principles. They are not Republcians (though they serve a Republican administration and have that party affiliation). They are usurpers; they are making themselves unaccountable in a way that would frighten George Washington, who gave up a third term because it was too much power, would frighten Madison and Jefferson because it would crash the balance necessary for a working democracy and it would frighten Lincoln who in the darkest days of the Civil War never sought to bar Congress from knowing the workings of the government of which it is an integral part.
For too long, Democrats have never understood that narrative matters. In part, they have not wanted to offend the dominant insider narratives, but with the Post wandering so far off the reservation, there is an opportunity to recast a “washington consensus.” YOu see this happening with Reid’s letter.
eric
Posted by: eric
Date: July 26, 2007 1:22 PM”
Does this make sense to you all? Is Rove’s privilege waived?
Balrog @ 241
Thanks for bringing that up. Saw it & meant to say,why don’t they all quit? You can make up the Snowjob of the day without showing up.
Oh the pull of rubbing shoulders with the powerful is strong.
Balrog @ 242
It goes in fits and starts, but the slow stepping away from Bush continues. Kinsolving and World Nut Daily are wingnutters of the highest order.
-GSD
eCAHNomics @ 156
I was in Germany working at a hospital; I was on call so one of the doctors brot out the TV from the doctors lounge and we watched it in ER. I don’t remember being too concerned about anyone ordering US to do “some crazy shit”, but we were in Europe, plus we were a hospital unit.
Now, if I had been still stationed at Ft. Campbell – I would’ve been.
The military does not walk on water. I’ve been in the military and have had PLENTY of firsthand experience dealing with pricks & smucks. I filed sexual harassment charges against my NCOIC in 1975, and got the other women assigned to that clinic – stuck in a grunt unit in the middle of Deutschland for a time – to sign on. It was a wake up call.
Get Tough,
Read The New American Militarism by Andrew Bacevich.
He addresses these issues head on.
-GSD
So I know I’m EPU’d but while this was inspiring, remember what followed.
I worry.
Well my attempt to include an img failed. Here is the link
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GSD @ 249
Thanks, GSD, will do. I love to read, but hate looking for good things to read. It is a pleasure to get good book tips from knowledgable people such as yourself.
GSD @ 248
It’s new? Read Overthrow—America’s Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq by Steven Kinzer.
Tithonia @ 131
Actually, they changed it back and forth a few times, so both spellings are technically correct…
Get Tough @ 243
Actually, I’ve been gratified by the degree to which the military has often seemed more cognizant of the constitution than the civilian leadership. The military JAG’s, Commandar Swift, all of the former high ranking military leaders who endorsed John Kerry, and almost every general who said what they thought as soon as they retired have been almost heroic in their stands. Anyone who has served in the military knows the limitations on mouthing off about the chain of command when your on active duty. It couldn’t be otherwise.
GSD @ 241
I totally agree. All that equity that was sitting in houses probably drove the sharks crazy. They have sucked that equity out in the form of health care corruption, mortgage corruption, etc. The only thing that will be left at the end of this administration is a lot of scared poorer citizens. And a hollow democracy.
eCAHNomics @ 253
That sounds good, too!
Get Tough @ 252
Was it Andrew Bavevich who recently lost his son?
I’ve gotten so many good read and good music referrals. Found Mavis Staples here!
“Congress is out of control.” This isn’t a case of projection now is it…NO, not at all.
realworld @ 251
Midtown Manhattan during the R convention was like Baghdad (in 04, not now) without the tanks & IEDs. Yet no one but me seemed to find it creepy, or worse.
eyes of the world @ 254
Nice work, Eyes, you are correct.
OT – Jim Webb is presiding in the Senate at the moment [C-Span-2]. OTOH, Lamar Alexander (R-TN) is speaking.
Jim looks “cute,” with his red, red hair and his reading glasses. Like an earnest [and intelligent] schoolboy.
The White House is on the ropes. There comment that “Congress is out of control” demonstrates that they are beginning to flail about wildly. It’s time for Congress to now land the final K.O. blow. The ring is going to be strewn with Republican criminals, liars, sycophants, enablers and wannabees.
PMA @ 255
Yes, you’re partly right. But when the generals start talking like politicians, it concerns me because they are not politicians nor civilians in their eyes, and when they do it smacks of a military that is ready to lead. And the only way a military leads is thru a coup. The standing army should be reduced dramitically–Air Force strikes, Battleships in Gulfs, and Special Forces units, together with the CIA, NSA and the UN is more than enough to “police” the world. Hundreds of thousands of troops pulling down salaries and benefits have to be put to work, especially in the eyes of BushCo and their progeny. Could you imagine Bushies who own factories letting their workers sit around all day and practice producing goods for consumption?
Bluetoe @ 263
I think the ones that get flushed out are Republican in name only. The ones who will shake out and be the main culprets are Bushies–they are their own political party.
Wordsmith,
Yes. Bacevich was a Colonel I think. Fought in Vietnam. His perspective is very interesting.
But he thinks that the US has become the imperial power that the founders warned against mightily because of the risk imperialism and militarism pose to democracy.
Somewhere in the efforts to recover from the stains of Vietnam the military went overboard and the Republican Party and the Democratic Party have diefied the military beyond all sense and reason.
We know quite a few other countries in history that have done the same. We know what happened to them.
-GSD
I recommend it for everyone. It is a great tool to use for those who are very pro-military because he is a military man.
His son was recently killed in Iraq, and yes he was agains the war from the beginning.
Steve-AR @ 20
And the administration keeps throwing wretches back. Dyslexia has its moments.
- 430
Bluetoe @ 263
There was a good comment above about “white hats” and “black hats,” and how the Ds have got the WH firmly in the black hat category now that their contempt is overt. It’s an important step in the process. Has changed the frame.
BTW, anyone still left on this thread who knows how to do a search, either for the name of a commenter or a word or phrase within the comment?
Arnie @ 267
You bet. And if Congress’ poll numbers are down, then they have no where to go but up! And the best way for that to happen is a full assualt on the Bushies and their policies. ATTACK!! (Channeled TREX there a second).
BTW, anyone still left on this thread who knows how to do a search, either for the name of a commenter or a word or phrase within the comment?
ctrl F – regular search works for me…
eCAHNomics @ 269
Up at the top, ‘edit’ – use ‘Find on this page’ or something. That’s what I use.
eCAHNomics, try hitting buttons CTRL and F to open up a search window.
Oooo….Ctrl F works better!
I couldn’t agree with you more. One of my emails to my army major efriend called the military a necessary evil. He inquired back whether I meant like a proctologist. I said no, a protologist is not doing evil, only doing a test to see whether there’s a problem. The military’s job is to do evil (kill). Sometimes, unfortunately, that’s necessary.
How could anyone deify such evil? Any yet we do. Testosterone poisoning?
GT @ 264:
In the absence of the cold war, you’re probably right. On the other hand, I doubt we would still be in Iraq or that there would even be “Young Republicans” if there were a draft.
My only point is, as long as we have a professional military of any size, the degree to which we can ensure that it is not alienated from the public will be a benifit to democracy.
Any bets as to the final numbers on the stock market for the day?
-GSD
On cspan3, Jackson Lee questioning about meeting of Abu at hospital…
Balrog @ 261
I don’t know much about law and politics, but I’m a longtime student of psychedelia and all things related to the Grateful Dead. So glad I could provide “useful” information here for a change… :-)
-366 … those were the stragglers shouting “-400″ bail! bail! bail! maybe they’re done now … :-p
leslie @ 145
And you know who reported that Bush used Al Qaida 95 times? CNN!!! It’s working!! It’s working!!
queenies daughter @ 271
@ 274
Perfect. Here’s the earlier comment I was referring to
GSD @ 277
-365, but numbers still coming in.
GSD @ 277
The Chief Portfolio Strategist at Goldman Sachs 20 years ago used to do this for a nickel bet.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 18
And then sneak it into the White House kitchen on Thanksgiving?
This from a Kerry email I just got. Do you like the framing? The idea?
“With the problems in the subprime market bleeding off into the regular housing market and foreclosures in some places reaching unprecedented levels, the market may be responding, not only to some intentional manipulation, but to market fundamentals that just can’t be ignored any more.”
That’s just the tip of the iceberg. The frightening amount of mispriced derivatives is what is and will further take us to economic hell.
ellwort @ 285
I’ll help…
You guys are deep into EPU land…*g*
Biodun @ 289
All the best folks hangin’ out here. Education is important, but I don’t feel passionately about it right now.
A’57 @ 287
Economically ignorant here — what are derivatives?
Biodun @ 288
yeah but we like it down here..
;-)
New Jane two flights upstairs
Brisingamen @ 291
He he. You brought it up A’57, so you explain it. I’ll kibitz.
eCAHNomics @ 286
Go after their media strength too. Love the idea.
Much as I like the water here, I think I’ll join the new thread. Whew. Just in time to escape the “derivatives” seminar.
Michael Moore, Chris Matthews and “Buckraking”
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…../#comments
eCAHNomics @ 294
“Derivatives are financial instruments whose price and value derive from the value of assets underlying them”[1]. Examples of the assets which can be referenced by a derivatives contract are diverse and may be anything from bars of gold (commodity derivatives), to stocks (equity derivatives), interest rates (interest rate derivatives), currency exchange rates (currency derivatives), credit risk of third party obligors (credit derivatives) and even the weather (weather derivatives).”
mauimom @ 262
Speaking of cute, so’s the guy who did the BackTalk Youtube thingy that Christy posted. Tell it, baby!
Jim Webb is a rock star! I just wrote an email all the way from here in Calif. to tell him we notice a strong voice for truth.
eCAHNomics @ 286
I cannot believe these roadblock republicans (like that term) can call themselves americans when they thumb their noses at their own voters/supporters and put party over American lives. Good God.
Attorneygate is bad enough, but THIS is Bush’s worst nightmare:
U.S. COURT OF APPEALS 9TH CIRCUIT DOCKET NO. 06-15017
IN THE UNITED STATED COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
CHARLES AUGUST SCHLUND, III
Plaintiff/Appellant/Petitioner
vs.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
OF AMERICA, A SOVERIGN NATION; GEORGE W. BUSH,
AN INDIVIDUAL,
Defendant/Appellee/Respondent
Steve Cohen on cspan 3 just asked FBI Dir. Mueller:
Was Comey’s testmony correct about his desire/intent to resign over abus rush to hopsital/secrect program.
Mueller said: he didnt want to relate a private conversation
Cohen said: well, don’t do that, but tell us, was that your thinking?
Mueller declines to answer that.
Thaaat’s right.
Congress IS out of control. :o)
It got out of your control last November. :o)
That was the “plan” Karl. (How not to put quotes around “plan”, these days? The poor word has been bungholed until it’s crosseyed!)
BTW, “out of control” is not a good phrase for you guys to be tossing around, what with your using the U.S. Constitution for ass-scoot material. Also, your little petro-adventure in Iraq sure looks out of control to a majority of american voters.
See you at the 2008 elections, where it’s REALLY going to get “out of control”. :o)
@ 258
Yes, Bacevich did lose his son a few months ago. A couple weeks before Memorial Day.
Already posted?
AP reporting FBI’s Mueller has come out contradicting Gonzales testimony on the hospital visit to Ashcroft.
cynic @ 212
The method the military uses to get compliance out of their troops is to NEVER place anyone in their OWN HOME district, whatever happens is therefor against STRANGERS, not friends and KIN where there would be moral resistance to orders – orders get obeyed and mission accomplished. Contrary to Christy’s opinion, the military are trained to take life as ordered and are the nation’s THUGS enjoying the cloak of respectibility, no more, no less. Don’t be succered into believing anything other – sorry Christy, we shall disagree here as to “honourable professionals”.
I hope Joe Wilson gets his wish: Miss Piggy being frogmarched.
Let there be some justice!
I just want to know if Rove ever fucked Monica Lewinsky.
Arnie @ 305
Christy is naive on this one. The Chinese had no problems in firing on their own citizens in Tianemen Square. The military regardless of country are trained to obey orders. Why she thinks the American military is any different is perplexing. Perhaps she is a believer in American “exceptionalism”. The National Guard had no hesitation when they were ordered to fire on unarmed students exercising their constitutional right of assembly and freedom of speech at Kent State. If ordered there are people in the U.S. armed forces that would obey orders to turn their weapons on their fellow citizens.
cartoon flashback